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Week thirteen is in the books. Welcome in. He's Mike Carmon. Hit him up at Swollendome. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Get Mike on Blues Guy as well at Mike carmeron. You can find me at Dan Byer on Blue Guy, who shows executive producer as Ian Roddy. And before we even hear from Mike Harmon, you know Ian's on AX at Ian Roddy Underscore.

Week thirteen is in the books. Welcome in. He's Mike Carmon. Hit him up at Swollendome. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Get Mike on Blues Guy as well at Mike carmeron. You can find me at Dan Byer on Blue Guy, who shows executive producer as Ian Roddy. And before we even hear from Mike Harmon, you know Ian's on AX at Ian Roddy Underscore.

It's been a week. It's been through the Thanksgiving holiday. Are you on Blue Skuy yet? Ian?

It's been a week. It's been through the Thanksgiving holiday. Are you on Blue Skuy yet? Ian?

I'm not on Blue Sky yet, but but I have heard about Blue Sky a lot more now, so I'm thinking it might actually be starting to catch on a little more. The first time i'd ever heard it mentioned was on this show. So now I've heard in a few other.

I'm not on Blue Sky yet, but but I have heard about Blue Sky a lot more now, so I'm thinking it might actually be starting to catch on a little more. The first time i'd ever heard it mentioned was on this show. So now I've heard in a few other.

Places, well you can find Mike and I on it.

Places, well you can find Mike and I on it.

And I think Mike, we are making an impression on Ian that at some point, by the time the season ends, I think he will be on Blue Sky.

And I think Mike, we are making an impression on Ian that at some point, by the time the season ends, I think he will be on Blue Sky.

A safe bet.

A safe bet.

That's it. I mean, it's it's basically as my friends had in their wedding ceremony as water eerodes Rock, I am finally here on a wedding day. So they dated forever and he finally acquiesced. They've now been married like sixteen years, but they dated for a good decade before that, and that was part of his part of his vows, We're.

That's it. I mean, it's it's basically as my friends had in their wedding ceremony as water eerodes Rock, I am finally here on a wedding day. So they dated forever and he finally acquiesced. They've now been married like sixteen years, but they dated for a good decade before that, and that was part of his part of his vows, We're.

Going to wear you down, and it's going to happen at some point.

Going to wear you down, and it's going to happen at some point.

It might be ten years, but we'll get Jim.

It might be ten years, but we'll get Jim.

I'll tell you what.

I'll tell you what.

The fantasy season has worn me down, and I think that there may be others in the fantasy world that feel my pain. Whether you have three teams that's what I had this year to regular guillotine, whether you have Mike who's been doing drafts since mid July, actually even earlier than that, and I don't even know how many teams Mike has. I think Ian has six overall, including is Guillotine squad. But guys, I'm crapped out, guillotine chopped, longtime league, no chance of the playoffs, and I'm close to being eliminated entering the final week of next week. So yeah, so, but I'm still here for the party, still here to hang, still here to do all the information. But sometimes it happens in a fantasy football season and you just got to find other ways to enjoy the rest of the NFL. Luckily, my Seahawks are still in the thick of things, leaders in the NFC West, so that will occupy my attention.

The fantasy season has worn me down, and I think that there may be others in the fantasy world that feel my pain. Whether you have three teams that's what I had this year to regular guillotine, whether you have Mike who's been doing drafts since mid July, actually even earlier than that, and I don't even know how many teams Mike has. I think Ian has six overall, including is Guillotine squad. But guys, I'm crapped out, guillotine chopped, longtime league, no chance of the playoffs, and I'm close to being eliminated entering the final week of next week. So yeah, so, but I'm still here for the party, still here to hang, still here to do all the information. But sometimes it happens in a fantasy football season and you just got to find other ways to enjoy the rest of the NFL. Luckily, my Seahawks are still in the thick of things, leaders in the NFC West, so that will occupy my attention.

But we don't want anybody who is in my.

But we don't want anybody who is in my.

Spot of fantasy football to abandon the podcast because we don't just talk fantasy football. We talk all NFL, and we talk all different phases. I just wanted to put that out there because I think there are some people probably after we thirteen, being like, ah, well that's it, that's season's done for me. I've only got next week and I'm eliminated. But yeah, hang with us. It'll be fun.

Spot of fantasy football to abandon the podcast because we don't just talk fantasy football. We talk all NFL, and we talk all different phases. I just wanted to put that out there because I think there are some people probably after we thirteen, being like, ah, well that's it, that's season's done for me. I've only got next week and I'm eliminated. But yeah, hang with us. It'll be fun.

There's a couple of things to it. Number One, there's always potentially the opportunity to play spoiler, right not all league playoffs will start week fifteen. Maybe you got one more week in you but either way, you know, change it to week long tournaments. And like there's other variations. Also, hate watching the teams that have defeated you in your league. You can have fun with that as well. But obviously we take a lot of shots at the NFL world and the good, the bad, the ugly. Add the pop culture humor and just random chaos, and we'll give you something to listen to. If nothing else, you're gonna shake your fist and call me a jerk.

There's a couple of things to it. Number One, there's always potentially the opportunity to play spoiler, right not all league playoffs will start week fifteen. Maybe you got one more week in you but either way, you know, change it to week long tournaments. And like there's other variations. Also, hate watching the teams that have defeated you in your league. You can have fun with that as well. But obviously we take a lot of shots at the NFL world and the good, the bad, the ugly. Add the pop culture humor and just random chaos, and we'll give you something to listen to. If nothing else, you're gonna shake your fist and call me a jerk.

Nobody's calling me a jerky.

Nobody's calling me a jerky.

I think I got a couple on Twitter, let me find their names. No, just kidding.

I think I got a couple on Twitter, let me find their names. No, just kidding.

We've talked last week about the drive, the fumble, the catch, those had to deal with the Browns and Broncos. Giving Ian Roddy, our executive producer, a lesson and I did the test for a few more people around Fox Sports Radio, and it is a generational thing.

We've talked last week about the drive, the fumble, the catch, those had to deal with the Browns and Broncos. Giving Ian Roddy, our executive producer, a lesson and I did the test for a few more people around Fox Sports Radio, and it is a generational thing.

Mike and I almost think we have to.

Mike and I almost think we have to.

Do a better job of teaching our youth about the greatness of the National Football League from the nineteen eighties and really even from the nineties. For people like Ian's age, who was born and by the way, I realized today that I know Ian's birthday by heart now and not.

Do a better job of teaching our youth about the greatness of the National Football League from the nineteen eighties and really even from the nineties. For people like Ian's age, who was born and by the way, I realized today that I know Ian's birthday by heart now and not.

An easy one.

An easy one.

It is is an easy one, but I even mentioned that. I think I mentioned it on the air. Hopefully nobody took real advantage of it. But the point being is that Brown's Broncos on Monday Night to wrap up Week thirteen may not have had the stakes or the drama as those two great AFC Championship games from the eighties, but it.

It is is an easy one, but I even mentioned that. I think I mentioned it on the air. Hopefully nobody took real advantage of it. But the point being is that Brown's Broncos on Monday Night to wrap up Week thirteen may not have had the stakes or the drama as those two great AFC Championship games from the eighties, but it.

Did provide some entertainment.

Did provide some entertainment.

