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All right, it's Week twelve of the NFL season.

All right, it's Week twelve of the NFL season.

The six buys on your schedule or something that got it under our skin. But instead of looking ahead to the matchups Michael Levis rankings in our next episode and hot plays and whatnot, we talk about the bigger issues surrounding the National Football League. We'll dive into something that's been missing this year. Plus we have some forty nine ers talk to get to. But we have to start out with Mike Chicago Bears. Now that some time has kind of gone past, Mike from the loss on Sunday, where do you stand with your beloved hometown team.

The six buys on your schedule or something that got it under our skin. But instead of looking ahead to the matchups Michael Levis rankings in our next episode and hot plays and whatnot, we talk about the bigger issues surrounding the National Football League. We'll dive into something that's been missing this year. Plus we have some forty nine ers talk to get to. But we have to start out with Mike Chicago Bears. Now that some time has kind of gone past, Mike from the loss on Sunday, where do you stand with your beloved hometown team.

Well, frustration mounted expectations are always a dangerous thing, and I think I was real about it and looking at the division that it was going to be a tough climb and that you know, Minnesota was going to be better than they were given credit for, and they have been a good balance. It's not going to be sexy and pretty, and yes, Sam Darnold, some folks still have a distaste. Like last episode when we were talking about with Gino Smith, some folks just can't let some of the past get away from them. But with the Bears, at least in the game against Green Bay, you saw a semblance of an offense that had a direction and purpose, whether it stemmed from Caleb Williams, as Jay Galaizer reported on our Fox NFL Sunday, getting in front of the squad and saying, hey, some of this is on me, whether it's film review or just taking a long walk on the beach, recognizing because there are our beaches in Chicago that you can go walk along the lake front there and figure out, hey, I need to be better here here here. DJ Moore has been so everybody's been salty, everybody's calling out coaches. The Eberflus thing is something that won't go away, because here's another game that was a potential win that by coaching scared.

Well, frustration mounted expectations are always a dangerous thing, and I think I was real about it and looking at the division that it was going to be a tough climb and that you know, Minnesota was going to be better than they were given credit for, and they have been a good balance. It's not going to be sexy and pretty, and yes, Sam Darnold, some folks still have a distaste. Like last episode when we were talking about with Gino Smith, some folks just can't let some of the past get away from them. But with the Bears, at least in the game against Green Bay, you saw a semblance of an offense that had a direction and purpose, whether it stemmed from Caleb Williams, as Jay Galaizer reported on our Fox NFL Sunday, getting in front of the squad and saying, hey, some of this is on me, whether it's film review or just taking a long walk on the beach, recognizing because there are our beaches in Chicago that you can go walk along the lake front there and figure out, hey, I need to be better here here here. DJ Moore has been so everybody's been salty, everybody's calling out coaches. The Eberflus thing is something that won't go away, because here's another game that was a potential win that by coaching scared.

Yeah, coaching scared.

Yeah, coaching scared.

That's the thing that bugs me about it, and that it was backed up by so many luminaries that wanted to wag their fingers at us, from Kurt Warner on down. It's like, all right, if I'm coaching because of and I make a decision off of what seems to be a fairly elemental play that here's all the stuff that go wrong, I should just walk away, right if I need what's my best play for a three yard sure game.

That's the thing that bugs me about it, and that it was backed up by so many luminaries that wanted to wag their fingers at us, from Kurt Warner on down. It's like, all right, if I'm coaching because of and I make a decision off of what seems to be a fairly elemental play that here's all the stuff that go wrong, I should just walk away, right if I need what's my best play for a three yard sure game.

We don't have one of those for a four yard like that.

We don't have one of those for a four yard like that.

That's essentially what he said an offense that it operated efficiently all day. Look, Cale Williams still has lots of room to grow. We've talked about this ad nauseum for weeks. I don't think he's as far off as some do. I don't think he's as accomplished and ready to go somewhere in the between. We've got to figure out. Oh yeah, Ryan Poles and company, figure out the guts of your squad.

That's essentially what he said an offense that it operated efficiently all day. Look, Cale Williams still has lots of room to grow. We've talked about this ad nauseum for weeks. I don't think he's as far off as some do. I don't think he's as accomplished and ready to go somewhere in the between. We've got to figure out. Oh yeah, Ryan Poles and company, figure out the guts of your squad.

You know.

You know.

One of the things that happened this week, guys, is they cut an alignment who they signed to a three year, thirty million dollars deal before this season. How many people do you think argued about that on national radio?

One of the things that happened this week, guys, is they cut an alignment who they signed to a three year, thirty million dollars deal before this season. How many people do you think argued about that on national radio?

This guy, that's it.

This guy, that's it.

You cut a guy you gave ten million dollars a year in week eleven of a season, and it wasn't afterte like, you don't think that's part of the overriding.

You cut a guy you gave ten million dollars a year in week eleven of a season, and it wasn't afterte like, you don't think that's part of the overriding.

Problems of what you're having. But you know to say it.

Problems of what you're having. But you know to say it.

You know, Williams goes twenty three to thirty one. They move the ball and you can pick a you know, different drives and just say he hit this mark, He hit this mark, he ran for seventy yards. Right, was more we're confident of saying all right, I'm gonna go, as opposed to continuing to dance and then eventually taking a sack, as we've saw him do as recently as last week against the Patriots. Right, instead of just saying all right, nothing's here, go, trying to go through whatever, all the criticism. I could just hear the talking heads in his voice. He holds the ball too long, he tries to be hero ball. He does all of that stuff paralyzed by the analysis like the here's the second game this year that Eberflus took away that could have been won. You go back to Washington not to relitigate it, like telling me that that fifteen yard pass play didn't matter. Might be the dump that was fireable in the moment. Yeah, like he should have He shouldn't have said another word on a microphone. That should have been the end of you. When you saw a guy in Jaden Daniels who was having trouble throwing a ball down field because of the sore ribs. And even on that final hail, Mary didn't get the ball to the end zone. It took a perfect tip of what seven yards in the air into the end zone for Brown to catch it. This time you got a forty six yarder. And now everybody's saying, well, there was the obvious you know, issues and deficiencies, and yes we're going to file a complaint with the league for what happened to our long snapper.

