Guest host Dana El Kurd, Palestinian researcher and writer, provides an overview of Palestinian politics, explains the legitimacy crisis within Palestinian politics, and outlines the impact international actors have had on Palestinian leadership and strategy. She highlights how these issues affect ending the war on Gaza, and the future of Palestine more broadly.  

Sources:

Raz Segal on genocide - https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

Omer Bartov on genocide – https://www.democracynow.org/2024/12/30/omer_bartov_israel_gaza_genocide

Amos Goldberg on genocide - https://thefirethesetimes.com/2025/05/25/intent-holocaust-studies-and-the-gaza-genocide-w-amos-goldberg/

Khaled Elgindy on Biden’s “bear hug” - https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/10/10/biden-israel-hamas-war-gaza-us-policy/

Bezalel Smotrich on population transfer - https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-totally-destroyed-population-concentrated-in-small-area/

Nissim Vaturi on population transfer - https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-mks-at-far-right-rally-call-to-empty-gaza-of-gazans/

Arab Peace Initiative - https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=a5dab26d-a2fe-dc66-8910-a13730828279&groupId=268421

Arab Center Washington – “The Biden Administration and the Middle East in 2023” - https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-biden-administration-and-the-middle-east-in-2023/

Mike Huckabee on Palestinians - https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/mike-huckabee-palestinian-comments-trump-israel-ambassador

Steve Witkoff making deals with Hamas - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-witkoffs-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-must-lead-end-war-2025-05-31/

Adam Boehler “we are not an agent of Israel” - https://www.axios.com/2025/03/09/adam-boehler-hamas-israel-talks

Philippe Lazzarini on Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-commissioner-general-gaza-aid-distribution-has-become-death-trap

Doctors without Borders on Gaza Humanitarian Foundation -  https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/siege-gaza-msf-denounces-new-aid-mechanism-proposed-us-and-israel

Jake Woods, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, resigns - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/26/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-aid-group-jake-wood-resigns

Saudi Minister on Two-State Solution - https://www.mofa.gov.sa/en/ministry/news/Pages/His-Highness-the-Foreign-Minister-A-Two-State-Solution-is-the-Only-Path-to-Achieving-a-Just-and-Lasting-Peace-in-the-Regio.aspx

France & Saudi sponsor peace conference - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-855969

Qatari foreign minister on Saudi sponsored peace conference - https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250613-qatar-france-fms-underscore-importance-of-upcoming-un-two-state-solution-conference-as-real-opportunity-for-peace/

The Oslo Accords and the Palestinian Authority background - https://www.palquest.org/en/highlight/31121/x-oslo-process-and-establishment-palestinian-authority

Yitzhak Rabin’s final address to the Knesset - https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin%E2%80%99s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

Mapping Palestinian Politics – European Council on Foreign Relations - https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/plo/

“Abbas is America’s Man” - https://jewishcurrents.org/abbas-is-americas-man

Tariq Dana – “Lost in Transition: The Palestinian National Movement After Oslo” - https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/from-the-river-to-the-sea-9781978752658/

Wendy Pearlman – “Violence, Nonviolence, and the Palestinian National Movement” - https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/violence-nonviolence-and-the-palestinian-national-movement/0F8D188C7D514D49F68D827066E0FABD

BDS call - https://bdsmovement.net/pacbi/pacbi-call

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research – September 2023 poll - https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2089%20English%20Full%20Text%20September%202023.pdf

Interview with Ukrainian outlet “Commons” - https://commons.com.ua/en/intervyu-z-danoyu-el-kurd/

Protests against Hamas – July 2023 - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/07/30/thousands-of-marchers-in-gaza-in-rare-public-display-of-discontent-with-hamas_6073136_4.html

Protests against Hamas - https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/middleeast/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-intl-latam

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research – May 2025 poll - https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf

Changes in PLO structure and new Vice President role - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president

