Your Turn: Season 6 Fan Q & A Part 1

Published Mar 11, 2024, 4:00 AM

It's the Season 6 Finale! 
 
To celebrate, Scott is answering your questions!

I am all in.

Oh, let's kiss you. I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.

Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. iHeartRadio, R Heart Media, I heart Podcast. One eleven Productions, one eleven podcasts, one eleven Media. There's so many companies to name. I am joined by my intrepid crew Daniel Romo, Amy Sugarman, Suzanne French and we're gonna do a season six wrap up Q and A. But first, I'm excited to go to Tupelo, Mississippi. So I'm gonna be there at the Tupelo Con March sixteenth through eighteen. And if you want to get the new line of Gilmore Girls coffees, the Luke Dyner Blended Starslund and the Dragonfly and talk Fast Blend, go to the Warner Brothers studio store in Burbank, California, where it is exclusively sold. If you want Scotti Pea's Big Monk Coffee, email us at support at Scottipea dot com. And Amy's got some question John as well.

First I wanted to ask you guys, like, is anyone a little weirded out? I am that were like to the last season of Gilmore Girls.

I'm a little real it flew by. Yeah, you know, it seems like yesterday I picked up a phone and called you about this idea I had of a rewatch podcast. Think it was an original idea it all. It really wasn't.

And is it anyone else?

Like?

Okay, So I guess maybe in my mind it's like, oh, that's the Palladinos last episode. Now. I love West Wing also, and Aaron Sorkin did leave the show and I continued to love it, but it is they are such unique creators that it is a little weird to be like, oh, the main creators of the show are gone.

Now.

Was that weird for you when they left, Scott?

Yeah?

Was it sad?

Yeah?

And were you stressed?

Yeah? Everybody was.

Yeah.

I mean we didn't know if we were going to have a season seven. We didn't know if we should even be involved in it. We felt yeahl did. I mean, there's there's these loyalties that you have to Amy and Dan and but then you know you've you've got your loyalties to your mortgage and your family, and.

Are some things beyond your control, Like if you have a contract, that's one of them. You can't leave just because they did.

Well, you can, but and our contracts were but I'd already negotiated for a season seven, right, So you were like, yeah, I was. I was under contract, So yeah, you're obligated. You can't just not show up. They'll you know, that's that's a no. No. You know, want to get into a legal brew with a major studio.

I mean yeah, it would be hard though, especially since, like you know, I guess on some shows, like look on some shows create, you know, the showrunners come and go and they go through multiple.

That's that's never good.

No, and these are rarely a.

Good thing, you know, you want to have. Like I was on a show a NBC and the showrunner was inexperienced but had written a really great pilot and they replaced him with another show and it destroyed the show. Wow, yeah it didn't. It didn't last a year. I mean it was a year and it was it was out. That's not a good sign when like showrunners coming and going.

That's some shows. I think the Walking Dead and the West Wing, like we talked about, can can survive it. But it will be interesting for us to really analyze season seven, the differences.

And we know, we know how good, how gifted a writer, David Rosenthal is right right, and he laid down some fantastic episodes. And I don't remember her favorites.

Back then, like in Juel. I just liked the show, right, So I wasn't in the behind the scenes weeds, like I didn't really even I don't know, Suzanne, did you know when you watched it? Did you watch it in the first run.

I did not watch it in the first run. I watched it for the first time in twenty sixteen, But I will say the first time I saw it, maybe I was just oblivious, but I did not notice. I did not realize that Amy and Dan had left for seasons, Like it just was continuous for me. Soay, I know other people. I've seen other people say, oh, you could totally see a difference, and maybe I just wasn't being very close attention, but I didn't notice it.

Yeah, I just remember loving the show and being happy to watch more episodes because I watched it live, like I don't know on CW or w BE whatever it was then, So I didn't and I wasn't into the behind the scenes, so I sort of was and I'm not sure as a twenty something I would have cared. I don't know that I would have realized like the impact that a showrunner, creator writers had. I think I was much more like, no, that's Luke and that's Laura LII. Like I just was like hook line and sinker into the actors, right.

I think I think the first line of defense are the are the or the talent and we noticed we are the ones who notice it right away, and yeah, and then you know, we do the best we can to you know, make it the best we can.

Yeah.

But to ask somebody who it didn't dream up these characters, and it isn't. Writing from the experience that Dan and Amy has and brings to bear on these characters who created them is impossible task. It is an impossible task. And I've seen so many scripts that have been submitted to me and as writing samples, And I wrote a Gilmour episode. Do you think you get me a meeting with Amy? And this kind of thing? And you read these things and they're just spot on and they're great, but there's always something a little bit missing, you know, totally right, right, And it's not a knock on these writers. These are great writers. There's some great writers out there, and they take a stab at it and they do a great job, and the jokes are funny and all this stuff, but there's just that special sauce just isn't well. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to replace those unique voices that Amy and Dan brought to this show. You're not going to replace that. It's impossible.

So that leads me to my next question because obviously, look, I always read all the comments. It's so much fun for me to read all the comments, but it's my job. So here's my question for you guys, and really for everyone listening right and especially for you Scott and Suzanne because Danielle's seeing it for the first time. I love this show, right, And I, obviously, as a result of that, like the writers and the creators. To me, it was always about the actors, like I was like, I love Luke and I love Logan and this is who I would pick, and YadA, YadA. But obviously, as a big fan, you're sucked into the writing and the creators who who came up with these characters. So my question is there are so many comments about how much they hate Lorli hooking up with Christopher and how dare he write? Like they're really mad that Christopher would do that. As a viewer, if I just surrender like my ability to control anything on this show, like I have no ability to rewrite it, and at the time, I'm just watching it like as a voyeur. If Amy and Dan know.

