On this new bonus episode, Millie and Danielle discuss seeing CATS in the theater, the shittiness of EMPIRE RECORDS, and a Magical Bitches FMK.
Hey, everybody, welcome to a bonus episode of I Saw What You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Danielle Henderson and uh yeah, man, we're back here with you. We're bonusing, we're on the main feed. Now. How are you feeling?
This is our.
First main feed bonus episode. WHOA, I feel exactly the same.
Do you feel naked?
No?
I feel fine.
You feel fully clothed, You're fully clothed.
I'm wearing a fucking an anna rak.
Already. I feel insane. No, I feel good. It's weird, though.
What's weird to me is that, you know, a couple of weeks ago we started releasing our old episode bonus episodes into the main feed, and it's just really interesting to go back to two years ago and what we were talking about in the bonus, especially the first few bonus episodes, because we didn't have any emails yet. We didn't have any listeners, so we.
Didn't have any listener email.
When was it that we established that we were the first topless podcast. Do you remember when we said that. We were saying, like, oh, these are bonus episodes, we can really stretch out. We can just like take our shirts off.
I don't remember specifically, but I feel it was probably like ten episodes.
Okay, so we weren't even topless yet. Think about that.
We weren't even topless. We were fully clothed. We're wearing a fucking.
Maniacs multiple interacts. I was wearing three cardigans. You were wearing twelve interacts.
It was it was days, I swear, I just I dressed like Paddington We just like Paddington Bear. The first few we had a like hats on and little toggle coats.
Dude. It's so it's so crazy because so much has happened between that episode and now, like that was over two years ago, but then a lot of shit happened in two years to where now I feel like a completely different person. Yeah, yeah, and a lot I guess I do. At that time, like the pandemic was still like thumpin' m like we were.
This was like pre vaccine. Yeah, oh yeah, that's remember, and it was definitely yeah, it was.
It was really we were in la but we weren't.
Recording together, Like we were in the same city but not recording in the same place. Yeah, we've never recorded in the same place.
But it was just weirder.
It was weirder back then because I'm like, wait, you're like right down the street.
Yeah, we record together.
Yeah, and it was, uh, I don't know, just felt like I guess that's maybe what I meant by I feeling naked, because I was like, oh, we remember back then, completely a different world. We were also behind a paywall, so it kind of felt like we were really taken, you know, taking it easy. We were on easy street, if you will. But then I remember we talked about I guess the episode was about like what we were doing in quarantine, like all right, what were things that we wanted or needed for Quarantine? And then we talked about the last movie that we saw before the pandemic.
Right before lockdown. Yeah, and yours was Wild.
Yes that listen. I talk about this all the time because I'm like, this was truly like this was the week before the shutdown, so it was like the first week of March twenty twenty. And I just remember, like I told, like I said in that episode, like they handed out bubbles. I went to a rowdy screening of Cats at the Alamo Draft House in downtown LA, and they handed out bubbles, so people were spitting their spit into bubbles, and those bubbles were flying above the crowd and osensively popping in people's faces.
Just COVID bubbles, just like, hey, get some, get amongst it, Get just some COVID.
And then I remember I was with April, my friend April Richardson, who had just gone off of international flight, and she flew into San Francisco, which don't you remember. San Francisco was like the first codd like had one of the first COVID cases before it made it down to La.
Yeah, she was a typhoid Mary. Dude.
It was like, if I didn't catch COVID, then.
You can still get it. Calm down, I can still get it. Okay, you are you are now like I.
You've never had it, so you're like, I'm fucking invincible. We're three years into this shit, and that's when it's gonna get you.
I know, I'm It's when I when I'm slipped, and I'm slipping. That's the problem. Is that, like when people start getting like Lucy Josy, is when they catch it. I mean, bottom line, I mean I just got back from Europe too, and I wore a mask the entire time on the plane.
Yep.
Same when I was in London wear that mask I got back from I was in Jamaica for a few days.
Yeah, it's a four hour flight from New York.
And they kept coming around and being like, you want something to drink, And I'm like, no, I might taking my mask off for four hours?
Are you kidding me?
Well, I feel like, I mean, look, knock on wood, but I'm just saying like for those who were in my position right who had had never had COVID and then finally caught COVID, it feels like the international flight was the deciding factor on them finally getting COVID.
And I got it a dunkin Donuts.
Oh yeah, you did get in a Duncan dot my.
Thing London, and then I got it at dunkin Donuts. I am convinced.
