Dear Movies, I Love YouThis week, Danielle and Millie discuss THE KILLING OF A SACRED DEER (2017) and BIRTH (2004), Danielle doing yoga, grief penis, and Barry Keoghan starring in a LIAR LIAR remake.
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Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What You Did.
My name is Millie de Jericho.
I'm Danielle Henderson, and we.
Are the little creeps coming in here and just reckon your film life.
That could not be more true for this week, like I feel that always, but could not be more true than this week's selections and theme.
I cannot wait to dive into that psychology, by the way, but first off, I have.
To just ask you, how are you doing?
I'm doing great? How are you.
Just fun? Just fine?
I'm doing all right. I feel like I know we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but like spring is making me feel better in so many ways. And I don't think it's just weather orient and I think, you know, it's like my life is feeling really good right now.
Yes.
And I started going to a yoga class locally with a friend of mine. I've only been to a couple of classes. The first time I messed up terribly because there are two yoga studios in my town. Ooh, and a friend of mine who wanted to try it out, was like, oh, I'll meet you this day, like on Thursday at noon or whatever. And I just went to the wrong place, and the right place was fifteen twenty minutes away, so I was like, I'll meet you there next time, okay, But then I went and it's I just want to give a high five to a small country yoga class, because yoga class. City yoga classes are a fucking an athletic event. A country yoga class, I could show up looking like fucking Jim Belushi in any mood he's ever done, and it's fine, Like paint stained sweats are fine in a country yoga class.
I thought you're talking about James Blushy, but I guess.
You're Wait, Jim, and who's James? Is it the same as James? And then there's John John? Okay, oh James, I'm thinking Jim Belushi and jumpin Jack Flash. You show up in a Hawaiian shirt tucked into a pair of dad jeans, a satin baseball jacket pretty much it Yeah, And I would go like that, Yeah, that's those are also my classmates, because who's going to yoga at twelve o'clock on a Thursday here retired people? So okay, what's the vibe. Let's let's iron this out. Is it are they? Are?
They? Burning Paulo Santo. Are they doing that whole thing?
That's the thing. The other yoga study that I wanted to go to is like the pale, pink Paulo s to, you know, like a written word messages on old pieces of barn wood. Like it's a vibe place and it's not bad. Like sometimes that's a great class to go to as well. A classic yoga vibe, a classic yoga vibe. But this is like, we're renting this place for ten dollars. Your class is five dollars. It's in a strip mall. Get in, get in, and it's lovely and comfortable, and I'm so it's beautiful, but it is not the it is not a prohibitive vibe. It's a very come as you are vibe. And everything about the building says that, and everything about the classes say that, and I just I love it, and it was I think the classes are like ten dollars. They're running a special in one of the other yoga studio where you could go for unlimited classes for forty seven dollars a month. Woo, that's a bargain, girl, Yeah, like a new student special. Yeah, for forty seven dollars a month, and I'm like, but I'm I'm enjoying. I'm not really a get out of my house and workout person. It's never worked for me. I don't feel comfortable. I don't like it. So I'm glad that I found something comfortable because I did not realize this. I'm very dumb about my body and most bodies in general just did not get that kind of scientific education as a child. And my butt looks like it's been just beat with a ball peen hammer, and I just thought, well, that's my butt. I got dimples. You just can't see them. That's just my butt. I didn't know you could get rid of those. You could or could not you could. I didn't know that. I thought, well, this is just my butt. And I went to this yoga class and the teacher was like, and this will work those butt dimples or whatever, like this is a good move for that. And I was like, really, like you could get rid of those?
She was like, yeah, you're toning your body, and I was like, I didn't realize what that meant.
I guess, I mean, I gotta say, I'm not sure if that's is.
That actually true that you could like spot treat butt dimples by doing I'm gonna find out by doing squats.
Like I'll report back, but I'm gonna find out. But there's just so much I feel like everything bodily happens inside, so I've never focused on the outside. Oh, like you're working muscles and things that you can't see and like your heart rate and all that shit. But apparently you can fix fix your butt dimples.
Yeah, yeah, no, it This is interesting to me because I'm on I'm definitely like, I'm definitely at the same point you are where I'm sitting here going like, yeah, I think I focused too much of my because you know, I work out a lot.
I actually just joy this is.
Not a flex I just joined my third gym, and I don't actually do not know why I've done a third gym.
I don't know why either. Girl, What are you doing? Tell me what each gym does for you? What is happening?
Okay, I say, jim loosely.
Because there's the dance studio that I belong to right where I take my beloved hip hop dance class two times a week. Okay, but it's just a studio, right, there's no machines, there's no anything, right, then I'm at Barbell Club, right, so that is weightlifting, and that Jim.
James Kahn on the regular basis.
I'm definitely lifting James Kahn off the ground and putting him in the air.
And now you are getting strong enough where I think you could lift him in his coffin.
Yes, if the cau like if we're talking about like a hearty oak, like the old style coffins, you know, I could probably do I could probably do the coffin.
I could probably bench press the coffin. I gotta be.
Honest to me, because coins are so heavy. Don't ask me how I know that coffins are so heavy.
Well, and also so I this is something I figured out over the course of this journey that I've been on with the James Kahn deadlifting saga.
Which is this is the thing.
I just celebrated my two year anniversary in that Barbell Club, which completely started because of this podcast.
Like whoa I know? Whoa I know?
And my and my coach sent me this little letter and was like, gngratulations, it's been two years.
I'm like, what the fuck? Two years ago?
We made this go stupid joke, like do you know that I'm here because of the movie Misery. Yes, I'm here because of our podcast making a stupid joke you and I laughed at and then now it's become real two years later, it's it's it's here to stay.
But look, we're not We're not here to change lives, but I'm glad we can change hours.
Yes, I mean, if this podcast is motivation for healthy things once in a while, then great. But as I figured out in the course of this journey, right, like, my upper body strength is terrible compared to my lower body strength. And I think that, according to my coach, that's very common for women, is that a lot of their strength is in their bottom half, in their legs, you know. So you know, the deadlifting and the squatting is like, you know, when I look at the numbers, I'm like, oh, this is amazing.
This is I feel very you know, I feel very accomplished being able to deadlift James Cohn or whatever.
But then I look at the bench press numbers, I'm like, wow, I could only like lift ten pounds above my head. What But I've been working towards it and now I feel like I could probably bench press a coffin.
It's amazing.
I'm not saying like more than two reps, but I could probably pr a coffin.
Yeah, if you can get it up in the air. Yeah, I mean, that's all you have to do with a coffin. If you're gonna be one of the people carries it into the church or out of the church, you just have to lift it up. Ones. That's great. You can lift it up twice. That's the whole job. You can do the whole job.
Okay, if my new goal is to bench press a person in a coffin.
Yeah, is that what we're saying, is that that's what I'm saying.
Oh my god, I love setting an arbitrary goal for you that I don't have to have any part in.
All right, let me let me work that out mathematically. But anyway, So that's the second gym, and then I just joined a third gym, which is more of like a multi purpose you know, it's got like a little bit of everything. It's got weightlifting, but it's got cardio, it's got classes, yoga classes. In fact, you know, I don't know. I think it's kind of a country a country yoga place too. In that way, it's a it's not a commercial gym. It's a neighborhood gym, which I felt very proud of. I was like, I'm still parting my name and uh, you know, giving the name of the community.
The neighborhood gyms are where you see those videos that you like to send me of people bench pressing like a table, Like they just grab a table out of the hallway and wrap it around their neck and just start lifting. I feel like you see that Planet fitnesses across any city in America and a neighborhood gym. So I'm very excited to see, Yeah, what someone's gonna grab in your neighborhood.
Yeah, I know, and like there, and I also know people that go to that gym.
Not for nothing.
I saw a lot of hot people walking around the neighborhood gym, which is a nice treat.
How does it feel to know you live in a hot neighborhood?
I mean, listen, I Atlanta's hot.
It's a hot there's a lot of hot people that live here, and it's a different kind of hot than maybe La I would say. I mean, there's a lot of La hot here obviously now because of the you know, they film a lot of stuff here and you definitely say like la hot people walking around.
But then you got like the country.
Hot as we've talked talked about ah, which I love the Daniel Kluya and notpe hot.
Yeah, just like thick country boys like.
You know do it doing like throwing tractor tires and ship around.
I mean, I'm just like, I love you, I love you.
But like, but hot people just generally any gender, you know, it's like they're hot people at this Jim totally and I don't know, I feel like it's a that's unfortunately a motivation for me sometimes is to show up and be like I just want to, you know, be in the world around people. But how is what so you're saying the clientele of this country yoga studio is primarily retirees. Are we talking like really fit like women or like Grandpa's with the back problem.
It's a great mix, and it's really it's it's there's a hippie element to my town that has been here since I was before I was born obviously, so it's a lot of that, a lot of like traditional like I've been doing yoga since the seventies kind of people. Oh I love that, it's so good. And then there's definitely like a like a grandpa. I gotta stretch my back because you know, I'm sitting down in my chair all day is hurting now and my wife dragged me to this, or my husband dragged me to this, and here I am. But yeah, it's just a good vibe and everyone's just like no one's paying attention to you. It's a kind of yoga place where if you are doing a downward dog, you're pretty sure no one's looking at your butt, right, which I love. And it's a lot, Oh my god, it's so much in my own yoga bag. I have the blocks, I have the straps, I have the blanket, I have the bolster. I have a kit for my inflexibility. Yeah, like right now because I'm trying to like not hurt myself while I'm getting flexible. And it's all welcome. Like they start there, they don't like modify to that place where they're like, we're gonna do seventeen handstands and spin around like a helicopter with our legs and if you can't do this, then you should only spin one leg. It's like, no, we're gonna start with your fucking blocks. And if you don't need the blocks. Great, so it's just a script flip that I fucking love.