Jameis Winston being Jameis Winston and Bo Nix I guess in a way being Bo Nicks as well.

Jameis Winston being Jameis Winston and Bo Nix I guess in a way being Bo Nicks as well.

Great moments in gambling history as well. So you get the big pass. The spread was six and a half, so you get the big pass interference call. So while it wiped away the opportunity for Jameis Winston to go and break Matt Shops single game record, we also had knocking on the door step here at the final final minute of the game. And then Jamis throws his third interception of the game, which you get the horse collar from Judy plus Nick Chubb chasing down, so you don't get the third pick six that goes one hundred yards. But it was also one of those what the hell man Like as soon as the flag came out on the PI, it's like, all right, people are gonna get their plus six and a half. I'm gonna finish the week for the picks that I do At thirteen and three, I'll spike on people that's against the spread and I'm gonna go out the door instead. Well, you get more Jameis Winston. But I would say this forty one thirty two. Your final the over under was forty two and a half. So Denver just on the doorstep again by themselves. But also you look at this game. It was the perfect bookend to the crazy ass five days of football we just had.

Great moments in gambling history as well. So you get the big pass. The spread was six and a half, so you get the big pass interference call. So while it wiped away the opportunity for Jameis Winston to go and break Matt Shops single game record, we also had knocking on the door step here at the final final minute of the game. And then Jamis throws his third interception of the game, which you get the horse collar from Judy plus Nick Chubb chasing down, so you don't get the third pick six that goes one hundred yards. But it was also one of those what the hell man Like as soon as the flag came out on the PI, it's like, all right, people are gonna get their plus six and a half. I'm gonna finish the week for the picks that I do At thirteen and three, I'll spike on people that's against the spread and I'm gonna go out the door instead. Well, you get more Jameis Winston. But I would say this forty one thirty two. Your final the over under was forty two and a half. So Denver just on the doorstep again by themselves. But also you look at this game. It was the perfect bookend to the crazy ass five days of football we just had.

It was great to see Jameis Winston do what he did because I actually thought it was over for him. I thought that the success that he had early in his replacing of Deshaun Watson, we're just kind of flashes in the pan and lightning striking. However, that was not the case on Monday night, and it was honestly, it was actually good to see the interceptions as well, to be like, all right, nothing's changed, and not that I'm a Jameis Winston hater, how can you be considering his personality? But I'm like, okay, this seems about right.

It was great to see Jameis Winston do what he did because I actually thought it was over for him. I thought that the success that he had early in his replacing of Deshaun Watson, we're just kind of flashes in the pan and lightning striking. However, that was not the case on Monday night, and it was honestly, it was actually good to see the interceptions as well, to be like, all right, nothing's changed, and not that I'm a Jameis Winston hater, how can you be considering his personality? But I'm like, okay, this seems about right.

This fits.

This fits.

This isn't just a guy that the NFL has been keeping under wraps so far and really is one of the I mean, he is a gun slinger, I will give him that, and we saw it on full display. But sometimes with those gun slingers come those interceptions, and that's what we got.

This isn't just a guy that the NFL has been keeping under wraps so far and really is one of the I mean, he is a gun slinger, I will give him that, and we saw it on full display. But sometimes with those gun slingers come those interceptions, and that's what we got.

Well, that's just it. He's not going to go quietly into the good night. Fifty eight pass attempts in this one against a here to four difficult to navigate Denver defense. So that was one thing that he raised an eyebrow. Here right, even without Tillman, they're able to move the ball, big chunk plays. The fact that Certan wasn't just glued to Judy all night makes absolutely no sense, because he did a good job and there are a few matchups, but otherwise he's roaming free in the defensive backfield. But overall, I mean four ninety seven, four and three. One of the interception returns for a touchdown I had just happenstanced, you know, the undercutting of the route a little behind the receiver falls to the turf and is able to get up and he looks around. He's like, hey, I've got some daylight, and away you go. But all that to say, Judy two thirty five and a touchdown, nine catches on thirteen targets and Djoku had seventeen target nine for fifty two and two. And we talked about it Smith and I as we were watching it, like James finished with a you know, the all important quarterback rating was under a ninety for the game. Despite all the heroics, we saw the run game for Cleveland shut down again you get into one of these shootout scenarios. But Nick Chubb just twenty one yards on the ground. He did have the receiving touchdowns, so you got that gift for you as well as another nineteen yard catch, but a quiet night for him. So I'll take one victory in there in terms of what the cold cold soares were for last week. But for the Denver side, Bo nicks two ninety four ninety three of it. For Marvin Mims Junior, he finishes with three and one hundred and five in a score. You know, coming into the game, he had one hundred and sixty two receiving yards for the year. So there you go, hey, breakout double up double That was did. But Courtland Sutton gets over the one hundred yard mark again six catches. He's been fantastic of late. The one thing he did didn't get from Bonnicks. Here with his two ninety four and a score, you only had four rushing yards. So there was the disappointment for you. He had a couple of great rollouts. Oh there, he's gonna go, he's gonna go, he's.

Well, that's just it. He's not going to go quietly into the good night. Fifty eight pass attempts in this one against a here to four difficult to navigate Denver defense. So that was one thing that he raised an eyebrow. Here right, even without Tillman, they're able to move the ball, big chunk plays. The fact that Certan wasn't just glued to Judy all night makes absolutely no sense, because he did a good job and there are a few matchups, but otherwise he's roaming free in the defensive backfield. But overall, I mean four ninety seven, four and three. One of the interception returns for a touchdown I had just happenstanced, you know, the undercutting of the route a little behind the receiver falls to the turf and is able to get up and he looks around. He's like, hey, I've got some daylight, and away you go. But all that to say, Judy two thirty five and a touchdown, nine catches on thirteen targets and Djoku had seventeen target nine for fifty two and two. And we talked about it Smith and I as we were watching it, like James finished with a you know, the all important quarterback rating was under a ninety for the game. Despite all the heroics, we saw the run game for Cleveland shut down again you get into one of these shootout scenarios. But Nick Chubb just twenty one yards on the ground. He did have the receiving touchdowns, so you got that gift for you as well as another nineteen yard catch, but a quiet night for him. So I'll take one victory in there in terms of what the cold cold soares were for last week. But for the Denver side, Bo nicks two ninety four ninety three of it. For Marvin Mims Junior, he finishes with three and one hundred and five in a score. You know, coming into the game, he had one hundred and sixty two receiving yards for the year. So there you go, hey, breakout double up double That was did. But Courtland Sutton gets over the one hundred yard mark again six catches. He's been fantastic of late. The one thing he did didn't get from Bonnicks. Here with his two ninety four and a score, you only had four rushing yards. So there was the disappointment for you. He had a couple of great rollouts. Oh there, he's gonna go, he's gonna go, he's.

Gonna give it.

Gonna give it.

No, he didn't, and then he would end up finding a guy down the street like that throw to Men's was absurd, like just a rope.

No, he didn't, and then he would end up finding a guy down the street like that throw to Men's was absurd, like just a rope.

Here's here's the good thing with bon Nicks. In my opinion, there's the good and the bad news on Bnicks. The bad news is if you are fighting for a playoff spot, they have a bye next week, one of the six teams of that week fourteen bye. The good news is is off of that buye they have the Colts. Then they're at LA against the Chargers. But your championship game, if you make it that far, at Cincinnati, and as we've seen, everybody is feasting on Cincinnati. So b Nicks could lead you to the fantasy Promised Land if you can just navigate this bye week and then maybe navigate that week against the Chargers leading up to it, but bon Nicks at least down the stretch here as some favorable matchups. If you have been riding Bonicks as of late for your fantasy starter.