But I do remember, for months after we recorded that first Bonus episode, you were for months so distraught that Cats might be the last movie you ever seen the theater.
Oh yeah.
It was such a stain on my record at the time, Like I just kind of felt like the world is blowing up and Cats will be the final film of my lifetime. The movie which was filled with weird CGI butttholes or something now I can't even remember what.
That Isn't every movie, though, at heart, filled with CGI butttholes, even if you can't see them. Wouldn't it be great if we spent our first main feed bonus episode talking about our old bonus episode.
You you'd have to be a real head to enjoy that one.
Is this what you've been paying for this whole time?
This is shit. They're gonna file a class ass action lawsuit on our stupid asses. We're gonna be the Camp la June of we are of this whole podcast.
We're just pulling out all the look you got to be if you're listen to the bonus, we assume that you are an old head when it comes to our pod, Camp Lajune.
Like, fuck it, We're pulling out all the old jokes.
We're like, I don't know, Jeene Kelly on roller skates, like going through our whole like catalog like remember the days, remember the hits? That sends a tamement, Baby.
Well I do we do actually have a format for our bonus episodes If this is your first time listening to one where we read your emails back to you and I feel like we should just jump in. I agree, dude, we're starting off with a banger.
Yes, I uh. We've got a listener out there who has become one of our faves, always always sends us the most important emails of our lifetime.
They make our day, they make our week.
Yes, and this title alone, and if again, if you're a longtime listener, you will recognize this person who created the alternative Oscar categories. And then many many other questions that were fantastic, but this one I love. The subject is eat it Rex Manning hah. And it's from Stephanie, whose family we will infiltrate one day. And Stephanie says, can I please be on a bonut so all three of us can discuss our mutual disdain for the movie Empire Records? And guess what, I think that's a great fucking idea.
Just a matter of when, put it on the matter of when.
Let's figure it out and make it happen, Because, like I said, I'm going to adopt Stephanie at some point, So why not just start the paperwork with this with an episode where we all talk about Empire Records?
Okay, so before any of y'all get hot about.
This too late. We lost half of them.
Well yeah, they're like, this is it. Nope, they're going they're going to our reviews and just writing Nope, Nope. This is a generational thing because most people that I know who are younger than me love Empire Records absolutely, And I'm just curious as to your opinion as like, I want you to establish the party line for the pod for Stephanie, why we don't like Empire Records and why it's generational.
I got to carry that weight for all of us. Yes, I will.
I will agree with you that it is generational, and I do think again, we won't get too deep into our thoughts here, because we definitely should have Stephanie on the pod. But I do think that for those of us of a certain age, that age being forty and up, who where this movie was really least at a time when we had like jobs and rent and bills. It's the most annoying representation of what it was like for us to be working in because we were working in those jobs when that movie came out, Like we were working in record stores and bookstores and not having that experience, and it just felt very saccharine, yeah, and very inappropriate. Anthony Lapo Anthony Lapogli was the best part of the movie.
I agree, I agree, and I will say I will, I will extrapolate. I felt like the nineties in particular was a was very sensitive to the commercialization of like our scene. Yes, for lack of a better term, like authenticity and selling out. I mean, god, it's it sounds so dumb considering how further along capitalism has come, but it's also like it was that was truly the thing in the nineties was that it was anything that seemed inauthentic and fake in corporate like corporate versions of cool things were so such it was such a no no. And that's kind of how I felt was that I was like, man, who are these beautiful people pretending to work in this like Tower Records esque record store which I worked at Tower Records in Atlanta. None of the people that I worked with were that hot, and they all didn't like make out with each other, like it was like it was a job. I guess that's kind of more to your point. It was a job. Everybody was fucking stoned and making like five seventy five.
Not even Sam Goodie was having that much fun. Yeah, and Sam Goody was low rent compared to the indies and the Tower Records. But yeah, it just felt like it felt insulting because I'm like, wait, why is my job on a movie screen and it's not representative of what my job is.
It just felt wrong.
Yeah, I gotta be honest, though, I'm starting to think about what if there was a TV show about a group of film and television programmers and they were all hot and they were all like having like dalliances with each other. That would be the worst show. That would be the worst show. I would never watch that show, but I would still feel it was that authentic because I'm like, yo, programmers are not Live Tyler and Reneezelweger. They're like, Renee zel Weger would never work at at Tower Records. She's she's too much, too beautiful. And I'm not saying that as a mean girl, by the way, Like I'm just saying that because it's fact, Like I worked at a record store.