These characters so well, they are the characters, they created them, why do we have such a distrust in them making the decision that Lorelei ran back to Christopher.

It's not a distrusted They did it intentionally because they know if you give fans what they want, they're going to go away. Yeah, you've got to keep the fans a little bit or a lot a bit in a state of longing and want. You can't give him what they want. You know. They wrote Christopher to be unlikable. They wrote him as a spineless person. That's how they wrote him. Okay, fans were supposed to be repulsed by this. They were supposed to be scratching their heads, like, why Laurel are you going over? This is only something that Laurel I can understand and Christopher can understand. Most fans can't understand. What's the attraction here? We don't get it. He's needy, he's whiny's he's just a complete screw up in his life. Why are how are you attracted that? Well, it's you know, the father, it's young love. It's sixteen or fifteen, sixteen year old love, and you don't get over that, and you don't forget about that. And there's all, you know, there's the residuals effects left over. And still there's a chance that you know, and she needs him in Rory's life, and Rory wants him in her life, and you know it's not a bad thing, but you know, romantically speaking, you know, it has an ick factor that the fans that register and they come rightfully and righteously complain about. So I don't I don't understand what you are personally seeing. I don't see any chemistry between them. I don't see any attraction between them. I just look at it objectively and I say, whoa, you know, that's that's all big bowl of wrong right there. And and I know, I know I have a dog in the fight here, but you know, I'm trying to be objective about it. It's like, you know, you can't compare the two characters, you know, Luke is a steadfast guy with a with a backbone and his principles and in his limited worldview, but he is who he is, and yeah, you know it's it's Christopher is one hundred and eighty degrees in the other direction. Yeah, And it's just clear for all to say. So it's not even really a competition. When they say team, are your team Luke or team Christophers? I agree, even a team, it's it's what are you talking about? You know? So I don't begrudge the fans for disliking Christophers. They wrote him just unlikable.

Yeah, I wrote him partially likable, though, am I the only one that sees that.

Name one likable thing that he has ever said or done? I mean, he's an opportunist. He's just like skulking around the edges of her life when he should just f off.

I feel like he's very in love with Loralai.

It's gross. Yeah, he is. He wants back in.

I don't know if he's in love with Lorelai so much as he's in love with whatever it was that they had back in high school. So we've we've talked about in a previous episode. I can't remember which episode of the of the series. It was, but we talked about how really Christopher has never grown up, like he's still kind of that teenager in his head. And I think he has this idea that if he can be with LORIAI they can be like they were when they were teenagers, because that's kind of still who he is in his head. So I don't know that he's in love with the current Laurel. I think he thinks he is, but I don't. I don't know that he really is. And just to your point earlier, Amy about you know, should we trust Amy and Dan because they're the writers and the creators of these characters. I just wanted to say, as a viewer, when I'm watching any television show, whether it's you know, Gilmore Girls or anything else, I'm not thinking about the actual people that wrote it. I'm like in the story. I'm in the plot, and I'm with the characters. So I don't really care if that particular episode was written by the person who originally created the character or not. So so to me, I don't I don't feel like I as a viewer, oh the writer's anything.

If that, I just feel like I am a voyeur. So I don't get to like, I don't get to say, oh why, It's like I almost try to suspend.

That.

I like, Okay, I don't know how to say this properly. I'm watching real life play out on Gilmore Girls, so I don't really get to say, how dare she go back to him? She did, so it's like, Okay, I'm in because that's what she did, right, But I think.

We're still allowed to have an opinion on that.

Course of course. I'm just saying for me, that ending was not as horrible as I'm seeing most people felt it was. I was sort of like, oh wow, twisty twist, what's gonna happen next?

I mean, I guess for me, the ending was horrifying because it didn't need to get to that point. You know, if there had been a conversation earlier in the season, we didn't have to get to this point where the two of them just completely blow each other apart.

I just think it was very relatable. I know so many girls that break up with their significant other and immediately call, maybe not the very same day, So I'll give you that a TV because you know whatever, call their high school boyfriend, call their ex. I mean, everybody like that's such a sort of cliche, like so many girls go running back to that the guy that always opens the door for him. So I didn't find it that outland dish. And you know, obviously, look there's thousands of comments of people that disagree with me. But I was like that tracks she got in this big fight, and of course she's going to run to Christopher.

I mean, it may have been predictable because she was she knew that Christopher was not going to turn her away, like she knew that Christopher was not going to reject her like Luke just had. But that doesn't mean it's not disappointing. Just because you can see it coming doesn't mean it's not.

Yeah, I guess, I guess. Yeah. That's that's sort of the interesting conversation. And I'm glad we're talking about it because I wasn't disappointed. That's not the word I would use. I was more like, oh, you know, like whoa.

And on the other end, I didn't even feel that Like I wasn't disappointed. I didn't feel like whoa. I just was annoyed, annoyed, annoyed.

I don't know. After the bathroom, I think that bathroom scene was important because of the arm touch and you're like, oh man, there's still a little something there and when this explodes, just going right back to him. I don't know, Scott, like you know, now that it's been a week, how do you what's been going through your mind?

A hell of a thing to do to the dream couple. It's a hell of a thing to do. Very risky, I think from a writer's standpoint and storytelling standpoint, it's very very risky what they do, and I think it shows that they have a lot of faith in Lauren as an actress and a lot of faith in me as an actor. Yeah, somehow find our way back to each other in season seven over time.

