Andy catches up with the aptly-named Dr. Larry Brilliant, who has spent his life working to eradicate deadly diseases. They discuss why eradication of COVID is not possible, what a long-term COVID plan should include, what future variants may look like, and what vaccine innovations he wants to see and why. Plus, how Delta is similar to the fictional virus Larry helped dream up for the movie Contagion.

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Here’s more on Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s ban on virtually all vaccine mandates: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/us/texas-governor-covid-vaccine-mandates.html
• Read the article Larry co-wrote called “The Forever Virus”: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2021-06-08/coronavirus-strategy-forever-virus
• Larry advised Seth MacFarlane on the science for this Family Guy vaccine PSA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ0NgeMHOyQ
• Check out the PBS series Larry mentions called “Extra Life”: https://www.pbs.org/show/extra-life-short-history-living-longer/
• Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/ 
• Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165 

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