You know, Williams goes twenty three to thirty one. They move the ball and you can pick a you know, different drives and just say he hit this mark, He hit this mark, he ran for seventy yards. Right, was more we're confident of saying all right, I'm gonna go, as opposed to continuing to dance and then eventually taking a sack, as we've saw him do as recently as last week against the Patriots. Right, instead of just saying all right, nothing's here, go, trying to go through whatever, all the criticism. I could just hear the talking heads in his voice. He holds the ball too long, he tries to be hero ball. He does all of that stuff paralyzed by the analysis like the here's the second game this year that Eberflus took away that could have been won. You go back to Washington not to relitigate it, like telling me that that fifteen yard pass play didn't matter. Might be the dump that was fireable in the moment. Yeah, like he should have He shouldn't have said another word on a microphone. That should have been the end of you. When you saw a guy in Jaden Daniels who was having trouble throwing a ball down field because of the sore ribs. And even on that final hail, Mary didn't get the ball to the end zone. It took a perfect tip of what seven yards in the air into the end zone for Brown to catch it. This time you got a forty six yarder. And now everybody's saying, well, there was the obvious you know, issues and deficiencies, and yes we're going to file a complaint with the league for what happened to our long snapper.

Get the hell out of here.

Get the hell out of here.

Makes it worse, right, like all of.

Makes it worse, right, like all of.

This stuff to say you have you don't have a play in your bag. This guy's called a great game. Brown had called a great game that you didn't trust him. This guy you elevated to go get you four yards or five yards to make it an easier kick with a better trajectory and easier run up and leave it to chance with time on the clock and a timeout in your pocket. Now, we've seen it too many times with this guy, and that's multiple times that he leaves the field with timeouts. Yes, that that could have been used for for good.

This stuff to say you have you don't have a play in your bag. This guy's called a great game. Brown had called a great game that you didn't trust him. This guy you elevated to go get you four yards or five yards to make it an easier kick with a better trajectory and easier run up and leave it to chance with time on the clock and a timeout in your pocket. Now, we've seen it too many times with this guy, and that's multiple times that he leaves the field with timeouts. Yes, that that could have been used for for good.

See I got my wicked deadline in for the week.

See I got my wicked deadline in for the week.

Well, that's the other part of it.

Well, that's the other part of it.

And I think that your callback to the commander's game is so important because of just giving that play up. I had, as a non Bears fan, had the same emotions as so many people did about settling for the field goal and your point about Kurt Warner and saying, well, what about if they lost two yards and blah blah blah. It's not even necessarily that, Mike. The The problem that I really also had with all this or was another layer of that shows you, like Matt Eberflus and the Bears told on themselves, was when they were working the clock that they just ended up calling the timeout with three seconds left or four seconds left, because you had thirty seconds. You could have just spiked it at that time. Yeah, ran your field goal unit on and then you still have the timeout because the timeout is there and I've seen other teams do this. I've actually never seen it in play, but I've heard many a broadcaster, many an analyst say, if you have a bad snap, or if something happens, at least you have the timeout, or if you like, kick it on second down so if something goes wrong, you can kick it again. And I thought the holder who's at Taylor, the punter that was holding, didn't get it right away, like there was a pause or a bit of a bobble, which I think through some of the timing off. But that's the scenario where if you had a timeout, he could have just ate the ball and called time out at that point and then you're still kicking again. But I think it threw some of the timing off. But just the fact that they didn't line up and spike the football, they just waited for it to run down and call the timeout and use their final timeout when they they didn't necessarily had to. It was like, Okay, maybe they're playing checkers and other people are playing chess.

And I think that your callback to the commander's game is so important because of just giving that play up. I had, as a non Bears fan, had the same emotions as so many people did about settling for the field goal and your point about Kurt Warner and saying, well, what about if they lost two yards and blah blah blah. It's not even necessarily that, Mike. The The problem that I really also had with all this or was another layer of that shows you, like Matt Eberflus and the Bears told on themselves, was when they were working the clock that they just ended up calling the timeout with three seconds left or four seconds left, because you had thirty seconds. You could have just spiked it at that time. Yeah, ran your field goal unit on and then you still have the timeout because the timeout is there and I've seen other teams do this. I've actually never seen it in play, but I've heard many a broadcaster, many an analyst say, if you have a bad snap, or if something happens, at least you have the timeout, or if you like, kick it on second down so if something goes wrong, you can kick it again. And I thought the holder who's at Taylor, the punter that was holding, didn't get it right away, like there was a pause or a bit of a bobble, which I think through some of the timing off. But that's the scenario where if you had a timeout, he could have just ate the ball and called time out at that point and then you're still kicking again. But I think it threw some of the timing off. But just the fact that they didn't line up and spike the football, they just waited for it to run down and call the timeout and use their final timeout when they they didn't necessarily had to. It was like, Okay, maybe they're playing checkers and other people are playing chess.

I just thought they kind of on themselves in that scenario.

I just thought they kind of on themselves in that scenario.

