I Am All In with Scott PattersonWe’ve Been Missing Each Other Lately (S6 E21 “Driving Miss Gilmore”)
Luke and Lorelai….are things really as bad as Lorelai seems to think they are?
If you were in a similar situation, would you have postponed the June 3rd wedding?
Are you with Lorelai? Or is there another side to the story?
And, the house… what a wedding gift! Or are there ulterior motives?
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Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcasts, one of them productions. I Heart Radio Art Media are heart podcast And this is the RSV edition of the podcast. We're all sick. I think all of us are.
Wait, who is anyone not sick?
You guys aren't sick? All right, so it's just you and me, Amy.
I got my first. Of all, I sound a little better than how gross I sounded last week. But yeah, I've got RSV. I'm doing good with it. But it lingers. Nothing lingers. I thot it for well eighteen days.
We have episode twenty one, season six, driving Emily Gilmore, really and a rollicking affair? It was Wasn't it really good? It was? It was? It was I know, I changed the title.
I said, Okay, what did you think of it?
Overall?
Guys? I loved it?
Yeah, yeah, no, uh not. It didn't really have a flaw.
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
I have to laugh because my opinion is always so different than every I did not like this episode.
I can't wait to hear why tell us a little?
Why a little why is I just I felt like the storylines were like just really melodramatic and unrealistic, and some of the acting was a little overdone.
I wrote a little a little over the top with the Suki and Jackson and a little over the top. Oh God, that's.
Susanne's waiting to counter anything we like.
It's really funny how my opinion is always different, even like the very first time I was on the podcast, I don't remember what the episode was, but you guys all hated it and it was one of my favorites. I'm not even sure what it was now, but it was. I just wasn't My brain just works differently, Wit.
That's so interesting. I can't wait to hear what you We'll just go through it because I want to hear what you liked and didn't like. May I say my favorite thing of the whole episode really fast though. That was real rain, and I didn't do it. It was really cool that it was really raining.
I noticed that too.
I did like that it did.
Not get on the camera lens, which I thought was impressive. But it was definitely raining, and that was pretty rad. I'm not sure it was fun to film, but it was really rad to watch.
Well, anything that causes the temperature to go down a little bit is welcome on that set, you know.
Yeah, when did this air? Daniel?
It aired on May second, two thousand and six.
So May second, when would you have filmed it? March?
I don't know.
Here used like a month ahead, little more month and a half.
Who knows?
Pretty legit.
All right? So we started out Friday night dinner, which is pretty still. Oh geez, gott, I'm sick. I'm sorry, I have we know.
If you have RSV, but you should get tested.
I have something, but go ahead. Synopsis. I'm so sorry, Susan.
I will let you do it because my crown was kind of taken away last week. So I'm just gonna.
Yeah, me and Suzanne, we're having a better, better week.
Okay.
This is season six, episode twenty one, Driving Miss Gilmour. It aired on May second, two thousand and six. As we just established, sweet after getting Lasik surgery, Emily enlists Lorelized help as her driver and companion, finally revealing a big surprise that catches laurel I completely off guard. Meanwhile, Rory takes charge of Logan's recovery when he is released from the hospital.
Cute, but I'm ready for that facial hair to go.
On the way.
Well we have you know, we have spaghetti and meatballs causing the Lorele and Rory to regress behaviorally speaking.
I loved part of that scene and thought it was stupid at the same time.
But that's but that's that's when Gilmour is at its best.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's.
Light, light, silly comedy.
And the and the writing, the script, whatever, however you say. It was amazing all the things that they were saying. I just was like, who's taking away someone's dinner?
You're nuts, You're double nuts.
Yeah, yeah, so good, It's so good.
And then I heard Hermann comes in and keeps they keep doing the joke. Well it must be the spaghetti.
Am I wrong that we hadn't seen him in a couple episodes we have?
Yeah, it's been a while.
Yeah, I'm so happy.
Susan. Did you like that because we liked that? Did you like get Herman showing up or did you hate it?
No?
It was good.
I thought it was cute.
I thought the whole thing with Laura, I like waving her fork around. She would never have done that at Emily's table, Like, I think that was where I was like, eh, that's a little over the top, but it was funny. I definitely was laughing.
Yeah, but the spaghetti and meatballs makes them regress to a childlike state.
And what about the Rory Gilmore Library, the Rory Gilmore Astronomy, I mean that was I was quickly doing the math. I'm like, are they giving a million dollars? It feels like they're giving a million dollars.
For a dedicated There's got to be more that. It's got to be more like five to ten million. Yeah, yeah, man, you know. And then Laura I says to forget about it. Rory there, bye bye.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
It was a good opener, absolutely a good opener.
All right.
Then when we go to uh uh, well, we find out that Emily is she changes subjects. She's having Lasik surgery with an extremely handsome doctor. And this makes this makes at Herman a little schellice a little touch.
Did do you guys hear the shout out to doctor Sugarman Sugarman?
Yes?
I did. Doctor Sugarman was not the eye doctor, but he's the ear nose and throat doctor. And here's what's crazy. Not related, but there is a very famous doctor Sugarman in LA that is an ear nosen throat doctor. So I don't know if it was a tip of the hat to the real doctor Sugarman, who could be whose clients could be on the show.
Well, let's get him on, let's let's grow on. Actually it's not a bad.
Idea, idea, especially with everyone's RSV.
Not a bad idea.
Magic Johnson's also going around promoting the RT the vaccine. If anyone care course we could.
Move be off Magic, I'm definitely taking it. I'll take four. He's doing it.
I did laugh at the handsome doctor and the like doctor Marcus Welby, which I'm sure we'll talk about in pop culture.
