I Am All In with Scott PattersonThings Change (S7 E3 “Lorelai’s First Cotillion”)
We are so happy to have Richard and Emily back. “Most” of us feel this episode was actually pretty good! But, at the end of this podcast episode it takes a surprising dark turn.
Christopher wasn’t nearly as Ickstopher.
Lane’s storyline is still leaving us unimpressed.
Then, we debate…to sext or not to sexy!
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You know what, guys, I didn't hate it.
I didn't hate it either.
Yeah, there are parts I had notes on, but it wasn't overall terrible.
There was some suckiness, there wasn't a lot.
Emily is back in that saved this episode.
And Richard and Richard back got me in the.
Group Friday Night Dinner finally back when I saw.
Sorry, but you need a good bad guy in this thing, and Emily's the bad guy in this thing, and it's it's like the antagonist of the shell basically.
And even a bad guy like your entertainment.
That's what makes it so great. It's like that negative energy versus the positive energy and its sparks fly. It's just fantastic.
He's a little something.
She's so good.
Good.
Like the second I saw the Gilmour home the driveway, I was like, oh, we're back.
A little bit of an awkward scene at the top. I didn't think it landed. The jokes, the jokes were there, the writing was there, it was all kind of there, but it was off. It wasn't landing.
I don't know, it felt it felt long.
I think that like before before the little girl opened the door, we could have cut like a minute and a half from that banter.
It's funny you say that, you guys, because that was I thought we were I thought the episode was going to suck from that before the credits roll scene, because it was like weird banter or Bengal or Bengal or like it was just trying too hard and they were trying to sqush, like let's be really really funny right from the start and people will like us. It's kind of like how I felt, and I was like yeah.
Oh no, But once I got inside it started a rock and roll.
I don't have that many flags after that.
Oh no, there's some flags. There are flags. You're going to step around them. There's some flags.
So are people going to be tragically disappointed that Suzanne is not here to do this synopsis?
Oh? Whoa, I just got a text from her.
I'm going to hurry up and do the synopsis so that she doesn't take it away from me.
Trying to get me to stop you from doing it? What No, she says, don't let dan Scott. I'm in New York. Don't let Danielle do the thing I like being.
Okay, guys, this is season seven, episode three, the first Katilion. All right, I'm gonna finish it. It's air date October tenth, two thousand and six. Lorelai expects the worst from her parents when she finally tells them that she and Luke have split up. Michelle convinces Laura to attend Ktilion after Emily host an afternoon tea, and Paris convinces Rory to send scandalous texts to Logan. Meanwhile, Lane finally tells Zach she is pregnant.
Pretty great, that's a mic drop. Ooh, I'm gonna text Uzanne. Uh you should worry.
Yeah, your queendom may be going away.
The throne Maybe usurped Like I said.
I didn't hate it, and I really don't as a whole. Mm hmm, I don't hate.
It all right, let's go.
I also thought Lauren Graham looked so good in this entire episode. You know this is that she ever looked bad though, I mean no, but she was particularly cute.
This may be the dumbest and very very late revelation that I don't know how seven seasons later, I'm just finally like seeing you all have the most piercing blue eyes, the three of you, Luke, Loreli and Rory. I literally true. I don't know why this episode. I was just like everyone's eyes.
It was just weird.
It was so weird.
Well that, yeah, but I was was even this.
I was in one in the diner, a good scene actually with Rory, very good scene. I have a comment about that scene. And there's a moment in this episode that causes a lot of controversy that I will talk about when we get.
There amongst the people, maybe amongst us as well.
Maybe so she would just start going through it. We already kind of talked about. The open scene didn't totally work. Yeah, yeah, it was too long, it was too dense, it was not get on.
The horse and let's get the thing moving.
But when then when they give the drink quarters to the little girl, Oh my.
God, did everybody think, like, what is going on? Did they hire a maid that is eleven?
But I knew it was going to pay off and I knew it was gonna be something like that. But that first jokey joke from from Lauren or from what she said, is that legal.