I am not Live Tyler. I never saw Live Tyler in my record store working direct correlation, direct correlation. Yeah, it's just it was Yeah, it's just not it's not for us it's not for It was about us, but it wasn't for us, and I think that's why I can't stand it.
Yeah, true, and so hopefully that's not you know, for anybody who's like getting their underwear in in a wad about it. That's just how it feels for somebody of our age group.
Sometimes it'd be like that, Look, there's I've brought so many movies to the pod that I'm like, this is a different way to look at this film that everyone loves and some people really don't enjoy. Like for some people who truly don't enjoy the fact that I refer to high fidelity as a bare minimum romance, but other people are like, you have opened my fucking eyes, And those are the people I'm talking to.
Yeah. Man, people really didn't like when I trash Three Days of the Condor.
But Home Alone you will never look at Home Alone the same.
Sorry, but that's how it is. Sometimes movies are part of our lives. Yeah, but it's I know, and I get it.
Like, the last thing people want at this point is for somebody to disagree with them, were someone to not completely align with their beliefs and their interests. That's the last thing anybody wants, and they will tell you that it's not what they want.
So I don't know.
Look do we try to be gentle about it, but sometimes we're just gonna give it to you straight.
Millie's never seen Titanic. There's nothing you can do about it.
Although people have written and said, how much would it take for you to watch Titanic? Could you raise money for charity? Could you do something like along those lines? I was I sure as fuck would do that, like if it was for some good reason that could benefit something good. I'll I guess you know I'll watch it, like I'll definitely watch it. I guess it's more like, would you pay to hear me make fun of it?
I don't know, you like, I'll watch it, but you have to pay me to watch it. And I already hate it that much that you have to pay me to watch it.
But I do think Stephanie had to.
We talked about Empire Records this now, but we will have you on the pod to discuss something anything.
Really, Stephanie. Uh, you're you gotta wait for your paperless posts to arrive in the mail. It's coming, it's coming. But thanks for writing in once again you're you're one of our faves man like it's it's always a joy to get a letter from you.
Uh.
So we've got the second letter, and uh for those who are new to the bonus, we also do a thing uh what we actually love doing, which is that we do fmks Fuck Mary Kills, and we get people to send us their most unhinged ones and they're super fun, too uh to parse out. And so we got an we got another one from a listener name R and H. I'll read it to you right now. It's called FMK Magical Bitches Edition Esteemed Queens. Listening to your latest episode, I burst out laughing so hard at don't touch your dick January to fight human Trafficking that my cat ran out of the room. I've written before Filipino Girls U Nite. And that letter where I offered slash threatened to bare knuckle box the haters, and hearing y'all read my messages really made my day. I could say plenty more, but I'll save that for a handwritten note in your overflowing peel box. For now, let's get down to Millie's proverbial breast tacks. Fuck Mary Kill. The Magical bitches edition. Now there's three rounds. I'm gonna announce the rounds as we do them. Okay, okay, all right, so we got round one ethereal bitches, fuck Mary, kill Stevie Nicks, Enya and Loreena mckennitt's Danielle.
Okay, all right.
I'm gonna fuck Stevie Nicks because i want all this stories of everyone else she's fucked. Like the post quoital combo is going to be, like, tell me what it was like to actually have to see Lindsay Buckyham's dick.
Wait a second, is that.
I'm doing it for the stories. I'm fucking her for the stories.
But is it common practice that when you sleep with someone, after you sleep with them, they tell you everybody that they've slept with.
No, I'm just doing that for Stevie Nicks. You just want to ask, Okay, it's the reason to fuck Stevie Nicks is to get the stories.
Just saying that. Usually people are like, well, there's you just now, and then there's like fifty seven other people.
I want those stories.
I'd be like, look, now that we're close and you feel safe with me, I want to know what it was like to see the dicks of all your bandmates.
I just feel like it's that that technique is kind of unper active for people who want to try to sleep with people because they just want They don't want to tell you that you're a one night stand amongst fifty six other people or whatever.
I'm assuming I'm a one night stand. I'm assuming I'm a one night stand. We've had the combo, we've got on the date, we've had all the date shit, we fucked, and then I'm like, all right, tell me these stories.
It's the only reason.
Tell me if Don Henley storted coke off of your boobs.
While you were recording Leather and Lace. Tell me everything about Mick Fleetwood's like jodniper pants on rumors. Did he have those custom made? Was it part of a bigger suit? I just want the stories. I'm fucking for the stories. I'm marrying Enya because I will be living in that castle with those cats. Hell, Yeah, you know, I'm marrying Enya because I will never have to see Enya. Yeah, she'll be in that fucking Orinoco studio doing thing. We'll be hanging out with the cats and doing my thing.