But so then they talk about then Emily is up to her old tricks again. That they sat down with Christopher invited him to the country club.
Now, that was interesting. It was right because it would have been concerning if not for the end of the episode where you're like because at first you're like, oh, what's happening.
You're right, Yeah, you're right, You're like, why are you hanging out with Christopher? But then we got the payoff and.
I won't say it, but I think it should be acknowledged. Knowing what comes makes it that much more interesting. But yet I don't think they had ulterior motives. Well they did, but then you do you.
Got a I even wrote that in my notes, I wrote, ulterior motive.
Okay, talk about.
Well, let's let's let's talk about it when we get to the end, because that's okay, fine, where is okay?
All right, So we'll put a pin in that they talked to Yale donation. We've been through that, all right. So now there's a hospital. Uh, Logan's in a wheelchair. He's being released from the hospital. Rory is really mothering him. What do we feel about this cute?
I did not like her.
Yeah, I was you, Suzanne. It was cute for a second, and then it just it just.
Was so ridiculous about every little thing. Yeah, okay, I just thought she was really over the top. And then she's like, oh, I cut off a little old lady so that we could so I could get a good parking place.
And I mean he did get hurty, dang hurt. It's not like he just had a little something, right.
But I don't know if the doctor says, you know, get out of bed and move around, and then she's like, I don't think that doctor knows what he's talking about. Well, why do you know what?
I thought there was a little sarcasm with that.
I don't know. I didn't. It was just a little too much for me, although I did like when Logan asked the doctor he said, can I be discharged to your house?
Yeah?
That was funny. I will say I did not like Rory's outfit and she wears it for an endlessly long amount of time in this episode, and I did not care for that. I literally wrote, no thanks.
I did not like that out But.
I thought the kiss was cute. I think they're cute. I think it's cute to see her caretaking and really caring. And I would be pairanoid if my boyfriend had those injuries. It might be a little over the top myself, but.
Just say, who cares? All right, We're going to go to the Dragonfly now, Michelle. Michelle is freaking out because he just found out that he s ingested too many calories.
Can you imagine if during the whole episode we had to like exercise like I was sure I could do?
It's Anne I bet you this scene bothered you more than any other scene because it was so over the top.
Right, Danielle, keep me dancing, Not more than any other scene, because there are some scenes that bother me more, although I did. I watched the episode twice last night because I'm like, I gotta find something to like about this episode, and it did kind of grow on me a little bit. I thought it was I thought it was kind of cute, and I actually, you know, shout out to unique Truesdale who had to keep doing that through those long cakes.
So it's hard you run out of moves after Scott and I are sort of trying to run in place and do moves.
I'm sick. I can't run.
First of all, I couldn't hear anything Suzanne was saying, like Danielle said, I was trying to hard the what am I going to do next?
What am I going to do?
Do you?
I just saying that all again.
I thought I didn't think it was that bad. I watched it twice and it kind of grew on me the second time, so I didn't. I didn't hate it, but it was kind of over the top.
The takeaway for me, though, as you realize she's blowing Luke off, and I'm like, what is going on?
And also I did you understand a thing that Michelle was saying?
No, I had to turn the titles on this.
Yeah, I couldn't. The accent was so thick. I couldn't understand.
Yeah, well, because understood the milk situation. He thought he was drinking that free and it was full fat or something.
And the Laurel I dis to Luke. It's like, you know, creating some space there.
It's just so weird. She's not only is she blowing him off, she's lying she's staff meeting and she doesn't have a staff meeting. And I'm not clear on Oh.
Yeah, I didn't like how she involved Suki and Michelle in that, you know.
And so why why did we go to this? I understand we left off with like a lot of angst, right because Amma will not accept her and Anna has yelled at Luke.
Do you think in her mind she and I mean, we can talk about this a little bit later, but she is acknowledging it's not working.
Yeah, and she's given us at this point. This is so this is one of the reasons I didn't like this episode is this is now the seventh or eighth episode. It's like groundhog Day. I'm like watching the same thing over and over. Luke is completely oblivious and Laurale's feelings are hurt, but she won't stand up and tell him how she's feeling.
Yep.
And I'm just kind of bored with it at this point. And I feel like, now in this episode, we see like after the whole birthday party thing where you know, she made this winning party for Luke and then she still gets her hand slapped. I think like she's just given up. She's like, Okay, I you know, I'm done.
He's done, but he's not done. And he's never given any indication of being done.
She's had any conversation with her about it either, like he has said nothing to her to kind of reassure her. And so she ends every episode upset and sad. And now we see that she's just throwing in the towel.
Yeah.
Again, she's not doing it in a healthy way because avoiding him is not the right way.
To do it. Here's the dilemma. I think the dilemma for the writers is this that and I kind of figured out what's coming and it's the bad thing, right, Yeah, so I kind of figured that out. I haven't seen her, I know, but I kinda but donk A dont going on there. It's going to be bad. So if if they the bad thing is going to happen next episode, I think, right.
So off my headphone.
No, because he doesn't know either, he's just thinking about speculating.
I'm just speculating. Yeah, I think they're setting up us up for this, and I think the writers are intentionally. You know, if they make Luke Luke too sympathetic or these two about to reconcile and there's a big understanding, then the bad thing can't happen. So it's like, how do you get to the bad thing? Right? You have to create However sloppily we claim it's being done or it's it's it's redundant, and it's like, all right, already, they got to get Laurel I into that bad into the bad thing. Somehow justify that it's that, that's why it's happened, because these two were so far apart in they're our community kiddingway, So how do you do that? So I understand what you're saying, I do I do Susanne, I do understand what you're saying, but uh so, maybe what you're saying is they could have done this a little better.