Yeah, she was the best in that whole scene. Plus with the little girl being like, oh, your mother warned me you you were you know, you had a smart mouth or whatever.
It was right, But she was so sweet about it. She wasn't you know, she's cast perfectly. She was very keen.
Yeah. The only part was when Emily yielded her about the ice. I was like, oh Emily too.
That was but that that guarantees that Emily is the antagonist of this. Yeah, you know, and Taylor a little bit.
I guess are you taking us through what? Scott? Oh? I am pardon me? Let me.
I retired from that.
Well, you're so good at that about.
I retired from that?
When did you retire?
I retired last week? And you know, because your.
That was just a one time thing, because of your tooth.
This will be in perpetuity.
The people are not going to like this.
B s.
All right, so we come in.
They're gonna love.
It, They're not. They prefer I don't mind, I don't mind doing it.
No, you'll discuss it.
So we talked about the opening scene, which it seems like all of us are in agreement. It wasn't great, and I had concerns. Credits roll and I'm like, oh, but then we go off to the races. So this little girl opens the door. It turns out to be Charlotte, and we realized that Emily is kind of coaching up these little girls, specifically Emily for the Katillion Charlie, and we had great banter and the whole thing. So let's let's talk about let's talk about it. Well, all the way to dinner.
Emily would she would be running the Katillion joint like she This is so up her alley and I love seeing her back in this little royal pedestal that she sits on.
She always finds something to do, like she she finds like a new hobby and I love it in this world, like, oh, today I'm going to coach these fifteen girls.
Who did Katillion here you of course, but it was it wasn't like you guys didn't have Katillia.
I didn't even I thought it was just in like movies.
I didn't even know the thing.
No, we had it in either seventh or eighth grade. But it's much more casual than this. It's where you learn to dance, you learn to like dance with boys. And they still have it now in my town. And the big thing is that all the kids have a dinner together, so not like a fancy thing like they did in this, although not that different. All the kids before they go to the katillion they go to each week. It's like five weeks of Katillian and they go to like one house and that mom has prepared dinner, order tacos or whatever it is, and then they go off and they learn to dance and they have.
To would you say, weren't they eleven.
Eleven in this?
I think it was the right age. It's about seventh grade. I think you do. It's seventh grade probably like well thirteen, yeah, twelve thirteen?
Really when I have you guys seen the movie at Danielle You probably have. She's the Man with Amanda Bynes and then like she goes to Katilion. It always threw me off because I didn't know what it was. But they're like teenagers, they're like sixteen seventeen, so I didn't know it was a specific age.
So you didn't You didn't learn like about the forks and the.
No, that wasn't part of this arc. What Katillion was for us, it was learning to dance. So you learned like the box step and not the walls, but like some simple dances and then you yeah, and it was at the I think the dancing part was that you learned No but is that Bruce Springsteen? No? But then, uh, where did I have manners classes? I definitely had some sort of manners thing too, So this was sort of just combining.
That interesting And what do you remember about the manners class?
Oh? The bread always the bread that you never Okay, So here's your piece of bread, right, Yes, this is not toast. This is bread at a at a dignified thing. Never never take the butter and this never never never. So you take the butter off, the butter thing, you put it onto your plate. Then you break off your bite of bread.
And you did it.
No, you you butter each bite of bread. You don't butter like slather it off. It's funny you guys bring this up. So there's this place in San Francisco called Crown and Crumpet obviously the name Crumpet, and you can take manners classes there.
Never so my nieces, you could.
My nieces have the worst habit of this. You know, when you've got like something on your mouth and I'm like the whole backhand like sweatshirt. It's like no, but the the buttering of the bread and the forks, the forks tracked. You definitely would learn about the forks.
Did you know the internet is just learning about what a charger is what? Because of TikTok.
That's like a very well known thing. It's the decorative plate under the plate.
I didn't even know what it was called. And like this TikTok went viral because the.
Girl ate off the charger.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So.
