Dana El Kurd talks about the recent declarations by France, the UK, Canada, and others to recognize Palestine as a state. She discusses what this means, how these declarations are not tied to Palestinians exercising sovereignty, and what Palestinians actually want.

Sources:

Noura Erekat and Shahd Hammouri in Jadaliyya - https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/46838

Paul Poast in World Politics Review - https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/palestine-state-recognition-france/

NPR report - https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5485359/france-uk-palestine-state-explainer

European Society of International Law on occupation - https://esil-sedi.eu/prolonged-occupation-or-illegal-occupant/#:~:text=The%20occupying%20power%2C%20throughout%20the,consistent%20with%20its%20trustee%20responsibilities.

Daniel Kurtzer on the Oslo Accords - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/20/magazine/israel-gaza-oslo-accords.html

Hanan Ashrawi on the Oslo Accords - https://www.972mag.com/hanan-ashrawi-oslo-accords/

Polling of Palestinians May 2025 - https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf

Dana El Kurd and Pablo Abufom for The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president

Tanja Aalberts on sovereignty - Constructing Sovereignty between Politics and Law - 1st Edition - Tanj

Jared Kushner “Peace to Prosperity” plan - trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

Dana El Kurd talks about the recent declarations by France, the UK, Canada, and others to recognize Palestine as a state. She discusses what this means, how these declarations are not tied to Palestinians exercising sovereignty, and what Palestinians actually want.
Sources:
Noura Erekat and Shahd Hammouri in Jadaliyya - <a href="https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/46838">https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/46838</a>
Paul Poast in World Politics Review - <a href="https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/palestine-state-recognition-france/">https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/palestine-state-recognition-france/</a>
NPR report - <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5485359/france-uk-palestine-state-explainer">https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5485359/france-uk-palestine-state-explainer</a>
European Society of International Law on occupation - <a href="https://esil-sedi.eu/prolonged-occupation-or-illegal-occupant/#:~:text=The%20occupying%20power%2C%20throughout%20the,consistent%20with%20its%20trustee%20responsibilities">https://esil-sedi.eu/prolonged-occupation-or-illegal-occupant/#:~:text=The%20occupying%20power%2C%20throughout%20the,consistent%20with%20its%20trustee%20responsibilities</a>.
Daniel Kurtzer on the Oslo Accords - <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/20/magazine/israel-gaza-oslo-accords.html">https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/20/magazine/israel-gaza-oslo-accords.html</a>
Hanan Ashrawi on the Oslo Accords - <a href="https://www.972mag.com/hanan-ashrawi-oslo-accords/">https://www.972mag.com/hanan-ashrawi-oslo-accords/</a>
Polling of Palestinians May 2025 - <a href="https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf">https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf</a>
Dana El Kurd and Pablo Abufom for The Guardian - <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president</a>
Tanja Aalberts on sovereignty - <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Constructing-Sovereignty-between-Politics-and-Law/Aalberts/p/book/9781138025417#:~:text=This%2520book%2520explores%2520the%2520interplay,institution%2520in%2520contemporary%2520international%2520politics.">Constructing Sovereignty between Politics and Law - 1st Edition - Tanj</a>
Jared Kushner &ldquo;Peace to Prosperity&rdquo; plan - <a href="https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf">trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf</a>

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Recognizing Palestine as a State: Meaningful Farce feat. Dana El Kurd

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