Yes, the least possible amount of interaction with your UH partner as possible.
That's always the goal, That's always the goal. How much will you be out of my face?
Enya?
I might see her once a year, and then Loreena McKennitt, I'm just gonna kill. I's got no use, it's got no use for Loreena McKennitt.
She just gotta go in a lesser round.
She might have made the fuck, but because she's up there with Stevie Nixon, Enya, she gotta go.
Well I will, I will. I will tell you this much. I will fuck Loreena McKennitt. What Yeah, look redhead? You know, you know, you know the rumors about the Redheads.
Like one word redhead?
I mean, is that a rumor? Yes? That I mean I do want to subscribe to those rumors. No, but I'm just saying, if we're if if we're gonna go off of of real fucking, annoying, stereotypical information about redheads, then yes, I will. I will have sex with Loreena McKennitt. Mary, I think you know who it would be, Enya. Of course, of course that's your number one homie. She's a nester. I would spend my entire life with her, we would have an extremely chilled out relationship. That's all you need. You need like a really solid partner who's not gonna like freak you out.
I bet there's a lot of orzo salads in your future.
Orzo flow. We're gonna have an orzo flow every night.
She cooks with pine nuts.
So I guess that means I'm killing Stevie Nicks. And wow, I know, and I know that I'm gonna get a lot of guff about this, but I feel like Stevie has probably been dead at least four or five times in her life based on her hard living.
So like she wouldn't mind there.
Not you know, been there. So I don't know. I hate to do it, but I'm just saying like I feel like she would be the most adept at being killed. I don't know. Does that make sense?
Yeah, that makes sense.
I mean this is we're within the boundaries of the fuck Mary Kill universe, and those boundaries you don't all often get to make the decision that you would that you think you would make because you're pushed into a very limited field. So in the liv and that's what makes a good fuck Mary Kill. So in the limited field. Sometimes you have to kill people that you normally wouldn't kill for reasons that are you don't you don't even think you're gonna get to.
Yeah, I killed Michael J. Fox in one of our rounds. I have a couple sleepless nights about it, but you know what, like it had to be done. It had to be done. Them are the rules. So okay, so let's go on to this round two. This is gonna be a barn burner. Okay. Round two is spooky bitches. So we've got fuck Mary, kill Wednesday Adams, Lydia Deets, and Nancy Downs.
See this is already a tough one for me because these are all children.
Yes, so Mari in an impossible position here.
But having said that, yes, I am gonna fuck Nancy Downs because, as per usual with most cities fmks, I'm I'm a fucking run on this one.
Like I'm not staying around to get haunted.
I'm not staying around to get fucking dragged into some some witchcraft shit.
I'm just gonna fucking run on that one.
Absolutely, I'm gonna marry Lydia Deats because her parents have property. You'd be married in the money baby, they got property in original art.
They're New York gallerists.
Like, I'm married into that family because even if Lydia is all sad and like communicating with a bog demon half of the time, I'll be like, I'll be in our Connecticut house because your parents are definitely dead now it's been quite a few years. Yes, So I will marry into that family for the property. And that means I'm killing Wednesday Adams. Yeah, and I'm killing every iteration of Wednesday Adams. Not just the current Netflix Wednesday. I'm killing all the Wednesdays because if you don't kill Wednesday.
Adams, she gonna kill you.
Uh huh.
So that that's where I'm coming down on this one.
Well, let me just say right now, we got the same list, walk up the same list.
Oh yeah, happened. I love it.
I love it right right down the line. Definitely the f is for Nancy. I think we we definitely know that just the jewelry alone suggests that she would be amazing in bed Lydia Detz. It's definitely a marriable, uh spooky bitch like life partner. Like I said, her mom's probably got like a Googenheim some kind of you know, I don't know, wing of the Museum or something.
I don't know.
We could like go and do things there, like be like real patron of the arts. And I'm killing Wednesday Adams because i mean, especially in this new Netflix version, man, she got that mouth and that mouth runs. She's just like insulting you all the time. She's talking back, she doesn't listen, and I'm just like, well, what kind of what is that going to be? Like?
Oh good.
That's what I'm laughing about, is that as much as I always want to marry the person I'm never gonna see, you're always killing the person who's got that mouth.