Yeah, look, I to me, I've done both types. I've done the high key fitness yoga where it's like one hundred and seventy five degrees and everybody's farting, And then I've done this sleeping class. Remember when I used to go to that restorative yoga class that I was just like nap time.
Yes, I love restored if yoga. It's my favorite type.
Like, having done both, I get the fitness benefits of the.
Prior one, but the latter one is so great because it's just like this.
It's like this feeling of like like using the tools, like the bolsters, the blocks, it's like a feeling of support. Yes, it really allows you to like get into the stretching part of it, which is great, Like you don't have to have the anxiety of being like can I hold a pose? Ye? You know you're just like no, I'm just gonna fucking put these blocks under my damn knees and lay down for fifteen minutes.
You can walk in with like trekking sticks. They don't care, they don't turn an eye. Yeah, I love it. I love it.
My favorite is up the Wall. Do you guys do up the wall at all?
Yeah? Yeah, I love that one.
The best is when you they take the strap or you take the strap and he almost kind of like bind your feet together and then you put them up the wall and then he just tug on that fucking strap and it's like the best hip stretchy, quad stretchy.
It's it's good, so good.
I love it.
And it's like to actually relax in that kind of a pose. Is I don't ever get that in most yoga classes because usually it's like push yourself harder, stretch deeper, and this one is just like do whatever you can do, get those feet up on the wall. They stay on the wall. Great.
Yeah, it's so relaxing.
So I'm and it's mentally it's mentally amazing too, Like I feel like there's I don't know, I've achieved a lot of peace with myself over the past couple of years, but you know, like you know, I did start meditating. I added it to my rage workouts, and there's like a mental peace and clarity that comes with these classes that I also love, and I feel it throughout the week, like I carry it with me. So I'm just I'm very excited about it, and I think it's I just feel good. I feel like there's a real I've made a real connection between mind and body that I've been missing. And I also feel like I just feel good about myself, which is so foreign to me. Yeah, I'm not someone who walks around with a lot of pride or a lot of but I also don't want to keep walking around with a lot of like shame. So I just kind of feel good about who I am. It's really, it's really wild. It's really now that it doesn't mean that I'm not still making terrible decisions as an adult. I have taken I've started taking myself out on dates once a month and I go into the city and see a show. So, like, like a couple of weeks ago, I took myself to the city in the afternoon and I just got dinner by myself and walked around one of my favorite neighborhoods, and then I went and saw Tony Hawk and Rodney Mullen give a little talk. Oh my god, it was fucking great. Just like Little Beacon Theater talk went too of my favorite skaters and people of all time, and I was, of course treated myself to like an orchestra seat, so I was like right down there in front, Hell yeah, and it was awesome. But just I've just been kind of really giving into being good to myself because let me tell you, I am out here dating and a disturbing trend that I have discovered, and this has not happened to me once. It hasn't even happened to me twice. It's happened to me a few times where I'm talking to someone cute and awesome and funny and friendly, and they will give me their entire career criminal history, and I'm like, yo, dating post opioid crisis is fucking wild. I did not know that everyone has been in jail at some point. Now, I did not know that. Wow, dude. Yeah. And the look on my friend's face is when I'm like, oh, yeyes gribes spending prison a lot, and they're like, girl, I'm like, but I believe in prison or form. I believe in change, and they're like, yeah, not through your vagina, Like we can't start there. Maybe you can build up to that once you feel comfortable.
Yeah, that's like an advanced seminar, right, yeah.
Trying your dating for the first time ever. You've only ever been in relationships, You've never dated, Like you have to get used to saying no to some things in your life. And yeah, my friends are deeply concerned, but also not setting me up with anyone. So I don't know. I'm just saying the landscape has changed in a way that I was not expecting and it is wonderful and terrifying.
Can I ask you?
Can I ask you this just out of pure curiosity when you are I don't know how you date, Like, I don't know if you use apps or if it's just like an in person thing or like just meeting people at the country yoga place, the.
Yep, meeting people out in the city, out and about.
Like absolutely, are you interested in younger people?
Not expressly, not expressly they have to be close to my age, okay, So like late thirties is all right, late thirties okay, So within a ten year window, even five year window, like if you're forty one is if it's going to be a younger person, Like that's the youngest I want to go. But I have met a few mid thirties and I'm like, all right, but mid thirties is a different generation. They are millennials, and millennials have been to jail a lot. I do not know what millennials have been to jail a lot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, listeners, But I feel like, through my limited experience of going on multiple days with people who I'm just meeting in the wild, it's not like I'm on a prison dating app, like millennials have been to jail.
What makes them more like?
Because I feel like a lot of jet extras have been to jail too, though, but we had our own bullshit, trust me.
But when we've been to jail, it's more like I was at a protest or I It wasn't like I was a burglar straight up for years. See.
I feel like gen Z also goes to jail a lot for for protesting.
So yeah, maybe gift a generation.
Maybe millennials are like, let's just go to jail the old fashioned way.
And I think this is also a social backlash lash issue of like the laws have changed to make it possible for a lot of people to go to jail.
Now, Wow, oh we're gonna get so many emails from millennials.
They're gonna be like no, how dare you look, I'm out here Dayton millennials. I'm not saying I don't like them. I'm saying there is a generational shift that I did not realize had happened, which is, y'all are okay with going to jail a lot, a lot, a lot.
The reason why I'm conducting the straw pol okay is that I think again, I think we talked about this in a prior episode where springtime equals horniness. Springtime means coming out of the woods, coming out of the womb, you know, and like going out there and seeing what's shaken loose, right, and the pollen and the bees. It's like there's an energy, there's like a horny energy to this moment, okay, And I'm experiencing that in my own way.
Right.
So, for some reason, I was on a group chat. I'll just say I was on a group chat.
With a very highly curated selection of women my age around our age, right, and we somehow, you know, I've been on.
This group chat forever and ever and ever, But the conversation was talking.
About dating, and like a friend of mine was basically like, yo, you have to date younger if you are single at our age, you will you will have to date younger if you want to get laid.
But I was like, what, It's just the facts of the fact of the matter.
And then I started thinking about I started kind of going down the rolodex of like, who my single female friends are who are around my age, and.
I'm like, yeah, they're all dating younger guys.
I have a friend who's dating like a much younger guy and they are booed up like they are together and he is so sweet. He's a thick country boy, which I was like, I.
Was like in tears.
I was like, they are perfect together and they're they're a great couple. And I'm sitting here going like, is this what it is is all about?
Now?
Is that if you go out there at our age and you're dating, You're like, I guess I'm gonna have to dip in to the you know, the millennials, the felonist millennials, and.
Maybe like some gen z.
Look what is the cutoff for gen z? That feels too young to be honest, but I don't know.
Well, here's and here's my thoughts on this. Here's my thoughts on this. Millennials. I can understand the statement or the inclination for women our age to say you got to date younger for a couple of standout reasons. One, the millennial children were helicopter parented, so they have a level of care that is instilled in them, and that kind of raises their standards a bit about how they take care of themselves and others. I totally get that. But this is also the generation that created milts, So they like to date older women. And I am not about to be anyone's mama.
You know.
My main dating edict is I am not dragging anyone through fucking life. And so they look at women our age and they're like milk, and I'm like, I am no one's mama, and I'm not about to mama you. And if you think I'm attractive because I'm older, that's something that's part of your generation. I told that's totally fine, but I think it comes with extra added element of you will take care of me and I am not about to do that. Shit. Yeah, is there a.
It could there be a divorce between like can you be into MILFs and not want to be parented?
Is that or is that just like part of.
Is that part of the process is that part and party of wanting to get with a milf is that you're like, I'm also directionless and I need somebody to help me with my career and my laundry.
And I think subconsciously, yes, even if they don't.
Know it, yes, huh, that does not bode well for my life.
Thank you and thank you because you know my again, my knee jerk reaction is to go ten times older. I'm like, let me find a seventy year old. I have a friend who's got his own business and he was talking about this investor who lives locally and I was like, yo, what's his deal? And he's like, what do you mean? And I'm like, will you hook me up? Because he seems like he's an older gentleman who's divorced already, has had his children, so he's not looking for any more, is pretty secure in his job in life, and does not want to be around me all the time. That sounds great, and he's like, but that's my business partner, and I'm like, I don't give a shit. I will fuck up your business if it means I get to get fucked a little bit. I don't care like you got to be a true friend in these situations and think globally, act locally. I'll fuck your investor, like let's make it hast So that's where my brain goes, is like go older, because they don't want to pressure you to put more people on this planet. They don't want to pressure you to like help them figure there. They already have their shit figured out to a certain excess.
Some of them.