Let me ask you this, uh etiquette expert Amy, Yeah, talk tout Okay. So once you let's say you have steak, you cut the steak. You have to put the knife down first, and then you switch hands, yes, correct, and eat with your.
Right hand right unless you're lefty, right, right, Okay, so you can't do none of the.
No no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't hold the knife.
And you know, I thought Emily said it very well because a lot of people mess us up and a lot of restaurants, you know, like you don't put your jam knife down on the tablecloth. Oh no, and then you just got a jam Remember jam hands. It brought me right back to remember when Luke didn't like jam hands. But so that was a good, good one. I'll try and think of more as we go, but right now we're just setting it up, and I thought I was so happy. I was like, oh, the banter's great. The little girl is sort of adding a flavor we needed. And then we get to the dinner and the whole reveal of Luke and I broke up and they're sort of like, I'm sorry.
They couldn't care less, and She's like, oh, mad, I didn't.
Think that they didn't care I just thought that Emily was waiting for that.
Yeah, she kind of probably knew it was coming from the house. Tears from the house.
Yeah, just oh, is that the last time we saw them? Yes, Wow, it's been a while.
Yeah, it's been a while.
You know what, they comes to my mind, and I'm gonna swear, damn it, George swear from Back to the Future. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't, if you're the Gilmours with Loralai, because if they caused a big ruckus, she'd be upset. Now they don't cause a big ruckus.
She's sort of upset, right She's she's asking for a normalized family interaction when that is anything but yeah, she's asking for warmth and support when she is so contentious most of the time, but for good reason. Still, there's that imbalance at the dinner table.
And I enjoyed the callback to Bangalore Bangalore. I just didn't enjoy it when with the setup, but that was funny and the little girl sitting there through all this, and the banter between the little girl and the Lorelie is like a ten out of ten.
I also did like how the scene just ended after you said Bangalore, like it went with exactly what was supposed to happen. It's just like, all right, well, conversation's done.
So I actually wanted more at the dinner table. I went less at the front door and more at the dinner time.
Yeah, I mean I just laughed at that part because I'm like, oh they really they could call back work, had.
A lot more banter with the little girl, Charlotte, the whole thing.
Yeah, that was all great.
So then we go back to lore Lies and first we're getting the awkward logan calls while Rory's sleeping.
Okay, which this is my first flag, Like he knows it's two am. He's acting like she's been up and out and about.
It's also the math. Oh no there on the.
East the East coast is eleven something. It said it on her alarm clock.
Yeah, so it's eleven.
I totally yeah, it's a twelve. Jackie pulled it up on.
But that would be four am in London. Nothing's tracking.
Hold on, there was an alarm clock with the time on it, because I weirdly was seeing if the alarm clock changed for like continuity things.
I was, I don't know why, I just put to.
See if the minutes rolled by.
Ye, and two minutes rolled by.
I wrote down two o'clock. But I also watched this really late last night. Maybe I just made up two am.
But the math doesn't work though if it was eleven in.
The I was thinking, here, I forgot they're on the East coast. I was thinking, it's.
Still if it's only eleven on the East coast, it's only five hours later in London.
Right, they're eight hours ahead from us, so it would have been ten.
Oh here, here we go, here we go. No, Okay. On Rory's alarm clock, it's stand by.
If it's eight hours from us, then it's five five.
So it's like he's at work at two am or something. This doesn't make sense, or five am, but.
I think it's more than five hours to Okay.
Alexa, no time is it in London? So it's ten.
It's I'm going to refer to the world eight hours later from.
It's okay, so it's it's it is eight hours.
It doesn't.
So that's right. That's what makes sense. It makes sense. It's two am on the East coast, seven am in London. It's correct.
But my but my point was why is he calling her at two am? Like he acted like, oh you're asleep.
Oh great point, but I don't know, maybe he forgot.
That was my call out was like the way he calls and he's talking to her is like, oh, well, don't you expect my call at two am? Like it just feels weird, and also seven am you probably just got to work.