Whoever's talking shit. It's like Freddy Krueger, same same scenario. I'm like, you guys are just like in my face all the time, like pointing out every flaw I ever have, Like, who needs the who needs that grief?
No, Brady Krueger, Chucky Wednesday Adams, you gotta go?
You got that mouth?
What did I say?
Did I say that.
Chucky was a an edge lord? An edge lord? Wednesday Adams seems a bit like an edge lord as well. So yeah, the edge Lord's gotta go. And I'm sorry because Wednesday Adam seems to be the youngest out of these three.
We will kill children on this show. Let it not be Let it be known right now, this is your first bonus. FMK is no limit, soldiers. We will kill children in an FMK round.
We have done it before and we will do it again. Oh, last round, last round. Wow, this is this is great. So round three Fround of the Magical Bitches Edition of FMK Black Magic Bitches. Fuck Mary, Kill Vampira, Elvira, and Mortitia.
All right, I I'm gonna fuck Mortitia. I've just killed her child, so it's the least I could do.
She's a grieving mother. Perfect time to slide in there, some peaches, fuck the pain away moments. I've just killed her child.
Let's bone. I feel like she'd be the sexiest. I'm going. I'm going more Titia.
Sure, I'm gonna marry Elvira.
And because she's funny, She's really funny. And the actress who plays Elvira is like a total hippie at heart. Yes, like she lives in Oregon now with her girlfriend and like yes, I read something like she's always kind of like no plastic in and like she's like my my kind of person. So I could live with Elvira for sure, for sure could make that work. And again she's out in the garden. I'm off doing something else. Yeah, Alvira doesn't doesn't need me. And the persona of Elvira is just funny and reminds me of my childhood and was just so weird and wild.
Oh yes, of course.
And I'm killing Vampire because I Vampire, because I just you know, casualty of the game. Baby.
So here's where I'm gonna go. I mean, this is right off the dome. Okay, I'm going to fuck Vampira, Okay. And the reason why is because A she's super duper hot. B she was friends with James Dean and that maybe, in some weird wrinkle in the universe that that means that maybe the three of us could maybe you know, have a little fun some night.
Wait, how are you taking this to some like ghostly apparition threesome.
That's not fmk. I'd James Dean to Vampire.
If they're if the rules are off, and we've done this before, We've had to retroactively kill people who are already dead. Remember we've done this before. Ah, Like I could jump back in time to a Vampira, like a fifties vampire where she was friends with James Dean and hanging out with that whole crew, and that maybe the three of us could maybe have a little thing. If that makes sense.
Well, if we're time traveling, that changes the game for the other two rounds for me too.
I just as we were chime traveling. Why why are we of them now We've done this like fifteen twenty times.
I'm allowing it.
I'm just saying, I have to remember that that is part of the game, that we can time travel.
You married the blob. I think anything is possible, really really, So okay, we're gonna check the ruling on that. We're gonna have to do, you know, pull pull the referees together to look at the instant replay on the ability to time travel.
I'm just saying time travel. I'm fine with the time travel. I'm I did not know that we could time travel to a land where we could drag someone else into the f and start having three sums and being in thrumples and shit, like if you're f and Vampira just because of her proximity to James Dean then you're really fucking James Dean.
No, it's additive. I listen, if she wants to be a one woman at a time out of goal, I'm very fine with that. I'm just saying, like, if they has gone a little naughty and that were an opportunity, I would I would love it. I would love I would actively pursue that if that was what she would want.
That because we we already know that James Dean was a freak. Yes, he was a real low down freak.
I mean, I doubt James Dean even liked women at all, so that would it would it would be like a hard sell for him to listen. I'm just saying, in a universe of my own creation, that is what would happen, a threesome with vampire and James Dean.
All Right, I'm just saying, from now on, if we're able to drag people in through time travel, the f MK round is gonna get fucking wild for men about me.
I've opened I've opened Pandora's box, okay, opened the portal well, and then the other like the other two are basically the same as yours. I would definitely marry Elvira, Okay, like we we know vampire has in it for the long haul, and she is such a wonderful character. Funny, smart, sexy, the whole package, and you gotta have that in your life every day. As far as I'm concerned, we gotta kill more Titia for me, because that's that's the thing is that I'm like, she seems a little a little aloof You're.
Just wiping out the whole Adams family. First, I'm coming for your child, Then I'm coming for your mom. Now I'm gonna kill your fucking dad in that goddamn hand, and then I'm coming for that ball of hair.
I'm gonna get all y'all.