I mean, like we talked about in a previous episode, sometimes they want you to go to the doctor's appointments and help them get their lipitur yeah, refills. I mean it's like it's not a perfect I mean my thing about dating even guys my age, I just don't want to date anybody who's just grumpy all the time. I'm like, yo, I know so many grumpy jed X dudes who are just so grouchy and so like.
Guided by voice, this is the best bet ever.
Do not bring that justin Bieber shit around me, Like I like things the way I like them, hug.
Yeah, nobody wants to date that.
Yeah.
But that's the thing is that I feel like that that is something that was part of our generation.
Is this like for better or for worse. I mean, we've talked about it.
It's like that idea of saying true to your ideals and you know, not selling out and these kind of things. But I think that can extend to romance where I'm just like, ugh, I need a little passion, I need a little you know.
Yes, enjoy things. Just enjoy things in your life so that when we hang out you we can talk about and enjoy things together. Yeah.
I always told myself that.
I I always tell myself that I could never truly be compatible with someone who was embarrassed to dance in public.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, because I'm a fool when I dance, and I need someone who matches that full Yeah. I feel like that is like something and I don't really have hard and fast rules about that kind of stuff, but like, I want to dance with somebody, with somebody who loves me. And if you're not that, like, if you have a reservation about it, I get like people have anxieties and you know, people are not like always extroverted and stuff.
But if you're just like I do not dance.
I have a fundamental reason why I don't want to look like an asshole, then I'm like this can't work because I don't have that within me, you know, no.
Like I do. I'm like, oh, I don't dance because I just don't have that kind of joy in my heart. But sometimes I do. I'm not afraid of dancing. I just have to feel it in the right way. You, however, I would be intimidated to dance and date you because you're like you take like Janet Jackson classes like you move, but you can do Rhythm Nation eighteen fourteen from beginning to end. You could do the cour I've been trying to learn the choreography to new editions if it isn't love for about ten years. Oh that's easy. That's like botown are you for you? You brought Maha shouturday in a thousand pieces. If it is love, you're doing it now. You're doing all the moves just sitting down.
See that's because I'm a fucking idiot. Like I'm a fucking idiot that has nothing to do with skill. That's just because I'm still like perpetually in middle school where I think that like everything is like a bell biv devot, Yeah, dance number And I don't know what happened that that part of my brain did not develop or I developed a shame about what I look like when I'm dancing.
I just I'm like, oh, I'm fucking amazing.
And you are, You're very good at it. I feel.
Considers you are.
Regulate, but they need to know, like anyone who's dating you needs to know, they don't have to match your energy. They just have to be able to get out there.
I'm gonna tell you right now. There are times where I come to my dance class on Saturday mornings and I'm like, can is this a tworking day? If I work in this class, I'm going to be out for the rest of the weekend.
Like I'm literally like it is a.
Conscious decision to t work. Like I'm just like, if I get that low, then I'm gonna be on the couch all day long the next day.
Like there's like it's like.
A towerk hangover and I have to pourt myself in that spot to do it. I am absolutely crying at the idea that if you to work on Saturday, you have to change your plans on Monday.
Oh, yes, like Sunday, I'm not doing shit.
Like if you call me on a Sunday after I made the decision to to work the prior day. You're like, I'm gonna be like, sorry, unless you're going one of the movies with the heated seats so I can waste my low back and my ass that we're in a movie theater.
I cannot stand it is a just a fart feeling. I don't want to sit in a fart feeling while I'm watching a movie. I hate him. I hate the fucking heat of seats. I'm like, just stay at home with a heating pad. I don't need to sit in because I know people are already farting into those seats. I don't need to be brought to the surface of my own consciousness that like, oh, yeah, I'm sitting in farts. But I get it if you're trying to, like, you know, relax in me. That's the only thing you're doing. The next day of you're getting out of the house after a tork class. But let me ask you this, does your instructor offer twork modifications?
Oh, the whole class is about modification, Because that's that's the thing is that Kevin, Kevin Maddox, who is the teacher of this class, He's a legend I'm like obsessed with his class. He's literally like a guru. He would be like my guru if I if I had to follow guru. You know a lot of older people take his class because they've been follow him for thirty years.
So he's totally about It's like a playground. You get to do whatever you want.
You could be very self contained and like do like tiny little movements, or you could go to work up the wall and do whatever you want. It's it's very and and people take that option. I mean people are like modifying here and there. So yeah, not it's that required a towerk every class. I But to me, it's kind of a fitness goal to twerk, if you know what I'm saying, because it feels like, okay, that means that I can get into a squat. That means my lower back isn't a good good spot. There're no psiotica and none of that. And so but the problem is is that I can't just like do it all the time anymore.
I have to make a conscious.
Decision if I'm gonna go full out. You know what, if you're you're working up to twirk it out, I don't want that.
Twerk hangover the next day where I'm like, uh, I can't move heating pad.
You gotta use the what is it like, the tiger bomb?
A lot of tiger bomb. I'll take it back to Dones. Give me some domes, just a radiating red patch on the back of a black and white sketch. That is where I'm at. I'll take some dons off of eBay. I don't give a fuck. Vixvapo rub Let's make a sandwich out of these bombs. Dones, Vix, tiger bomb, all of you get together and do your thing. Light my back on fucking fire with your medicine.
Also, the inner thighs, like when you're when you're doing when you're in a deep tork state like that, sometimes you're like, oh, yeah, I have pains in my inner thighs, which doesn't look good recovery wise.
But whatever deep state should be a CIA operative initiative. We're in deep tork state, locked on the target.
I don't know how we got to this point. I don't know how we got here, but we had to provide a map we couldn't. We started with yoga, We started with country classes.
We worked up to felonies. We skidaddled over to.
Dating dating millennials.
Dating millennials, and that we got to work operatives, we got range. I think that's a good place to start the show from.
Let's go, Let's go, let's go, let's go.
Let's go.
Cuz I'm tworking in my chair.
Does it look like I'm talking?
It looks like your farts are lifting you into the air. Let's go. Let's go.
Oh, maybe it broke my chair.
So that intro was very psychotic, and we're going to keep it going with this theme this week, which this is Danielle. This is all Danielle.
I mean, it really is. The theme is the and the film choices are totally.
Tell tell them what it is, tell them the thing.
Our theme this week is Nicole Kidman. You're probably fine.
I bailed deeply in my bones in my experience as a movie and television viewer that if Nicole Kidman is acting with a child, something.
Is going to go terribly, terribly wrong.
Is this a Mother's Day tribute, by the way, a Mother's Day?
This is our Mother's Day episode this year. Yes, And I think when we were mapping out some future episodes, I think I said that I'm like, oh, for Mother's Day, this would be great, and you were like, excuse me.
I find that it's like a rewarding challenge to think of the most fucked up ways to celebrate these holidays that we have.
Absolutely, this is a.
Good one, honestly, like yours.
This is like such a funny theme to me because you're so right, Like, how many times has Nicole Kidman played the like beleaguered mother of like it like having to deal with a truly deranged scenario within her own family.
The Woman's got a gift. The Woman's got a gift?
Wow? Wow?
Uh.
These two movies are entirely crazy.
Yeah, yeah, they're both different end of the spectrum. Like if you're like, oh oh, here's a crazy spectrum, here's wildness stretched out in a line at either end, as Nicole Kidman acting in these films.
And I think an alternate theme for the week is crazy little boys who are ruining families?
Like absolutely, oh absolutely, the allt theme is little boys, Watch watch them.
Damien from the Omen has nothing on these two little motherfuckers. Ah truly, because I feel like, you know what I felt like happened. I feel like this week you all, but I think you picked both the movies.
Yeah, and I.
And the funny thing is is that I actually thought I had never seen my movie before, but in fact I had. I had logged it on a letterbox, which was so stupid of me. I was like, I've never seen this movie, but I gotta say I liked it a lot more now than I did whenever I watched it.
Oh yeah, we'll sure it has a different.
Spit now, but yeah, I definitely. Uh. I've always liked liked your film this week for its weirdness, and it was also my introduction to that director y and my film I have not seen in ages, and it was so much more fraud than I remembered it being. And I'm I'm going to have to spoil my film because there is something important for people to know so that they want to keep listening to me discuss it.
Okay, that's that's a good ellipsies, I will say I was. It was a first time watch, another fucked up first time watch from you. And there was a moment of your film where I literally paused it and was like, baby girl, what is you doing?
Daniel Hunerson, like, baby girl, what is.
You doing here?
There's so many moments like that in my movie take your pick.
Oh yeah, no, I will probably it'll probably come up because it is I was like, whoa, what the phone?
But I dude, I love when these movies come up, like these types of this.
Like week where it's like a week of a week like two weird films, and I honestly can't wait to get into it.
I think I'm going first this week.
You're first, so so not, Let's knock it out of the park.
To working again, to working again in my chair.
New edition, new edition moves. I don't love a. I try to tell myself love her.
What So my movie is from twenty seventeen written by Eptinus Philippoo and your Ghost Lanthemos, directed by your Ghost Lanthemos, that is called The Killing of a Sacred Deer. But I don't understand why I should have to pay the price, my children should have to pay the prize.
So this movie was my I know that a lot of people recently were like, oh, Barry Kyogan Saltburn, what a freak. This was my introduction to Barry Kyogen as well as Yerogoaslanthemo's. And from the minute I saw that little motherfucker pop on the screen. I was like, he is a straight freak, and I cannot wait for the decades of film he's going to give us.
