Elevated conversation on crucial issues. Boyd Madison on inside

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former President, Donald Trump continues to feel no need to debate the other GOP candidates for president. So instead of appearing on the next debate stage, which will be at the Ronald Reagan Library in California, the former president will host a campaign event of his own, supporting striking auto workers in Michigan.

former President, Donald Trump continues to feel no need to debate the other GOP candidates for president. So instead of appearing on the next debate stage, which will be at the Ronald Reagan Library in California, the former president will host a campaign event of his own, supporting striking auto workers in Michigan.

So we want to get beyond the headline there and look at uh is this the right move politically for the former president with his lead in the polls? Does he need to participate in debates? And what is this uh particular speech going to mean in Michigan? And is it what the auto workers want as well? Uh helping us break all of that down? Meg Kinard covers national politics for the associated press. Joins us on the line. Meg Welcome back to the show.

So we want to get beyond the headline there and look at uh is this the right move politically for the former president with his lead in the polls? Does he need to participate in debates? And what is this uh particular speech going to mean in Michigan? And is it what the auto workers want as well? Uh helping us break all of that down? Meg Kinard covers national politics for the associated press. Joins us on the line. Meg Welcome back to the show.

Hey there boy, good to be with you. Uh So let's dig into this. Uh obviously another very interesting twist and turn in the uh GOP nomination fight uh that uh the former president will skip the next debate as well. Uh But what are you skipping it for? Not a uh not a prime time sit down interview uh but a conversation, a meeting with the auto workers in Michigan.

Hey there boy, good to be with you. Uh So let's dig into this. Uh obviously another very interesting twist and turn in the uh GOP nomination fight uh that uh the former president will skip the next debate as well. Uh But what are you skipping it for? Not a uh not a prime time sit down interview uh but a conversation, a meeting with the auto workers in Michigan.

Yeah, the former president has long talked about not really taking part in these debates and he's had his own kind of counterprogramming planned for each one so far. Uh We saw him sitting down with Tucker Carlson last month and this month he's going to be heading to Michigan

Yeah, the former president has long talked about not really taking part in these debates and he's had his own kind of counterprogramming planned for each one so far. Uh We saw him sitting down with Tucker Carlson last month and this month he's going to be heading to Michigan

giving uh what's been billed as some sort of a prime time address and also meeting with current and former union members, not just auto workers, also some pipe fitters, electrical workers and all kinds of um, of folks in those industries. And, you know, it hits on a big issue as the strike with the UAW and the big Detroit three is ongoing.

giving uh what's been billed as some sort of a prime time address and also meeting with current and former union members, not just auto workers, also some pipe fitters, electrical workers and all kinds of um, of folks in those industries. And, you know, it hits on a big issue as the strike with the UAW and the big Detroit three is ongoing.

You know, this is a way for the former president to kind of get in on one of the top issues of the day and also perhaps command a little attention, you know, for himself, since he's not going to be on the debate stage in California. Yeah, and always interesting if you go all the way back to 2016, of course, that was part of an important coalition

You know, this is a way for the former president to kind of get in on one of the top issues of the day and also perhaps command a little attention, you know, for himself, since he's not going to be on the debate stage in California. Yeah, and always interesting if you go all the way back to 2016, of course, that was part of an important coalition

for then candidate Donald Trump in his victory over Hillary Clinton. Uh Michigan obviously played an important role in all of that. Is this, uh the former president trying to maybe get a little bit of that mojo back, uh with, uh with those in Michigan uh, how do you expect him to, to kind of lay this out? What does that look like?

for then candidate Donald Trump in his victory over Hillary Clinton. Uh Michigan obviously played an important role in all of that. Is this, uh the former president trying to maybe get a little bit of that mojo back, uh with, uh with those in Michigan uh, how do you expect him to, to kind of lay this out? What does that look like?