It's like, give that family some peace, I guess, I don't know. Just kill like mort Titia. You gotta go. It seems like she would.
Enjoy being dead, to be honest a real point.
Yeah, yes, so I kind of feel that way with Wednesday Adams too, right, So that's there you go that Those are my answers, those are Daniel's answers. Are you knocked it out of the park? Thank you so much for that.
So we learned so much, Like I just learned that you would wipe out an entire matriarchal lineage in two rounds of FMK and I do love it. I do love it.
Oh my god.
Here's our last question, our last email. The subject is epic movies, and this is a letter from K and K says, dear movie best friends.
You guys are great. Let me get to.
It, perfect, perfect opening. What is your favorite epic movie? What was your first introduction to epic movies. My realization of an epic was The Last Emperor. Age of Innocence comes in second. For a small town girl renting videos and watching them on a nineteen eighties boxy big screen TV. That's when I fell in love with epics. Thank you for all the laughs and enjoy you bring to me. K. I love this question. Yes. I think it's because epics for me span time like it's kind of a you know, I had a very Sundays with Granddad kind of movie experience in my youth. We watched a lot of sweeping dramas. But I think my first introduction to an epic movie that felt like it was made just for me was amadaeis Ah. Yes, that was like my first time feeling like, oh my goodness, this world is so expansive and wild and it's like nothing I've ever seen before. And Tom Holtz was incredible, and I love the music, and it just felt very grand and big and spooky and it had everything. So I'm gonna say that was probably one of my first favorite epics that was made just for me, or that.
Felt like it was tailored for me.
But I also and this is really just an age thing Indiana Jones. Yeah, going to see Indiana Jones in a theater or even just watching it at home with friends or just like like just watching this dude rip through the fucking universe and then well I'm not universe the world and be just like he's a professor and an adventurer and like, I don't know, it just felt and he was funny.
It just felt kind of cool. Yeah.
I had a professor in college who admitted to us that she became a professor because she.
Loved Indiana Jones. Yeah, but I think is very sweet.
Yeah, honestly, Wow, I mean it's funny because we actually have talked about EPICX on the podcast before. Like I to me, I think there's a lot of avenues you can go down, because Okay, if you think about epics in kind of a very basic sense, right, I always think of them as movies that are long, yeah, you know, and that they spend time, just like you said. So basically it's like an epic film is something I would say in the three hour range bare minimum, maybe like two forty five, but three hours, right, And a lot of times they're shot in like seventy millimeter or there's some kind of like higher film gauge that people are using and that they're spending time. Even the it's like the course of a life or like a course of like a historic event or something like that.
Right.
So for me, I mean there's a lot of like older epics that I had grown up seeing, like Lawrence of Arabia and Out of Africa and stuff like that. I wouldn't call this necessarily a favorite maybe, but I think one of the most like I mean, one of the most famous epics, and certainly one that I came to see as an epic after I finally saw it was Gone with the Wind. Oh see you I've never seen it, yes, And I mean, listen, I know that film has a lot of baggage and part of like why I think I told myself that I should see it is because I knew that and bus being from Atlanta, like, you can't not know what Gone with the Wind is. And I kept that a secret for a very long time because I was like, oh, yeah, Senkalla, who hasn't scarlet Frankly, my dear, Yes.
You had like the whole like the Cotillion dress costume, because don't they do that in Atlanta where they make you reenact On with the Wind once a year as they're like, get your fucking dresses out, it's time to get on them damn planes.
Yes, the secret is when you move to Atlanta, they make you get your driver's license and then put you in a petticoat and we're like, that's it. To establish residency in the state of Georgia. You have to wear this fucking petticoat and bonnet.
No, I mean that is the DMV test is you have to recite her whole monologue.
You have to hold a potato in your hand and walk.
For something.
But like I told myself, like I'm gonna watch this movie and like to that point of it being an epic, it is a spectacle. And I feel like I've talked about this before on the one of our main Fiet episodes, but just that whole idea of like you get you're like, well, I'm gonna be here for the next three four hours, you know, I'm gonna have like an intermission and a prologue. And so the way that it's designed and the way that it shot and all of the art direction and all that stuff is very epic. It costs like a lot of money and it looks that way. So that, to me, I think is an epic. And I will say, I mean, I don't want to go out there and be like everybody watch Gone with the Wind, because, like I said, I know it's it's not for everyone, but I feel like if you just want a pure example of something that's just like a spectacle, like a big fucking huge spectacle, and maybe watched Babylon, maybe watched Elvis or something recently, and you're like, damn, man, I want to see like an old movie that's like that, then I would watch something like or Lords of Arabia. But honestly, for me, I love epic westerns. I think those are my favorites. Like you know what movie I loved and I want to see again so much as there will be Blood.