Polling on Hussein Al-Sheikh - https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2092%20English%20full%20text%20July2024.pdf

Palestinian National Conference - https://ncpalestine.org/

A Land for All - https://www.2s1h.org/en

Israeli backed gangs in Gaza - https://zeteo.com/p/who-is-abu-shabab-meet-the-gaza-gangster

Guest host Dana El Kurd, Palestinian researcher and writer, provides an overview of Palestinian politics, explains the legitimacy crisis within Palestinian politics, and outlines the impact international actors have had on Palestinian leadership and strategy. She highlights how these issues affect ending the war on Gaza, and the future of Palestine more broadly. &nbsp;
Sources:
Raz Segal on genocide - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide">https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide</a>
Omer Bartov on genocide &ndash; <a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2024/12/30/omer_bartov_israel_gaza_genocide">https://www.democracynow.org/2024/12/30/omer_bartov_israel_gaza_genocide</a>
Amos Goldberg on genocide - <a href="https://thefirethesetimes.com/2025/05/25/intent-holocaust-studies-and-the-gaza-genocide-w-amos-goldberg/">https://thefirethesetimes.com/2025/05/25/intent-holocaust-studies-and-the-gaza-genocide-w-amos-goldberg/</a>
Khaled Elgindy on Biden&rsquo;s &ldquo;bear hug&rdquo; - <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/10/10/biden-israel-hamas-war-gaza-us-policy/">https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/10/10/biden-israel-hamas-war-gaza-us-policy/</a>
Bezalel Smotrich on population transfer - <a href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-totally-destroyed-population-concentrated-in-small-area/">https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-totally-destroyed-population-concentrated-in-small-area/</a>
Nissim Vaturi on population transfer - <a href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-mks-at-far-right-rally-call-to-empty-gaza-of-gazans/">https://www.timesofisrael.com/occupy-expel-settle-minister-mks-at-far-right-rally-call-to-empty-gaza-of-gazans/</a>
Arab Peace Initiative - <a href="https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=a5dab26d-a2fe-dc66-8910-a13730828279&amp;groupId=268421">https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=a5dab26d-a2fe-dc66-8910-a13730828279&amp;groupId=268421</a>
Arab Center Washington &ndash; &ldquo;The Biden Administration and the Middle East in 2023&rdquo; - <a href="https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-biden-administration-and-the-middle-east-in-2023/">https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-biden-administration-and-the-middle-east-in-2023/</a>
Mike Huckabee on Palestinians - <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/mike-huckabee-palestinian-comments-trump-israel-ambassador">https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/mike-huckabee-palestinian-comments-trump-israel-ambassador</a>
Steve Witkoff making deals with Hamas - <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-witkoffs-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-must-lead-end-war-2025-05-31/">https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-witkoffs-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-must-lead-end-war-2025-05-31/</a>
Adam Boehler &ldquo;we are not an agent of Israel&rdquo; - <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/03/09/adam-boehler-hamas-israel-talks">https://www.axios.com/2025/03/09/adam-boehler-hamas-israel-talks</a>
Philippe Lazzarini on Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - <a href="https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-commissioner-general-gaza-aid-distribution-has-become-death-trap">https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-commissioner-general-gaza-aid-distribution-has-become-death-trap</a>
Doctors without Borders on Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - &nbsp;<a href="https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/siege-gaza-msf-denounces-new-aid-mechanism-proposed-us-and-israel">https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/siege-gaza-msf-denounces-new-aid-mechanism-proposed-us-and-israel</a>
Jake Woods, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, resigns - <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/26/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-aid-group-jake-wood-resigns">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/26/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-aid-group-jake-wood-resigns</a>
Saudi Minister on Two-State Solution - <a href="https://www.mofa.gov.sa/en/ministry/news/Pages/His-Highness-the-Foreign-Minister-A-Two-State-Solution-is-the-Only-Path-to-Achieving-a-Just-and-Lasting-Peace-in-the-Regio.aspx">https://www.mofa.gov.sa/en/ministry/news/Pages/His-Highness-the-Foreign-Minister-A-Two-State-Solution-is-the-Only-Path-to-Achieving-a-Just-and-Lasting-Peace-in-the-Regio.aspx</a>