Yeah, that's a good point.

So you could look at it that way. Yeah, you know, like, let's see how good these guys are, you know, because if they aren't, nobody's going to believe this, because this is a really extreme way to end season six.

So that brings me to this question for you guys. So a lot of times in shows they sort of know, like and especially these days, they know when they're going to end it, so that I think it's easier to write the show when you know, there's sort of an ending at year four, year eight, year seven, whatever it is. Do you think maybe Amy and Dan thought they might come back and that would be the final season, so they can't They didn't end season six with everything hunky dory, because then what are they doing and see and seven? Do you think there's any chance they intentionally broke them up to have the final season be them finding their way back to one another?

So here's in a negotiation, any negotiation, you have to be willing to walk away to go what you really want, right, Yeah, And they were willing to walk away, and they drew a line in the sand, and you know, they they didn't get their two year deal. They didn't get what they wanted, and they said, well that's it then, and you know respect for that, right.

I guess then that would mean seven to eight they wanted to go two more.

Oh yeah, probably beyond that. I mean the advertisers were screaming at Warner Brothers to bring that show back for multiple years.

Wow.

They weren't interested in seeing pilots of new shows. They wanted Gilmour back probably for you know, four years, five years after season I mean, it could have gone fifteen seasons, they just wanted more of it, you know, and people, you know, these highly intelligent, highly creative people, don't want to do it for fifteen right right, right, no, right, seven, seven, eight, Max. Probably, I mean that's probably a hard show to do, exhausting. They didn't sleep. They Yeah, it's hard. That's a that's a hard that's a tall order, you know.

So before we start talking to everybody, which we're going to your Scott's going to Danielle, what do you and you have no idea what do you see coming in season seven? If you were to like just make your guesses. I see.

Logan going to London, Rory visiting him a few times, something happening that's going to break them up. And it's not just as simple as long distance. It's like, I don't know, like he cheats on her or just some something like that happens where they break up and Rory's devastated, and then I'm hopeful that by the end of the season, in the end of the series, just somehow comes back in the pad. So that's that's why storyline number one, sorry, I've actually thought about this. Storyline number two. I don't think Luke and Laura Lai are going to find their way back to each other. I think the damage has been done and I'm not hopeful for that relationship. I weirdly think that.

But a show, how do you? How do you? You've got to have a show that's a big part of the show.

Now, the show is them trying to give together and just doesn't work out.

Mm hmm.

I mean and look probably wrong, so whatever, But this is.

My guess is you haven't seen it.

No, I don't know anything. She's just giving her guesses.

Now I feel like I'm massively wrong, which is a bummer or not a bummer. But and then I do weirdly think that April is going to like try to like smooth over their relationship, like she's gonna just jump in and be like lorl like like I think she's going to just try to somehow be.

Cool.

What do you think of Christopher and Lorelai? What's gonna happen with them? I think I don't.

I don't think much about that, like in the sense of I don't think she's gonna try to be with him or or.

Yeah, I don't.

I don't really see much happening there outside of what they already do, right, Yeah.

Can you give me like no, absolutely not Suzanne, after like you know, and then Scott's going to talk to everybody and I'm sure they're going to give him an earful. But Suzanne, what are your thoughts like after last you know, week's episode and like where your head is at?

Well, So, I I didn't realize that we weren't doing a recap today, So I actually watched the oh.

You cheated pumpkin Eater?

Oh I didn't.

I thought we were reaching.

But you can't talk about it right now.

So I know I'm not going to talk about it, but I I do appreciate the fact that you know, it was a season. The season ender was a typical cliffhanger, like I'm half of me is thinking, I really want to find out that this whole Christopher thing was just a dream, Like You're gonna wake up and she's back at Sukie's house or something. So I I personally a lot of people don't like season seven. I don't like the first couple episodes of it, but I actually, overall, I do like season seven. There's some great stuff in season seven, so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing everybody.

Yeah, I never had a problem with it, and Scott like where, like, can is it coming back to you? Or are you like apprehensive?

Now I have no idea. It's as if I've never acted in this sho so I don't remember what happens in season seven.

Are you nervous, No, you're just ready to get into it.

Yeah, No, I'm not nervous. I'm eager to I'm curious. I'm hopefull, you know. I mean, I know we eventually get married, like you know, ninety years later, but right because I can't be that bad, right.

Well, so that's the one thing I sort of wanted to like address because it keeps coming into my mind. And Danielle, you don't need to take your headphones off. But there's a little bit of a spoiler the way the series the movies end, Suzanne, I've been thinking about so much because from what I understand, it's how the show was supposed to end. Is that what? It's such a great ending to season seven and such sort of a weird ending to the movies. Yes, So I've just eve been thinking about that so much as we're entering season seven now with hindsight knowing how they wanted to end.

It, right, It makes a different impact when you're at a different age, the character is at a different age. Yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to to watching those again because I actually enjoyed the movie, so I think it'll be a fun conversation when we get there for sure.

Okay, well, Scott, we're bringing in everybody to talk to you, all right.

I can't wait to meet them. Hi, Lauren, how are you nice to meet you?

I'm good. It's nice to meet you.

Where are you calling in from?

I am in New York City?

Ah, the Big Apple? All right? Yeah, all right, so laying honest, man, what what you got? What you got?