Here's here's the good thing with bon Nicks. In my opinion, there's the good and the bad news on Bnicks. The bad news is if you are fighting for a playoff spot, they have a bye next week, one of the six teams of that week fourteen bye. The good news is is off of that buye they have the Colts. Then they're at LA against the Chargers. But your championship game, if you make it that far, at Cincinnati, and as we've seen, everybody is feasting on Cincinnati. So b Nicks could lead you to the fantasy Promised Land if you can just navigate this bye week and then maybe navigate that week against the Chargers leading up to it, but bon Nicks at least down the stretch here as some favorable matchups. If you have been riding Bonicks as of late for your fantasy starter.

Think about that. The potential of Bonnicks giving you your fantasy title against Cleveland Cincinnati team, I should say, which coming into the year is like, all right, changing parts, but you trusted the all right coordinators there, they'll figure it out. Yeah, and they've just been an absolute disaster. I mean think Russell Wilson went over four hundred yards on him for crying out loud.

Think about that. The potential of Bonnicks giving you your fantasy title against Cleveland Cincinnati team, I should say, which coming into the year is like, all right, changing parts, but you trusted the all right coordinators there, they'll figure it out. Yeah, and they've just been an absolute disaster. I mean think Russell Wilson went over four hundred yards on him for crying out loud.

And I'll say this because we are late in the season. The trickiest part about drafting in a season long affair, the trickiest thing like about drafting is you wouldn't take a flyer on Bonnicks because of the names that are usually available to you as a backup quarterback. Like when we look, I know he's had an awful year and Ian I'm not pointing him out because he's a Jets fan, but I think it's a propos for this scenario when you're drafting this year, you're looking for a backup quarterback, you see the name Aaron Rodgers and you say, you know what, I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than bo Nix. Running Back and wide receiver are completely different because you don't know how rookies are going to acclimate.

And I'll say this because we are late in the season. The trickiest part about drafting in a season long affair, the trickiest thing like about drafting is you wouldn't take a flyer on Bonnicks because of the names that are usually available to you as a backup quarterback. Like when we look, I know he's had an awful year and Ian I'm not pointing him out because he's a Jets fan, but I think it's a propos for this scenario when you're drafting this year, you're looking for a backup quarterback, you see the name Aaron Rodgers and you say, you know what, I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than bo Nix. Running Back and wide receiver are completely different because you don't know how rookies are going to acclimate.

They could be the handcuffed to a guy.

They could be the handcuffed to a guy.

Maybe they develop a rapport with the quarterback and all of a sudden they're a big hit. So it makes sense to take flyers on those guys. To me, it doesn't make sense to take a flyer on a rookie quarterback unless it's Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams. I did not expect this from bo Nicks. Different scenario next year, maybe bo Nicks will be and Jayden Daniels will be the reason why people are starting to take flyers. But I just know, leading into the draft, I'm looking at the names that I'm like, oh, hey, two is still available, He'll be my backup. Or you know, Jared Goff still there, Hey, he'll be my backup. I wouldn't have thought to take a flyer on bo Nicks. But if you did, or you picked them up early, kudos to you, and hopefully you're paying me or receiving the rewards from it.

Maybe they develop a rapport with the quarterback and all of a sudden they're a big hit. So it makes sense to take flyers on those guys. To me, it doesn't make sense to take a flyer on a rookie quarterback unless it's Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams. I did not expect this from bo Nicks. Different scenario next year, maybe bo Nicks will be and Jayden Daniels will be the reason why people are starting to take flyers. But I just know, leading into the draft, I'm looking at the names that I'm like, oh, hey, two is still available, He'll be my backup. Or you know, Jared Goff still there, Hey, he'll be my backup. I wouldn't have thought to take a flyer on bo Nicks. But if you did, or you picked them up early, kudos to you, and hopefully you're paying me or receiving the rewards from it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right now, in terms of total points at the quarterback position, he's number seven. Now obviously have their bye this week, so you know, some of that will normalize out a little bit because you have Sam Darnold just behind him. Mahomes, despite all of his like all the bad ink that's been slung around him the last few weeks, you've actually seen a couple of big performances mixed in with a pretty steady seventeen to twenty point performance. So he's sitting at number nine. Kyler Murray. Look he's got three or four just awful games mixed in, but still at top ten quarterback. All that to say, bo Nick's one of the great surprises. He was on average, just taking a quick gander, as you talked in number twenty eight average quarterback drafting position for this last year. By way of contrast, we go back and Aaron Rodgers was twentieth, Geno Smith, twenty first, Deshaun Watson, you know, voted no confidence from everybody on this podcast, number twenty two ahead a Baker Mayfield. Which is interesting because Baker, no matter what you thought about what they could do, win loss wise, you had Evans, Godwin White and everybody coming into the year. It's like and Kate Otten, It's like you got weapons. So I'm surprised to see that the average draft position was that low. All that to say, Bo Nicks one of the great values of the year, But.

Right now, in terms of total points at the quarterback position, he's number seven. Now obviously have their bye this week, so you know, some of that will normalize out a little bit because you have Sam Darnold just behind him. Mahomes, despite all of his like all the bad ink that's been slung around him the last few weeks, you've actually seen a couple of big performances mixed in with a pretty steady seventeen to twenty point performance. So he's sitting at number nine. Kyler Murray. Look he's got three or four just awful games mixed in, but still at top ten quarterback. All that to say, bo Nick's one of the great surprises. He was on average, just taking a quick gander, as you talked in number twenty eight average quarterback drafting position for this last year. By way of contrast, we go back and Aaron Rodgers was twentieth, Geno Smith, twenty first, Deshaun Watson, you know, voted no confidence from everybody on this podcast, number twenty two ahead a Baker Mayfield. Which is interesting because Baker, no matter what you thought about what they could do, win loss wise, you had Evans, Godwin White and everybody coming into the year. It's like and Kate Otten, It's like you got weapons. So I'm surprised to see that the average draft position was that low. All that to say, Bo Nicks one of the great values of the year, But.

Where was Where was Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels like eleven twelve?

Where was Where was Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels like eleven twelve?

Like in that Caleb was thirteen, Jane was eleven.

Like in that Caleb was thirteen, Jane was eleven.

Yeah, so that's and I think there are a lot of people that felt Jane Daniels would have, you know, a better fantasy year than Caleb Williams. That's not a surprise, but it does prove my point. When you're sitting there looking for that backup quarterback, you're in a twelve team league, You're like, all right, I just need somebody. You're more likely to take Aaron Rodgers in that scenario than you would bow Nix. But kudos to you if you've taken Bo Nicks and what On the point about the Browns, I don't think that running game will get going, not because of Chubb's health necessarily, but that offensive line is not the offensive line of Cleveland's past, So.

Yeah, so that's and I think there are a lot of people that felt Jane Daniels would have, you know, a better fantasy year than Caleb Williams. That's not a surprise, but it does prove my point. When you're sitting there looking for that backup quarterback, you're in a twelve team league, You're like, all right, I just need somebody. You're more likely to take Aaron Rodgers in that scenario than you would bow Nix. But kudos to you if you've taken Bo Nicks and what On the point about the Browns, I don't think that running game will get going, not because of Chubb's health necessarily, but that offensive line is not the offensive line of Cleveland's past, So.