Yeah, it's just another great example. Like I called it loser ball, and I'll keep going it loser ball, Like, if you're your whole thing is what's the expected value of a run forward? That that's really what we that's all this comes down to, right down distance. We want to go into analytics and whatever. It's the expected value is not negative to or a fumble lost. Yeah, on a basic run play with Roshan Johnson behind an offensive line, guess what they'd rather run block than be dancing Bears in pass coverage. Sure, and yes we're actually talking about the Bears, so that's kind of funny, but legitimately, push forward, give me one play. I need one play from you to get three yards and to set it up for this guy on the right hash mark on the right spot whatever. And you're gutless, and you're absolutely gutless about it. And then your post game explanation followed by the following day's media stuff is all doubling down on a negative expectation, saying, well, they're probably gonna be better than us on that play.

Yeah, it's just another great example. Like I called it loser ball, and I'll keep going it loser ball, Like, if you're your whole thing is what's the expected value of a run forward? That that's really what we that's all this comes down to, right down distance. We want to go into analytics and whatever. It's the expected value is not negative to or a fumble lost. Yeah, on a basic run play with Roshan Johnson behind an offensive line, guess what they'd rather run block than be dancing Bears in pass coverage. Sure, and yes we're actually talking about the Bears, so that's kind of funny, but legitimately, push forward, give me one play. I need one play from you to get three yards and to set it up for this guy on the right hash mark on the right spot whatever. And you're gutless, and you're absolutely gutless about it. And then your post game explanation followed by the following day's media stuff is all doubling down on a negative expectation, saying, well, they're probably gonna be better than us on that play.

How dare you like that?

How dare you like that?

It just defends my And that's not if I do this friandy coach that went up and said that kind of thing, right, It just defends my sensibility as a guy who's watched football. You do the Red Zone radio work with Carrie Rhodes on Sunday. I mean you you love the game as much as I do, no matter who the coach is. They go up and talk like that about a situation where winning is in the offing by executing one play, and you're basically saying my team's not good enough to do it.

It just defends my And that's not if I do this friandy coach that went up and said that kind of thing, right, It just defends my sensibility as a guy who's watched football. You do the Red Zone radio work with Carrie Rhodes on Sunday. I mean you you love the game as much as I do, no matter who the coach is. They go up and talk like that about a situation where winning is in the offing by executing one play, and you're basically saying my team's not good enough to do it.

Come on, yeah, it's awful. Look awful. Look.

Come on, yeah, it's awful. Look awful. Look.

I wish I was in the NFL office as the complaint came in, like, hey, Rock, did you get at this?

I wish I was in the NFL office as the complaint came in, like, hey, Rock, did you get at this?

And the Bears.

And the Bears.

Send an the customary rubber stamped letter on the shiny stationary.

Send an the customary rubber stamped letter on the shiny stationary.

The apparently the Bears want us to change the outcome because their center got hit, the long snapper got hit. Yeah, I just such a bad look. And by the way, it all comes back to hard knocks too. Where wasn't it all about looks? You know, Maddi Eberflus and the beard and the you know, the new look Bears.

The apparently the Bears want us to change the outcome because their center got hit, the long snapper got hit. Yeah, I just such a bad look. And by the way, it all comes back to hard knocks too. Where wasn't it all about looks? You know, Maddi Eberflus and the beard and the you know, the new look Bears.

He talked about it then, yeah, talk about it now. Those were the big big takeaways. DJ Moore got paid a lot of money. They went to some ice cream place that they shoved everybody else out of the ice cream museum for he and his family to walk around.

He talked about it then, yeah, talk about it now. Those were the big big takeaways. DJ Moore got paid a lot of money. They went to some ice cream place that they shoved everybody else out of the ice cream museum for he and his family to walk around.

Yeah, the great moment.

Yeah, the great moment.

And then Matt Eberfleus, you know, taking his wife's advice to look the part and look better on camera.

And then Matt Eberfleus, you know, taking his wife's advice to look the part and look better on camera.

That's it. Those were your takeaways from Hard Knocks.

That's it. Those were your takeaways from Hard Knocks.

By the way, with the Giants and Bears seasons, the way they're turning out, no one is going to want to do Hard Knocks next year.

By the way, with the Giants and Bears seasons, the way they're turning out, no one is going to want to do Hard Knocks next year.

Well, they're going to argue, this is why we never want to do Yeah.

Well, they're going to argue, this is why we never want to do Yeah.

Yeah, I actually feel bad.

Yeah, I actually feel bad.

That's It's why I support Joe Shane and the Giants so much, because I thought I hated the idea at first, and then I just I absolutely fell in love with the show because of how it played out.

That's It's why I support Joe Shane and the Giants so much, because I thought I hated the idea at first, and then I just I absolutely fell in love with the show because of how it played out.

But that's why I will defend him.

But that's why I will defend him.

Like their problem was giving Daniel Jones the contract and then they had to live with it. So the off season that we saw play out, they made the decision they had to make. The Giants are on a playoff team with Saquon Barkley wouldn't have an offensive line.

Like their problem was giving Daniel Jones the contract and then they had to live with it. So the off season that we saw play out, they made the decision they had to make. The Giants are on a playoff team with Saquon Barkley wouldn't have an offensive line.

It just it wouldn't. It wouldn't happens.

It just it wouldn't. It wouldn't happens.

Getting hurt certainly doesn't help, no, but yeah, yeah.

Getting hurt certainly doesn't help, no, but yeah, yeah.

And so they tried to address it in certain ways. They you know, got Malik Neighbors to play maker they wanted and and if you if you drafted Jayden Daniels, Uh, you know, he's not having the success that he's having with the Giants that he's having with the Commanders. So I think all of those things are fair, fair comments to say. But Joe incomes under heavy criticism because he lets in the Giants, let people in, you know, behind closed doors, and now I think it's going to taint their reputation, which is too bad.

And so they tried to address it in certain ways. They you know, got Malik Neighbors to play maker they wanted and and if you if you drafted Jayden Daniels, Uh, you know, he's not having the success that he's having with the Giants that he's having with the Commanders. So I think all of those things are fair, fair comments to say. But Joe incomes under heavy criticism because he lets in the Giants, let people in, you know, behind closed doors, and now I think it's going to taint their reputation, which is too bad.