Like here's how maybe it can be justified. Maybe he's used to her always being up late studying maybe yeah.
And they have to be summer, the time has to work. But that is just getting to work.
So it doesn't work because it's summer.
So it's okay to call her at two am because it's summer and she doesn't have to get up and study, right.
Because guys, think about it, it's worse if it's ten am in London, then it's really the middle of the night, right.
And it shows how much he misses.
For the record, the second phone call at the end of this episode, it's eleven forty seven.
Yeah, not this one.
Oh yeah, got it, Yeah, got it, got it. Okay, we'll get into the math later because there's a bigger math veil in this way.
I tell you, Thank God, we don't run a golf tour, all right.
So then Rory gets up and she talks lorealies. Got the pop tart situation going? Do I even like pop tarts? She's eaten all the pop tarts?
Now, I thought that was a very very insightful, uh sort of section of this show. It's she's examining from a psychological standpoint. She's sort of analyzing herself. I like the pop tarts pop tarts, and I thought that's kind of clever.
It makes sense, like she's like if my mom would have handed me a pop tart. Like it's almost like we don't know if she likes pop tarts or not, because if Emily gave it to her she would have hated it. The friends giving it to her she loves it. I don't know what she likes pop tarts.
But then I think, really the the uncomfortable part was I think the pop tart was Luke. Do I really love Luke?
Oh wow?
Yeah? Whoa?
Who am I? Right?
Like?
Who am I?
Like she's questioning all of her choices.
She doesn't know right who she is.
She doesn't even know subconsciously, like maybe she just did it despite Emily and took the guy with the hat.
Oh wow, maybe I am not as smart as you. But I did think it was a very good scene. I was very into the way they thank you, the way they did that. I did get it. I was like, wow, she really is sort of questioning who.
She is, and then it was an interesting moment of reflection and I thought, very well done.
Yes, yeah, so far, I'm like this is going great. And even Rory's awkward call with Logan and how she explained it, like I can't remember she explained it to Lorelai or Lane later, but there's all the weird pauses and it's so awkward, and it was like, eh, you know, they're like, how is it in? And we'll get to how great I thought Paris was in this episode, but not time. So next we're at Luke's diner. It's the grand reopening, and first of all, I did think that the shot was different.
Yeah, the shot was the.
Way they shot that scene that was not an angle. I think I'd ever see different.
It was, you know what it was amy It looked like it was right directly behind the counter instead of at an angle like we saw from Luke's perspective.
I almost felt like the camera was like placed in the diner because I could see so much.
They were favoring Sally Struthers and this Torres. They wanted to get those two on camera.
But I could see like all the people walking. They was so like I could see the whole diner.
But I do agree, like the windows did look different, like, you know, like they really did.
That was my takeaway was the shot was so different that I'm.
Like, all, all wonderful crew making it slightly different, you know.
Yeah, yeah, that whole thing was good. It was a it was a nice, funny sort of moment for be Bet and Patty to keep talking about what was going on. Then Rory comes in hint of awkwardness but yet still good. Yeah, kind of pushing through the awkwardness.
And then late like the shout we're missing one thing that's very different this scene.
New hat.
Yeah, new hat.
Oh my god, it was so down too far.
I was down way too far. And you know it's one of those like baseball hats that when you.
Have like the opening like usually like for a pony, like for a girl's pony tip.
Oh yeah, like that. It didn't have a snapback.
It was like this, I couldn't even see Scott's face. I'm like, get rid of that great call out. All in all, good scene, maybe not as good as the two before, but but good scene. And that was sort of that's where your big moment was there, Scott you did not get a lot of action in this episode, but that's all right. All I can think of is Scott's getting paid and he only had to do a half day's work. Darn, It's so funny. It's so true that, like, because we do work with a few actors, and I do think sometimes they get excited, like, hey, I don't have to go tomorrow.
They're filming. I'm not.
So we go to the Dragonfly and I thought this was kind of clever too. Lorli had her hair different.