It's it's it's been like that for a while.

It's it's it's been like that for a while.

They've had issues at tackle, both tackle positions for the season, So it's been it's been a bit of a mess in Cleveland, and it's not the the notorious offensive line that we've gotten to know throughout the years. But do you bring Jameis Winston back and leave Deshaun Watson out to dry?

They've had issues at tackle, both tackle positions for the season, So it's been it's been a bit of a mess in Cleveland, and it's not the the notorious offensive line that we've gotten to know throughout the years. But do you bring Jameis Winston back and leave Deshaun Watson out to dry?

What do you do there?

What do you do there?

Look how every quarterback other than Deshaun Watson just puts up numbers for the Browns. Yeah, Blaco, now Winston.

Look how every quarterback other than Deshaun Watson just puts up numbers for the Browns. Yeah, Blaco, now Winston.

That's it right, They're gonna put the ball in harms away, that's part of who they are. But in the end, I'm getting juice, right, I'm getting a team that's motivated, that's ready to play for Deshaun Watson. It never seemed like anybody wanted to play with or for that guy, and I well, I don't pretend to know the locker room, but look, we've got enough of a sample size of the guy on the field. The last couple of years when he was healthy and available, did it look like anybody was going the extra mile?

That's it right, They're gonna put the ball in harms away, that's part of who they are. But in the end, I'm getting juice, right, I'm getting a team that's motivated, that's ready to play for Deshaun Watson. It never seemed like anybody wanted to play with or for that guy, and I well, I don't pretend to know the locker room, but look, we've got enough of a sample size of the guy on the field. The last couple of years when he was healthy and available, did it look like anybody was going the extra mile?

Jamis Winston seemed to like him, which ironically is the guy who just can never be on the field at the same time as him.

Jamis Winston seemed to like him, which ironically is the guy who just can never be on the field at the same time as him.

So well, you know the the and I think Ian makes a really good point because that's how I looked at it, Like the Jamis Winston success is the second to the notion of like, okay, this reaffirms it that it is a Deshaun Watson problem.

So well, you know the the and I think Ian makes a really good point because that's how I looked at it, Like the Jamis Winston success is the second to the notion of like, okay, this reaffirms it that it is a Deshaun Watson problem.

It's not just Joe Flacco is amazing.

It's not just Joe Flacco is amazing.

And maybe we knew that because Joe Flacco, you know, was still turning the ball over with the Indianapolis Colts.

And maybe we knew that because Joe Flacco, you know, was still turning the ball over with the Indianapolis Colts.

But to have the success that.

But to have the success that.

Winston is having, that Joe Flacco had similar success, but Deshaun Watson couldn't.

Winston is having, that Joe Flacco had similar success, but Deshaun Watson couldn't.

That's all you need to know.

That's all you need to know.

Down the stretch here for Cleveland where we look ahead, we do have a matchup again Cincinnati on the board for Week sixteen. Thanks, So you know, look, you gotta find the week the week opposition, right, find your wins. As we say, oftentimes there's one for Jamison and the component parts of that offense.

Down the stretch here for Cleveland where we look ahead, we do have a matchup again Cincinnati on the board for Week sixteen. Thanks, So you know, look, you gotta find the week the week opposition, right, find your wins. As we say, oftentimes there's one for Jamison and the component parts of that offense.

For sure, Jamis can get you to your Fantasy championship, and then Bonux can win it for you.

For sure, Jamis can get you to your Fantasy championship, and then Bonux can win it for you.

Hopefully if you're able to parlay that together somehow, that is your back to back quarterbacking run and you can prove it to us here on. I watch your flex, I'll find something in my random prize closet. I e my large trading card collection to find your way.

Hopefully if you're able to parlay that together somehow, that is your back to back quarterbacking run and you can prove it to us here on. I watch your flex, I'll find something in my random prize closet. I e my large trading card collection to find your way.

Well, I'll tell you what something happened in week thirteen that I never thought would actually happen.

Well, I'll tell you what something happened in week thirteen that I never thought would actually happen.

We'll explain what that is.

We'll explain what that is.

And it's not Jameis Winston almost setting in an NFL record. So whatdd he was twenty It was twenty some yards short of shop at five twenty seven, Modern era Super Bowl era Norm van Brocklin in nineteen fifty one. I'm sure you remember this ian through for five hundred and fifty four yards.

And it's not Jameis Winston almost setting in an NFL record. So whatdd he was twenty It was twenty some yards short of shop at five twenty seven, Modern era Super Bowl era Norm van Brocklin in nineteen fifty one. I'm sure you remember this ian through for five hundred and fifty four yards.

Oh yes, but I'll and Warren Moon.

Oh yes, but I'll and Warren Moon.

Sit there at five twenty seven, and the five hundred club is is a little deeper. Five or excuse me, twenty five players or there have been twenty five guys that have thrown for five hundred or more. But yeah, if you wouldn't have had that pass interference, he could have got a few more. Jamis Winston would have seen himself on this list. I was going to say, on this list again, but he is not thrown for one hundred yards or five hundred yards in his career anyway, all right, I got to get to the crazy stuff from week thirteen, and some names aside from maybe Bo Nicks and Jameis Winston that you're going to want to load up for or load up with for a playoff run. He's Mike Krmen, and I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy More next here and I want your flex. We'll do our report cards from week thirteen coming up in the next segment, plus Michael give you some waiver wire pickups. I know it was the fourth time in history that it's happened, but Josh Allen throwing the touchdown pass and then getting credit on the lateral gave my team a complete boost. I was trailing in my league again. I'm out of the playoffs, Dale, but it happened to you too, Deal. I was like, all right, hey, I'll take this next thing. You know, I'm winning my game like it was. It was crazy, and I know it's not the craziest thing that we've seen, but just to think that your quarterback is going to get that many points, like when you throw a ninety yard touchdown like you know, heck, like we saw in Denver, the fifteen points that you that you get, they it's like Wow. I remember when Ceedee Lamb last year, that game against the Lions. You know, I had that ninety yarder and you're adding up, like, oh my gosh, your score changed so dramatically. With a quarterback, that's usually not the case. But to have that double touchdown, I'm like, wait a second, and yeah, I ended up taking the lead. Crazy, crazy, not the craziest play we've ever seen in the end, I felt, But I'll tell you what, It's sure change my fortunes in fantasy football.