Yeah, really is.

Yeah, really is.

In the end, it's you know, his son comes off as a better GM is what people are going to take from.

In the end, it's you know, his son comes off as a better GM is what people are going to take from.

It as well.

It as well.

But yeah, I mean the Jones contract, you wanted stability, right, you looked around and said, all right, he's shown us a little bit. Another year with Dable, I guess what, it didn't work out the gate and then he gets hurt with a pretty severe injury, right, Like that's the thing to being lost in this was he didn't go down with a twisted ankle last year. Sure like he battled back from something. And it's not to excuse it, right, he's not good. I mean, there's just no way to cut through it, but yeah, it hamstrung every other decision. And you know, we joked about it a little bit, and we have dan, you and I in the past, Like go back to the twenty eighteen draft. They take him number two overall. Quarterback that got drafted to the first round with the exception of Rosen is still playing and playing really well.

But yeah, I mean the Jones contract, you wanted stability, right, you looked around and said, all right, he's shown us a little bit. Another year with Dable, I guess what, it didn't work out the gate and then he gets hurt with a pretty severe injury, right, Like that's the thing to being lost in this was he didn't go down with a twisted ankle last year. Sure like he battled back from something. And it's not to excuse it, right, he's not good. I mean, there's just no way to cut through it, but yeah, it hamstrung every other decision. And you know, we joked about it a little bit, and we have dan, you and I in the past, Like go back to the twenty eighteen draft. They take him number two overall. Quarterback that got drafted to the first round with the exception of Rosen is still playing and playing really well.

Yeah, it's I mean, jeez, what can you do? Even Sam Donald turned his career around.

Yeah, it's I mean, jeez, what can you do? Even Sam Donald turned his career around.

Well, you just need to get the Jet stink off.

Well, you just need to get the Jet stink off.

Sorry man, all right, both for he and Gino took a couple of stops in a lot of years, and here we are.

Sorry man, all right, both for he and Gino took a couple of stops in a lot of years, and here we are.

Well, the argument then was, and I remember and there was a long time NFL writer who does a really good job in talking about that and said, you're gonna have Saquon Barkley for a max of eight years, while the Jets are going to have Sam Donald for twice that much. And that's why the Giants made the wrong decision in taking Saquon Barkley. Hindsight is twenty twenty with everything. But I do remember that being said. So we'll not say the name of the reporter. I will keep that off the record. Hey, we've all made our stupid comments, so I don't want to hold it to the person who said that.

Well, the argument then was, and I remember and there was a long time NFL writer who does a really good job in talking about that and said, you're gonna have Saquon Barkley for a max of eight years, while the Jets are going to have Sam Donald for twice that much. And that's why the Giants made the wrong decision in taking Saquon Barkley. Hindsight is twenty twenty with everything. But I do remember that being said. So we'll not say the name of the reporter. I will keep that off the record. Hey, we've all made our stupid comments, so I don't want to hold it to the person who said that.

So anyway, all right, I.

So anyway, all right, I.

Say a lot of things. I'll wear it. Dan, I've never said anything.

Say a lot of things. I'll wear it. Dan, I've never said anything.

No, Ian is not absolutely even when he started Kyler Murray and his bye week in our Guillotine League, he still had.

No, Ian is not absolutely even when he started Kyler Murray and his bye week in our Guillotine League, he still had.

The perfect answer on the comeback.

The perfect answer on the comeback.

So anyway, still survived.

So anyway, still survived.

Dan, Yes, he's still alive.

Dan, Yes, he's still alive.

Now.

Now.

I want to see the lineup of that got cut as the guy who's been out for a.

I want to see the lineup of that got cut as the guy who's been out for a.

Co Big Mike's ballers got cut?

Co Big Mike's ballers got cut?

Really yeah, yes, but not talking so loud this year, huh. I might have to send him a note now an interested observer Bill in Kansas City.

Really yeah, yes, but not talking so loud this year, huh. I might have to send him a note now an interested observer Bill in Kansas City.

Good, good callback it is. I want your flex. He'z Mike Carmon. That's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Bayer.

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What's wrong with the San Francisco forty nine ers and what's missing in the NFL that's next year and I want your flex? Welcome back to I want your flex before we get to what's missing in the league. He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy's our executive producer. We do want to talk a little bit about the forty nine Ers, many people still waiting for them to turn it around. Didn't have George Kittle against the Seahawks. He's expected to try to battle and play in Week twelve against Green Bay, but now brock Perty's got a shoulder issue. He's day to day. Christian McCaffrey did have almost eighty yards rushing against the Seahawks, but not the Christian McCaffrey that people would expect, and not the offense that people would expect with the San Francisco forty nine ers. Where are you on the Niners and their offensive weapons when it comes to fantasy football?

What's wrong with the San Francisco forty nine ers and what's missing in the NFL that's next year and I want your flex? Welcome back to I want your flex before we get to what's missing in the league. He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy's our executive producer. We do want to talk a little bit about the forty nine Ers, many people still waiting for them to turn it around. Didn't have George Kittle against the Seahawks. He's expected to try to battle and play in Week twelve against Green Bay, but now brock Perty's got a shoulder issue. He's day to day. Christian McCaffrey did have almost eighty yards rushing against the Seahawks, but not the Christian McCaffrey that people would expect, and not the offense that people would expect with the San Francisco forty nine ers. Where are you on the Niners and their offensive weapons when it comes to fantasy football?

Mind stuff?

Mind stuff?

Rud right now, Dan, I mean, obviously McCaffrey when he plays, we get our expectation that we're in those mid teens or higher for touches. So you're gonna play him and you're gonna wish. Oh, but you know, the ceiling obviously crashed far down from where.

