Things will get worse before they get better, according to Kevin Ellis, chair and senior partner at PwC UK. He says a UK recession is definitely coming and that some businesses will go under. But he also says that investment may rescue the "good bits of business early enough." Ellis tells David Merritt and Francine Lacqua on this week's episode of In the City that he sees signs the UK economy will come out of a downturn "quite quickly." They also discuss the merits of being in the office at least 3 days a week and why a lot of talent is looking to work outside of London.