Sit there at five twenty seven, and the five hundred club is is a little deeper. Five or excuse me, twenty five players or there have been twenty five guys that have thrown for five hundred or more. But yeah, if you wouldn't have had that pass interference, he could have got a few more. Jamis Winston would have seen himself on this list. I was going to say, on this list again, but he is not thrown for one hundred yards or five hundred yards in his career anyway, all right, I got to get to the crazy stuff from week thirteen, and some names aside from maybe Bo Nicks and Jameis Winston that you're going to want to load up for or load up with for a playoff run. He's Mike Krmen, and I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy More next here and I want your flex. We'll do our report cards from week thirteen coming up in the next segment, plus Michael give you some waiver wire pickups. I know it was the fourth time in history that it's happened, but Josh Allen throwing the touchdown pass and then getting credit on the lateral gave my team a complete boost. I was trailing in my league again. I'm out of the playoffs, Dale, but it happened to you too, Deal. I was like, all right, hey, I'll take this next thing. You know, I'm winning my game like it was. It was crazy, and I know it's not the craziest thing that we've seen, but just to think that your quarterback is going to get that many points, like when you throw a ninety yard touchdown like you know, heck, like we saw in Denver, the fifteen points that you that you get, they it's like Wow. I remember when Ceedee Lamb last year, that game against the Lions. You know, I had that ninety yarder and you're adding up, like, oh my gosh, your score changed so dramatically. With a quarterback, that's usually not the case. But to have that double touchdown, I'm like, wait a second, and yeah, I ended up taking the lead. Crazy, crazy, not the craziest play we've ever seen in the end, I felt, But I'll tell you what, It's sure change my fortunes in fantasy football.

For the week. He finishes as the third highest scoring quarterback ball throwing for one hundred and forty eight yards.

For the week. He finishes as the third highest scoring quarterback ball throwing for one hundred and forty eight yards.

Not bad.

Not bad.

That's not a bad week at the office. Uh yeah, again, craziness throughout the weekend, as we talked about with that Monday night capper. But yeah, that Josh Allen played, I think I still think it should have been blown dead. That like Cooper's Yeah, that Cooper's forward progress was stop. He had three guys on him and they allowed him to keep it going.

That's not a bad week at the office. Uh yeah, again, craziness throughout the weekend, as we talked about with that Monday night capper. But yeah, that Josh Allen played, I think I still think it should have been blown dead. That like Cooper's Yeah, that Cooper's forward progress was stop. He had three guys on him and they allowed him to keep it going.

Yeah that's not as fun.

Yeah that's not as fun.

Yeah, that's that's no fun.

Yeah, that's that's no fun.

No, no, Look, and you know me, how many fights did I have with people on our network about Josh Allen years ago?

No, no, Look, and you know me, how many fights did I have with people on our network about Josh Allen years ago?

Sure?

Sure?

Like I was the guy holding the flag and waving it around forever about Josh Allen. So I'm certainly not trying to take away anything from him, just even in the moment, I'm like, Cooper looks like he's kind of giving up play and now he pitches it, and the way we go.

Like I was the guy holding the flag and waving it around forever about Josh Allen. So I'm certainly not trying to take away anything from him, just even in the moment, I'm like, Cooper looks like he's kind of giving up play and now he pitches it, and the way we go.

The conditions made it such and I think it's a lesson, you know, for anybody, and I'm glad that I didn't.

The conditions made it such and I think it's a lesson, you know, for anybody, and I'm glad that I didn't.

Sometimes you try to out smart yourself.

Sometimes you try to out smart yourself.

If you have Josh Allen, just start Josh Allen, doesn't matter if it's for the first half. I was kind of ruining some of my decisions, being like because I had I had other options on the bench, and I knew that a blizzard was in Buffalo, so could have started Anthony Richardson, who.

If you have Josh Allen, just start Josh Allen, doesn't matter if it's for the first half. I was kind of ruining some of my decisions, being like because I had I had other options on the bench, and I knew that a blizzard was in Buffalo, so could have started Anthony Richardson, who.

Had a game.

Had a game.

Against the Patriots, and that would have made sense. But like with a guy like Josh Allen in that scenario, Now, if that would have been Tua going to Buffalo, or if that would have been not to make it unfair to Tua, but that would have been Baker Mayfield or Russell Wilson, something like that, I wouldn't. I obviously would have made the switch but when it's Josh and it's your guy, you're playing him no matter what.

Against the Patriots, and that would have made sense. But like with a guy like Josh Allen in that scenario, Now, if that would have been Tua going to Buffalo, or if that would have been not to make it unfair to Tua, but that would have been Baker Mayfield or Russell Wilson, something like that, I wouldn't. I obviously would have made the switch but when it's Josh and it's your guy, you're playing him no matter what.

I do the same thing with Jalen Hurts, no matter what. CJ. Strawd'd be like, ah, you know, like I don't know if.

I do the same thing with Jalen Hurts, no matter what. CJ. Strawd'd be like, ah, you know, like I don't know if.

That's really the sort of game for him, But it just was a lesson that you got to play Josh Allen no matter what. And if it's snowing in Buffalo, it may even come out better for you. And then you're rewarded with a ten point score because of the pass and lest the touchdown run if you will.

That's really the sort of game for him, But it just was a lesson that you got to play Josh Allen no matter what. And if it's snowing in Buffalo, it may even come out better for you. And then you're rewarded with a ten point score because of the pass and lest the touchdown run if you will.

I would. You know what's funny is you brought up two in the middle of that. And he is a great example of the tell me you didn't watch the game without telling me you didn't watch the game, right, because people point to the final stats of Tua as like, oh, look, how great this was, Like, no, it was a miserable effort for most of the Yeah, just because he stands up in a solid stat line doesn't mean it was a good game.

I would. You know what's funny is you brought up two in the middle of that. And he is a great example of the tell me you didn't watch the game without telling me you didn't watch the game, right, because people point to the final stats of Tua as like, oh, look, how great this was, Like, no, it was a miserable effort for most of the Yeah, just because he stands up in a solid stat line doesn't mean it was a good game.

You know. There's another rule with that.

You know. There's another rule with that.

When you see John hu Smith have the game that he had, that should also I'll tell you something because that tells you that two is not getting the football to the guys that he needs to get the football too. Like if defenses you'd have to think Green Bay is like, well, just let him dump it off to John o Smith all game.

When you see John hu Smith have the game that he had, that should also I'll tell you something because that tells you that two is not getting the football to the guys that he needs to get the football too. Like if defenses you'd have to think Green Bay is like, well, just let him dump it off to John o Smith all game.

So that's all that they did, you.

So that's all that they did, you.

Know, Like there's you're right about the overall number and two in the snow is what I'm talking about, because the fantasy numbers that he had on Thursday night were fine, but they really weren't battling the elements there.

Know, Like there's you're right about the overall number and two in the snow is what I'm talking about, because the fantasy numbers that he had on Thursday night were fine, but they really weren't battling the elements there.

It was just cold. But yeah, I think that's another part of it too. And I played against John Osmith in the league, and I'm like, you know, gosh darn it, you know that works out.

It was just cold. But yeah, I think that's another part of it too. And I played against John Osmith in the league, and I'm like, you know, gosh darn it, you know that works out.

But that plays in the hands of what your defense wants.

But that plays in the hands of what your defense wants.

No, it's it take the under and then just make sure you actually can tackle. Yeah, if you trust that your team can bring guys down, you'll do just fine. So just don't let them find the seam like we saw so many times in that crazy ass Monday night game. See, it all comes back to watching Jamis slinging around and now praying well that relieves him of his pick sick uh problem.

No, it's it take the under and then just make sure you actually can tackle. Yeah, if you trust that your team can bring guys down, you'll do just fine. So just don't let them find the seam like we saw so many times in that crazy ass Monday night game. See, it all comes back to watching Jamis slinging around and now praying well that relieves him of his pick sick uh problem.