I was hoping you guys could compare the first and second halves of Season six. I feel like there's a pretty strong parallel between what Luke is dealing with with Loralai and Rory and then what Loralai deals with with Luke and April. But I feel like it it's been my opinion that the writers always intended that to be like a juxtaposition between the two, and then I feel like Luke was ultimately more forbearing and more patient with that, and then Loralai sort of spirals downwards. But that's probably a controversial opinion, So I just I was helping you guys can kind of compare those two storylines for me, So.

That's an interesting comment. I think that for me, the big difference is that when Laurela I was dealing with the separation from Rory, there was a defined end point in that, so she told Luke that she needed to wait to move forward until things were right with Rory, Whereas with the Luke and April situation, Luke wasn't really seeing what an impact he was having on Laurel I, and there wasn't really like a defined endpoint at which he was going to bring her in. So to me, that's kind of what the difference between the two is.

We all know how I feel because I feel so it's a double standard for me, or you know, like why did Luke just patiently deal right like he's just like I'm gonna push off my needs.

I'm here to support you and Rory. I mean, even to the point where one of the reasons Lorli proposes to him is because he's so fiercely loyal to her in supporting the situation with Rory. So I've always had more of an issue as everybody knows and screams at me that Lorli didn't give him the same thing. Yes, I understand, like she's hurt and he's not including her where she did include him. But I've always felt like we like, let's give him the same grace, right, the same everything. And I think if you're in a true partnership, then you put your her own needs a side when your partner is going through something so significant. And I always felt like Luke did that and Loralai didn't.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I also feel like he pushed her a little bit on his frustrations versus her silence and then sort of implusion.

So yeah, I mean I think about this in the following way. Is Luke staying is the charter? Are the writers honoring the character of Luke? Is Luke acting in a way that is consistent with his character in that he displays this in this this incredible patience over an eight year period waiting for Loralai. And you could say that there's that's passion, that's committed, that's patience, that's everything you want in a partner, steadfastness, faith, And I think it proves that he will never even think about another woman the rest of his life. And I think that's what he that's what that character establishes in the first you first five seasons, and then up until the April thing. And I think his character doesn't change at all because April arrives and now he's giving her the time, and and it's another selfless act. He's a very selfless character. He doesn't put himself first. He puts people he loves first. Laura, I was always first. I'm going to wait for her. I'm going to gamble that she is. I'm going to wait it out and gamble that she's going to be mine one day. And if she isn't, I don't care. I don't want anybody else. And now here's April, and I'm going to like, Okay, now I'm going to pay attention to her. He doesn't have the capacity to do both. He's in a situation where life has thrown him a curveball, and I don't know that it's that he doesn't react well to it. He just does what he does, which is he becomes He remains this selfless, steadfast figure who wants to be a rock in his daughter's life, and he wants to establish a relationship with her that's solid and grounded because he doesn't know what she's getting at home from from Anna, and he wants to make sure that he's a port in the storm, and that takes time to establish, and he understands that. And I was disappointed that Laurel and I understand in a relationship, it's frustrating, and Laurela has every right to to feel the way she feels, but I was always surprised that she didn't really understand that about him.

I think that Suzanne and Lauren, I'm curious what you guys think of this. The fans that are so quick to be sort of mad at Luke and team Lareli, are they not taking into account what a major thing this is like To me, this is life altering. The world has stopped. He just found out he has a kid. And I know, like Suzanne, you you have like a sort of a different take on it. But for me, it's so like if I were Laurli, I would be like, take a year, take two years, take whatever you need to feel comfortable with your daughter, and will be good because we have forever.

I don't know, That's what I don't I don't think I would feel that patient, but at the same time, I think I would try to communicate that she just didn't say anything until she couldn't take it anymore, and so I.

Completely agree with that that was That was it for me too, was because she was being quiet that whole time, because that's what Luke wanted. Like Luke didn't want her. She was she thought she was supporting him and in forming his relationship with April, but then you know, she waited so long and he wouldn't let her in that it just eventually came to a head. And I completely agreed there should have been a conversation way earlier. She should not have just let it go until the point where she just explodes all over him. She should have, you know, stood up for what she was feeling and not not in a mean or aggressive way or demanding to be with April or anything like that, but just sort of like the conversation that they started to have at Martha's vineyard, she was like, I just don't think this wedding is going to happen. Like I wish they could have kind of continued that discussion again so that he could see the impact that the whole thing was having on her.

I think, do you think the writers intended the juxtaposition like between the the two of the seasons.

I do, because that's why I see the hypocrisy. Like Luke was so there when Lorala I was in this traumatic situation and patient, and yes he communicated how he was feeling better than she did. But then when the roles were reversed, she didn't, in my opinion, just my opinion, quite level up to what he had done when he was in when she was in a situation. And that's just how I saw it.

I think, I think it was intentional, and I just I feel like I have to point out that the whole situation even started because Luke is the one that didn't communicate about April, Like that's kind of what set the whole thing off. So he didn't communicate with her about April, and then she didn't communicate, well.

She didn't communicate right away that there was a problem between her and Rory. I can't remember. I mean, she doesn't communicate to the town. But there was one secret.

There was one instance where Luke did try to tell her, but there was an interruption.

Yeah, that happens a couple of times.

Yeah, it does happen a couple of times.

He did try a few times, but she kept trying.

I mean, but it's also what a big scary thing. I don't know. I think everyone's so quick to be like he should have just told her.

I think you see like the best of Luke in the first half and then like the worst. It's sort of like him and his absolute, you know, most magnificent, supportive and then all of his communication failures that he struggles with.