I'm gonna read to you from my notes. This is a direct quote from my notes on this movie. Martin is played by y'all's weird sweetheart Barry Kyog. What is wrong with y'all loving Barry Kyog? He literally plays a creepy ass baby dude in every movie just because he showed you his dick and Saltburn never trust a big butt in a smile?
Why did everybody forget that?
Oh my god, listen, I'm telling you right now. On my Facebook feed, which I don't even dip into Facebook, that often, all of my jested reels are Barry Kyog related.
Really, And I do not know how that happened, because.
I certainly wasn't going to look for him, you know, like whatever, after I saw Saltburn and realized he was like fucking a grave, wasn't like I was like Berry Kyog fucking grave scene, yes, yes, more, I'm like no, no, no. He suddenly is just like all all over my Facebook feed, and they're very horny. All these reels are very horny fan videos, and I'm like, what is wrong with y'all?
That's wrong with y'all.
We'll also point out that he played a weird baby freak, little baby man. How did she say? What was in your notes? Oh?
I said, creepy ass baby dude.
He also played a creepy has baby dude. Incher Nobyle Berry Kyogan is unstoppable.
Yes, that's what I'm saying, and so it's very.
Jarring to hear some of y'all saying yes, yes, daddy. I'm like, no, he's knowing you who he is is in every fucking role and I love I love him for it. Yes, he's a great actor one telegraphing. He is not pretending that he is not a straight up creepy baby dude freak.
Yeah.
I mean, like this is again, I mean, maybe we're gonna go back to these millennials and perhaps some Gen Z people with like the horny the horny thing. I'm just like, y'all, y'all, y'all love a weird dude.
Y'all love a weird dude.
As a fellow person who loves a weird dude, I appreciate that it has continued through the Generations.
Well, he's a fantastic actor for this.
Yeah, and you know the fact that he was like dancing around naked and Saulburne, I guess is good for y'all too. But I mean I just was literally like watching this movie going here it goes again, Like here it goes again, because obviously you look at this movie and you're like, okay, here's like a you know, this was like pre banshe's of an a share in with the Colin Farrell and you know, the very connection.
And I'm like, he was weird in that too, y'all.
Yeah, like super weird.
And just because he has a six pack, huh.
I see, he's tiny and he has a six pack. He's unthreatening and that's the unthreatening sexiness that I think a lot of people will appreciate. And he's beautiful. He's a beautiful, beautiful man. But he has since he came on the scene. For me, I have not been able to approach any level of horniness because he has always been this fucking freak.
Yes, sometimes it's like you're too good, You're too good at doing a role.
Ah, imagine him in a comedy.
I'm just saying, no, I can't like it just ain't doing it.
He ain't doing it. He's like, Oh, there's a comedy, like a straight up Jim Carrey style ninety comedy where I get to play a dad who doesn't get he's wants custody of his son, and all of a sudden he's just everything he says he's lying. Like imagine being Barry Kyogan in Liar Liar, Yeah.
Like he would be like a six worshiper neighbor and meet the Fokkers.
He wouldn't be like he's like, you know what I want to do instead like this is a great role. How fun can we remake hacksing?
Yeah?
Instead, Like I do not know this man, but I do know that that's how his brain works. He's always going to the weirdest, weirdest possible option and I love him for it.
Oh true.
And like I listen, I did a lot of like supplemental research for this episode, and I did watch the episode of Hot Ones where he was and I was like, he's weird on hot Ones too.
Gotta be honest, like, you know, I don't know, Like I mean, I'm.
Kind of loving this for y'all, but you know, for me, I'm just like, nah, too many, there was like too many of the psycho roles that it formed, you know, because he was crazy and Sulburn.
Hello, he's too good, too good.
Yeah, I'm just saying that this makes him an artist. I'm not disparaging him or body shaming him or dick shaming him or whatever.
We love him.
We love him.
He's so good in this movie.
So obviously, a one sentence synopsis for the film would be a fucked up, freaky sixteen year old boy controls the destiny of an entire family. Absolutely, that is pretty much the basis of it. Okay, So I want to talk just a tiny bit about your Ghost. Lanthemo's the director of this film. I mean, I think we would be fans, We would consider ourselves fans of him right on the pod.
I think he directed Poor Things obviously, which has got you know, all the Oscars.
But we love the Favorite. We've talked about the Favorite before, and you know he's done Dog Tooth and the Lobster where he worked with Colin Ferrell, Pryor. The one thing that I think is just super great about yrgust Lanthemus though, is that I was reading that before he started in experimental theater yep. And I just had to say, I think that some of the most interesting, highly creative people ever come from that world.
Absolutely absolutely.
I was just I just watched I finally watched Yalodorowski's Dune.
I don't know if you've anybody seen that documentary about Alejandro Yanarowski, the director of you know, El Topo and Holy Mountain, who sort of had this very famous attempt at making Dune in the seventies that didn't pan out and then David Lynch made it. But Alejandro Yanarowski is he was. It was that kind of thing where it was like he's he was too creative to be in Hollywood in that way, like they're like, oh, like we're shopping around this like twelve hour insane like dude adaptation with like Salvador Vali and Orson Wells and like you know, like his son. Like it was just like too creative, and they were like, sorry, we do not give money to people that have creativity. So anyway, he's come from experimental theater. Andy Milligan if anybody knows who Andy Milligan is, the director, Uh, he was an experimental theater guy. But you know, Willem Dafoe, who is we've talked about, Shirley Stoler, who we've talked about, Like all these really interesting creative directors, character actors, they've all come from experimental theater. And I just think it's like, here's a pipeline for creating genuine, actual weirdos in this world.
And I love it. I love it so agree I could not agree with that.
I have some friends who belong to a kind of experimental theater group in New York called the New York New York Futurists, and I just went to their anniversary show a few weeks ago, and it's just, you know, like quick two to four minute plays, like just quick plays, and they're so creative, and they're so interesting, and they use their bodies in interesting ways, and they use things that you would never even consider, and it just ends up always being the most creative and hilarious and thoughtful experience. Like there is something to be said for coming up in that world, for sure, I know.
And that's the thing, kids, I'm speaking to you right now. Get into experimental theater. Say save the planet, save the art, be genuinely weird and make weird art.
We need you, and.
It's also like, I feel like you're Groslanthemus kind of kicked off for a minute there. Maybe it's still I think. I feel like it's still going on, but I feel like he kicked off this era of Greek filmmakers who were doing this kind of experimental stuff. I don't know if you saw in the movie Apples by Christos Niku.
No, you've mentioned that before on the podcast.
I have to watch it again. I would encourage you to watch it. I loved it, and I think it fell through the cracks because it came out in November of twenty twenty, and it is about a worldwide pandemic, so it's about but the pandemic in the film is that there's there's this thing happening where people just get sudden amnesia and if you're not claimed, like if nobody comes and says, yep, that's my dad, then you just go to this facility, like this recovery program that's supposed to help you to like figure out how to build a new life because you forgot who you were completely. And it's just an interesting, weird film, and I feel like there's like this real Greek revival happening in that way, in that experimental space. So I just I kind of love to see it, And I know people had a lot of problems with some people had a lot of problems with poor things because you know, the premise is that Emma Stone is playing a highly section old person who has the mind of an actual baby. But I think that you know, feel about that movie, how you how you will. But your groslanthemos in general is pushing every envelope, like pushing them across the table, making paper airplanes out of them and throwing them into space. Like I like and need that kind of creator. I need someone who's willing to be like, what's the weirdest fucking shit we can do? And then they do it and it turns out fantastically.
I know, And like I get into these moments, I think too where cyclically for me for my media consumption, I go through these periods of of of like getting into more kind of mass culture stuff. So like right now, you know, like for the past couple months, I've been in like a cheerful mood, so I'm listening to a lot of like pop music and very like commercialized things. Right I watch like Reality shows sometimes and uh, it's it's usually I usually glom onto these things. I realize when I'm in the war, like, so I want the entertainment that is not what I'm doing in my everyday life, which right now it's like I'm in grad school, I'm doing a podcast, I'm writing about film.
I'm just constantly in this like theoretical space.
So whenever I want to tune out, I'm like, oh, I want to go listen to freakin' you know whomever, like Dua Lipa or you know, like dance music, very you know, mass cultury types of things, fan or pump this kind of stuff. And sometimes when I'm in that mode too much, I start thinking I need to go back to really weird, fucked up art again. You know.
I am along and I'm like, how about this for our movie this week?
Welcome Home, Baby, Welcome Home.
So yes, so I've been this has been, this has been on the brain for me for the last couple of weeks.
So yeah, this is like, He's a director that.
I think is a perfect you know, come come back from the Taylor Swift world and live in this fucked up experimental theater director world. So anyway, I very much appreciate him for that. But so, first thing off the bat for.
This movie, if you haven't seen it, maybe you have, maybe you haven't. This movie is very stylized.
Okay, there's this kind of like uncanny creepy quality to it, I would say, because of the way it's shot. But also everyone is doing that kind of flat acting style, like kind of like in like Wes Anderson movies, where this film my god, yeah, and it's everybody across the board and they're saying ridiculous things, which is this is kind of why it's also funny.
This movie is funny, which you thinking?
So do you think it's funny? I thought it was kind of funny. Yes, There's so many points that are fucking hilarious, especially when he's like my daughter started menstruating today and you're like.