It certainly could be. I mean, that's an audience that as you rightly point out, Donald Trump has long sought to align with, it was important for him back in 2016, obviously saw some differences among those so called, you know, Rust Belt States in the 2020 election. And so as he mounts this third bid, that's a coalition of sorts that Donald Trump is definitely hoping that he can continue to appeal

It certainly could be. I mean, that's an audience that as you rightly point out, Donald Trump has long sought to align with, it was important for him back in 2016, obviously saw some differences among those so called, you know, Rust Belt States in the 2020 election. And so as he mounts this third bid, that's a coalition of sorts that Donald Trump is definitely hoping that he can continue to appeal

to, you know, he's kind of portrayed himself as a fighter for the forgotten men and women as he, as he coined that phrase. And so he's, I think seeking to remind voters of, hey, you know, I came and I fought for you back in my first run and I'm here doing it again. We'll see if that message resonates with voters beyond perhaps the folks he's going to be talking to directly in

to, you know, he's kind of portrayed himself as a fighter for the forgotten men and women as he, as he coined that phrase. And so he's, I think seeking to remind voters of, hey, you know, I came and I fought for you back in my first run and I'm here doing it again. We'll see if that message resonates with voters beyond perhaps the folks he's going to be talking to directly in

room next week. But that's certainly an effort that he's aiming to bring forth in this next presidential bid. Yeah. And obviously in the midst of, of a strike, uh the uh auto workers, the, the union presidents uh are also weighing in a little bit on what it means to have the former president showing up. Uh, and, and in terms of what that might mean for those auto workers moving forward.

room next week. But that's certainly an effort that he's aiming to bring forth in this next presidential bid. Yeah. And obviously in the midst of, of a strike, uh the uh auto workers, the, the union presidents uh are also weighing in a little bit on what it means to have the former president showing up. Uh, and, and in terms of what that might mean for those auto workers moving forward.

Yeah, we've heard from some leaders of the union involved Sean Fain, who's the UAW president. He's previously talked about how in his view, a second Trump presidency would be a quote disaster. So he doesn't seem to be in favor of what Donald Trump is doing in this current campaign. And it's been also pointed out to us from some other members of the UAW, you know, their perspective on this, of, you know, Donald Trump really trying to get attention

Yeah, we've heard from some leaders of the union involved Sean Fain, who's the UAW president. He's previously talked about how in his view, a second Trump presidency would be a quote disaster. So he doesn't seem to be in favor of what Donald Trump is doing in this current campaign. And it's been also pointed out to us from some other members of the UAW, you know, their perspective on this, of, you know, Donald Trump really trying to get attention

for himself and potentially divide their membership over this contentious strike issues and what they're arguing with when it comes to the automaker. So there is a bit of not confusion or it's, you know, kind of just a curiosity I think as to exactly what he is aiming to do, given those perspectives that we're hearing from some of the UAW members and leadership. Yeah, it's so interesting. It's almost, he and President Biden almost have the same challenge this, this tight rope

for himself and potentially divide their membership over this contentious strike issues and what they're arguing with when it comes to the automaker. So there is a bit of not confusion or it's, you know, kind of just a curiosity I think as to exactly what he is aiming to do, given those perspectives that we're hearing from some of the UAW members and leadership. Yeah, it's so interesting. It's almost, he and President Biden almost have the same challenge this, this tight rope

trying to walk uh with the auto workers. They want to be seen as defending the little guy and the little gal uh standing up, you know, to the, the big money folks and yet both of them have deep ties. President Biden, of course, has become very close with the president of GM, has lots of uh different ties that go in there that complicate uh that relationship. Uh President Trump, uh former President Trump has the same issues in terms of wanting to represent that he's watching out for the hard working women and men.

trying to walk uh with the auto workers. They want to be seen as defending the little guy and the little gal uh standing up, you know, to the, the big money folks and yet both of them have deep ties. President Biden, of course, has become very close with the president of GM, has lots of uh different ties that go in there that complicate uh that relationship. Uh President Trump, uh former President Trump has the same issues in terms of wanting to represent that he's watching out for the hard working women and men.

