As we revealed in part one, the 2007 Rutgers women’s basketball team was having a Cinderella season when radio host Don Imus callously dragged them into a national firestorm with a racist slur, effectively stealing their moment. But the women of Rutgers didn’t just go away quietly – they fought back, rising above the noise to tell their story. Susie and Jess are joined again by former Rutgers captain Essence Carson and Emmy-winning journalist Jemele Hill to unpack the aftermath of that sordid episode, and discuss the complexities of who gets to respond in anger when they are publicly targeted, and why.

GUESTS:  
Essence Carson, former WNBA star, Rutgers captain and current creative executive
Jemele Hill, Emmy award-winning journalist

FOR MORE:
A First-Class Response to a Second-Class Put-Down (NYT, 2007)
Imus: Race, Power and the Media (Newsweek, 2007)
Don Imus, DJ fired for racial slur at Rutgers players, dies at 79 (ESPN, 2019)

As we revealed in part one, the 2007 Rutgers women’s basketball team was having a Cinderella season when radio host Don Imus callously dragged them into a national firestorm with a racist slur, effectively stealing their moment. But the women of Rutgers didn’t just go away quietly – they fought back, rising above the noise to tell their story. Susie and Jess are joined again by former Rutgers captain Essence Carson and Emmy-winning journalist Jemele Hill to unpack the aftermath of that sordid episode, and discuss the complexities of who gets to respond in anger when they are publicly targeted, and why.
GUESTS:  
<ul>
<li>Essence Carson, former WNBA star, Rutgers captain and current creative executive</li>
<li>Jemele Hill, Emmy award-winning journalist</li>
</ul>
FOR MORE:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/sports/ncaabasketball/11roberts.html?action=click&amp;module=RelatedCoverage&amp;pgtype=Article&amp;region=Footer">A First-Class Response to a Second-Class Put-Down </a>(NYT, 2007)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/imus-race-power-and-media-97775">Imus: Race, Power and the Media</a> (Newsweek, 2007)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28379624/don-imus-dj-fired-racial-slur-rutgers-players-dies-79">Don Imus, DJ fired for racial slur at Rutgers players, dies at 79</a> (ESPN, 2019)</li>
</ul>

Is there a cultural moment from your past that looks different in retrospect? Maybe it’s a scandalous tabloid story seared into your teenage brain or a political punchline that just feels wrong now. It might be a very specific red swimsuit that inspired a decade of plastic surgery (see: “Baywatch”) or the inescapable smell of an entire generation of prepubescent boys (Axe body spray, anyone?). Each week on IN RETROSPECT, Emmy-winning journalist Susie Banikarim and New York Times editor Jessica Bennett revisit a pop culture moment from the 80s and 90s that shaped them — to try to understand what it taught us about the world, and a woman’s place in it.

Talk to us at @inretropod, @susiebnyc and @jessicabennett on Instagram. New episodes each Friday.

Is there a cultural moment from your past that looks different in retrospect? Maybe it’s a scandalous tabloid story seared into your teenage brain or a political punchline that just feels wrong now. It might be a very specific red swimsuit that inspired a decade of plastic surgery (see: “Baywatch”) or the inescapable smell of an entire generation of prepubescent boys (Axe body spray, anyone?). Each week on IN RETROSPECT, Emmy-winning journalist Susie Banikarim and New York Times editor Jessica Bennett revisit a pop culture moment from the 80s and 90s that shaped them — to try to understand what it taught us about the world, and a woman’s place in it.
Talk to us at @inretropod, @susiebnyc and @jessicabennett on Instagram. New episodes each Friday.

In Retrospect with Susie Banikarim and Jessica Bennett

The Rutgers Women Fight Back (Pt 2)

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Since we originally published this episode in May 2024, there has been significant developments for Lyle and Erik Menendez, brothers who were convicted of killing their parents in the early 1990s. On October 24th, Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón requested that the brothers be resentenced. We are replaying this episode in its entirety because it provides the context you need to understand how we got here.

Lyle and Erik Menendez, two Beverly Hills brothers, were convicted of murdering their parents in a tabloid case that captivated the nation in the 1990s. But in recent years, they have captured the attention of a new generation, becoming unlikely social media stars despite being in prison for the last 34 years. In this episode, Susie and Jess look at the dedicated fan accounts advocating for a new trial and the new evidence that might actually free them.

FOR MORE:
The New Menendez Defenders (The New York Times)
Ex-Member of Menudo Says He Was Raped by Father of the Menendez Brothers (The New York Times)
New evidence may back Menendez brothers’ sexual abuse claims. But can it free them? (The Los Angeles Time)