Yeah, like as a viewer, and I don't want to get too far ahead, but the scene in the bar where Luke is talking to TJ and he's you know, talking, he's talking about Liz, but like, I feel like the writers are toying with the viewers. It's like they put Luke in a position where he's trying to explain, oh, you know, she's really talking to herself, and I wanted to sweem the lines.
Well, it's very intentional they did that. They have like having a full speech, but yet he's clueless.
But then there's still no resolution for the viewer. So I don't know. And it kind of now we're at the end of the season and I'm kind of thinking about what we were talking about at the beginning of the season, where by this point, you know, the writers knew that they were on their way out and so they're like making a statement here and I don't know, I just wasn't a fan.
That's an interesting perspective.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think, okay.
Ever underestimate you know, personal feelings being hurt and what the repercussions can be.
I also, so, first of all, I don't know that all the writers leave, right. We know Amy and Dan leave, but a lot of the writers stay right.
Well, And maybe maybe it wasn't necessarily an intentional thing, like maybe it's it was just unconscious and that's how it came out in the writing. But Amy and Dan wrote this episode. They both had writing credit on this episode.
And I don't know.
I just I don't know that you're gonna tank your own show even if you can't make a deal for season seven, right, It's like.
Maybe I didn't I that's just my impression. I'm not saying I don't know these pe I think they know they are completely wrong, but that's how it feels.
And I could be totally wrong too, Like we're just spitballing here, guys. So like they know they've got a season seven, right, So to me, if I planning right, because I'm planning right now for our season seven and what's going to be after that? So is there a chance that if you keep them together? I'm not saying they're gonna break up, but I'm just saying if you keep them together, that gives you one trajectory for season seven. If you break them up, it gives you a different trajectory. So it all may be quite intentional everything that's happening, and not in a bad way or purposely tanking Gilmore girls. It's just giving more. How do I say this without I don't hate what is to come? I found it quite Oh my wow, what is coming? So I'm interested when we get there. Who likes it and hates it?
Well?
I don't know.
I mean it's whether or not the creators consider Luke core character to this piece or not right, and they do. If you know, with lorl I hurtling towards the bad thing, what kind of impact does that have on her character? You know what I'm saying. So take her character down several notches. That's interesting parent blindness, take his characters?
I mean, is this character Well that's an interesting question.
Well, so what you're asking is this wilful character destruction or is it just some kind of handhanded way to get them to the bad thing?
Yeah?
Interesting? I mean yeah, let me ask you this. You are getting married, all of you. You're all getting married, right, You're engaged you're getting married and suddenly you find out that your fiance realizes he has a baby, a child that he didn't know about. Would you get married on June third or would you postpone the wedding?
I think it would be a conversation. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not one person's decision. They would both have to But what would you do? I personally would get married.
I probably would say, let's take a second. There's a lot going on right now, let's see what's going on.
I don't know what i'd do.
I mean because to me, and again this is just one hundred percent my opinion, and you don't have to agree with it. If I have this person that is my person, and I love them enough that I want to marry them, a child coming in isn't going to change my relationship with that person. They're still my person, I agree with That's that's my perspective on it. But I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer. I mean, everybody would have their own as I.
Might postpone the wedding because of the circumstances, right Like this is a little I know many people that postponed their wedding because a parent was ill right and they wanted to or they hurried up their wedding because of a parent right outside circumstances impact wedding days, Does that mean it impacts the relationship In my opinion, No, that April is not destroying the relationship with Luke. I think Lorelei is thinking it is. I don't actually think their relationship is bad just because they're postponing the wedding either.
I mean, why can't it continue to exist in this the normal state that it's in. It's you know, they're in love, They're they're a functioning, solid, grounded couple that live together. So it's like, okay, so it's delayed able.
And say they even want to have children, right, I don't think putting that off for six more months or a year is super problematic, right, it's not.
I don't even think it's about the wedding anymore.
Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but I also think that this situation suation. It's not April that's the problem. It's how they're dealing with the situation with April. So it's actions that are becoming red flags. Does that make sense totally?
And so do you guys? The three of you think that the relationship between Luke and Lorelai is actually not good right now.
Well, clearly it's not good. She's pulling away.
But is it warranted? I never really saw them having problems with their relationship other than and I get it's big how they feel about it.
Appears that Luke isn't interested in the relationship, like it's like he's not nurturing the relationship the way he used to that. So there's he's being neglectful of that relationship. And now it's quite clear. But is he Yeah, he's putting all his eggs. They're in the April basket, and there aren't a lot of eggs left for Laurla.
Isn't that?
I think she stands right. There's no conversation that they've had. You know, the onus is on him just to have that conversation with her, to start that conversation with her and reassure her.
But yes, I agree with that, But say you have a certain bandwidth, right, he works, he runs the diner. You know, he's now discovered April. He's got things right. So when you're in a relationship, a really good relationship like they have, as the other person. Don't you say, hey, I understand I'm not the top priority right now because you've got all these other things, and that person steps up to support the person in need, just like vice versa. Luke was really there for Laura I when she had her issues with Rory. So what I'm asking is, and again I'm really just asking it because I am not fully developed on my own opinion. Is there relationship really bad? Or is Lorelai just not no aborting Luke in his time?
Just because Luke doesn't need constant reassurance, it doesn't mean that Laura I requires the same. She needs a little bit of reassurance. He should understand that not everybody is like him, but he doesn't need the constant, doting, right reassurance. He's you know, he's going to be there regardless, but you know, not everybody's like that. Laura I obviously needs some communication. There's no communication. Susan's right, I've come full circle on this or so.