I never saw it as the worst of him. That's just me, and I know everybody just like guts me for it. But I just see a person trying to deal with something that's so humongous, and like you, when you are in real life and you're dealing with that, You're not going to do it perfectly. You're going to probably mess it up super bad. You look like Lowerli with brown eyes.

Oh thanks, they're green, but I'll take that.

Oh sorry, this is zoom, but I just got blue.

Oh oh my gosh, what do you do in New York? Are you?

I am a stay at home mom to four kids.

Oh nice?

So yeah, it's it's crazy.

How did you even find the time or peace to join our show.

My husband was really excited for me. So if you took the kids outside, what age is ten, eight, six and three?

Oh god? In the city or out bedrooms?

Did you see rooms on the Upper West Side?

Oh my gosh, wait, kids in one bedroom?

Yeah?

Yeah, bunk beds. You know.

I know all my friends from New York are like, it's totally fine. They moved to LA and they're like, I live in a mansion and it's like a two bedroom department. They're like, like.

I was raised in Orange County, so I do sort of know the opposite option, and I've chosen this. So it was the Gilmore Girls. They gave me the East Coast desire.

So sweet.

Before you go, how do you feel about season seven? Have you seen that last week?

I actually, after I listened to your recap, I just binged season seven. I feel like you have to get it out of your system and you can't start it, like you can't take it slowly. I feel for you guys, because it's so painful and then it gets better. But I feel okay about season seven. When it first aired, I was in high school and it was honestly more than my heart could handle. I was really I was really angsty about it. But now that I'm you know, an adult, I feel I feel better about it.

Yeah, we let Danielle go because we were we didn't want to in case there are spoilers.

Daniel we didn't let her go, but we let her go to Day No Longer with the podcast.

Where was that, you know, paranoid.

Lose her?

Yeah, because we want people to be able to like speak freely, and it's really hard to sort of analyze the whole show without analyzing the whole show. But well that's what I felt like.

I was like, now I have to do this in context of like, I think Christopher is just something she's got to get out of her system.

Do you do you hate Christopher like Susanna.

Like so much?

Like I can't.

I cannot handle him. No, Scott Luke was my first crush. I was very you know, impressionable age and Christopher was so I was like, he's so easy, and I'm like the.

Only person that likes Christopher in the universe. But I don't. I like Luke better obviously, but.

We need to get you into rehab.

I know it's okay to like him, it's just not okay for her. To end up with Laurela I like.

She does.

Yeah, and I can say, by the way, I think all the haters who don't like you are not true Gilmore fans because you have Lorelai energy.

Thank you so much, Laura that thank you.

They are Russian Russian bots and they are rival the Gilmour podcasts.

Pretty specific for being boughts. But it's okay. I can take it. I only cry every single Monday. It's fine. It's my job to read it. But thank you. And I do think. Look, look, Laurel, I went back to him, So maybe I I'm Laura Ali because I get it. I get it, I get it. I think you're right about getting it out of her system again and again and again.

Why did they have to make us watch? That's the thing. Couldn't they have just like, you know, after the fact, and we could figure it out and piece it together and then go or oh.

It's so funny. It's not hard for me to watch them, because I hear Lauren saying that, like, oh it's hard to watch, and I'm like, isn't they're sort of cute?

Can't we they give us a chance to turn away?

They're too similar, like they're they're made of the same stuff.

Right, Yeah, that's true.

It's like too much of the you know, the shtick and like that balance.

So I don't know that's a good take, actually, Lauren, I don't know what Queen Suzanne thinks on that. But there there, that's a good take.

I guess somebody interrupted me. So I didn't hear it.

Suzanne just in the bathroom throwing up because were talking about this. She hears Kristph walk in say goadbye, oh mister Susanne. I had to interrupt us with his loved Lauren.

You rock.

Oh, thank you so you guys. It's Monday mornings. It's like a highlight when I see that new episode every Monday.

No, thanks so much.

Get ready for season seven.

I can't wait.

I can't wait. All right, Well, thank you guys so much.

Okay, best of the little ones.

Thank you bye.

Dorothy.

Hello, it's so nice to meet you.

So nice to have you back where we belong. Nice to see you, Dorothy. Where are you calling.

From Malvern, Pennsylvania?

Malvern?

Yeah, you're probably familiar with that area.

We had family friends from Malvern.

No way, real way way, Oh my goodness.

Yeah. Well, My first experience at sleepover Camp, when I was like nine years old, was with my good buddy from Malvern.

Wow, that is so funny.

Did you go to Malvern Prep?

I did not. I'm not. I didn't grow up here. We're raising our kids here. I'm originally from Long Island, New York.

One home, Long Island. They so, what do you got for us? Dorothy?

So I have two questions for you. When did Amy and Dan actually know they weren't coming back to be there to write it?

I can't. I don't know. I've been jogging my memory and I just don't know. I don't know. I don't think that anybody really knew. But I do recall them telling us individually that they were moving on and that they you know, and the reasons why, and it was it was very emotional.

Did they tell you during season six?

I can't remember. I don't think it was during season six, but maybe during the hiatus we got a phone call or I got a phone call, or we had a lunch something like that. It's not It's not very clear to me, but I just remember nothing like that happened during filming for me anyway, And I wish I just had a better memory of how I found out or so. You know, these negotiations are protracted, they're they're very long, and they can last. It probably lasted the entire hiatus right up until you know, they had to reassemble the writing team and going on their twenty two scripts because you can't let too much time lag before you go back into production. You know, you got to you got to build up your inventory of scripts.