And at the same time also has ties to a lot of the, the big money movers and shakers in those industries. Uh How do both of them uh approach that again in the midst of a strike?

And at the same time also has ties to a lot of the, the big money movers and shakers in those industries. Uh How do both of them uh approach that again in the midst of a strike?

It is a very interesting contrast when you look at these two candidates who are currently leading in their nomination contest for both of their parties for next year, kind of having those arrangements and those relationships portraying themselves as fighting for the little guy and on behalf of American workers while also having the corporate relationships that you point out. So it is kind of a bifurcated situation where I think we see a lot of national level politicians

It is a very interesting contrast when you look at these two candidates who are currently leading in their nomination contest for both of their parties for next year, kind of having those arrangements and those relationships portraying themselves as fighting for the little guy and on behalf of American workers while also having the corporate relationships that you point out. So it is kind of a bifurcated situation where I think we see a lot of national level politicians

aiming to make their arguments to the largest possible amount of voters and base of, you know, look, I stand for everyone. I mean, that's an argument that's not unknown to pretty much anybody who's dipped their toe into national politics and presidential politics in particular. But drawing that immediate contrast between between Democratic President Joe Biden and the former president Donald Trump, given their differences on a lot of different issues

aiming to make their arguments to the largest possible amount of voters and base of, you know, look, I stand for everyone. I mean, that's an argument that's not unknown to pretty much anybody who's dipped their toe into national politics and presidential politics in particular. But drawing that immediate contrast between between Democratic President Joe Biden and the former president Donald Trump, given their differences on a lot of different issues

that they have those preexisting relationships and that they're making those appeals to a lot of the same sorts of voters and, and you know, in the workers and also in corporate America, it's very interesting to point out as we head into the primary contest of next year and in the general election. And lastly, the I think the other thing where there are both similarities and differences as it relates to how this impacts the auto workers and the unions in particular.

that they have those preexisting relationships and that they're making those appeals to a lot of the same sorts of voters and, and you know, in the workers and also in corporate America, it's very interesting to point out as we head into the primary contest of next year and in the general election. And lastly, the I think the other thing where there are both similarities and differences as it relates to how this impacts the auto workers and the unions in particular.

And that has to do with all the EV technology, the electric vehicles, what that means for the companies, what that means for jobs and workers, uh what is protected here at home versus what gets sent over to China. Uh Clearly, the former president is saying, look, those jobs are going away to China because of the policies that are going on. Uh President Biden is saying this is the future, this is where we're gonna move. How do you see uh the navigation of again, some si similarities and overlaps but also some pretty stark differences.

And that has to do with all the EV technology, the electric vehicles, what that means for the companies, what that means for jobs and workers, uh what is protected here at home versus what gets sent over to China. Uh Clearly, the former president is saying, look, those jobs are going away to China because of the policies that are going on. Uh President Biden is saying this is the future, this is where we're gonna move. How do you see uh the navigation of again, some si similarities and overlaps but also some pretty stark differences.

Well, certainly, and we saw that from the former president over the weekend during his interview on meet the press talk about his criticisms of the Biden administration's support of evs and other green energy technologies and systems. You know, that's kind of an overall argument that the former president has made against the Biden administration. These are things that hurt the American economy and you make these arguments, but it actually hurts us in other ways. That's something we've heard from a lot of Republicans on the trail. But I'll tell you from