Also, it's like their whole relationship was Luke was a different way. You know, he was the one that said I'm all in. He was the one pursuing her, the one that was always very always we knew Luke was always a beacon of light in the sense that he always showed Laura Lie that he's there for her.
Do you feel he's treating her badly?
I don't think he's treating her badly unintentionally, Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, is like, it's not intentional at all, but he is unintentionally pushing her to the side.
I'm not seeing that as clearly as clearly you three are. I see him treating her quite well, right, Like he's loving and communicative ish, right, like as he's capable of. He's not a jerk, he's not lying.
He's shutting her out of one of the big moments of his life with his child. But she's completely shut out of that. He's not even talking about. He's even getting a little snippy with her if she tries to bring it up. And he gave her this big speech about communication.
Right.
He let her in with the birthday party thing, right, He let her come over, he let her run the birthday party. And then when.
Anna, because he was desperate.
Right exactly, I mean it served his purposes. Yeah, and then when Anna threw a tantrum about it, then he slammed that door shut again and got pissed at Laurel.
I like, I don't think he ever got pissed at Loralai. I don't. I didn't read it that way.
I didn't either.
I got it as he was upset and he's so bummed and frustrated and upset, but he's not blaming Lorali. So let me ask you guys this, are you all in the Lorelei Luke situation team? Lorali? If you had to.
Pick and Luke, I want them both to communicate with each other. They're both messing this up now.
But here's another aspect of this that I think he's so out of character at this point that it's you're hardly recognizing because where is the backbone? You know? And now I'm seeing this so clearly in this episode, where here's his backbone? When when Anna right? Right right? And where is his comeback? Like wait a minute, hang on a second. Yeah, I agree with you, and you said this, you echoed this last episode. It's like you didn't even tell me we had a child. How dare you talk to me this way?
Yeah?
I agree with you for twelve years.
You know, I mean completely, I'm saying that he didn't say it.
You know what, Danielle, it seems like a moment we should bring up the person that wrote to us.
Oh yeah, so someone DM me because you know how we got into a heated discussion last episode about how, like why did Anna keep this secret away from Luke? And this person told us because she didn't know who the baby daddy was? Because remember April had a test three different carerors and so in front of us. You know, so she maybe just didn't know that Luke was the father.
I don't know, that's a disagree Yeah, she's just.
A good it's a good staff speculation though, you know, like she was too embarrassed she didn't know who the father was.
She could have gone to that. I mean even if she was had, you know, another person that she was dating, or she was seeing multiple people, she could have gone to each of them.
And you know, I never got and like, with all due respect to whoever wrote in, I'm not like trying to be mean to them, but I never got the impression that Anna didn't know who the father was. I think Anna knew the whole time.
That's a fair point. But why would she make April go around and pick all the hair out? Why would she do that to her kid?
She didn't know April was doing it. She didn't know what April's project was.
But then how did April know that there's these three dads?
Because so if you go back to the episode where Luke shows up at Anna's house and he's like, why didn't you tell me, she says that she didn't know about the project and that April had gotten the names for old letters, so she put the whole thing on it. Now, maybe she was lying. I don't know. We don't have anything to.
Indicate that, Oh right, they don't.
She told Luke that April did this entire thing completely on her own, and she didn't know about it until after the fact, So I don't I don't necessarily see any evidence that Anna didn't know who.
Okay, So that makes sense, all right, So let's always trust that everyone's truthful, right, So she found boyfriend letters or whatever in Anna's box of letters or box, you know, her hope chest, whatever, and she then goes and finds them. Whereas we are to assume that April didn't know who the dad was, but Anna always knew.
Okay, fair, I can.
I can accept that? Okay? Fine, it still does not make it okay that Anna right didn't So that's point as well. Yes, Scott's point is well taken in that you're right, like you should have said to her, back up, yeah, girl, you show up. You know, I'm throwing the birthday party, I'm going on the school trip. I'm doing everything you want. And my fiance saved the day and your kid had a wonderful time and everyone is safe and healthy and happy, and you should be sending me a muffin basket.
But I think, you know, I think I think Luke is a little gun shy because Anna has the power of the visitation over him. She can withdraw that at any time and he'll never see that kid again unless her lawyers up.
Yeah, yeah, he sure could, and he will get yeah, a lot. He will get fifty to fifty custody. That explains that she said the not lawyer.
So there we go.
So, uh, good talk, guys, good talk.
Yeah, nice talk, nice talk.
Got to go.
So it was sad to me, the blowing off, I know, just a a button on that that bothered me a lot.
Yeah, I did not like that.
That did not seem Lorelai ish, and it was hurtful. I did not like it. All right, So now we're no marro wanna sit.
Now we're in pot Farm, USA. Stars. They grow the hill the.
Hill, boy, did they?
And uh, you know that was particularly amusing. I thought, what did you guys think? I thought it was funny, very make Gilmore girls seem very edgy.
And you know what I missed that came back in this episode a bit was is the physical comedy even though it was Jackson when he bumps into that table and the two background actors are like, it was a really good bump into. There was a lot of physicality for both Jackson and Suki, and I was, I liked it and we missed. I haven't seen that in a while.
Missed it. Yeah, some great lines, Suki blame it's the Templeton brothers. Those Templeton brothers. They listened to the Almond Brothers. But we should have known people that listened to Almond Brothers always smoke crass. We're felons that I laughed out loud. The Almond Brothers. I used to listen to them all the time.
Same thing when they say, do you think Neil Young would want this later?
But yeah, we're not. Yeah that would have just given you right, and then we have what makes there's some magic happening in stars Hollins Grantly Phillipsing doing a cover of that Simon and garfal By oh Man, and it's just there you go, the magic of Gilmore on full display.