What I know?
And like at a party and like and Barry's character is always like obsessed with like all the little boys are obsessed with people's arm, hair and stuff. It's like, what, like what is going on? But also just like moments where we're gonna talk about Colin Farrell again, I'm sorry we're gonna talk about me.
I cannot think of an actor that is currently working that I adore more than just as a person on the fucking planet, but also the work they're choosing to do.
Dude, I know this isn't the thing I was gonna say.
So. I watched several interviews with both your ghost Lanthemos but also Colin Ferrell, and like, remember that episode we did about in Bruges where we basically were like, remember when he was a party boy and he sucked and now he's awesome.
That's this again.
Was another moment where I was like, I love him so much. Now I love him so much.
Like he's fantastic, and I have it on good authority that he is a fantastic person in real life as well. Like he's very dedicated to his children, one of whom has disabilities. He's like super dedicated to his life now as a parent and a person who wants to be good in this world. He's always showing up for like you know, protests and during the strikes, and like he's a good dude. He lives in my friend's neighborhood. Oh I oh yeah.
Watching him do these interviews, he's very thoughtful and soulful, and he's really smart like I'm like, I love him, and like we said, like back in the kind of what is it early two thousands era where he was like wearing white slaveless undershirts with like big pants and he just kind of had that like party boy thing, right, and I was like, ugh, no, like he kind of was wrapped up in that hole, Like I don't know, did he date like Britney Spears or something, like he.
Was wrapped up in that whole circle.
And yeah, and now I'm like, oh, he made it through the wilderness. Somehow, he made it through and look at him now, he's like this totally amazing, Like I love him.
I love him what I love him. He's so great. I think that there's something so special about having because he was shot onto the scene as a hot person. Yeah, so he believed that was his only value for a very long time, that he was a hot person. And I'm going I'm taking it back to Bally Kiss Angel. He was in this weird Irish TV show that I kind of love, but he was shot onto the scene as a hot person. We've watched him realize that he is actually an artist and that is fucking special.
Yes, I think he doesn't believe his only.
Value is in his looks anymore, because I think that's what fucked him up in the early two thousands. He's like, well, I'm hot, What else am I going to do? I know?
And that's kind of like the best case scenario for like any young actor that's like hot on the scene right now, is that that they just grow into like a decent older person, you know what I mean. Absolutely, they have perspective and they can like come away from that like party day like where they're the center of attention and be like it even kills like, you know, like normal individual because I can't even imagine what it must be like to be like right, literally like the it boy of an entire industry, you know.
Right, I know, I'm I'm proud of him. Weirdly, I love you know how much I love to project on certain actors. Sure, but I'm very proud of him, and I feel like there's been a mental health shift and he was in a really dangerous spot for a while where I'm like, I love this dude as long for this world. Yeah, talk about turning it the fuck around. He's forty seven. Yeah, he's from a place called Castle knock in Ireland, which what Yeah, I'll go check that place out.
Yeah, let's hang Like I forgot that he's old, like a couple of years older than us, Like.
What the he's a fucking see, he's our constituents, our age group, and be proud of him.
We could be proud of him. He's one of us.
He lost his fucking mind when he got hot and famous. No one from our generation was prepared for that shit.
Yeah, no one literally.
Yeah, but he kills He is so good in this fucking movie, and it presents such a different side of his abilities as an actor.
Yeah, and also just like he can, he's so fucking funny. It's almost like he doesn't even know how funny he is. Sometimes there's like there are like line reads in this movie that fucking kill me. I'll like talk about that in a second. But but like the movie generally, though, is this like flat acting. There's this constant technique where they're like the cameras kind of like zooming in and out slowly from these like medium to kind of wide shots, and it's very Stanley Kubrick. I'm sure I'm not like discovering the Adam by saying that because I've seen there also are videos online where people were like, look at this movie, isn't it just like The Shining And I'm like, yes, probably, uh, but that's if you want to just get oriented about the style. It's very Kubrickian, I would say. Okay, So Colin Farrell plays this man named Stephen, and he is a cardiologist surgeon. He has a wife who's played by Nicole Kidman, two kids, and not for nothing, maybe has a little bit of a drinking problem.
Right, So at the beginning of.
The movie, he you understand, I guess that he's he's befriended this like sixteen year old boy named Martin who is played by creepy ass baby dude legend himself, Barry Kyogan. Now Martin's dad has passed away. Okay, so that is established pretty early. Satty said that there's also something definitely wrong with Martin. Apart from that treachy Like, I know, I just said that everybody in this movie has this like kind of detach dialogue style, but he's also intense as fuck on top of.
That completely, So just to give you a taste.
Of like what this kid is like, and he's very strange, very strange. Stephen takes you know, the kid home to the family almost immediately, right, and it really is kind of like Tioima slash Saltburn weirdly enough situation where this kid kind of comes in and he's just kind of like casting a weird spell on all these people in this family. Like people are like, huh, he's O great, what's going on. The kids are like, you know, oh my god, we we love hanging out with this guy. The young boy is like, show me your armpit hair. The girl is like, I think I'm in love with you. Like, he's just kind of like a presence in the family really immediately. And then you know there's this like Steven feeling kind of this I don't know, weird guilt about his situation. So he has made his way into this family. Okay, now all of that is about to change because one day, Martin confronts Stephen in the hospital and it's revealed that basically Stephen may have accidentally killed Martin's father in surgery because of his drinking. Okay, and the way that this is rolled out is one of like the creepiest conversations I think I've ever seen in a movie.
Yeah, yeah, it is. It's intense.
It is straight up sociopath hours from Martin, Like it's just very like his His style in that moment, like Barry Kogan's style in this moment is bone chilling basically, and he basically says. Martin says to Stephen that Okay, so this happened. You killed my fucking dad. So in order to balance the universe, you're gonna have to kill a member of of your family or if you don't, they're all gonna die.
Which at first you're like, did he just think of this himself? Yeah, because like he's like, here's what's gonna happen if you don't do this, and there are like stages of the breakdown of his family, and you're like, this kid was already weird and intense. Who thinks a shit like this? And then when you're like, oh, wait, is this just the world we live in where it's possible? It's very very strange, but continue.
Absolutely so obviously I think Steven at first is like the subsurd. But then one day his son, his youngest son, wakes up and he.
Can't walk, legs don't work.
They run a battery of tests on the kid and it's very Regan from The Exorcist, like lots of weird, clanky MRI machines and shit like that, like a lot of testing, scary, scary, scary, nothing's coming up. Like they're like, we don't know what's going on. So he's getting sacred by the minute though, that's the thing. And they put him in the hospital and he was like refusing to eat. There's a scene where Colin Ferrell's character is like shoving donuts in his son's mouth.
And he's like, you.
Better eat this dozen donuts before I.
Get back or else.
I'm like, God, I wish, I wish that was my life. Wish somebody would force me to eat donuts instead of just wanting to. Anyway, that's a great scene for me. I love that scene. But then also here comes the daughter. Now she fucking strugs to funk. As Danielle says, veryone's legs are being taken out, yeah, and they're crawling on the ground. I mean, this is it is like strugs too funk. And then Martin in the meantime, it's just sitting back on yo, I'm killing everybody with my goddamn and you can't do anything about it, like, oh, he is good, straight up chilling while this is happening.
But it's like.
The one of the scenes that I think is like one of the creepiest in the movie for me, was there was a scene where Martin is being visited after all this stuff is happening, and he's just straight up acting like a psycho and he's like eating a plate of spaghetti that is so this plate of spaghetti is so unappetizing.
We have not seen the likes of this since.
Gummo and border Hondo fucking percent blows both of them out of the water. And those are some creepy ass scenes.
Listen, I'm going online right out a letterbox, and I'm creating a list that says movies where the spaghetti looks disgusting.
And spaghetti adds a creep factor that is unparalleled.
I mean, I can't even think of a food a food stuff that can be rendered this disgusting, Like I guess maybe a gross sandwich or something, but like a gross play of spaghetti. There's something extra. I don't know if it's because of the tendrils like I don't know what.
Ugh, and the sauce all over the mouth like they're not paying attention to like cleaning it. It's very very intense to have bad spaghetti.
Well, okay, so here comes Mama Bear, great big Mama Bear herself, Nicole, Thanks Sweepson. Sweeps In is like, we're gonna figure this shit out right fucking now. Everyone's falling apart in my family. She's got her husband like rifling through the kitchen cabinets looking for pubes because because they're like, we gotta break a spell.
What are we gonna do here?
Like, what's happening with our family? None of our kids can walk or eat? Where are the pubes? Where did you keep the pubes? That is like one of my favorite scenes. And actually that's the scene where I think Colin Ferrell is the funniest.
Absolutely And you might think you're having a fever dream right now listening to this description, you're not. This is actually what happens in this movie.
But he's like just like throwing up the like all of the you know, cutlery and shit, being like and they're like desperate to find out what the fuck is going on with their kids.
I get it, but it's like that's.
The line that this movie balances, is that there's like horrible things happening, but it's also kind of funny because it's.
Weird, you know, So their reactions are really funny until they get like horror filled, of course, but the reactions are hilarious because they refuse to believe this little creepy baby dude who's like, I'm telling you what's happening, Yes, why don't you believe me?