Oh yeah, I want to watch that again too.
I haven't seen that in me too, And I remember seeing it. I think I saw it like twice in the theater when it was in the theater, and I was sort of obsessed with it and I was I was just the world that it's in, you know.
And so now I'm like, I gotta see that again, like, you know, we got to come up with the themes. We can watch it together.
Yeah, yeah, but I I I saw Babylon and I saw Elvis. Like you know, it's a thing of like I know that those are being talked about right now because you know, they're in the in the culture, but it's also like people who have been complaining about like how big the productions are and how long they're and I'm like, yeah, they've been doing that for a long time, right, I mean I'm not saying that these are.
Good completely completely.
They've been doing it for a long time. There's been three hour movies in the past, trust me. Oh definitely, oh for sure.
And it's it's kind of like like Boz Luhrman especially kind of prefers the epic in his work, and so I think that like Mulin Rouge is a modern example of what feels to me like an epic, maybe not purely in length of time, but just the spectacle of it, the time that they're discussing, and you know, it just kind of feels more. It just feels like a big movie. And so I think that there are definitely certain directors who prefer an epic like right now and kind of like you know, Steven Spielberg with The Fableman's and like, you know, just kind of enjoy going back and telling a really full story like that seems to be a cornerstone of.
Modern screenwriting.
A I would even go as far to argue that maybe epics are back, like in a bigger way because of like stuff like Avatar. You know, like all movies are three hours long now, and I think that's why people were complaining about them. We're like, oh my god, all these movies are so fucking long. I can't believe it. Blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, well that's been that way in the past. But also I feel like now because in order for things to be released as a film, it seems like right now it needs to have that little bit of it needs that little pomp and circumstance, right exactly, And so maybe the only people who are making movies like that are these big directors like James Cameron and Steven Spielberg and Boz Lorman, who are who are able to make these like bigger movies because I guess there needs to be some kind of reason for people to want to leave the house, right, And I guess.
And sit down for three hours, yes, but like it's more of like a it's like a vent view versus you know, it's kind of the reason on how we talk about how there are like no ninety minute comedies that get made as much as there used to be or whatever.
Because of just the market conditions, I guess. But yeah, yeah, I don't know. I to your point, I think that there's maybe maybe something to that, Like I feel like there might be like an uptick in epics now for something reason.
But I can see that, and I think even something like Drive My Car is an epic if you think of it in terms of length of time and storytelling. But that also brings up an interesting point for me, which is what is the difference between an epic and a blockbuster?
Yeah?
I don't because Avatar feels like a blockbuster to me.
I think blockbusters are financial Like I think that those are movies that are meant to make a lot of money and are meant to be sold internationally and are like, you know, basically trying to do the most to make the most money and to appear the most amount of people. I think epics are just movies that are like big in scope and and like like with with the case of something like Babylon, I mean, I'm sure that Damien Chazelle was like, yes, I want to make a lot of money on this movie about the history of Hollywood. But but I also feel like he he was also making a movie that was very specifically his vision right and his style, and maybe at a certain point said, well, I don't care you know who, like who would watch it? Like, I just gotta make my own art type of thing.
Yeah, you know exactly exactly. I gotta don't care. I don't care who was watching.
Listen up, studios, give me like your fucking money and shut your goddamn traps.
I don't care. I gotta make I gotta be mad.
We're gonna have Margot Robbie tap dancing in our underwear. This is my art. I don't care.
Who buys it, and they're like, finger raised, we do, we give you eight hundred million dollars.
Can we get a dollar back? Please? Get I please?
I love the notion of all these movies. Do you gos be like, Hi, can I please have a dollar back? Thank you? Thank you?
Maybe twelve dollars today.
Lydia Tarr is really interesting, but can we make some money please?
Well, like, look at that. That's an example.
I mean like, yeah, that's an epic. Yeah, I would say.
It's it's definitely something that they were not like, I mean, that's a long movie about you know, the arc of a character. And they were like, will it play on you know, four thousand screens in America opening weekend or whatever? You know, It's like probably not.
Well, will this movie about an orchestra conductor, even if it's Kate fucking Bland?
Shit? Will this be a hit in Tulsa? Well?
Can we get the Oklahomans out to see this?
Bitch? Be a Bitch?