Yeah, the magic of background actors freaking nailing it. That was a long scene with him and a lot of background actors with umbrellas in the rain, crash.
To walk through the rain with an umbrella.
The umbrellas multiple times crashed into that tree and they just kept going and there were a lot of them going. And then it continues when you go into the diner and the rain is still in the background. Really great performance by Rain.
Yeah, nominated fantastic nature. The rain really stole stole those scenes. So now we're in Luke's diner and Kirks sitting there kind of bragging about his beard, a little stubble, some grown grown.
And Luke is in perfect Luke form, like can you can you disorder right? Right?
And then I'm happy with all of it. Liz comes in all beaming and happy, announces she's pregnant, gives her away, was surprised that Luke figured it out. Tej's gone, he's left, and Luke gets pissed, so he gets all brotherly. So he's going to defend his sister. He's going to seek PJ out and open up a can of whoop pass maybe two?
What may?
She said, right, she's in her come what may stage? Just come what? All right? So now we're at Logan's apartment. Paris and Doyle are by Logan, which is actually very funny.
Oh my god, wait really fast. So I can't take credit for this because it's in one of my Gilmour books, but there's an episode where Liz reveals in season four that her boyfriend was the garbage collector but also has the marijuana something.
He's the one that sold her the pot.
Yeah, so so technically there's a theory in the book. And I will give credit to the Gilmore Girls Companion book for this note. Uh, Suki and Jackson could have just tossed the marijuana and had no repercussions because the garbage collector saw his side hustle of marijuana just calling it out. Good great, great knowledge by the companion.
Book that so thank you for that. And so now Logan's trying to get out of bed and Paris is not allowing it.
Oh my god.
Through Rory's instructions.
It was actually funny.
And there's the what is it? What is it? The penguins?
What's the Penguin movie?
Wasn't that how I learned that penguins they don't mate for life, but they mate for season. They like mate, and then they have a baby. It's it was that the March of the Penguins. They probably couldn't say it because they call it the Penguin movie. Oh my god, penguins are it? Also, tupperware is a bedpan is not about cool?
And Logan just wants to move around. They don't want him to. Uh So does Paris call Rory and say, hey, what's up with this guy?
I think I think Rory calls to check in on Logan, or Logan calls Rory to be like, you got to get these two crazy?
Yeah, the Maidens calls Rory.
Right Doyle. Doyle cracks me up in this scene. Yeah, I love them together.
They're hilarious every time, totally.
And she's studying for the mcat or whatever, and she says all the parts of thee they.
Gave Paris the perfect companion, like casting wise, the actor, but also the character.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, and he's gone on to be legit Doyle.
Oh yeah. And then Rory calls from the from Yale Daily News newsrooms. So he's trying to present Rory with the editorial piece in the from the Wall Street Journal.
They left me hanging there. I was like, what, we.
Don't know what it is. Yeah, but then we find out what it is. And Mitcham, is is quoted in this article, is taking credit for a couple of people careers, and he mentions Rory Gilmour out of the blue and says, I gave her her break at the Hartford Gazette, that she went on to be the editor of the Yale Daily News, which I I gather as a very lofty perch in the journalism world, because if you come out of there, you're gonna you're gonna do pretty well, pretty well in the world of journalism.
Do you feel like she should have been as like bent by Mitcham as she is.
That was a little over the top.
Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree with you there. That might be the one chink right there.
I didn't mind it with Logan. I thought that part was good. It was when she called the paper. I'm like, that was.
Right, right, a journalist herself, right, you know, like you don't do that. There was nothing in that article that wasn't factual, just because he was, you know, upset by it, because she has kind of this knee jerk reaction to Mitcham has nothing to do with the article itself.
I don't know. I just didn't yet. Yeah, well, at least she got something out of the unpleasant encounter.
With Mitcham's truth actually true.
Right, you know, And maybe that was his sort of backhanded way of making amends somehow, right, and his twisted soul. All right, Now we're back at the dragon fly in and Michelle is really kicking in with the over the top calisthenics using the luggage cards. And I mean, it was it was just that was particularly over the top, wasn't it. But it's still funny. It made me chuckle, you know.
Uh.
And then Emily calls Laureal I and think we find out she's uh needs that the Lasik surgery did not go well. But Laurel I doesn't know about this because Richard apparently did not tell her.
Also classic and great, And then I had a red flag on this though, because if she had surgery and it didn't go well, I can't imagine Richard flying off to South Dakota. He would have been like, no, find somebody else to do this business trip, because my wife is having a medical crisis. I need to be with her.
I felt like it all happened at the same.
Time that in fact, what happened or did he leave the day of the surgery?
Well, why would he do that? Like that didn't make.
Sense because it's not a Lasik surgery.
It's not right, Like it's like kind of like a trip to the dentist times a.
Little bit right, it's like Blasik surgery. I would make my husband be the one that like takes me and pick me up.
They also have a lot of help at the house, Like he's going to help her people.
He's got a big account to settle in South Dakota.
And most of the time, don't you get Lasik and then you just like cruise home and you're good.
Yeah that's what I thought.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't.
I think it went awry, But I'm not mad at rich I'll.
Let you know, I'm pretty much almost there.
No way you're going to do it.
Well, I don't know.
I mean I.
Want to, but I'm just too scared.
Yeah, why have you have you heard bad things?
No, I just.
Your eyeballs contacts.
I don't mind wearing contacts all the time. So it's kind of like whatever.
I will say. Side note, my mom had cataract surgery and she doesn't even need her glasses anymore. Really, it's crazy.
And that's lazy.
