Garrison talks with Cooper Quentin from the Electronic Frontier Foundation about Paragon’s spyware Graphite, how it reads text messages, who is most at risk, and misinformation exaggerating the spyware's known capabilities.

Sources:

https://ssd.eff.org/ 

https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/ 

https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/ 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware


https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its 

https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/


https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf


https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon


https://red-dot.capital/portfolio


https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/07/29/paragon-is-an-nso-competitor-and-an-american-funded-israeli-surveillance-startup-that-hacks-encrypted-apps-like-whatsapp-and-signal/

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware

Garrison talks with Cooper Quentin from the Electronic Frontier Foundation about Paragon&rsquo;s spyware Graphite, how it reads text messages, who is most at risk, and misinformation exaggerating the spyware's known capabilities.
Sources:
<a href="https://ssd.eff.org/">https://ssd.eff.org/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/">https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/">https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware </a>
<a href="https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its">https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/">https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/ </a>
<a href="https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf">https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf </a>
<a href="https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon">https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon </a>
<a href="https://red-dot.capital/portfolio">https://red-dot.capital/portfolio </a>
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<a href="https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that">https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that</a>
<a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware</a>

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