Rud right now, Dan, I mean, obviously McCaffrey when he plays, we get our expectation that we're in those mid teens or higher for touches. So you're gonna play him and you're gonna wish. Oh, but you know, the ceiling obviously crashed far down from where.

We are seeing.

We are seeing.

It all comes back to that damn Dallas stadium. The you know when we draft him first, second, or third overall, depending on settings or fear of a breakdown, that it's now the all right, I need eighty to one hundred total yards, and I hope for a touchdown, and if I'm in the PPR league, I'm going to assume he's getting five to seven targets. How many catches out of there, I don't know, but that ceiling is much lower, and I'll be surprised. As for everybody else, the only other guy that really on a week to week basis you've been able to count on is Kittle, And I hang a star on Juwan Jennings for a second, but Kittle went healthy and available still rates among your top tight ends not named Taysom Hill. See what they did there. We got Taysom Hill into the discussion. But I mean Deebo Samuel's got thirty three catches, Jennings eight games, forty two, some big plays all over the field. And that was the one thing you got to see on Sunday a little against the Seahawks, is you know that you can work him in the red zone, make a big play down field. He sticks the landing on the Hey, let's move those chains. So a guy who I've become more and more impressed with, but Brandon Ayux an afterthought. When he does play right, he's basically running windsprints at this point. Yeah, that'll get back to him and I don't want to come and get me. But you know, all of that to say, none of those guys are automatic starters right now. I guess Jennings is a back end too. But otherwise I'm doing a lot of wishing and hoping. And you look at rock Party completing about two thirds of his past attempts to sixty one a week, but only thirteen touchdowns in ten games. That's not getting it done. Yeah, he's got four rushing touchdowns that help save it. But as you mentioned now, he's banged up. So how much of my trust in him? At least, you know, the next week or two, you've got a big game against Green.

It all comes back to that damn Dallas stadium. The you know when we draft him first, second, or third overall, depending on settings or fear of a breakdown, that it's now the all right, I need eighty to one hundred total yards, and I hope for a touchdown, and if I'm in the PPR league, I'm going to assume he's getting five to seven targets. How many catches out of there, I don't know, but that ceiling is much lower, and I'll be surprised. As for everybody else, the only other guy that really on a week to week basis you've been able to count on is Kittle, And I hang a star on Juwan Jennings for a second, but Kittle went healthy and available still rates among your top tight ends not named Taysom Hill. See what they did there. We got Taysom Hill into the discussion. But I mean Deebo Samuel's got thirty three catches, Jennings eight games, forty two, some big plays all over the field. And that was the one thing you got to see on Sunday a little against the Seahawks, is you know that you can work him in the red zone, make a big play down field. He sticks the landing on the Hey, let's move those chains. So a guy who I've become more and more impressed with, but Brandon Ayux an afterthought. When he does play right, he's basically running windsprints at this point. Yeah, that'll get back to him and I don't want to come and get me. But you know, all of that to say, none of those guys are automatic starters right now. I guess Jennings is a back end too. But otherwise I'm doing a lot of wishing and hoping. And you look at rock Party completing about two thirds of his past attempts to sixty one a week, but only thirteen touchdowns in ten games. That's not getting it done. Yeah, he's got four rushing touchdowns that help save it. But as you mentioned now, he's banged up. So how much of my trust in him? At least, you know, the next week or two, you've got a big game against Green.

Bay and guess what they get after you?

Bay and guess what they get after you?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Right.

Right.

I mean we've used them in terms of looking at streaming D's a number of times. Here's another spot. If he's banged up, you know it's you know he's feast because he's putting balls up in harm's way.

I mean we've used them in terms of looking at streaming D's a number of times. Here's another spot. If he's banged up, you know it's you know he's feast because he's putting balls up in harm's way.

There's just there's something that's off with them. The explosive games that they've had, they've not been there. They looked good against Ian's Jets in the opener, put some points up against the Patriots, and then on Thursday night against the Seahawks. They had a game and when they ran the ball really well because the Seahawks just had an awful night stopping the run. He had the big Grendo run at the end of the game, which inflated some of the stats. But they really have just been, I don't want to say an average team, but that's what they feel like they are. Yeah, so that's and Deebo's Deebo's tricks a couple of years ago when he was the MVP. Like, those big plays aren't there right now. I don't know why they don't you Jordan Mason more right, I just it's just it almost seems like it's arrogance. And I know, like maybe Kyle Shannon is saying, Christian McCaffrey's our best option. He's fully healthy, let's get him the football. But you know, he hadn't played for the first half of the season. At least there was some continuity with Jordan Mason, and he's been persona on grata. I mean, he's not not getting any attempts, which is just it doesn't make a lot of sense to.

There's just there's something that's off with them. The explosive games that they've had, they've not been there. They looked good against Ian's Jets in the opener, put some points up against the Patriots, and then on Thursday night against the Seahawks. They had a game and when they ran the ball really well because the Seahawks just had an awful night stopping the run. He had the big Grendo run at the end of the game, which inflated some of the stats. But they really have just been, I don't want to say an average team, but that's what they feel like they are. Yeah, so that's and Deebo's Deebo's tricks a couple of years ago when he was the MVP. Like, those big plays aren't there right now. I don't know why they don't you Jordan Mason more right, I just it's just it almost seems like it's arrogance. And I know, like maybe Kyle Shannon is saying, Christian McCaffrey's our best option. He's fully healthy, let's get him the football. But you know, he hadn't played for the first half of the season. At least there was some continuity with Jordan Mason, and he's been persona on grata. I mean, he's not not getting any attempts, which is just it doesn't make a lot of sense to.

Me that you would do that.

Me that you would do that.