No, it's full cataract. They like, I don't know what they do to you. Speaking of a lot of on the caregiver, I had a driver like twelve times. You have to go air and back and it check out the next day and then the next day and the next day. That being said, she literally couldn't had to have glasses and couldn't really see. And now she doesn't even wear glasses, like crazy town, how well it works.
So then so now you my cataracts surgery.
So Richard's bagging on South Dakota says it did.
Not look like he was in a hotel in South Dakota. Looked like he was on set with the same rain in the background, just saying yeah.
He said, this hotel smells like a foot.
I laughed, out loud.
That was good.
Yeah, because I know that smell great. It's like rotten cheese.
So now we're back with Suki and Jackson staring at their bags of marriage and they have to wait for dark.
Oh my god, starting to smell.
To move the contraband if you will, uh and yeah, the house has started stink. And now we're back at Logan's apartment and they talk about you know, he calmed, Logan calms down about I realized that it's the boon for your career. Yeah, react, this is you know, it turned out very well that one.
I that scene I liked.
I'm liking them right now, Susan.
I thought that scene was okay. There was one Rory had this one weird long trunk of dialogue. Yes, yeah, it was way over the top about thebituaries and I memorized all his kids. That was stupid. She would not have said all that. I thought that was silly. But other than that, I thought that was a good scene.
And now we're at Emily's and she is uh, sprawled out on the sofa with sunglasses on in the dark, in the dark, but it was very well lit in the dark. Yes, Lorelai comes in refers to as missus ownassis h Doctor Mengele, and we we get onasa's doctor Mangole and Marcus Welby md all in one paragraph. And then uh, cab drivers in Prague? Do you know about them?
That?
I mean? This is what I'm talking about the combination of pop culture references in here is staggering. You go from missus onasas doctor Mangle, Marcus WELLBMD to cab drivers in Prague.
And I believe it's the second time cab drivers have been mentioned?
Is that right? Who else writes like that? Nobody else? Right?
The cab drivers got mentioned in season one. Also they really yea also stolen from the Gilmore Girls companion Guide.
So now she's you know, she's pulling off her whole diva routine. Feel sorry for me. You're going to have to take me.
To on all her errands, Like can I just do the errands? Because that's literally what I would have said, Can I just do them? I'd be so to do them. It's the taking of the the mom on the errands.
Yeah, do you want to hear my red flag on this scene? And this actually I didn't even catch this, but my husband pointed this one out.
Oh, mister Suzanne, I'll tell her all in that place. We've all met him too, and we like him a lot.
By the way, so.
He pointed out the According to the dialogue, the doctor only operated on the one eye because he wanted to direct how that one healed before he did the other one. So how is she blind? If they didn't even operate.
On one eye? Would work? You know, I don't know that she's blind, though, I feel like she's having great sensitivity to light. One can obviously sort of see.
Yeah, I mean maybe the way in the hat she's so helpless and she said she was blind for forty eight hours or something like that.
You would think you would just wear an eyepatch so that you can.
Right, she could wear a patch and although a patch is tough, maybe it was just tough.
It's good fly. That's a good fine good flag, yeah, good flag.
Yeah.
But also then I wouldn't get all these great scenes of Lorelai driving that ginormous.
Suv, right, and they talk about it. She just Emily doesn't want to go in the jeep, so she wants to go and car Jake.
I wouldn't want to go in the GP either, so bouncy. I'm not a fan of those wranglers.
Bullet proof, not comfortable.
Yeah, we get mentions of me and Pharaoh, Broadway, Danny Rose, and Sarah Bernhardt, so they were flying. The pop culture references were flying.
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be a serious pop culture episode this week.
All right, Now you got a bar. Luke I love, Oh my God, storms into the bar because he wants to he wants to take a little chunk out of Teach.
And this was a good scene. Although the speech is fascinating, the Luke speech. Yeah, I'm glad we didn't have again what I call Three's Company episode, Like we didn't have to. We got right to the fact that Teacher's.
Like, uh Luke Dane's psychologist.
Yeah, we got quickly to the meat of it is that which we knew. Liz kicked him out, So I'm glad he explained that real clearly, real fast. And Tej Yeah, I love how TJ was.
He had no idea why Luke was so mad, but he's basically like, okay, hit me, go ahead, Like he he was like, okay, I'll just let you hit me, Like you didn't want to fight and you was just gonna let Luke hit him. I just I don't know, I thought.
But he was so concerned about the bar owner's rules, like don't burn down the house and no fights inside.
Is there anything else, Susan, and you feel you need to say about Luke's speech? That did trigger me. I definitely was like, this is a long speech.
It's real rich coming from Luke's really right.
Exactly, Daniel, Like I wanted to grab Luke by the shoulders and shake him and be like, do you hear yourself right now? Like apply this to your own life?
It was so, But can we discuss that? Why is that? Like, why is it that he is so oblivious? Is he oblivious or is he because.
He's so caught up in Well, he's not oblivious. He's so hot up in the fact that he just found out he has a child. He's oblivious to I will give him that a little bit.
Well, he is caught up in the whole child thing, but he is completely oblivious to loralized feelings. Yes, I have no explanation for that. Pancakes, It does good, pancakes probably a good tune of melt.
Too, Yeah, not bad, not bad? All right, So now we're driving with Laurella and Emily amazing, and she's doing about five miles an hour, and that.
Entirely Emily knew where the exit was, which is why I don't think she's blind, right, because she goes, you're going to miss the exit, like you wouldn't know that if you couldn't see, And.
That entire scene was looped.
Em thank you for that note, Scott.
It was looped.
I have to rewatch. It didn't bother me because sometimes looping.
Does.
You know, it's just a little Maybe they.