On screening, parents are bringing all their children. They're running to the movie theater to see a woman give an interview to Adam Gopnik of The New Yorker for like thirty five forty.
Thirty minutes and the opening of that movie, I'm like, they are really going there, and I listen.
Toddfield is a fucking master. I love him. We've talked about him on this pod before.
We're a stand dude. We ever since Walking and Talking? Yeah, remember we talked to a Walking and Talking or like second or third episode.
Yeah, we love him and I love this to me feels like like the movie Tar. To me feels like, not only is it it's a great movie. I fucking loved it. I've seen it like three times because I got a screener. I got dig It's digital screener season folks. So as a member of the Writer's gilds, I get to watch a lot of movies.
Yeah, and you get to flex on people who are not in any guilds.
Like hell yeah.
I walk around my and I'm like, look at you guildless motherfuckers, and they're like cold.
I just get my gas, please, all.
You fucking guild people. I swear my whole life, my whole fucking life. Oh like, especially when I lived in la Hey, guys, I got like every fucking movie that's out right now, you want to come over and watch the I'm like, yeah, fuck off. Yes, I work in the film business, but I don't get screeners because I suck.
And we can't send them around because then we'll get booted from the guild.
Like I have so many I have so many.
Friends here that I want to be like, hey, you should watch this and give them the fucking disc And I'm like, I can't because then I won't get them ever again.
Yeah, and we have to, like in order you have to be with me to watch it, like we're carrying around the fucking Hope Diamond or some shit.
All the screeners come with a set of handcuffs and a briefcase. They're like, oh, you want to watch the fucking Gableman, you want to watch Amsterdam?
You better cut off that goddamn arm. They treat it like that.
But I do have a shitload of screeners, and a lot of them are digital, which I appreciate. And so I've seen Tara a lot, and I love todd Field, and I think this is kind of like the length of this movie and the scope of this movie is itself an inside joke for him. I feel like him being like I'm gonna write this epic story, like this huge story, almost three hour long movie about this one person. I feel like that is a really funny, funny approach.
Well, listen, I've loved him ever since I saw him give his mole in a jewelry box to Anne Hash and walking and talking. I was like, that's my guy right there, like anything for a joke.
Absolutely, he is such a delightful weirdo, I just feel. And he's a great drama He's a great dramatist. But he's also if you watch his films and you watch his act the films where he's been an actor in those films, there's always a little vein of the comedic, and I really appreciate that.
Yeah, but see, that's what I mean is that I feel like Tar is an epic and not a blockbuster, right exactly, But like, yeah, that and I gotta be honest with you. That is why if you're gonna present me with a three hour movie, you better have some razzle dazzle. That's all I'm saying, because if you come at me with like a three hour movie where it's just people like I don't know, eating dinner. Actually, I like Jon del Men so maybe I'm just completely I'm completely negating what I just said. But in this era, in this era, yeah, you need a little razzle dazzle if anybody is making them, and they're making them all the time, like it's gotta be something.
You gotta have.
Kate Blanchette reading A Child for fucking filth, hah, that to me counts as razzle dazzle. In this day and age, I want to see some severe pantsuits bare minimum.
I need that.
I need that really understated, like European style furniture.
I want to see every Berlin apartment with that, like mood lighting that comes from a lamp that looks like an eyeball.
Give me all. That to me is epic, Like I'm I'm changing the game. Maybe I'm changing the.
Rules of what an epic is. But the length of that movie, the scope of the movie doesn't quite fit the epic for me because it's only about a certain amount of time. But it feels epic because of the journey you're on.
So yeah, agreed, agreed, But I like this question from k because I, first of all, I do I do think that if you were a child of the eighties like they had mentioned in in their letter, Watching epics on those eighties TVs sucked ass. Oh my god, watching like fucking ben her On like a black and white you know, four x three znith screen and the ratio.
Is like cuts out half of the fucking Yeah.
Yes, there's actually like a really good if. This is nerdy as shit, But if you want to go down the rabbit hole of of wondering why things are letterboxed and pillar box TCM has a great example of that on their YouTube channel where they basically explain why things are letterboxed. But and then the biggest reason why they were pan and scan is because they were they were making movies that weren't fitting those like shitty ass TVs back in the day, and so instead of like showing it in the proper aspect ratio, they would just blow it up and then follow the action, which is not how the director intended anyway. Blah blah blah. All I'm saying is that watching epics in the eighties was such a pain in the ass, And if I loved them in spite of that, your a real head, Yeah, real head, which I love.
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