Since we originally published this episode in May 2024, there has been significant developments for Lyle and Erik Menendez, brothers who were convicted of killing their parents in the early 1990s. On October 24th, Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón requested that the brothers be resentenced. We are replaying this episode in its entirety because it provides the context you need to understand how we got here.
Lyle and Erik Menendez, two Beverly Hills brothers, were convicted of murdering their parents in a tabloid case that captivated the nation in the 1990s. But in recent years, they have captured the attention of a new generation, becoming unlikely social media stars despite being in prison for the last 34 years. In this episode, Susie and Jess look at the dedicated fan accounts advocating for a new trial and the new evidence that might actually free them.
FOR MORE:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F02%2F09%2Fstyle%2Fmenendez-brothers-social-media-defenders.html&amp;data=05%7C02%7CDerrickClements%40iheartmedia.com%7C0025b7fc43de49beba3808dcf506dc3c%7C122a527e5b714eba878d9810b495b9e3%7C0%7C0%7C638654657034602821%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=UVpHNlhJnfV5D46Gj6YPnBhFCJPGKuDG2GcUMvUjZow%3D&amp;reserved=0">The New Menendez Defenders (The New York Times</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2023%2F04%2F18%2Farts%2Ftelevision%2Fmenendez-brothers-menudo-roy-rossello-documentary.html&amp;data=05%7C02%7CDerrickClements%40iheartmedia.com%7C0025b7fc43de49beba3808dcf506dc3c%7C122a527e5b714eba878d9810b495b9e3%7C0%7C0%7C638654657034626618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=aYy%2FojEQCnc7NU7mnn4BNPfSq5Q1D%2BG%2FdjGo1W%2BOtHg%3D&amp;reserved=0">Ex-Member of Menudo Says He Was Raped by Father of the Menendez Brothers (The New York Times)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2023-07-17%2Fmenendez-brothers-vacate-convictions-new-hearing-evidence&amp;data=05%7C02%7CDerrickClements%40iheartmedia.com%7C0025b7fc43de49beba3808dcf506dc3c%7C122a527e5b714eba878d9810b495b9e3%7C0%7C0%7C638654657034644245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=FQn16%2B5UUxVig6v4Q1NMxBIrnz3Y9gOWzEGIRyY9jPE%3D&amp;reserved=0">New evidence may back Menendez brothers’ sexual abuse claims. But can it free them? (The Los Angeles Time)</a></li>
</ul>

Update: Why the Menendez Brothers May Go Free

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When Madonna performed “Like A Virgin'' at the first MTV Video Music Awards in 1984, she scandalized the audience and her own team. But she also stole the show, cementing MTV’s place in cultural history. In this episode, Susie and Jess look back at Madonna’s early years in New York, the events that led her to that stage and how she became one of pop's most enduring icons. 

GUESTS:
Mary Gabriel, author of Madonna: A Rebel Life

FOR MORE:
Madonna: Our 1985 Cover Story (Spin)
Madonna’s Celebration Tour Proves She Won’t Quit (NY Times)
Buy Mary Gabriel’s book Madonna: A Rebel Life

When Madonna performed “Like A Virgin'' at the first MTV Video Music Awards in 1984, she scandalized the audience and her own team. But she also stole the show, cementing MTV’s place in cultural history. In this episode, Susie and Jess look back at Madonna’s early years in New York, the events that led her to that stage and how she became one of pop's most enduring icons. 
GUESTS:
<ul>
<li>Mary Gabriel, author of Madonna: A Rebel Life</li>
</ul>
FOR MORE:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.spin.com/featured/madonna-like-a-virgin-may-1985-cover-story-confessions-of-a/">Madonna: Our 1985 Cover Story</a> (Spin)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/opinion/madonna-celebration-tour.html">Madonna’s Celebration Tour Proves She Won’t Quit</a> (NY Times)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/mary-gabriel/madonna/9780316456449/">Buy Mary Gabriel’s book Madonna: A Rebel Life</a></li>
</ul>

Madonna and the Making of a Cultural Icon (Pt 2)

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In 1984, a relatively unknown 26-year old Madonna appeared at the first MTV Video Music Awards. Dressed like a rock and roll bride, Madonna sang “Like a Virgin.” The performance was considered so risque, so scandalous that many – including her own manager – predicted it would end her career. But far from stopping her, that moment changed Madonna’s life, transforming her from rising star to pop idol. In this week’s episode, Susie and Jess talk about that iconic performance, the rise of MTV and how together MTV and Madonna were a force that defined 80s pop culture. 

GUESTS:  
Mary Gabriel, author of Madonna: A Rebel Life

FOR MORE:
60 Times Madonna Changed Our Culture (NY Times)
Inside Madonna's Legendary Performance at the First VMAs (Rolling Stone)
Buy Mary Gabriel’s book Madonna: A Rebel Life

In 1984, a relatively unknown 26-year old Madonna appeared at the first MTV Video Music Awards. Dressed like a rock and roll bride, Madonna sang “Like a Virgin.” The performance was considered so risque, so scandalous that many – including her own manager – predicted it would end her career. But far from stopping her, that moment changed Madonna’s life, transforming her from rising star to pop idol. In this week’s episode, Susie and Jess talk about that iconic performance, the rise of MTV and how together MTV and Madonna were a force that defined 80s pop culture. 
GUESTS:  
<ul>
<li>Mary Gabriel, author of Madonna: A Rebel Life</li>
</ul>
FOR MORE:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/16/arts/music/madonna-birthday-impact.html">60 Times Madonna Changed Our Culture</a> (NY Times)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/madonna-vmas-biography-excerpt-1234829918/">Inside Madonna's Legendary Performance at the First VMAs</a> (Rolling Stone)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/mary-gabriel/madonna/9780316456449/">Buy Mary Gabriel’s book Madonna: A Rebel Life</a></li>
</ul>

Madonna And The MTV Moment (Pt 1)

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