I had two flags in this scene.
And the first one, oh, you rewarded yourself. You did.
My first flag is that larelais had this hairdo in the episode in the show and it's literally in season one and as the credit when she kisses Rory on the forehead.
Oh, but I thought this was slightly different, but I'll give you that the one where it's like.
Yeah, yeah, so that's it's like they all acted like she's never had her hair up. My second flag is Suki literally made at when they did the catering company. She made a whole table of food that was not for kids, but acted like right, oh my god, like the Pep and J's that's the only thing kids eat.
And I'm like, now she has a kid, but maybe she has a kid.
But it just sounds like I would eat those Peep and Jay sanwiches. They were they weren't just like a Peep and Jay sandwich. They were like their tea, a little circle, huge.
And I guess it was more the way that Emily said it to her, like.
Like I wanted.
I wanted something like, oh my god, I have kids now, you know what I mean? Like I feel like I needed.
But I think she learned her lesson at the birthday party, and.
That Emily came down so hard on her. There's she was probably shocked her and there's really no way to come back.
It was aggressively mean to I mean, gosh, that was aggressive to Suki. It was like, dude, and they the cuts have like the little jelly popping up.
It was so cute.
It was so well done.
I'm not at a cucumber sandwich zone. I did think the spinach and the teeth thing was very funny because if you have braces, you're like yeah yeah.
And Michelle was so Michelle was so good this episode. He was I like, I need I needed him back. To and I feel like they finally gave him a good episode.
I totally agree, and I like circus food. Okay. Then this is what also nailed the episode for me is we go to Yale to the newsroom, and Paris was Paris, but she wasn't annoying. She was actually hilarious calling out the little boy. That was fully like googoo gaga over Rory. Like the whole thing was so funny. So you see the tutors doing their thing, and then you just see Paris criticizing all of them. It was so funny. And then she's all, I have five minutes. We can be friends for five minutes, and this is where the sexting starts. The whole thing was so funny and she's and Rory's like, can you not do that? While I'm like talking to you? I mean, it was so it was a yes, I.
Wish they revealed like.
What was it?
Yeah?
What was said? You know, like h.
Family show wonder It's so funny.
When I was watching it, I was like, like, I forget that it's two thousand and six, And so for me, I was like, does she not know what sexing is? But I guess at that time, like sexing was just starting.
And they had their sidekicks to say that there was heavy product placement of the sidekick.
That was mobile just right there.
Yeah, all I know is I imagine Paris and Doyle being filthy on the sexting.
I feel show.
Yeah, sure is dipping her toe in a little bit more and Logan is upping the ante. But we'll get to that. So then this is the only scene that I didn't didn't It's not that I didn't love it. I didn't love love it. So we get to the apartment and Zach and Brian are talking about sort of how he thinks he's getting divorced, right, He's like it's over, and then she comes in and needs to talk and tells him she's pregnant. It was fine, It was fine.
I don't like anything about it. I honestly, the whole Lane Lane storyline is really really dragging me down this season.
Like it's just over, you know, it's like everything's just so what can I say?
I wanted Laane to like enjoy being in newlywed and like, as where does this sounds like enjoy having sex and enjoy like she's not you know, like enjoy her.
Own.
She's still with living with her with Brian, you know, like I wanted them to have their own.
Like be a little wild. But can we talk about the biggest flag in the entire episode? The honeymoon was three weeks ago. He says that, Yeah, there is no way she knows she's pregnant. No way, the honeymoon was three weeks ago.
She hasn't even gone to the doctor yet. She just did a test.
Dude, she hasn't even missed her period. She's not like that. The math is so and this is gonna sound so mean, but can you guys tell me who wrote this episode? Was a man? A man that doesn't know what I'm saying?
I mean, technically, but not I don't think.
Wait, Amy, it's a woman who wrote the episode.
Well then how does she not know this because that was strange.
Technically you can find out before you miss your period three weeks I mean that would be before you miss your period.