Had bad audio in that suv, well.
Yeah's it always happens when you're on location. And then you know, they talk about Chris's short hair and how Emily thinks that it makes him kind of look like a convict or a miss messuse either or, and then Emily starts in with her sort of her her manipulation. Yeah, you ulations talk about Emily's manipulations.
I just didn't quite understand why Emily is suddenly so concerned about Christopher's love life, well, especially because of the end, right.
She's trying to get these two back together.
But she isn't, which I would have thought that too, But she isn't because what she's doing is buying a house for Laura Lion Luke, So.
Maybe she's just messing with her.
Well, I think it's just a bait and switch to the audience personally, as like, you know, that's to me where the writers were going, We're going to have We're going to dupe the audience here, right, it sweeps this is that we're coming towards the end of the season. The whole episode, the audience is going to think that she's trying to get her back with Christopher, which we all are already in on the and then we get to the house and which is such a kind gesture, but I digress.
Yeah, I agree, big gesture, three aggres a pond nice and.
Laurel lies like so moved by it, and we get the moment of.
You know, it just didn't track for me with this whole Like, yes, it's a grand and awesome gesture to buy them a house, but Emily was just at their house and saw that they renovated it and that she even complimented Lauralize saying that this is this is a homey house, like I can really see you here. So why would she then buy her a new house?
Because she said that Luke wants you know, he's a man, he wants acreage and he wants to space.
She wants her to have horses, and you're not going to let me throw you a wedding, right, so let me give you this house. I think it's like, you live in a nice house right now, But wouldn't you want a bigger hole? So if someone's going buy.
It for you, I would take it.
Yeah.
So is this where I should talk about what I think the ulterior motive is or do we want to talk about the other scenes?
No, talk about that.
Let's talk about it.
Let it out, Let it Okay. So now this this may be completely wacky and probably a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but I think that the house, I think it's a I think.
It's a nice gesture. Let me say that. First of all, I thought it was very thoughtful that she wants, you know, Emily thinks Luke should have his own place, and they want to have horses, and you know, they can make it a star's hollow address. I did think it was a nice gesture. But the way in my brain is tying it back to the very beginning of the episode, when they were saying, how you know, we had lunch with Christopher and we're not mad at him anymore about paying for Yale and blah blah blah, because they figured out a different way to manipulate loraal life financially. So if they buy this house for her, that is yet another way that they will have something hanging over her that they can use matipulate her.
But don't you think they would have done that anyway if their relationship had never gone wry. No. I think if they were close, they would have done the same thing. Had she been in some kind of a situation where whoever she married wasn't doing well enough to do that, then, because they were having a good relationship and there was never a falling out, the Gilmore would have done this anyway.
I think they're trying to do something nice. Now, I think they're trying.
To do something nice, but it just conveniently also benefits them.
Well, yeah, look, Emily is always looking for a way to be more connected to Laura, LII and Rory. Right, So I think it's a super nice gesture. It's super like there's a lot of heart to it, right because of where they did it, and that she picked the house that LAURAAI would like. She did not pick the house she would like, right, And yes, if it connect them to her, that's sort of a cherry on top, I think for her.
Yeah, I just think that that was why they were so ready to let go of the whole you know, Christopher paying for you ale thing, and like, oh, we're not mad about it anymore because we figured out this other plan. Like they didn't say that part out loud, but that's kind of in my head where they were going with it, because I can just hear, you know, at some point in the future, I can hear Emily's voice when the next time Laura I pisses her off, and you know, I can hear Emily saying, you know, after we bought that house for you, I can't believe you would say that. Like, I can totally hear that happen at some point in the future and that would be used in that way. And another thing too that I caught when Emily was saying, you know, something about how she knows that it's going to take Luke some time to get used to the idea because it is such an extravagant gift, and she says something about I've concocted a few lies that we can tell him for his own good. She can never not be devious. She's already figuring out how are we gonna lie to Luke about this house, which just annoyed me. I don't know, I just didn't think it was purely a gesture of love. I think it was calculated to benefit them.
And didn't really take Luke's feelings into consideration at all.
Right, I mean, like Zebra doesn't change their stripe, She's still always going to be how she is.
But I still was like.
Not mad about it.
Yeah, just get the house, and it was like get the three acres, Yeah, the three and I begat one of the funniest lines in the whole episode. He says, you didn't really think we were shopping for a hearse, a place where neighbor would come over with the pie and want to chit chat.
What scenes did we skip? Because I know we skipped the scene of Suki and Jackson getting rid of the the marijuana when they bump into the We.
Didn't skip anything.
We're not there yet, that's right. So we went ahead with Suzanne.
Ready to ride in the sun.
Okay, so we allowed Suzanne the moment to give her yeah, ships where she calls the paper, she calls the Wall Street Journal.
But we talked about that.
Earlier and we didn't skip anything. We just gave you.
We gave you. Yeah, gosh, Scott didn't what you have to hold.
On to that? No, I unburdened yourself.
Yeah, so keep going, all right.
So now we have a request coming from Rory to the Wall Street Journal writer to to retract, i mean, edit out change what was said by mitcham Huntsberger in the ratcle and I think it it gave birth to one of the silliest scenes. According to Suzanne. You want to you wanna opine on this scene.
Well, I kind of already did. I just didn't. I think as a journalist, Rory would have known that the Wall Street Journal is not going to publish a correction I.
Mean on that correction of what exactly.
Yeah, if that melodramatic tone of this episode that I wasn't.
And if you're if you're at the Yale Daily, and if you're going to pick up a phone and give it, give somebody at the Wall Street Journal the business so crazy? Yeah, it was all right. So now we're at Luke's and uh, and Liz is having a meeting with her. Oh yeah about single mothers.
