In 1988, Oprah Winfrey revealed on her hugely popular talk show that she’d shed 67 pounds, which she illustrated to her audience by wheeling out a little red wagon full of exactly that much animal fat. That show, the highest-rated of her 25-year run, would kickstart a cycle of speculation about this wildly successful woman’s body that would endure for decades. In this episode, Susie and Jess explore why Oprah’s weight struggles have been the subject of so much fascination, her recent special that touches on that scrutiny, the rise of Ozempic and the pressure women feel to be perfect.

FOR MORE:

• Oprah Daily’s The State of Weight Special (Oprah Daily)
• Making Oprah podcast (WBEZ)
• From the Archives: Oprah Winfrey Cover Story (Vogue)
• Losing It in the Anti-Dieting Age (New York Times Magazine)