Well, certainly, and we saw that from the former president over the weekend during his interview on meet the press talk about his criticisms of the Biden administration's support of evs and other green energy technologies and systems. You know, that's kind of an overall argument that the former president has made against the Biden administration. These are things that hurt the American economy and you make these arguments, but it actually hurts us in other ways. That's something we've heard from a lot of Republicans on the trail. But I'll tell you from

ground level here in South Carolina where I report and live. That's in contrast to some of the state level Republicans that we've seen here, some of whom are big supporters of Donald Trump's candidacy, but are also big supporters of the EB industry, which is making big strides here in South Carolina and a number of other states because it's good for the local economy. These officials argue. So that's another contrast. I think that we can expect to continue to see as the campaign goes on. And if we do

ground level here in South Carolina where I report and live. That's in contrast to some of the state level Republicans that we've seen here, some of whom are big supporters of Donald Trump's candidacy, but are also big supporters of the EB industry, which is making big strides here in South Carolina and a number of other states because it's good for the local economy. These officials argue. So that's another contrast. I think that we can expect to continue to see as the campaign goes on. And if we do

continue to hear those sorts of arguments coming from former president Trump and other Republicans. Yeah, fascinating stuff. And before I let you go, me, because you are on the ground in South Carolina and it is one of those early states. What else are you hearing on the ground there? Has there been any real shifts? Uh, clearly, uh, we had Nikki Haley have a moment on a debate stage, seem to get a little bump and at least another look, Tim Scott struggled a little bit and, uh, you know, who's who on the hometown front is, uh, getting any traction there?

continue to hear those sorts of arguments coming from former president Trump and other Republicans. Yeah, fascinating stuff. And before I let you go, me, because you are on the ground in South Carolina and it is one of those early states. What else are you hearing on the ground there? Has there been any real shifts? Uh, clearly, uh, we had Nikki Haley have a moment on a debate stage, seem to get a little bump and at least another look, Tim Scott struggled a little bit and, uh, you know, who's who on the hometown front is, uh, getting any traction there?

Senator Scott is certainly hoping to have his own breakout moment in the next GOP debate which we'll see happening next week. Nikki Haley's team is happy with her performance and the one from last month and are hoping for another one. I think we can expect to see a smaller contingent of candidates on the debate stage next week. The RNC hasn't said specifically who's in and who's out and who's made the qualifications, but it stands to reason that perhaps the field will have whittled a little bit in terms of who can meet those markers for donor and polling numbers.

Senator Scott is certainly hoping to have his own breakout moment in the next GOP debate which we'll see happening next week. Nikki Haley's team is happy with her performance and the one from last month and are hoping for another one. I think we can expect to see a smaller contingent of candidates on the debate stage next week. The RNC hasn't said specifically who's in and who's out and who's made the qualifications, but it stands to reason that perhaps the field will have whittled a little bit in terms of who can meet those markers for donor and polling numbers.

So with a smaller conversation space, there'll be more of an opportunity for candidates like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott to get their arguments out to be part of more conversations. And that's definitely what their campaigns are hoping and that's what some of their supporters here in their home state are looking for as well. Fantastic me

So with a smaller conversation space, there'll be more of an opportunity for candidates like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott to get their arguments out to be part of more conversations. And that's definitely what their campaigns are hoping and that's what some of their supporters here in their home state are looking for as well. Fantastic me

covers national politics for the associated press. Always gives us the on the ground perspective there and a great piece uh really breaking that down as it relates to what the former president, what the current president are doing in the, the face of the United Auto Workers strike. And that will continue to be fascinating. Meg Thanks for weighing in today.

covers national politics for the associated press. Always gives us the on the ground perspective there and a great piece uh really breaking that down as it relates to what the former president, what the current president are doing in the, the face of the United Auto Workers strike. And that will continue to be fascinating. Meg Thanks for weighing in today.

Thanks so much. All right. Again, that's uh Meg Kinard from the A P and uh she has a good finger on the pulse out there, uh and can break down those issues in a way that I think makes sense to a lot of those voters in those real crucial early states. All right, we'll step aside for some bottom of the hour news, more inside sources coming up next.

Thanks so much. All right. Again, that's uh Meg Kinard from the A P and uh she has a good finger on the pulse out there, uh and can break down those issues in a way that I think makes sense to a lot of those voters in those real crucial early states. All right, we'll step aside for some bottom of the hour news, more inside sources coming up next.