France &amp; Saudi sponsor peace conference - <a href="https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-855969">https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-855969</a>
Qatari foreign minister on Saudi sponsored peace conference - <a href="https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250613-qatar-france-fms-underscore-importance-of-upcoming-un-two-state-solution-conference-as-real-opportunity-for-peace/">https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250613-qatar-france-fms-underscore-importance-of-upcoming-un-two-state-solution-conference-as-real-opportunity-for-peace/</a>
The Oslo Accords and the Palestinian Authority background - <a href="https://www.palquest.org/en/highlight/31121/x-oslo-process-and-establishment-palestinian-authority">https://www.palquest.org/en/highlight/31121/x-oslo-process-and-establishment-palestinian-authority</a>
Yitzhak Rabin&rsquo;s final address to the Knesset - <a href="https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin%E2%80%99s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement">https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin%E2%80%99s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement</a>
Mapping Palestinian Politics &ndash; European Council on Foreign Relations - <a href="https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/plo/">https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/plo/</a>
&ldquo;Abbas is America&rsquo;s Man&rdquo; - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/abbas-is-americas-man">https://jewishcurrents.org/abbas-is-americas-man</a>
Tariq Dana &ndash; &ldquo;Lost in Transition: The Palestinian National Movement After Oslo&rdquo; - <a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/from-the-river-to-the-sea-9781978752658/">https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/from-the-river-to-the-sea-9781978752658/</a>
Wendy Pearlman &ndash; &ldquo;Violence, Nonviolence, and the Palestinian National Movement&rdquo; - <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/violence-nonviolence-and-the-palestinian-national-movement/0F8D188C7D514D49F68D827066E0FABD">https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/violence-nonviolence-and-the-palestinian-national-movement/0F8D188C7D514D49F68D827066E0FABD</a>
BDS call - <a href="https://bdsmovement.net/pacbi/pacbi-call">https://bdsmovement.net/pacbi/pacbi-call</a>
Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research &ndash; September 2023 poll - <a href="https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2089%20English%20Full%20Text%20September%202023.pdf">https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2089%20English%20Full%20Text%20September%202023.pdf</a>
Interview with Ukrainian outlet &ldquo;Commons&rdquo; - <a href="https://commons.com.ua/en/intervyu-z-danoyu-el-kurd/">https://commons.com.ua/en/intervyu-z-danoyu-el-kurd/</a>
Protests against Hamas &ndash; July 2023 - <a href="https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/07/30/thousands-of-marchers-in-gaza-in-rare-public-display-of-discontent-with-hamas_6073136_4.html">https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/07/30/thousands-of-marchers-in-gaza-in-rare-public-display-of-discontent-with-hamas_6073136_4.html</a>
Protests against Hamas - <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/middleeast/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-intl-latam">https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/25/middleeast/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-intl-latam</a>
Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research &ndash; May 2025 poll - <a href="https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf">https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf</a>
Changes in PLO structure and new Vice President role - <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president</a>
Polling on Hussein Al-Sheikh - <a href="https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2092%20English%20full%20text%20July2024.pdf">https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2092%20English%20full%20text%20July2024.pdf</a>
Palestinian National Conference - <a href="https://ncpalestine.org/">https://ncpalestine.org/</a>
A Land for All - <a href="https://www.2s1h.org/en">https://www.2s1h.org/en</a>
Israeli backed gangs in Gaza - <a href="https://zeteo.com/p/who-is-abu-shabab-meet-the-gaza-gangster">https://zeteo.com/p/who-is-abu-shabab-meet-the-gaza-gangster</a>

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

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Palestine’s Stolen Future

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