And that's right, they got a writing way ahead before.

You way ahead. Yeah, because that's twenty two episodes. That's not like now it's easier, it's ten. It's still rough now. If you don't, if you don't get ahead of it, you get behind schedule, and it's chaos. It's just total chaos.

I can imagine.

Yeah. So but it was a big deal. Yeah, it was a big deal.

Did they have a contract for six seasons and then they needed.

To do everybody?

Did you all did?

Yeah? Every that's the that's the standard contract that you signed. It has six renewable options I'm sorry, five renewable option years. There's either a you either get a six year deal or a seven year deal. They obviously had a six year deal. I think I had a seven year deal, and every all the actors had a seven seven year deals and they had to renegotiate on eighth. So but it could have been six and we renegotiated on a one year deal for a seven.

And you wouldn't really know what's happening with someone else's deal. You're kind of doing your own deal, and you would never know that someone else's deal might be going sideways.

So you all don't know what's going on with everybody else. It's just your own contract. And then.

You know, your attorney can call somebody else's attorney's negotiating, find out where they are and what's going on this kind of thing, and compare notes because that can be advantageous in both negotiations. But no, no, nobody. I didn't know what was going on with Amy and Dance negotiations. It was just a shock. I remember just being shocked that they didn't get a two year deal, which is standard on a hit show. After six seasons, to get a two year deal, it's really sort of the standard. They felt very well, they just felt like they had to move on. They had other stories to tell me.

I wonder did they you know, knowing well, I guess they didn't know by the end of season six, or did they know by the end of season six things weren't going to work out.

I don't know it.

We're going to continue without them, I think just hanging.

But how long can you, you know, continue to entertain a one year deal offer? That's not a lot of faith there from the studio. Yeah, like, look what we you know, you guys are making a bundle off this show or you know you're now in the in the black and and things are good and you've got a syndication deal and the DVD money is good, and like, what come on, guys? You know the advertisers putting a lot of pressure to bring the show back for multiple years. You can't give us a two year deal. I mean really, I mean you want to risk the quality of the show with like, you know, running us out of town, and you know you cannot you can't function under a one year deal. You just can't do it.

Yeah, So they walked, So they.

Walked, Yeah their credit they walked. Yeah.

Yeah. So the cast you found out probably during hiatus, how was what was the vibe your all of you coming back your first day filming for season seven? I mean, how did you all feel. I can imagine how you felt.

But well, listen, a it's always good to have a job, a steady job in that town. They're hard to get. And uh, yeah, we were a little anxious. The scripts were really good, they were really strong. Uh you know, we we we just had a lot of faith. I mean, you've got us be positive and stay positive to do that job anyway, you know, to come into work and you know, to give them twelve hours or fourteen hours everything you got and then come back next day, do same thing, next day, do same thing. You know. They're really can't be resistance, you know. It's like you got to be all in. Yeah, and you have to stay positive. And it's like, okay, this happened. They're not here anymore. We have a new reality. Let's make the best of this.

And the guy that comes in isn't a stranger to you all, which helped.

Yeah, we know, and he'd written some great episodes.

Okay, yeah, I was going to ask, did you know who the new writer was?

Oh?

Sure, yeah, yeah yeah.

And he's taking Amy and Dan's baby and just kind of finishing it.

Off for that Yeah, like he was. They chose him you know, with their blessing, it's like he can handle this. Yeah, okay, and yeah, so I'm really eager to see and watch these season seven episodes because I'll, you know, I'll be very interested to see how how how it comes off.

It's a rollercoaster of ari just as but you know, it is what it is, and it's the story and you know, the Gilmore Girls story, and I love it. It just it is what it is, and right right, hey, I enjoyed it. There are some episodes I don't like, and there were some I didn't like in season six, but watch them. I don't watch them and just move on to the next one.

Listen, You're always going to get a bunch of laughs, even if the story kareems off the road a little bit. You know, you're always going to get your twenty laughs in there.

You are that there are episodes and I'm like, I don't want to watch this one, and then I watch it and I'm like, you know, it's better than I remember, and it's and exactly, it's a great show.

Yeah, I've watched some stinker episodes, but I laughed all the way through. Yeah, and it's like it's a joy it's a real joy because they're funny.

They really are.

Those palatines are. They have the best sense of humor. They're hysterically funny. Great writers they do.

And you know, I get most of them and a lot of their your pop culture references, some of the stuff. I'm like, oh, that is so clever.

They right, right, you come up with some great It's not fair. It's just not fair to two brains that work like that working together. It's not fair. It's not a fair fight, right, it's not.

It's not.

So it's really no surprise to me that they went on and did what they did with with MASL And yeah, it's not a.

Surprise, and they are a new one that you're doing now, So it's you know, they're working on at least we hear.

And you know, I remember sending Amy a very long email after they left about how much I believe in her and what's coming for them and for her and the golden statues that are you know, waiting patiently the engraver to engrave their names on those statues. And it happened, and I knew it would happen. Yeah, they just needed to get you know, they needed to tell these other stories because it wasn't happening with Gilmore Girls. They weren't getting the recognition they deserved. And I'm sure you know it was a bittersweet parting, but it was like, I think they were excited for the new opportunities because they didn't know. It's wide open, right, they didn't know. I mean, they did Bunheads and that only lasted what a year or two? And then they did another thing.

They did another thing with my bun Heads, Right, did you watch Bunheads?

I did not know.

It's pretty good. I'm not gonna lie.