Remind me that scene in Jerry Maguire when all those ladies are sitting around with Bonnie Hunt.
Right, I'm like, oh my god. And Luke comes in and says, Liz want to talk to you, and they talk and then lets her know that he knows what really happened. And there's t J waiting outside.
I love TJ without a jacket.
Out a jacket, and he gets them back together. Isn't that nice? Uh? And now we're at with Laurel I and Emily once again, and she's taking her to the real estate office and and Laurel I wants to know why she doesn't and this is the scene we talked about with the house and uh, uh, I guess.
We talked about this, says the wedding.
Is it? That's the big takeaway from this?
Right, leading us up to the finale of.
Did that seem a little out of left field for anybody?
Or yes? I think I think that it's extreme that she thinks they're like not gonna make it. Like life is hard, right, and if you're going to marry somebody you're gonna have ups and downs. So that's where I'm at on it, Like I kind of took it that I've minutes chill.
I'm kind of like, finally somebody is acknowledging this isn't going to happen. Like that's how for me, I was more relieved.
I still get it. I don't see it not happening, do you know what I'm saying.
I could have used one sort of botched attempt at communication that didn't go well and they get into a little mini fight about it or whatever, and then they're not speaking. I mean, I could have used a little fireworks to make me buy into this more.
I just don't see their relationship being as disastrous as you guys. And I guess I might be wrong, but I just don't see it being either.
So I don't either. I don't see, don't I don't feel, I don't see. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but we haven't seen it played out correct. It's like we don't have enough inserts or scenes. Like there's one scene of Luke in bed and the kids are downstairs. After the Field Company has a moment of reflection, he stills the ceiling because the alone he is thinking about Lorelai and am I blowing this or whatever? I don't know, but there just needs to be more of that.
Yeah, I mean, I don't find I've seen many a show where relationships are terrible, and this one isn't it right. So I'm just saying it.
Isn't It isn't terrible, But there's also it's not right either.
But if it's not set up well, it comes off like melodrama. And that's why I came off like melodrama, you know what I mean? Like it it seems kind of out of the blue. And then we're not gonna make it, mom right, I'm like, what right?
You know?
Give it we needed anyway? Ah. You know, if you want to make a meal lot of it, you better prepare the food. Yeah, all right, So now we've got Suki and Jackson hustling the bags of meal the good Zepo and they mean the pickles.
Oh yeah, you know what I always forget in my mind, even though I just watched it yesterday, Right in my mind, that's the end of the episode. But it isn't. Just like Gilmergle was always a little bit more okay.
So they run into uh Grantly Buffalo and he's got great news and for a music just a street musician, a local street musician to say something like, hey, you're not gonna believe this. Somebody, a promoter ran into me on the street and said, hey, you want to open food a couple of dates for Neil Young. I mean that is like, you know, that's like lightning hit to you. It's it's just fantastic. And they just go, yeah, great, we gotta go.
Then they just don't even care.
Right then they hit the rabbi and the priest are there and they talking about some things and feelings and philosophies. You guys want to talk a little bit. Now we got to go boom. So this was maybe my favorite scene out of the whole thing. Uh And then here we are. Lorelei arrives at Suki and Jackson's place and she is in a state.
Yeah, which I like that she went there.
I liked that she's she's in a state she needs to talk or she just needs to be around her friend. And it ends with her saying what's that smell?
That was good?
And how many pounds of marijuana tod Suki said.
Was sixty sixty something. Yeah, just sixty eight.
Pounds in marijuana. That's just that's what's sixty eight pounds in marijuana?
Wow?
All right? So what are we giving it?
Kids, Danielle, I'm going to give it eight point seventy five pickles, bags of pickles, gotcha?
Gotcha? Uh, Suzanne, I don't know.
I have to continue the trend because these are not good episodes for me. I'm going to give it seven, and I am struggling to even give it that much, but I'm going to give it seven pairs of dark glasses.
Seven pairs of dark glasses.
Amy nine, Michelle doing a lot of calistex aerobics dance.
Just call them reps.
Yea, all of it.
Uh yeah, I'm gonna Now that we've discussed it and more fertile minds than I have pointed out some obvious flaws, I'm gonna go below nine. I think I was gonna give it a high nine, but I think I'm gonna go eight point nine. Okay, almost a nine. You know you could round it to a nine. But I did enjoy the episode. I laughed quite a bit. I enjoyed the jokes. I mean, the jokes were great, but yeah, no, I see everybody's point here, so that's gonna be eight point n crutches logan crutches one. Yeah, all right, so what's are we doing? Favorite lines? What's your favorite line?
My favorite line was when they were at the real estate office and the lady asks Laura if she needs an hour for her headache, and Laura, no, I've had the headache for thirty Yeah.
I thought that was very funny. I liked that whole scene. I don't have a favorite line, but I really liked that whole everything about that whole scene.
I liked Emily's line when she says, you didn't think we were gonna buy all the stars hollow? I would be terrified today it would stop chat. I'd kill myself.
I was pretty in the Kirk's beard. Kirks beard.
Anyway.
That is going to wrap it up, kids. Uh. The finale is next time Wow, Season six, Episode twenty two, end of season six, and the name of it escape me right now. I think that's the bad thing.
The next episode is is it called Partings?
Is that all?
Yeah?
Partings?
You're right?
Partings?
Wow?
Pardines. Okay, so we'll see you next time kids. Next episode season six, the finale episode twenty two part times any way you want it. You can spell like signs or it doesn't matter. We know what we mean, and we mean what we know best. Fans on the planetnaction with downloads, keep coming and we will see you next time.
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