Of course, which is you know, like everyone's trying to base their lives on logic, but his little fucking menace is putting this shit out of the universe. Look, Nicole, she's just trying to keep it together. She's just trying to get information about this kid and her husband essentially and how they're involved. That she's so obsessed with trying to find out the truth that she gives one of the most dispassionate hand jobs in cinema.
History another letterbox category, I.
Know, dispassionate hand jobs in cinema, like very uncomfortable, And it's like the guy that works in the hospital with her husband and she's just like, I need to go through the files, and he's like, what am I gonna get out of it? And like, I don't know, I guess we're gonna go to the bottom of a fucking parking deck.
Also, who says that to a mother who's like, my children can't walk? Suddenly? Yes, she's like, what am I gonna get out of it? You're like, you fucking creep?
Look would we say that like straight white men are unstoppable? This is why it's because they're like, hey, when am I going to get out of it?
You're grieving?
He what will your grief do for me? And how will it involve my penis?
Yeah, why don't you just like squeeze me off while you look into the middle distance?
Can we call this episode grief penis? Why not?
We named something titties the other day, So let's just keep going on that room. But it was it's like just as a disturbing scene, but it's also like she's like reached the point of no return at some point. At some point she actually says this to her husband, the Colin Farrell character.
She's just like, let's just kill the kids.
We can just have more.
Like they're they're strugs to funk. I think they're gone. I think they're goners.
When she's say like, we should just let's just have more kids. It's not too late. It's like, Wow, people are losing their goddamn minds. And I used to say, like not for nothing too, because we did talk about eyeswead Shut, and obviously we just invoked Kubrick in this episode. But like, she gets more naked in the killing of a Sacred Deer than she does an Eyeswead Shut. I'm just saying, yeah, much more naked and much more sexual weirdly, I know, and she gets her bottoms off of this movie and like everybody thought that I sweat shot was this like erotic masterpiece.
I'm like, have you seen the Killing a Sacred Nearer?
So sex life is so weird, Like it's just all so strange.
It's a strange world that you're thrust into.
I know, yeah, there's like this like we're not king Shame and anybody, why would we do that? But you know, she also acts like a dead body in order to have sex.
With Also, necrophilia's on the table, which is a sentence I did not think I would say this week or ever.
Yeah, a lot of weird shit entering the chat in this movie, for sure, But but then eventually, look, they get so desperate that they they take Martin and they trap him down in the basement and beat his ass like Hugh Jackman does in Prisoners, Like this kid is ruined.
In my life.
Let's just trap him and beat him up.
And at one point Martin bites off his own skin, which is so lovely.
Oh good in a movie full of creepy scenes, that has to be the creepiest.
Oh it's it's pretty pretty gnarly, I will.
Say, because.
Yeah, I thought I was desensitize to.
All this gore, but once in a while it rocks me. Gotta admit. But look, I mentioned all these details to you, but I gotta wrap this up.
I would not ever give away the ending because it's just so bizarre, and it will. It is so easy, like once you finish this movie, it's so easy to go down that rabbit hole of what does it mean?
And trust me, there's a lot.
Of people making weird YouTube videos trying to ask that question of what does this movie mean? What is this movie about? And you'll see a lot of varied stuff. I mean, there's like very like poignant, well done you know what is this movie mean? Videos made by content creators. And then I watched one where literally like a middle aged man had two parrots sitting on his shoulder and it was like he was filmed in almost complete darkness. He didn't use a ring light or anything. He is just like an older guy sitting in darkness with two parrots on his shoulder, and he's like just casually discussing this film.
Yeah, this movie was made for him. This movie was made for him.
I know exactly. I was like, this is fucking brilliant. Like I love the disparate takes on this film on YouTube, but like this movie is, like I said, I think I liked it a lot more now than I did back when I guess when I first watched it. It's very stylish, very interesting, very weird. Colin Farrell is fantastic, Like he's really fantastic this movie. And I love Nicole, Like I always get reminded every time I watch Nicole Caman movies, I get reminded again and again how I I think she sort of transcends her fame where I think she's just a legit artist, Like she's like, you know, when.
We talk about The Hours, when we've talked about.
Far and Away, what other Nicole Kidman movies have we talked about on the podcast, like so many.
So many, but she's, like you said, Stanley Kubrick, we did eyes shut. Yeah.
So she's one of these rare people I think where she can straddle that line between being like an actual famous she can play like she can be in Bewitched with Will Ferrell, and then she can be in a movie like this, Like it's I think it's rare that you can be in both worlds. And I mean, trust me, a lot of like super famous people want to be in both worlds. Like they're like, yeah, cool, I want to be Brad Pitt in this movie, but then I also want to play like a scabies infested serial killer and stuff like indie drama.
You know, like so many people want that for themselves.
But I think it takes it's I think it's like a fine line that you actually achieve it in that way.
And I think Kim and is that you know.
I could not agree more. I could not agree more.
But I gotta say, the medical stuff in this film will give you a panic attack.
I texted you and I said that to you.
I was like, I have definitely hit my fucking quota of watching little kids get spital taps on movies for this goddamn podcast.
I'm done. I've watched too many, but.
That contributes to the creepiness of this film. So having said all that, I think it's a banger. Thank you for picking it, honestly, thank you for picking.
Thank you for being willing to watch it even though you forgot you already had.
Yes, I did, but it was great. I love it when I forget.
Yeah, it's I'm so and it fits the theme so perfectly. There's a philosophical element to this film. I love a movie where I walk away and I have my own thoughts, or where I can dig into someone else's thought process about what they saw. Like I just I love the universe of this movie because it makes you think while you're watching it. It throws you into a certain place while you're watching it, and then it takes you out and puts you in a totally different place. It is truly masterful. How much comes up just simply in viewing this film.
Mm hmm, I one hundred percent agree. And your movie is next, and my movie.
Does very similar things.
Yeah, Now this was a first watch for you, it was, and you're welcome.
Fuck you.
You thought you were gonna skape by this year with no not being freaked out at all, and here I come on Mother's Day, like, guess what, motherfucker A two for a two for freak out?
What a gift? What a gift.
My movie was released in two thousand and four. It was written by Jean Claud Carrier, Milo Adisha, and Jonathan Glazer. It was directed by Jonathan Glazer. My movie is birth.
I might understand that that ten year old boy that came to my birthday party unannounced, uninvited, is now claiming told you he was your late husband Sean.
Now, I'm going to start with the one sentence, but we're going on a ride. I just want everyone to know that up top. The one sentence synopsis is if you live in a city, don't trust the little kid who says he's been reincarnated as your dead husband. Live in a city, I mean, if you live in the country, you expect that kind of shit.
You're like, oh, yeah, that's Randy.
Down the road. He thinks he's a reincarnation of my dead husband.
Something about the city makes that terrible.
So the whole premise of this film, which we get at the beginning and a beautiful shot, like a beautiful continuous shot. Is that Nicole Kidman's husband. She plays his character named Anna, and her husband dies while running in Central Park. He collapses in a tunnel and is gone. And they are young people, like there are people in their twenties, you would think, like mid to late twenties. And so it's a sudden collapse that is not We don't dig into the reason, the reasoning, like was it a hard thing? We don't know why. But he's dead. And Jonathan Glazer, a lot of you might know because he's kind of a He's not like a Yurgo's lanthemost level freak, but he definitely is that theatrical background freak that I love. And you know him whether you know it or not. He has done films like Sexy Beast. He just won an Oscar for his last film, The Zone of Interest. But what you might know him for the most is directing a little video called Virtual Insanity by Jamir Qui.
Yes, a foundational text.
Okay, he also directed Karma Police by Radiohead, but Jamierquiz Virtual Insanity was the pinnacle of music videos and we all know it, and I don't care if you want to admit it, nothing has been better or blown our minds the same way since, although I will say Missy Elliott is right under there, but not in that mind blowing way, but just in that like, oh shit, this is so cool way. Oh just so I'm looking at it.
He directed the video for do you remember that Richard Ashcroft song?
A song for the lovers?
That song rules you play yourself with the lovers to night, dude, I love it.
Yeah, he has done so much, also striving from Nick Cave, my favorite Nick Cave song, Into My Arms. He did a video for that. Yeah. Do you remember?
Speaking of do you remember there was that year that Chris Rock hosted the MTV Music Awards and he did a spoof on that Jamiroquai video where a bird poked.
Him in the eye. Hit that shit makes me laugh so much.