I always come late to the party, so I didn't watch Gilmore Girls when it was airing. I was raising little kids at the time and was too exhausted. So I came, oh, gosh, I don't know, maybe twenty twelve or so, I started watching all the reruns of them and just fell in love with the show. And I've watched it. Oh, I can't tell you how many times I've watched it.

I love that.

But I've seen some Missus masl and man, that is a good show.

There is. Well, I'm sort of like, I don't know, Scott. I'm excited and nervous about season seven.

But I'm not nervous.

Next week it's happening.

Look if they if they're stinker real, we're going to chop them up. But good.

Dorothy, thank you so much.

Thank you for asking me. I got to show you a music.

We love it.

I love you guys. I love your podcast. You're all so great. Scott, Amy, Danielle, Suzanne.

Oh, thank you.

You guys are great. Listen to you every Monday and watch the episodes that you're talking about, just so I'm fresh with them and I just love what you're doing. This is great, and just keep it going and then you're in the life. Just you know, drag those out.

We're going to drag it out. We're not going anywhere.

Yeah, you got a couple more years going here.

Thank you so much. Thank you.

In touch.

Please please please stay in touch.

Thank you. It's a pleasure meeting you all.

Take care. Hi Michelle, Hi, Hi, how are you guys? Good? Where are you calling from.

From Edmonton, Alberta, Canada?

Oh my goodness, where you were? What Canada is Edmondton, Halifax? Yeah?

No, no, no, no, no, I'm.

Close to the Rockies. Actually, oh yeah, I'm about four hour drive away. From Jasper baths. I don't know if you're yeah, yeah, it's about zero today.

I guess you're up there.

Yeah, it's cold, it's cold.

What can you do? Right?

So?

You can play hockey, hiking, I love hockey. You can do all kinds of stuff that you.

Can give us a juicy Gilmore girls question.

Oh yeah, yeah, right, you can talk.

I can also confirm that snow has a definite smell for sure, I smell.

I agree with that.

I do.

So.

Yeah.

So I came up with my question just kind of based on the conversation between Lenny and Laureli in the car, the impromptu session they had. And you know, I was reading the comments after your your podcast about the episode, and a lot of people were piling on Luke and Laureli, and I thought, wait a minute, what's Lenny's role in all of this? Like they you know, Lenny saidator, yeah, I mean, well we had Laurel. I say, I could lose him if I pushed too hard, and then Lenny said, well, it doesn't look like you have him right now, and you know, then she goes, things don't always work out the way we want them to. So I don't know, I have a definite opinion on what you know, her role was in all of this, but he felt.

Kind of an overstep of a therapist.

Yeah, and you know, I thought she was a little bit cavalier in it, you know, giving out her advice and stuff. But so and you know, if you have a PhD behind your name, there's a level of gravitas that comes with like a little social responsibility, I guess, is what I was thinking.

So, yeah, that's a good question, Scott, what do you think of that? Because pacts Luke Lenny really impacts Luke.

I agree with Michelle. I think there's a lawsuit there.

Yeah, a law suit. Well, I think for sure it changed the trajectory for Laura. And the second part of my question was if that whole thing hadn't happened, how how would you have imagined her dealing with things like when she had just gone home and eating a box of pop tarts or you.

Know, let's look at how Laurlai handles things. Now, let's look back on the historical record. How does Laurela I handle things? How does she handle stress?

She's impulsive?

Let's say she's a little bit impulsive, right, Yeah, so you know, and that and she stays true to character.

And I the only one that would have liked to see Luke and you know, I'm team.

Luke, but just to have teams.

Almost like I think I talked about this, I can't remember if it's like if I talked about it on the air or off.

The air A Rory or who are your team Rory? Me or Michelle no Amy? Are your team Rory? There is? Are there teams with Rory.

No I'm pretty much always all about Laurlai.

Right, but are you on her team? Because there's rivals? Right?

Here's my question for you, all of you, all of you, Okay, I want of love for Luke, who is always the voice of reason to me, to have said kind of hugged her, right or you know, because I don't want to say grabbed her because that seems like wrong, but sort of grabbed her and said, let's take a deep breath. Let's just take a deep breath, like I love you. You know that we are going to figure this out and talk to me.

Yeah, there's no drama, of course, I'm just but I'm just how are you going to piss off the fans if you do that? Which is you know, I'm just being glib, but it's right. I mean, like all intentional, what.

Would you have liked to have seen?

Well, I'm kind of on board with you, but to take it a step further, I would have preferred if she had at least waited till the diner was closed. Knowing how private Luke is like, that was humiliating for him. I felt really bad for him. Actually, you know, the public dressing down and stuff like that, they for sure had to talk. I just would have liked to have seen her, you know, wait till there was no customers around and done it privately and screened at each other, scream at each other in the diner when he's not you know, in the middle of something or whatever.

And my flag, which I did throw. I did not like the line. I did not like her saying she had a staff meeting when she didn't. I did not like her making you know, miss Patty cover for her. I thought that was weird, and I actually don't. That didn't track with the character for me. I don't really see Laura like doing that. Yeah, but she did it. But so well, you guys, you say how you feel.

I mean, I don't know. I feel like if that conversation, so I don't know that the therapist was necessarily overstepping. She did make the point to laurel I that Laurelai is the only one that can keep waiting, like Lorela needs to make a decision as to what she's gonna do and then live with the consequences either way. So I feel like if that conversation hadn't happened, she may not have gone straight to Luke that night and and given him that ultimatum, But I think it still would have boiled over at some point somehow, Like she already felt crappy before she had that conversation with Lenny, So she already, like Amy was saying, she was already avoiding Luke like it was gonna come to a head at some point.