I get the value of McCaffrey but now the value of McCaffrey to you as the team is really in the playoffs. So why don't you just have him carry the ball twelve times a game and give Mason eight carries?

I get the value of McCaffrey but now the value of McCaffrey to you as the team is really in the playoffs. So why don't you just have him carry the ball twelve times a game and give Mason eight carries?

They're just, yeah, something seems off.

They're just, yeah, something seems off.

Rock Perty maybe tried to do more with his legs now, and now that he's dinged up, I'm not sure how that's gonna happen. But yeah, to say the forty nine ers is mediocre or our mediocre as fantasy options, I think that's where we are right now.

Rock Perty maybe tried to do more with his legs now, and now that he's dinged up, I'm not sure how that's gonna happen. But yeah, to say the forty nine ers is mediocre or our mediocre as fantasy options, I think that's where we are right now.

Mason had a run of at least twenty two yards in six different style arts, average five point one yards per carry. Going back to the earlier conversation about Eva Flus, the Bears and everything else, if I've got an expected value creeping towards upper four yards per carry, boy, that makes life much easier for brock Purty on second and third down, now, wasn't it? And go on down the line, and they finally got Trent Williams back this week, who made mediocre offensive lineman better. Sure, right, it's just the way you know they bring the star back. It lifts the boats a little bit. But all of that to say for fantasy purposes tough sledding right now to really trust anybody unless you're looking at flexworthy plays or in this case, you got six teams on buy in week twelve. We'll do it again in week fourteen. We'll find guys back into the line up there. But otherwise the trust effect is gone. The thing that may help you offensively though, is if Bosa does miss time with the oblique, maybe the defense is a little more deflated, which means you've got to get in some shootouts, but that remains to be seen.

Mason had a run of at least twenty two yards in six different style arts, average five point one yards per carry. Going back to the earlier conversation about Eva Flus, the Bears and everything else, if I've got an expected value creeping towards upper four yards per carry, boy, that makes life much easier for brock Purty on second and third down, now, wasn't it? And go on down the line, and they finally got Trent Williams back this week, who made mediocre offensive lineman better. Sure, right, it's just the way you know they bring the star back. It lifts the boats a little bit. But all of that to say for fantasy purposes tough sledding right now to really trust anybody unless you're looking at flexworthy plays or in this case, you got six teams on buy in week twelve. We'll do it again in week fourteen. We'll find guys back into the line up there. But otherwise the trust effect is gone. The thing that may help you offensively though, is if Bosa does miss time with the oblique, maybe the defense is a little more deflated, which means you've got to get in some shootouts, but that remains to be seen.

The other point they're with that defense, Mike, with the forty nine ers defense that used to get you off the field or forced turnovers. You don't have that anymore. And it's just as well. So now the Seahawks really can't run the football. They have a bad offensive line. It's not working right now, and the forty nine Ers took care of their time of possession. But the forty nine ers inabilities on defense also allow teams to stick around. And you know how bad they've been in the second half is music to the ears of many, and I think it's just an all around step down from their play that are the reason why.

The other point they're with that defense, Mike, with the forty nine ers defense that used to get you off the field or forced turnovers. You don't have that anymore. And it's just as well. So now the Seahawks really can't run the football. They have a bad offensive line. It's not working right now, and the forty nine Ers took care of their time of possession. But the forty nine ers inabilities on defense also allow teams to stick around. And you know how bad they've been in the second half is music to the ears of many, and I think it's just an all around step down from their play that are the reason why.

They're losing games. And they're losing like.

They're losing games. And they're losing like.

This, and why maybe their guys aren't, you know, developing in the fantasy world.

This, and why maybe their guys aren't, you know, developing in the fantasy world.

Like these stadium roof at at and t trying to close it that championship window.

Like these stadium roof at at and t trying to close it that championship window.

Let's close this podcast with some numbers that you wanted to pass along and dive into what is missing in the NFL in twenty twenty.

Let's close this podcast with some numbers that you wanted to pass along and dive into what is missing in the NFL in twenty twenty.

Four, just kind of the curiosity right as you're going week to week and you're looking at big performances, right, some of it for the scorecard, but trying to figure out some angles and correlations or causations or excuses as it were. And we've celebrated the return of the running back, right, we had twelve hundred yard rushers in Week eleven of the NFL season. So that's all exciting. But I on the other side, in a league where we've talked about offense so much and the rules are changing and all of these grandiose performances, it's like, where are the three hundred yard games this year?

Four, just kind of the curiosity right as you're going week to week and you're looking at big performances, right, some of it for the scorecard, but trying to figure out some angles and correlations or causations or excuses as it were. And we've celebrated the return of the running back, right, we had twelve hundred yard rushers in Week eleven of the NFL season. So that's all exciting. But I on the other side, in a league where we've talked about offense so much and the rules are changing and all of these grandiose performances, it's like, where are the three hundred yard games this year?

Right?

Right?

We look at the grid of the games just passed, and yes, Cooper Rush gets credit for one, so good for him. But on the year to this point in the season, there are three players who've had four three hundred yard games. Joe Burrow because the defense stinks and he's chasing a week and week Baker Mayfield secondary got hurt early on they were cruising, but then now their secondary gets hurt and defensively they're not the same. So again chasing a bit, your guy Geno Smith. You talk about the run game, et cetera, and defense.

We look at the grid of the games just passed, and yes, Cooper Rush gets credit for one, so good for him. But on the year to this point in the season, there are three players who've had four three hundred yard games. Joe Burrow because the defense stinks and he's chasing a week and week Baker Mayfield secondary got hurt early on they were cruising, but then now their secondary gets hurt and defensively they're not the same. So again chasing a bit, your guy Geno Smith. You talk about the run game, et cetera, and defense.

The defense stinks. Notice a pattern here.

The defense stinks. Notice a pattern here.