I got that vie totally right. Oh good. So we're coming from the mind of someone who has a background in like this intensely artistic community that he talks about frequently. And you know, he has a background in theater as a background and as a lot of people who came up directing in the early two thousands. He has a deep background in music videos and commercials, and he's just kind of an interesting guy, and so this movie comes from that brain essentially. And so when we meet Anna, we can tell that she's still grieving, not just because we meet her in a graveyard ten years later, kind of crying over her husband's grave, but she's wearing ug boots with bare legs in the middle of the winter, so you're like, oh, there's something off here. And part of what's off is that she's rich, and rich people don't ever consider being outside for long. They don't have to be because they're just like, I'm just going to jump on my car that's always there waiting for me warm, and then I'm going to go jump on my private jet, Like why do I have a coat? Like who needs it? So her husband is dead, and then a baby is born, and then we cut to ten years later and she's in this graveyard and she is newly engaged to Joe Joseph, who's played by Danny Houston, who I must say has never looked taught her than he does in this film. Ooh interesting, just throwing that out there, and he's kind of like, you know, they're having this engagement party and he's talking about how it took her like five years to be ready to marry him, and he kept asking, like he really pursued her, he wanted to be with her, and she finally said yes, So they're getting married now. While this is happening upstairs. Downstairs is a couple who and the couple is comprised of Peter Stormyer who plays Clifford and you know him from every eighties villain role and Anne hash rest in Peace Queen who played Clara, his wife. And Clara does not want to go to this party. She's having an absolute fucking breakdown in the lobby about the present and she's like, I can't, like this isn't right. I forgot the bow and he goes up without her, and she's having her own private little breakdown moment while this incredibly eerie little kid is just sitting in the lobby staring at her, and she runs off to the park. We don't know why she's freaking out at this point. We will eventually learn why, but she runs off to the park because of course, this family lives on Central Park West, and buries the original present and then just goes and buys another present. But the kid follows her and she doesn't see him, but the kid kind of follows her while she's burying this present. So she shows back up at the party and she's got this.
Whole new gift, and this little kid is there the whole time, and he looks haunted as fuck.
Like we go to his house the next day and he just looks haunted, like remember the cover of the Afghan Whigs CD Gentleman with the Little Kid. I'm sitting on the edge of the bed looking off into the distance, like, hush shit, you want to do.
Only one of my favorite albums of all time?
Right? He looks like that little motherfucker. And look, I would be too if I think I used to live on Central Park West and now I live in Staten Island, Like I would be haunted too. But he basically keeps coming back to this fucking part this apartment, and you're like, one, how is it we do again? Eventually figure out that he's there all the time because his dad is a tutor in the building who's working in the building. But you know, he's just always kind of around. And there's a birthday party that happens because Anna lives with again, the cast is incredible, Like Lauren Bacall plays her mother, Arlas Howard is her her brother in law. You've got Ted Levine playing this kid Shan's parent, like Ted Levine and Kara Seymour are playing his parents. Is a great cast. But this little kid just kind of walks up to this party and goes in and he's like, hey, can I talk to you? Like he's talking like an adult and which is so weird coming out of a kid's body. But he basically says to Anna like, look, I don't want to say this in front of everyone, so let's go to the kitchen. And they do, and he's like, it's me, your boy, Sean, your fucking husband. You're my wife, and you'll be making a mistake if you marry Joseph. Just off the gate. And then the doorman comes in and kind of sends a little kid off to the night to take the subway home. He doesn't give a shit, but Anna is wrecked. She is like, the fuck did that kid just say to me? And truly, if I were a more cruel person, this would be an amazing trick to pull off on a widow or widower for the place of y'all out there that want to do something like that. If there's someone you truly just like in this world, get hold of a little kid, fill them with information about your enemy, and then when their partner dies, send them in there and be like it's me, Yeah, your fucking eggs.
Get write a creepy little kid note that is just like I'm him or whatever it was on some loose leaf notebook paper with like the big pencil.
Really fuck somebody's life up.
I am making this my screenshot, and we have to actually post it this week. The next morning, the doorman hands an a letter and it is it is this little kid handwriting with the big pencil, and it simply says, don't marry Joseph. Like this is a joke that has legs. I hear that.
I fell the fuck out when I saw that. I was like, they did not just show the kid's note with the handwriting on it.
I was like, I was fucking hilarious.
Ripped out of a trapper. Keeper doesn't even elaborate. He's like, I already told you I'm your fucking dead husband. So here's the message. Don't marry Joseph. We're still married. I'm here. I just happened to be ten years old.
It's like it's like that part of mcgroober where like the mcgooper note says like meet me at the White House or whatever, and it's like the little kid handry. I don't know why that.
Technique makes me laugh so hard.
It's like when a little kid note is inserted into a very serious scene.
I was so crazy technique.
So Joe, her fiance, sees this note and he wants to call the doorman to find out, like who is this little kid? And Sean picks up the fucking phone. He's like it's me, Sean, Like I'm everywhere all the time. School doesn't matter. Yeah, my dad's a tutor. School doesn't matter. But Joe finally like goes downstairs, grabs this kid and he's like, where is your dad? Like he finds out the kid's dad works there, and then he goes up and talks to Ted Levine and you know, Sean gets in trouble and it basically they're like, you know, like tell Anna you're never gonna see her or bother her again, and he's like I can't do that, and he just keeps doubling down. He's like I can't do that. Oh and then he passes out to make his point, which again, if you can do that, amazing falls to the ground. That scene was insane.
Where like because Nicole is all the way down the hallway and it's that thing where she's about to turn the corner and then she just peers around back at the kid and he's fallen to his fucking knees like he's you know, he's just seen the image of.
God in whoo or something. And I'm like, holy shit, what the fuck?
That was the first time that I was like, yo, this movie is insane, like.
True, and it wouldn't be the last time, because then they go to the fucking opera and this is where Nicole Kidman, like you were just saying about how amazing she isn't as an actress. This is where, to me, her acting in this movie is brought into such sharp focus, because the beauty of this film is the tension that is created in all of these different ways, like emotionally and situationally, and it's all these different ways. The tension is constantly playing with itself in this Oh god, that's so disgusting, and attention's playing with itself. But you know what I mean, like in this film, Yes, And so they go to the opera and it's a close up, an amazing close up of her face, but she is conveying at least seventy five emotions in the span of the three minutes that this camera is on her face, and you're watching her realize, and you're realizing that she's starting to believe this little kid. Yeah, and to her credit, again, it's kind of an intense joke to be playing for a long time, or an intense situation to be carrying on if it's not true. But that's also the joy of the movie to me, is that it throws you into a space where you're not quite sure what to believe at any given moment. So as you're following Anna as she's realizing and realizing this could be true, and she is clearly still emotionally attached to her dead husband, because she's at this grave in the beginning, like, you know, crying, and then she kind of gets back in the car and she's like, no, I'm okay, it's cool. So she's clearly still emotionally attached to this and she's starting to believe it. Meanwhile, Shawn is at home and his dad and mom are talking and they're like, what could possibly be wrong with this kid? And his mom is trying to just kind of be lovely and play it off, and he looks at her and he's like, I'm not your stupid son anymore. Like he's just emotionally leveling people everywhere he goes. He's an emotional bulldozer in this movie. And he goes to school and you know, the principal wants him to explain why he's late, and he's like, well, it's because I'm like a forty year old man, Like what do you want from me? Like he's just so like, get off my fucker, dick, I'm an old dead man. And he like he skips school, and he goes to Anna and tells him to meet her in the park, and her mom actually gives her the message and she actually and Anna actually goes and the kid is in the death tunnel. So now you're like, there's no way he could know that. Yeah, that is not something that's usually in an obituary, Like he died in this tunnel in Central Park.
Yeah, all sides important to he's in there.
He's in that baby body's I'm going.
On here, and she finally starts asking him personal questions, which if I were this kid, if I really wanted to like drive this home that I am your dead husband, I would have been spouting facts from the minute I walked into that birthday party. Yeah, like his favorite color is this? This is what kind of tampon you use? Like I would have been just spouting facts.
It's like, I know that your butt looks like it's spin hammered with a ball peen.
I know that yoga doesn't actually fix your butt. I'm ten and I'm your dead husband. But she finally starts asking you personal questions, and he's like, yo, yo yo. Instead, why don't you let Bob, my former brother in law, ask me some questions. He's like, I want everyone to know that I'm telling you the truth. And this is where Arles Howard comes in. Arles Howard is fucking shook by the end of this conversation because Sean starts saying some facts. He's like, oh, I didn't think your wife could have a baby. How cool that she's pregnant. Like, yeah, I'm married Anna thirty times and like thirty churches in thirty days, and we also fucked on your green sofa, Like he just saunters into the apartment and asks for apple juice and just levels this dude's life.
Dude, it's like I was surprised, literally surprised that none of these people took his little body and threw him across the room like Mini me in that one Austin Powers movie.
Like well, Joe Joy was coming up.
Yeah, they are like shook, shook, And I have to say, for good reason.
That's a lot of details, for good fucking reason. And here's the thing. This is a family that is already so intimate and close. They all live in again, the mother's Central Park West apartment, and you know, Anna and Joe are staying there is a way to save money to prep for their own wedding, and like, you know, the sister and her husband are there because they're doing stuff on their house. But it's a big enough apartment that they can hold all of these people, and so they're all kind of always present, and so they're all feeling the effects of this little kid coming back in and saying, hey, I'm Sean, the dead person that you used to love. Like he affects all of them, He affects Anna, the most, but he affects all of them, and the only person that is not into this is Lee, the housekeeper, who basically tells this kid, I will break your fucking face if you fuck with this family.
She's like, I have.
To come here every day and work in this nineteen forties funeral parlor ass apartment with these people.
I'll be goddamned if you fuck this up from me.