Yeah, that's true. I can see your point for sure. I just kind of I just kind of think Lenny kind of steered her, like Laura, I was just looking for somebody tell me what to do because I'm freaking out, you know, right, Because.

She could have had, as ye say, Lenny was like a different type of therapist that said take a deep breath, like you got you've got nothing but time like this is who you love, he loves you. You have let's hope fifty years together. It's okay if it takes six more months. Like that was sort of my thing is she was so panicky when I'm like, I get that she wants to have another kid, but I don't think the like caluck is ticking quite so bad, Like what's the rush?

Yeah, I know, and I just think, you know, she probably worked herself up even more on the drive home from from Hartford to stars Hollow.

Right hotally, Oh my god.

You know Hurricane Laurela. I blew in And now it's like Luke didn't stand a chance.

But yeah, you are you little Lenny, now that I think about it.

No, I mean I'm not irrational. No, I'm not paved at her. I just thought, I mean I just couldn't. I haven't been able to get any sleep then since I you know, I just I don't know, Lenny. Yeah, I mean we talked about it. I thought it was a little bit of an overreach. But I just think with this kind of.

It's a TV series, it's a serial, it's a it's you know, you have to give an audience these you know, these kind of story beats to.

Keep them engaged. You know, it's difficult writing twenty two episodes and keeping people hooked. You know, it's really hard. So I think you you, maybe in these situations, are on the side of excess. I think they there are a lot of nuance. There's a lot of nuance and a lot of subtlety and everything that's going on in the show. But in the big story beats, I think you can afford to be a little clumsy because people really definitively know that it happened, and they engage and they talk about it, and they don't like it, and some defend it, and it's all very It's good for the show if people are engaged in talking about it, even if they're ticked off. And I don't think it's so far afield that it just like kind of knocks people out of the show. Oh that's so absurd. I'm not going to watch it again. No, it's just a it's just a These are.

It's dramatic moves, but they all tract.

For me, right, And you know, I did really enjoy that scene in the car. I thought that was, you know, kind of a nice quiet come down moment before it escalated again, like, and.

How did you feel about the ending scene? Am I still on an island? I was the only one who wasn't that mad about it.

I was thinking, you know, Christopher was a little cocky, and don't get too excited about this. You're to be there forever without giving away anything. But yeah, so yeah, it was really you know, it was seeing her the look on her face was like, oh god.

So yeah.

Suzanne had a good call out on that that it's very similar the beginning and the end of the episode, so for sure.

Yeah. If I can just add one more thing that was kind of sad? Did you guys find it sad that the one and only time that lore likes that I love you to Luke was when she was screaming at him in the Hired show. And I just thought, oh, like, he's done so much for her, you know, saved her dog's life and given her money and done you know everything.

She's okay, So this begs a question, do you guys think that she's terribly sentimental?

M or I think she protects herself so much.

It's the humor. It's the humor is her her armor.

Yeah, which which we had another person on the show that kind of called out, and it's making me think that Christopher and Laura l I both do that sort of sticky you know, which I always like because I think their banter is so fun. It's true they are kind of both doing that where the reason Luke is so great with her is he is steady to her, you know.

You know, oh yeah for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, and growing up the way she did, she probably Yeah, she wasn't a sentimental type person, so.

Yeah, which I won't give anything away, but there are some revelations in season seven where she starts to sort of realize some of these things. Yeah, there are some sort of aha moments for Morlai coming up.

And the household that she grew up and was not particularly demonstrative, like I don't think that Emily and Richard were ever saying I love you excessively.

You know.

You know, she just didn't grow up in a people for expressing their affection for each other.

That's true. Even with Rory, she wasn't overly openly affectionate or anything.

So yeah, she's not sort of smushy mushy.

No, she's not one of those people like well Amy, I don't know I'm still not a Christopher family as you are, but you know, I appreciate what you're saying.

Like I'm trying because I feel like he's so significant and I don't find him to be all bad. He's not great.

Listen, listen, Michelle, We're going to do an intervention with any Okay, don't tell her. We're going to surprise her one day. We're all going to end up in one of her mansions or one of hers and we're going to get her in to rehab.

Yeah, we're going to de Christopher, de Christopher.

We're gonna.

Have you seen some of the nicknames he has among the fans, God.

Give us a couple.

I actually probably.

Have probably the one of the most predominant one and I have. I've gotten so used to typing this out. Is exta her?

Yeah, that a couple I saw that. It's actually really funny.

Uh sometimes you refer to him as the C word. We don't even actually say his name.

God, people hate him.

I know, it's so funny. You know, I can kind of see he is. He's cute. I'll give him out my he's.

Charming, and they have this connection and like sometimes he redeems himself, like you know, he's always there for her. I don't know, is ish everybody ish?

I mean, how boring would it be if nobody liked Christopher right, like among you guys, Like somebody has got to like the guys.

Right he's a pure villain, like you know, he's not a villain, he's just sort of hopeless. Michelle, you rock. Please stay in touch with us.

Thank you so much for having me.

Gosh, thank you, thank you.

Take care of.

Thank yous are coming.

Oh yes, we have the coolest people.

That they're good. And that's going to wrap part one of the call ins. The best fans on the planet calling in. We get to talk to them, we get to experience them, we get to enjoy them. Uh and we will be back momentarily for part two.

Stacy Everybody's alf again.

Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmour at iHeartRadio dot com.