So those three are the guys with four, and then you got Jared Goff's got three. Looking at the same time. Last year, coming through week eleven, Rock Perdy had his third, to a Tongue of Biloa had his fifth.

So those three are the guys with four, and then you got Jared Goff's got three. Looking at the same time. Last year, coming through week eleven, Rock Perdy had his third, to a Tongue of Biloa had his fifth.

CJ.

CJ.

Stroud already had his fifth in week ten of last year, you had seven different quarterbacks with three hundred yard games. We had we had a week earlier. This year it was Gino Smith in week nine. He was the only guy that had one. Not often do you see you know, outliers like that. Yeah, going back to last year, it's like six here, seven there for the season. If you go all the way down to you know, week seven, Week seventeen, Week eighteen, you've got a number of quarterbacks at five or Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford got all the you know, we're creeping towards five and six at the end of the year. You've mentioned Joe Flacco winging and around for good and for bad. Right, the positive that he had the yardage was there, he turned the ball over a ton whatever. But you know we saw more in the past game and this year it's it's waned a little bit. And so you know when we have our fantasy you know scale, when we jump on to something right zero running back strategies, Hey, I need all my wide receivers.

Stroud already had his fifth in week ten of last year, you had seven different quarterbacks with three hundred yard games. We had we had a week earlier. This year it was Gino Smith in week nine. He was the only guy that had one. Not often do you see you know, outliers like that. Yeah, going back to last year, it's like six here, seven there for the season. If you go all the way down to you know, week seven, Week seventeen, Week eighteen, you've got a number of quarterbacks at five or Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford got all the you know, we're creeping towards five and six at the end of the year. You've mentioned Joe Flacco winging and around for good and for bad. Right, the positive that he had the yardage was there, he turned the ball over a ton whatever. But you know we saw more in the past game and this year it's it's waned a little bit. And so you know when we have our fantasy you know scale, when we jump on to something right zero running back strategies, Hey, I need all my wide receivers.

Whatever.

Whatever.

Yardage is something where we're lacking a little bit, you know, in that trickled down effect as we get to balance with those running games again.

Yardage is something where we're lacking a little bit, you know, in that trickled down effect as we get to balance with those running games again.

Not only is it the names, Dak would be one, as you mentioned his name. Obviously, the Cowboys have their deficiencies. Let's be honest. The Chiefs aren't the same. They aren't playing the same. They're actually a defensive team that we've talked about now and you're not seeing Patrick Mahomes throw the football. Josh Allen doesn't have Stefan Diggs or Gabe Davis anymore. They've obviously drastically changed. I think that those are some of the reasons that we've seen a little bit less because some of those common names aren't there to a digged up you know another name that you mentioned. But still when he's been back, even this past week. I don't know if it's the two safeties that are keeping Tyreek Hill in check or what the deal is, but it's been a lot of eight chan and whatnot out of the backfield.

Not only is it the names, Dak would be one, as you mentioned his name. Obviously, the Cowboys have their deficiencies. Let's be honest. The Chiefs aren't the same. They aren't playing the same. They're actually a defensive team that we've talked about now and you're not seeing Patrick Mahomes throw the football. Josh Allen doesn't have Stefan Diggs or Gabe Davis anymore. They've obviously drastically changed. I think that those are some of the reasons that we've seen a little bit less because some of those common names aren't there to a digged up you know another name that you mentioned. But still when he's been back, even this past week. I don't know if it's the two safeties that are keeping Tyreek Hill in check or what the deal is, but it's been a lot of eight chan and whatnot out of the backfield.

There hasn't been a lot of Hill and waddle. So yeah, it is.

There hasn't been a lot of Hill and waddle. So yeah, it is.

It is when you sit back and you look at the numbers, because I think that the running backs have had more of an effect on the season, and so maybe that plays into it.

It is when you sit back and you look at the numbers, because I think that the running backs have had more of an effect on the season, and so maybe that plays into it.

I have won well, okay.

I have won well, okay.

The fact that maybe we're changing philosophically, not only to the run, but the fact that everybody's super toe because they were put it out yeah kickers and the fifty yard field goals. That maybe we're changing a little bit of how we're playing. And again you'd have to go to each of the thirty two coaches and their coordinators to talk about it. Is that maybe we're changing up how the offenses are called to make sure we get the three out of a possession instead of putting it at harm's way, throwing it away and then having to punt.

The fact that maybe we're changing philosophically, not only to the run, but the fact that everybody's super toe because they were put it out yeah kickers and the fifty yard field goals. That maybe we're changing a little bit of how we're playing. And again you'd have to go to each of the thirty two coaches and their coordinators to talk about it. Is that maybe we're changing up how the offenses are called to make sure we get the three out of a possession instead of putting it at harm's way, throwing it away and then having to punt.

I would in the counter to that because I had wondered, again, what has changed, because I feel like we're going for it more on fourth down? Sure, you know, like where there's maybe more opportunities and when you are going for it on fourth down, because we're not talking about fourth and a half in and we're talking about fourth and four, fourth and three, that maybe there'd be more opportunities to you know, to score that way. But yeah, it is, It is, you know, an interesting I don't know if it's the parody of the NFL even, but I just look at the names that we are accustomed to. Matthew Stafford would be a name when they didn't have Pookinakua for half the season. Cooper Cup was out for a while, So you're not going to have it with the Rams, even Gino Smith with his four DK Metcalf missed some time.

I would in the counter to that because I had wondered, again, what has changed, because I feel like we're going for it more on fourth down? Sure, you know, like where there's maybe more opportunities and when you are going for it on fourth down, because we're not talking about fourth and a half in and we're talking about fourth and four, fourth and three, that maybe there'd be more opportunities to you know, to score that way. But yeah, it is, It is, you know, an interesting I don't know if it's the parody of the NFL even, but I just look at the names that we are accustomed to. Matthew Stafford would be a name when they didn't have Pookinakua for half the season. Cooper Cup was out for a while, So you're not going to have it with the Rams, even Gino Smith with his four DK Metcalf missed some time.