And a week and a half ago, we had the Snow game in Cleveland between the Browns and Steelers, and I said other day after I said it, you know, I said it on the network, and we brought it up on Monday again. On the heels of this, I don't want to see this every week. This is I call it muted football. And because these teams aren't able to play at their highest levels, the Bills in forty nine Ers are tiptoeing around the field because you don't want to slip. And as I'm explaining my point, which I ended up apparently being on the side of Skip Bayless, which doesn't happen too often, but he had the same point on Sunday night, I'm just like, I kind of want to see the Bills take on the forty nine ers.

And a week and a half ago, we had the Snow game in Cleveland between the Browns and Steelers, and I said other day after I said it, you know, I said it on the network, and we brought it up on Monday again. On the heels of this, I don't want to see this every week. This is I call it muted football. And because these teams aren't able to play at their highest levels, the Bills in forty nine Ers are tiptoeing around the field because you don't want to slip. And as I'm explaining my point, which I ended up apparently being on the side of Skip Bayless, which doesn't happen too often, but he had the same point on Sunday night, I'm just like, I kind of want to see the Bills take on the forty nine ers.

I want to see the real deal here.

I want to see the real deal here.

And someone pointed out, yeah, they had more points in that game than most other NFL games, but that's not the point. The point isn't the point scored, it's how they're scored. To your point about the Cooper lateral, it looked like is maybe forward progress was stopped, but you also have three defenders who again are tiptoing and trying not to fall on their ass, you know, because.

And someone pointed out, yeah, they had more points in that game than most other NFL games, but that's not the point. The point isn't the point scored, it's how they're scored. To your point about the Cooper lateral, it looked like is maybe forward progress was stopped, but you also have three defenders who again are tiptoing and trying not to fall on their ass, you know, because.

Or get called for the late hit because they're waiting on a whistle or whatever else. Yeah, there's and and defenses are actually more at risk of making a bad play because they don't necessarily know where they're going in certain situations.

Or get called for the late hit because they're waiting on a whistle or whatever else. Yeah, there's and and defenses are actually more at risk of making a bad play because they don't necessarily know where they're going in certain situations.

Sure there's something to holding on to the football, but.

Sure there's something to holding on to the football, but.

If you're a runner or a wide receiver, you at least have an idea of where you're going where the defender needs to react and can't necessarily be as safe and cautious in their footwork. So you are going to get points at times, Like it's not a six to three ball game. Teams are moving the football up and down the field, but I just don't think that's the way the way that they are playing is really true to their identity and who they are as teams and who they are as offenses.

If you're a runner or a wide receiver, you at least have an idea of where you're going where the defender needs to react and can't necessarily be as safe and cautious in their footwork. So you are going to get points at times, Like it's not a six to three ball game. Teams are moving the football up and down the field, but I just don't think that's the way the way that they are playing is really true to their identity and who they are as teams and who they are as offenses.

Yeah, it's tough because I mean, I like natural element weather games to a point, Like I it's the worst argument you make in sports talk radio and TV. You gotta have a hot take on it. Like I'm down the middle on this one because like part of me is like, all right, let's see what you do. You know, when everything's not in a dome and nice and cozy, the other part is this isn't real football, Like if I've got to worry about my footing, not only because one false step gives you the run to the end zone, but also the oh, I don't know, I may rit my acl if I actually plant a little better on a step or whatever.

Yeah, it's tough because I mean, I like natural element weather games to a point, Like I it's the worst argument you make in sports talk radio and TV. You gotta have a hot take on it. Like I'm down the middle on this one because like part of me is like, all right, let's see what you do. You know, when everything's not in a dome and nice and cozy, the other part is this isn't real football, Like if I've got to worry about my footing, not only because one false step gives you the run to the end zone, but also the oh, I don't know, I may rit my acl if I actually plant a little better on a step or whatever.

I mean.

I mean.

Because we watch Christian McCaffrey go down right, and as soon as he he went down to the the ground, I'm like, that's it, Like that wasn't a Hey, I'm not feeling like I lost my footing. I'm going down and it was no. Something popped. And then of course we get the subruterer. Frame by frame, watch his calf, you know, watch his knee, all of this stuff as we go through, and now to the ir for him, you know, six weeks Mason Joy as well. We'll get to the waiver wire stuff in a minute. But to your point, Dan, yeah, it's it's you. You've got to change your entire playing style. It's all right. We got a game plan on on Tuesday, Wednesday, We're ready start the week in practice. Ah crap, there's five feet of snow.

Because we watch Christian McCaffrey go down right, and as soon as he he went down to the the ground, I'm like, that's it, Like that wasn't a Hey, I'm not feeling like I lost my footing. I'm going down and it was no. Something popped. And then of course we get the subruterer. Frame by frame, watch his calf, you know, watch his knee, all of this stuff as we go through, and now to the ir for him, you know, six weeks Mason Joy as well. We'll get to the waiver wire stuff in a minute. But to your point, Dan, yeah, it's it's you. You've got to change your entire playing style. It's all right. We got a game plan on on Tuesday, Wednesday, We're ready start the week in practice. Ah crap, there's five feet of snow.

Sure, and I think that there's there's there's something to the five feet of snow that Buffalo embraces it.

Sure, and I think that there's there's there's something to the five feet of snow that Buffalo embraces it.

But let's be real, the Bills aren't practicing in that.

But let's be real, the Bills aren't practicing in that.

No, But I saw some people trying to make that arguments, like they get the advantagers they don't practice in that. You think the players unions let them practice in that. Hell no, that's why they all have these bubbles. Now, why they cry that they don't have great facilities for guys to practice in.

No, But I saw some people trying to make that arguments, like they get the advantagers they don't practice in that. You think the players unions let them practice in that. Hell no, that's why they all have these bubbles. Now, why they cry that they don't have great facilities for guys to practice in.

You you're a Chicago guy.

You you're a Chicago guy.

I'm a Wisconsin guy, and we know what winter is all about. And and my point to everybody who is loving these games is, you know, we're based in southern California, and I'm surrounded by all these Southern California natives who I'm like, yeah, it's awesome for you as well to watch this.

I'm a Wisconsin guy, and we know what winter is all about. And and my point to everybody who is loving these games is, you know, we're based in southern California, and I'm surrounded by all these Southern California natives who I'm like, yeah, it's awesome for you as well to watch this.

Be like this is great.

Be like this is great.

I go because then you can go outside to the park and do outside yoga. Ye you know, like you don't know the real struggle of what that actually is in the life of it, Like it's so unique because it's so foreign to you and your everyday life.

I go because then you can go outside to the park and do outside yoga. Ye you know, like you don't know the real struggle of what that actually is in the life of it, Like it's so unique because it's so foreign to you and your everyday life.

But there is a there is a different flip side.

But there is a there is a different flip side.

I'm like, do you understand the work that it goes in to try to go to a football game like that, not even only before the game, but even after the game and everything that comes with it.

I'm like, do you understand the work that it goes in to try to go to a football game like that, not even only before the game, but even after the game and everything that comes with it.

It's quite the chore. It is not easy.

It's quite the chore. It is not easy.

I wonder how much you know, I mean, twenty bucks an hour, plus the hot chocolate whatever else. I'm always curious how many people come diving in. I'd be one up and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna need an Allen jersey, yeah, or a raffle towards a helmet game experience. I'm happy to come shovel.

