Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? 

Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “the greatest TED talk of all time.” He’s written about being Black in America, he’s got a podcast about community involvement called How to Citizen, and he’s got a PBS television show that explores the beauty and diversity of America. 

There’s a duality running through all of this work, and in Baratunde’s personal life: mourning and celebration. From the early death of a parent, to men’s emotional health, to violence against Black men and boys, to the healing power of play and community, this week’s episode is a fascinating discussion of both grief and celebration - and why you don’t get one without the other. 



In this episode we cover: 
Baratunde says he’s “wired for optimism” - which makes identifying his own grief… complicated
How you can lose a parent at a young age and not recognize the impact until you’re an adult
Why seeing other people be good parents can bring up grief
Black joy and men’s community (plus the hashtag #BlackMenFrolicking)
Why is it hard to play as an adult - and find other adults to play with? 





We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.



Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.



About our guest:

Baratunde Thurston is an Emmy-nominated, multi-platform storyteller and producer operating at the intersection of race, tech, democracy, and climate. He is the host of the PBS television series America Outdoors with Baratunde Thurston, creator and host of How To Citizen with Baratunde, and a founding partner of the new media startup Puck. His comedic memoir, How To Be Black, is a New York Times best-seller. Baratunde serves on the boards of BUILD.org and the Brooklyn Public Library. 



Find him at baratunde.com and follow him on social media @baratunde



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief



Additional resources:

Read Baratunde’s book - How to be Black

Baratunde’s TED talk How to Deconstruct Racism, One Headline at a Time
‘America is addicted to watching me die…’ - Baratunde’s Puck article "Thoughts & Tears For Tyre"

Baratunde mentioned Valarie Kaur - get her book, See No Stranger, and listen to her episode on It’s OK that You’re Not OK



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You're Not OK andHow to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed



Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? 
Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “<a href="https://www.baratunde.com/livingwhileblack">the greatest TED talk of all time</a>.” He’s written about being <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/howtobeblack">Black in America</a>, he’s got a podcast about community involvement called <a href="https://www.howtocitizen.com/">How to Citizen</a>, and he’s got a <a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/america-outdoors-baratunde-thurston/#:~:text=About%20the%20Show,%C2%AE%2Dnominated%20host%20Baratunde%20Thurston.">PBS television show</a> that explores the beauty and diversity of America. 
There’s a duality running through all of this work, and in Baratunde’s personal life: mourning and celebration. From the early death of a parent, to men’s emotional health, to violence against Black men and boys, to the healing power of play and community, this week’s episode is a fascinating discussion of both grief and celebration - and why you don’t get one without the other. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Baratunde says he’s “wired for optimism” - which makes identifying his own grief… complicated</li>
<li aria-level="1">How you can lose a parent at a young age and not recognize the impact until you’re an adult</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why seeing other people be good parents can bring up grief</li>
<li aria-level="1">Black joy and men’s community (plus the hashtag <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/tag/blackmenfrolicking">#BlackMenFrolicking</a>)</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why is it hard to play as an adult - and find other adults to play with? </li>
</ul>
 
We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
About our guest:
Baratunde Thurston is an Emmy-nominated, multi-platform storyteller and producer operating at the intersection of race, tech, democracy, and climate. He is the host of the PBS television series <a href="https://www.pbs.org/about/about-pbs/blogs/news/america-outdoors-with-baratunde-thurston-premieres-july-5-2022-on-pbs/">America Outdoors with Baratunde Thurston</a>, creator and host of <a href="https://baratunde.com/howtocitizen">How To Citizen with Baratunde</a>, and a founding partner of the new media startup <a href="http://puck.news/author/baratunde-thurston/">Puck</a>. His comedic memoir, <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/howtobeblack">How To Be Black</a>, is a New York Times best-seller. Baratunde serves on the boards of <a href="http://build.org/">BUILD.org</a> and the <a href="http://bklynlibrary.org/">Brooklyn Public Library</a>. 
 
Find him at <a href="https://www.baratunde.com/">baratunde.com</a> and follow him on social media @baratunde
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
 
Additional resources:
Read Baratunde’s book - <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780062003225">How to be Black</a> 
Baratunde’s TED talk <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZgkjEdMbSw">How to Deconstruct Racism, One Headline at a Time</a>  ‘America is addicted to watching me die…’ - <a href="https://puck.news/thoughts-tears-for-tyre/?utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=linktree&amp;utm_campaign=thoughts+%26+tears+for+tyre+%28puck%29">Baratunde’s Puck article "Thoughts &amp; Tears For Tyre"</a> 
Baratunde mentioned Valarie Kaur - get her book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780525509110">See No Stranger</a>, and <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-valarie-kaur-see-no-stranger/id1595914505?i=1000633054280">listen to her episode on It’s OK that You’re Not OK</a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
 
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Collective Grief and Communal Joy: with Baratunde Thurston

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/d7a6b62b-87b2-47d6-84e1-b0fc0015629c/transcript

Advertisement