And he does so instantaneously. He's like, oh, by the way, I'm about to fuck it up a lot. So Anna kind of gets to this point where she's like, all right, I want him to spend a night in our apartment so we can break the spell. And his mom is weirdly into it. So this is where I have to say, okay, because the movie is going to get a little wild and there are going to be some vulnerable and uncomfortable things coming up. Nicole Kidman does not fuck this kid in this movie. Okay, that is not what happens. But she does push the line of appropriate behavior in not a physical way, but in an emotional way that makes me so goddamn uncomfortable. Woo. Yes, Okay, So Joe eventually loses his mind because they're at there. They're at this they're in the apartment and they're they're basically trying out wedding bands, so people are like, you know, playing their cellos and performing for them, and Sean's just sitting in back of Joe kicking a eat. He's like, hey, I'll fuck with you, and Joe truly loses, like he gets up and throws him across a piano and holding them back. And what's amazing though, is that Anna kind of sticks up for Sean. And she goes to see Clifford and Clara and she's like, I actually believe this is Sean, Like I truly believe it. And they're like, uh what. She's like yeah, huh and they're like yeah. She's like yeah, I don't want to fall in love with him again, like I want my life to move forward with Joe. But then in another scene, she takes Sean out for ice cream and starts peppering with questions, one of which is, oh, you think you're my dead husband? How are you going to fulfill my needs? And I'm like, bitch, you cannot be asking children this shit on these streets or ever. What are you doing?
I know?
I was like, yo, baby girl, what is you doing?
And what is you doing? And we can see herself, we can see her talking herself into this while simultaneously trying to talk herself out of it. And again, I think that is the brilliance of Nicole Kidman, that she could do a movie like this and elicit that simultaneous emotion from this kind of a scene. Yeah, and Joe is like, you know, he's looking for apartments. He's really trying to push their life forward, and she keeps hanging out with Sean, so he eventually has had it at one point, like they take a bath together, which is so and again nothing happens, but it is so uncomfortable. Yeah, and Joe like walks in and he's like, I'm fucking done with this, Like he is out. He's like, you've been ditching me and you've been like falling in love with this little fucking kid. Like he can't have it, Like he spanks the kid during that wedding freak out band scene and he's just like, what the fuck is happening?
Yeah, oh I know.
And that's the thing is that, like you kind of think okay in her moment of grief or whatever. So grief pushes people to weird ass places. I mean, come on, we we just talked about vertigo, right, where people are like trying to find a memory of somebody in a very insane way sometimes, right.
But the optics of this look bad. It's basically what he's saying. He's like, do not bathe with the kid, like so.
Intellectually think about it, but like, once we're in this realm, the optics look terrible.
And again it's a very killing of a sacred deer bath and that they're just like monotone and looking at each other. Right, but it's like so fucking uncomfortable. Yes, yes, it's wild. And so there's this you know, things kind of progress in that, like they actually like they share a little kiss on the sidewalk, which again was like, baby girl, what is you doing? It's so weird. But then Sean starts like he kind of runs into Clifford and Clara and you know, they come over one day and clip it's like, look, it's not Sean, Like You've got to stop this shit, Like there are people in an Anna's life who are like, please cut the shit. This is weird. Yes, but then when Clara comes into the picture, Anne Hage because her now her family is threatening to call the police if she doesn't send Sean home, like you got to get this kid out of here. And she does finally take the kid home, but there's a moment before she takes him home where she's tucking him in and you could almost see her deciding something in her head. Again, Nicole Kidman is so good at this, and she's good at making things deeply uncomfortable. But then she's pulling you back without saying a word, like she's making she makes you uncomfortable and then pulls you right back to Okay. There's a release of tension just in her face. It's fucking wild. So we're gonna cut back now to the opening scene. And I again, I am going to spoil this movie. I hope you watch it. I hope you watch it first. If you want to watch it and you don't want it spoiled, stop watching it, stop listening at this moment. But we cut back to the opening scene when Anne Hash was you know, Clara was burying something in the ground in the park her original gift. And as it turns.
Out, Anne Hash Clara was Sean's lover, okay, And.
And so the fact that little kid. Sean is saying, I'm dead Sean. But then also he didn't know her. She exposed his whole shit. And she's also a fucking weirdo because she's like, you know, if you really were Sean, you would have come to me first and we could have explored this. And I'm like, nobody should be exploring anything with a child. I don't care how pre stricken you are. It's been ten years. Yes, it's not the way to heal.
We've gone from this.
This kid is weird.
Get him out of the apartment building too. How come you didn't fuck with me first?
Right? What the fuck? And we're like, you know what, no, no, no, this is he's not good. No, no, no, I'm like, wait, are you saying you want to believe this little motherfucker? If he came to you first, then what what have happened?
Wow?
Crazy talk, crazy talk. But as it turns out, what she was doing in the park was burying all of all the letters that she and Sean sent to each other, and he gave her all of Anna's letters, so their relationship was so deep and from you, so from those letters, this little kid basically dug up that box read all those fucking letters and then showed up and was like it's me Sean. So what is actually fucking wrong with this kid?
Yeah?
Like there is something so wrong with him and he causes such emotional chaos in this family and we don't know why. And meanwhile, Anna's like, look, I've got a plan. We can run away together. I can marry you when you're twenty one. And he's like, oh, let me pump the brakes and just tell you right now that I lied. Like now's the time to tell you that I have been lying the whole time.
Oh yeah, it's wild reveal, Like it's a wild reveal but like it has to happen and it's devastating, but it's also simultaneously like thank fucking god.
Yeah.
Again, the tension in this movie is unbelievable. And when he finally confesses and when she does finally see Joe and she's like, okay, can he take me back? Can you take me back? I'd like her to take me back, And she's kind of really emotional. She's like, you know, what happened to me wasn't my fault. She just keeps saying that, and it's again this exploration of grief that I don't think I've ever seen before. But her saying what's happened to me wasn't my fault is basically her trying to rationalize how she could start to fall in love with this stranger, this little kid, simply because he said he was her dead husband, Like she has been hanging on by a thread that I don't think she's been willing to acknowledge up to this point. So in a weird way, fake Sean kind of sets her free, in a strange way, I don't know, But they do have their wedding. He does take her back, and her whole family by this point has seen her go fucking bonkers and almost run away with a ten year old boy. So this wedding is not the joyous affair you think it's going to be. And there are some breakdowns at this wedding. There are some questions about like what is their life going to be? What is this marriage going to be? There are questions, And then you see little Sean and he's taking a school picture and just smiling, like he goes back to being a regular ass little kid, But there's something in him that feels like to me, this feels like the setup for a movie about a future serial killer. Like there's something so sociopathic about his behavior and his commitment to this bit. Yeah, like there's something go that's like you can't walk away from this movie and think that he's going to be okay or that anyone's going to be okay, Like something fucked up is about to happen, because this kid has this in him.
Dude.
I was like, where did he get that confidence? Where did he find out all this info?
Period? If he was lying that to me?
Was like a big question I had, And I was just like, Okay, So he found out the details of this entire family's lives, right, and then he used it against them and came forth with like the utmost confidence that he's gonna pull off this grift or whatever.
And I'm just like, wow, that is an interesting like clearly clearly sociopath right.
Like both movies this week were the kind of movies where at the end of even though I'd seen them both before, I just kind of sat for fifteen minutes in the dark, in silence by myself on the couch, thinking, yeah, like they just rocked me to my fucking core in a way that I can't explain, and Nicole Kidman is always at the center of that.
Yeah again, like she's just like having to Like, she's just always like being put in these like very tense, strange familial situations.
Alway, what's going on girl? And the way that Barry Kyogen is always gonna pick the creepiest possible role, Nicole Kidman is always going to pick the wildest familial role. Yeah, She's like, I'm never gonna just play like a mom who gets her kids off to school and everything's cool and then she goes to work.
Yeah, can I please play a haunted fucking wife.
Who like is always being like slow zoomed in on like just like.
She's such a g But it's so funny because I'm just like, yo, Like Hollywood is like we want to rock this woman's world time and time again.
And in my movie, they give her a lace front that is unstoppable, give her a bob. We will give her a bob for this fucking movie. And this is nothing you can do about it.
I loved this week so much. It was so genuinely twisted, truly.
Truly twisted, and again, like my movie still makes me think, like it's still to this day, and I've seen it a couple of times, and it makes me think so much, like it puts me in such an uncomfortable fucking position, because again, there's a power differential that's happening where the kid, like the little Sean kind of weirdly has a lot of power. Yeah, you're never quite fully fearful of what's going to happen to him, But then you're also realizing that no, no, no, in the dynamics of the world, no matter how much power he's conveying, he's a child, somebody should be stepping in. And that's a question I have continuously. It's like, why is not Why is somebody not stepping in so much sooner? Why are they letting Anna entertain this for even a second, Like it's not good for her, it's not good for him. Oh why are people in her life letting this carry on? And is that part of their grief that they kind of weirdly want to believe it. It's just it fucks me up every time I see this movie, But I know.
It really is perfect for the theme. You're probably fine, question mark.
You're probably not okay in this family. I don't know, Like maybe this family is not great for you, but you're in it and you see them all right. I mean you seem like you're losing your shit, but maybe it'll be all right.
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That is right, Okay, Oh my god, these two movies for next week are absolute bangers.
We're taking a hard turn away from weird, yes, but we're staying. We're staying in the two thousands, though.
Which I think is the same year, same year, same year.
Your movies for next episode are three ten Douma the two thousand and seven version and the Assassination of Jesse James by the cow Lord Robert Ford from two thousand and seven.
Yeah, what you've been talking about for months now on the pod. I'm glad we're finally watching it forever.
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