I wonder how much you know, I mean, twenty bucks an hour, plus the hot chocolate whatever else. I'm always curious how many people come diving in. I'd be one up and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna need an Allen jersey, yeah, or a raffle towards a helmet game experience. I'm happy to come shovel.

Give them one hundred bucks in the pro shop.

Give them one hundred bucks in the pro shop.

Yeah, you know, give me something a little extra juice beyond my twenty bucks an hour.

Yeah, you know, give me something a little extra juice beyond my twenty bucks an hour.

By the way, By the way, hot chocolate should not be advertised, like you should just assume that it's there.

By the way, By the way, hot chocolate should not be advertised, like you should just assume that it's there.

I'm assuming I'm getting coffee and dotcha yes, yes, and probably something off somebody's grill.

I'm assuming I'm getting coffee and dotcha yes, yes, and probably something off somebody's grill.

If I'm showing up to shovel snow for your ass.

If I'm showing up to shovel snow for your ass.

It shouldn't be a part of it. That should be the given aspect of it. But forty nine ers are in a heap of trouble.

It shouldn't be a part of it. That should be the given aspect of it. But forty nine ers are in a heap of trouble.

They play the Bears this week though, Oh Misery Bowl, how do you like that new coach? We're all fired up Jalen Johnson doing all his media rounds and then on the road at San Francisco.

They play the Bears this week though, Oh Misery Bowl, how do you like that new coach? We're all fired up Jalen Johnson doing all his media rounds and then on the road at San Francisco.

Well, it's and I would love to know what's going to happen, you know, in that scenario. Hopefully the weather conditions will be fine in the Bay Area and we can get a real true test of these two teams. But I'm curious to see how your bears respond in the post eberflus era as well, which is a topic a conversation heading into week fourteen.

Well, it's and I would love to know what's going to happen, you know, in that scenario. Hopefully the weather conditions will be fine in the Bay Area and we can get a real true test of these two teams. But I'm curious to see how your bears respond in the post eberflus era as well, which is a topic a conversation heading into week fourteen.

Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely like. Look, I pulled the press conference that they did on Monday with Poles and Kevin Warren. It might be one of the great comedies I've seen this year. So if you wanted to, if that can win an Emmy or some kind of Webby Award or something, put a laugh track to it. It's hilarious, you get. Poles asked a question about the hiring of Shane Waldron, which we've talked about a lot on the podcast and certainly on the network. There was eleven seconds of silence before he answered, they have not been in front of anybody since Thursday, Since before Thursday, right Friday, they said Eberflu's out there because they quote hadn't decided to fire him at that point. Maybe that was a little short sighted, is what they said. Ryot Poles looked like he'd rather be in anywhere else in the world. We joke about, you know, hey, what's the worst scenario you can find yourself in that someone turns a camera on you. That was it, because they asked him about Waldron. I was like, pause, pause, like I'm hearing crickets chirping. I'm here hearing you know, trucks in the back like whatever you want to add in as the sound effects, like just one after another. And then Kevin Warren doing all sorts of tap dancing ultimately to say, well, you know, Ryan Pole's gonna make the decision, Like no, no, you just talked about committees and everything else, and now you're basically setting this guy up as a fall guy, as the next guy to go. You want to talk about an empty suit situation, Dan, They might play for this coach, but I wouldn't think, to a man they've got any confidence that there's any real direction here.

Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely like. Look, I pulled the press conference that they did on Monday with Poles and Kevin Warren. It might be one of the great comedies I've seen this year. So if you wanted to, if that can win an Emmy or some kind of Webby Award or something, put a laugh track to it. It's hilarious, you get. Poles asked a question about the hiring of Shane Waldron, which we've talked about a lot on the podcast and certainly on the network. There was eleven seconds of silence before he answered, they have not been in front of anybody since Thursday, Since before Thursday, right Friday, they said Eberflu's out there because they quote hadn't decided to fire him at that point. Maybe that was a little short sighted, is what they said. Ryot Poles looked like he'd rather be in anywhere else in the world. We joke about, you know, hey, what's the worst scenario you can find yourself in that someone turns a camera on you. That was it, because they asked him about Waldron. I was like, pause, pause, like I'm hearing crickets chirping. I'm here hearing you know, trucks in the back like whatever you want to add in as the sound effects, like just one after another. And then Kevin Warren doing all sorts of tap dancing ultimately to say, well, you know, Ryan Pole's gonna make the decision, Like no, no, you just talked about committees and everything else, and now you're basically setting this guy up as a fall guy, as the next guy to go. You want to talk about an empty suit situation, Dan, They might play for this coach, but I wouldn't think, to a man they've got any confidence that there's any real direction here.

I know that you've lived this life, so I completely understand it. But so maybe I'll ask Ian, But Ian have you seen the TikTok of the guy explaining the Bears history of quarterback and head coach relationships. Have you seen this, I don't think so where they haven't had like a head coach in quarterback lineup in like twenty five years.

I know that you've lived this life, so I completely understand it. But so maybe I'll ask Ian, But Ian have you seen the TikTok of the guy explaining the Bears history of quarterback and head coach relationships. Have you seen this, I don't think so where they haven't had like a head coach in quarterback lineup in like twenty five years.

You mean, like they draft one and then they you know, hire a new head coach.

You mean, like they draft one and then they you know, hire a new head coach.

Yeah, and they draft so then the new.

Yeah, and they draft so then the new.

Head coach comes in and it's not his quarterback. And then so then they get a new quarterback, but then they fire the head coach. So they bringing a new head coach and that's not his quarterback.

Head coach comes in and it's not his quarterback. And then so then they get a new quarterback, but then they fire the head coach. So they bringing a new head coach and that's not his quarterback.

Half measures don't work. It's not a winning strategy.

Half measures don't work. It's not a winning strategy.

It's it's an endless cycle. It truly is, Mike, that is what your life is. And it could have ended last year. But they're like, nah, let's let's roll this bait. Let's keep this bad boy going.

It's it's an endless cycle. It truly is, Mike, that is what your life is. And it could have ended last year. But they're like, nah, let's let's roll this bait. Let's keep this bad boy going.

I told you the man had a year left on his contract.

I told you the man had a year left on his contract.

Yeah, And that was what.

Yeah, And that was what.

The scary part was with all of this train wreck stuff, you know, because it was the perfect bookend, Dan, because the end of game scenario for Caleb Williams was a hail Mary that was short of the end zone. So we didn't get the tip like a month ago.

The scary part was with all of this train wreck stuff, you know, because it was the perfect bookend, Dan, because the end of game scenario for Caleb Williams was a hail Mary that was short of the end zone. So we didn't get the tip like a month ago.

But you would have tackled at the two.

But you would have tackled at the two.

No. Right. But all of that to say is that there were some rumblings that he'd actually gotten an extension this offseason from now. Now. If that's true, then that makes the in season firing even that much more shocking. So, you know, the the joke I made about McCaskey giving out his phone number to people at the tailgates or something and then getting a bunch of calls about it might might be true, Hey, this guy's gotta go. But lack of accountability, all of that stuff, the Jalen Johnson report that we had from from Jay Glazer on Fox NFL Sunday, But all of it to say, you're a mess right now. Your defense has played terribly. I mean, I guess it was a good second half after getting run all over. You could say, well, we only gave up sixteen to the Lions and then only seven in the second half, Like, well what happened in that first half? Everybody wants to forget how horribly both sides of the ball played there. So yeah, the answer is I have no idea what this Sunday looks like. But I certainly have no confidence these guys will get it right when it's all said in the long term.

