Andy calls up Dr. Ashish Jha, Dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, who wants to remind everyone that just like the stock market is not the economy, the daily case count is not the pandemic. They discuss the danger of covering COVID like a political horse race, why he appears on Newsmax so frequently, and how he deals with COVID skeptics in his own extended family. Plus, a cold open featuring Ashish’s take on Merck’s antiviral pill. 

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Check out these resources from today’s episode: 

• Watch Ashish discuss Merck’s new antiviral pill on World News Tonight: https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/1444097297323859971 
• Check out Ashish’s latest appearance on Newsmax: https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dr-jha-covid-vaccine-mandates/2021/10/04/id/1039009/# 
• Read Ashish’s optimistic January 2020 Health Affairs article predicting the US response to COVID: https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200131.369043/full/ 
• Listen to Andy’s appearance on The Hugh Hewitt Show: https://hughhewitt.com/video/wh-covid-response-teams-andy-slavitt-and-hoovers-lanhee-chen-on-vaccine-rollout-variant-risk/   
• Check out this picture of Ashish’s Fourth of July barbecue: https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1411832517049655302 
• Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/ 
• Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165 

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