Today Kevie sits down with Chris Orr for a wide-ranging conversation that spans both sides of rugby league, the playing field and the boardroom.

Chris reflects on his journey as a player, sharing the highs, challenges, and moments that shaped his career, before diving into his evolution into one of the game’s most respected player managers.

He opens up about what inspired the transition, how the role has changed over the years, the realities fans don’t see, and the responsibility that comes with guiding athletes through the biggest decisions of their careers.

With plenty of insight, honesty, and a few great yarns from along the way, this one gives listeners a rare look at rugby league from two very different angles.