No. Right. But all of that to say is that there were some rumblings that he'd actually gotten an extension this offseason from now. Now. If that's true, then that makes the in season firing even that much more shocking. So, you know, the the joke I made about McCaskey giving out his phone number to people at the tailgates or something and then getting a bunch of calls about it might might be true, Hey, this guy's gotta go. But lack of accountability, all of that stuff, the Jalen Johnson report that we had from from Jay Glazer on Fox NFL Sunday, But all of it to say, you're a mess right now. Your defense has played terribly. I mean, I guess it was a good second half after getting run all over. You could say, well, we only gave up sixteen to the Lions and then only seven in the second half, Like, well what happened in that first half? Everybody wants to forget how horribly both sides of the ball played there. So yeah, the answer is I have no idea what this Sunday looks like. But I certainly have no confidence these guys will get it right when it's all said in the long term.

Yeah, and that's the the in the long term. I just don't know who. I don't know if they're gonna want to pay whoever the top candidate would be. I just I don't I don't see them opening up the wallets.

Yeah, and that's the the in the long term. I just don't know who. I don't know if they're gonna want to pay whoever the top candidate would be. I just I don't I don't see them opening up the wallets.

Is going to be your guy unless it's an abject failure.

Is going to be your guy unless it's an abject failure.

But do you think about the Cliff Kingsbury stuff because his relationship to Caleb, you know.

But do you think about the Cliff Kingsbury stuff because his relationship to Caleb, you know.

I think that looks pretty on the surface. Ye, And then I think when you go there and you talk to them and they feel that you should take a discount because you have a relationship with Caleb Williams, that that would that that would then preclude you from not taking the job.

I think that looks pretty on the surface. Ye, And then I think when you go there and you talk to them and they feel that you should take a discount because you have a relationship with Caleb Williams, that that would that that would then preclude you from not taking the job.

I'd stay away from him if I was them. But it's at least, you know, entertaining to think about, because you know, he did coach at USC when Caleb was there.

I'd stay away from him if I was them. But it's at least, you know, entertaining to think about, because you know, he did coach at USC when Caleb was there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Mean, it's it's the kick the can to your point, Dan, in this marketplace, I mean, how many openings are we going to see? Right, You've already got New Orleans, you might have New England, you might have Las.

Mean, it's it's the kick the can to your point, Dan, in this marketplace, I mean, how many openings are we going to see? Right, You've already got New Orleans, you might have New England, you might have Las.

Vegas, New York Jets, the Jets, the Giants.

Vegas, New York Jets, the Jets, the Giants.

Maybe yeah, you Jet, I think you'll love Jacksonville.

Maybe yeah, you Jet, I think you'll love Jacksonville.

Jacksonville. I mean that that's that to me is a if they fire Zach Taylor, you go hire Zach Taylor as long as he promises to coach the first two weeks of the season.

Jacksonville. I mean that that's that to me is a if they fire Zach Taylor, you go hire Zach Taylor as long as he promises to coach the first two weeks of the season.

Zach Taylor, like for some reason, Begos fans don't like him as a head coach. And I mean, I just like, you've got what you've got with Joe Burrow right now. I just I don't know why you'd want to want to split him up.

Zach Taylor, like for some reason, Begos fans don't like him as a head coach. And I mean, I just like, you've got what you've got with Joe Burrow right now. I just I don't know why you'd want to want to split him up.

But I mean, defensively, they disappeared this year and it's not his fault. Everybody got embroiled in contract crap.

But I mean, defensively, they disappeared this year and it's not his fault. Everybody got embroiled in contract crap.

Yeah right.

Yeah right.

And t Higgins we've talked about at a bunch. He's missed giant swathes of the last couple of seasons. Contract slash injury and if you can tell me all you want injury, Like I generally I'm one to just say, all right, if a guy's telling me he's hurt, I'm gonna take give him the benefit of the doubt, except when it gets that acrimonious. And you know, we could do all the Hey, this injury normally takes this and I get it. Guys have setbacks. What do you miss five games? Yeah, five six games or five plus parts of like some of it. Some you get to a point of you know, teams and guys you know looking out for number one and look, get your bag. I get that, But it totally disrupts opportunities and it always goes back to that same old equation of you never know how how long that window really truly is. So anybody that feels good when your team makes that one run and fall short, no, you should be pissed off because you may never see that again. Because things change very rapidly in this league.

And t Higgins we've talked about at a bunch. He's missed giant swathes of the last couple of seasons. Contract slash injury and if you can tell me all you want injury, Like I generally I'm one to just say, all right, if a guy's telling me he's hurt, I'm gonna take give him the benefit of the doubt, except when it gets that acrimonious. And you know, we could do all the Hey, this injury normally takes this and I get it. Guys have setbacks. What do you miss five games? Yeah, five six games or five plus parts of like some of it. Some you get to a point of you know, teams and guys you know looking out for number one and look, get your bag. I get that, But it totally disrupts opportunities and it always goes back to that same old equation of you never know how how long that window really truly is. So anybody that feels good when your team makes that one run and fall short, no, you should be pissed off because you may never see that again. Because things change very rapidly in this league.

Yes, yes they do.

Yes, yes they do.

I will put a bow this by saying, yeah, you're at three openings right now.

I will put a bow this by saying, yeah, you're at three openings right now.

I thought yesterday it'd be three more.

I thought yesterday it'd be three more.

And Jacksonville Giants and Dable and I think Mike McCarthy's done in Dallas. Those are the three that I think that will happen. So I think there will be six total. Now, there could be more that we don't see. I just don't I don't see. I don't see a change in Indianapolis considering what we've seen with Anthony Richardson. As of late, I think it would be a pretty quick move on from Shane Steiken hasn't completely gone off the board, but everywhere else I think is pretty set, you know, for I don't know if anybody who's that awful that they're moving off of anybody from one year. Maybe it would be the Raiders, if you're like, hey, let's put you know, our quarterback that we want to draft with a new head coach. Maybe that, But I don't, I don't. I don't think we're going to see that. I think Antonio Pierce is going to stick around for another year, but we shall see.

And Jacksonville Giants and Dable and I think Mike McCarthy's done in Dallas. Those are the three that I think that will happen. So I think there will be six total. Now, there could be more that we don't see. I just don't I don't see. I don't see a change in Indianapolis considering what we've seen with Anthony Richardson. As of late, I think it would be a pretty quick move on from Shane Steiken hasn't completely gone off the board, but everywhere else I think is pretty set, you know, for I don't know if anybody who's that awful that they're moving off of anybody from one year. Maybe it would be the Raiders, if you're like, hey, let's put you know, our quarterback that we want to draft with a new head coach. Maybe that, But I don't, I don't. I don't think we're going to see that. I think Antonio Pierce is going to stick around for another year, but we shall see.

As they continue to spiral. How much did Dionne Sanders and Shoulder Sanders like that situation? Well, the Pierce is there, I guess, is the question.

As they continue to spiral. How much did Dionne Sanders and Shoulder Sanders like that situation? Well, the Pierce is there, I guess, is the question.

Yeah, I'm not too sure, but it sure seems like they're a match made, that's for sure.