And I think.

And I think.

There's a lot of maybe a lot of different reasons, but I would wouldn't even be able to put my thumb on which one.

There's a lot of maybe a lot of different reasons, but I would wouldn't even be able to put my thumb on which one.

Well, you know, it's fun.

Well, you know, it's fun.

It's just a quick look and you know from our AI overlords on a search in twenty twenty three, teams attempted seven hundred and thirty.

It's just a quick look and you know from our AI overlords on a search in twenty twenty three, teams attempted seven hundred and thirty.

Six fourth downs.

Six fourth downs.

Okay, say that again.

Okay, say that again.

It says the number of times NFL teams go for it on fourth down go from nineteen ninety two where it was three hundred and ninety nine times, okay, to seven out of thirty six last year.

It says the number of times NFL teams go for it on fourth down go from nineteen ninety two where it was three hundred and ninety nine times, okay, to seven out of thirty six last year.

Yeah, double dar jeez. Yeah, that's I think it's I think it's the importance of the mobility of the quarterback as well.

Yeah, double dar jeez. Yeah, that's I think it's I think it's the importance of the mobility of the quarterback as well.

Yeah, I think.

Yeah, I think.

That that's a part of it, where you can get yards with your legs. If you know, there's just being a dropback passer in the National Football League is I don't know. I just I think that it's starting to become a thing of the past.

That that's a part of it, where you can get yards with your legs. If you know, there's just being a dropback passer in the National Football League is I don't know. I just I think that it's starting to become a thing of the past.

I don't know.

I don't know.

You have your Joe Burrows, you know that that can do it. And even Joe Burrows showed that he can run a little bit. But justin Herbert's been running more this year in the way that they've done it. We know Josh Allen, you know Jalen Hurts obviously, I mean go back to the fantasy like you know, people now saying Hurts is taking away from Saquan's MVP candidacy because of the Tush push but yeah.

You have your Joe Burrows, you know that that can do it. And even Joe Burrows showed that he can run a little bit. But justin Herbert's been running more this year in the way that they've done it. We know Josh Allen, you know Jalen Hurts obviously, I mean go back to the fantasy like you know, people now saying Hurts is taking away from Saquan's MVP candidacy because of the Tush push but yeah.

There's just yeah, there's I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's very very interesting.

There's just yeah, there's I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's very very interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Look, with the Saquan MVP thing, it's like gent and the Heisman. He ain't winning it. Sure, it's a quarterback award, whether you like it or not. I here's your mop.

Look, with the Saquan MVP thing, it's like gent and the Heisman. He ain't winning it. Sure, it's a quarterback award, whether you like it or not. I here's your mop.

I I would agree with you, except for the fact that just don't know who is going to stand out. And I wanted to give Derrick Henry the m v P before I wanted to give Lamar.

I I would agree with you, except for the fact that just don't know who is going to stand out. And I wanted to give Derrick Henry the m v P before I wanted to give Lamar.

The m v P this year. Right, No, I agree with you, so but but.

The m v P this year. Right, No, I agree with you, so but but.

Yeah, right on our board that we studio.

Yeah, right on our board that we studio.

I had, I said, I'm gonna pick Joe Burrow till his playing career ends because he's got to win one, at least one. And I'll tell you what, the way that he's playing with that four win Bengals team, they would have zero wins if it was out.

I had, I said, I'm gonna pick Joe Burrow till his playing career ends because he's got to win one, at least one. And I'll tell you what, the way that he's playing with that four win Bengals team, they would have zero wins if it was out.

Could he be Jerry West or Andre Dawson of the eighty seven Cubs?

Could he be Jerry West or Andre Dawson of the eighty seven Cubs?

Yeah, yeah, your team.

Yeah, yeah, your team.

Stinks, but damn it, look at what you did.

Stinks, but damn it, look at what you did.

Wh was it Chuck Howley who won an MVY Super Bowl MVP on the losing team?

Wh was it Chuck Howley who won an MVY Super Bowl MVP on the losing team?

I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Uh.

I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Uh.

Yeah, there you go, six time Pro bowler, only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team.

Yeah, there you go, six time Pro bowler, only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team.

Yeah, there it is. But there's my there's my Joe Burrow push. But I think you're right with the Josh Allen right now. I think it is his to lose, all right. Any final words.

Yeah, there it is. But there's my there's my Joe Burrow push. But I think you're right with the Josh Allen right now. I think it is his to lose, all right. Any final words.

For eat anything you gotta get off your chest. Is a Jets fan or just life in general.

For eat anything you gotta get off your chest. Is a Jets fan or just life in general.

It's all for me, fellas. Just yeah, as a Jets fan, things are bad right now. So just looking forward to the end of the season.

It's all for me, fellas. Just yeah, as a Jets fan, things are bad right now. So just looking forward to the end of the season.

In that regard, just end the season j E. T s.

In that regard, just end the season j E. T s.

That is what it stands for.

That is what it stands for.

Yeah, oh man, that's.

Yeah, oh man, that's.

My season, just and the suffering. Yeah you want to use it all works, that's brilliant.

My season, just and the suffering. Yeah you want to use it all works, that's brilliant.

All right. So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer.

All right. So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer.

We'll come back at you with a brand new episode on Friday, given you all the rankings and info you need to know four week twelve.

We'll come back at you with a brand new episode on Friday, given you all the rankings and info you need to know four week twelve.

Until then, be well, we'll talk to you next time. Here on. I want your flex

Until then, be well, we'll talk to you next time. Here on. I want your flex