No, but can you find out? So basically, she's three weeks she had sex and it's been three weeks. Does a pregnancy test work?
Then it can work like a week before your missed period. So technically, yes, yes, it's dice, but technically, yes, that is not the normal. That's not the normal.
And yeah, so that was a little hanky.
I may say, just felt like they're trying to speak. It's like they're dragging on Lane story line but speeding it up at the same time. Do you know what I mean, Like, let's just give her like so many scenes that we kind of don't want to see. But also suddenly she's pregnant.
Yeah.
Did somebody go like, what are we going to do with Lane? Aha, let's make her pregnant.
It would be different if they like if she I don't know. I think for me, it would be different if she went on her honeymoon she had sex with the first time. She liked it and she was excited about being with Zach. But it's just like it was had sex with this first time on the beach. It was the worst thing ever. I never want to have sex again. That was a weird honeymoon. YadA, YadA, YadA to Oh and by the way, I'm pregnant.
I don't know.
I just don't feel like they're serving I actually need justice in this.
I actually wouldn't hate if the sex was bad all that and then like they come back and they're like, maybe we should like try again and like those kind of conversations. Yeah, like I think that would be better than just like all right, well now we really don't ever have to have sex again, because.
I get I think they had sex at the end of the episode when they finally hugged, well, they kind.
Of start and they were like really trying to make Lane look pregnant. Yeah, three, shirt was lifting and wait, not for a bump.
I didn't notice that. I didn't you noticing me?
Like they literally like her her shirt her pants were so low that her shirt was high and it tried to they tried to show a bump.
Were you sure it wasn't.
Just like, no, they've never showed her skin like that, Like.
Can Jackie find that while we continue so that when.
We to what, Yeah, yeah, they showed her skin and it did look like there was a bump.
They've never done that ever.
They I don't think Lane Lane's has showed anything but arms exactly.
I need to see that. So we go to the Dragonfly for a scene that I love because the girls are coming in for their tea. Michelle is having the time of his life. The one girl that's just like the back you know, the sneakers girl later that's shoving food in her mouth and wall and like, I love that girl and I know a.
Little with the shoes. She's so cute.
The whole thing was so cute and Michelle is just like, you must take me and we have the sticky note, I owe you, you know whatever. That whole everything about it was so good. And setting up that they're going to the Katillion.
I think Michelle, if he could would be like would be in the like it would go through Is it going through a kittilion? What's the correct burbon?
I just except going to kotillion, like he would.
Go to Kotilion, or like Ailian, like he would be one of the one the girl, oh my god, it's.
So cute, like he gets her to dance this the whole he took paul Anka all of it. It was very clever and with the girls in the background. I could have watched those girls for so much longer, just all their funny stuff and Emily telling him about the forks and that's where we learn you don't put the knife down on the somewhat fine linen, but much more fancy linen for the it was great.
I agree. I loved everything about the Katilion.
Then the scene that I really did not care for. We're back at the apartment and it's like Zuck keeps forgetting that they're pregnant, Like it's.
Like he's like seeing her to drink a beer and ending.
I mean, it was so dumb. That was just so dumb dumb. Then we go to the library and I enjoyed this scene quite a bit. Lane's reading what to Expect when You're Expecting and all the books and she's losing her mind and Rory's trying to read from books how to sext and the whole thing. That was a cute scene and Lane was Lane.
Was Rory too, like going to books again and like trying to read up on it or well it.
Is so Rory, right, like of course she's gonna copy out of a book her first sext and then Christopher calls to go to dinner. It was all good.
I think the one the one thing for me is like and maybe for going back to the Lane storyline is like she just sects so immature. I'm like, at this point they're probably what twenty one, twenty two, twenty one, Yeah, like it just for me, I'm like, you're not sixteen, Lane, Like, I don't know, but that's.
The I agree with you, except for in this scene I thought she seemed twenty one where she was sort of telling Rory no sex, do it like she was much more sassy Lane, And so I don't.
Know, you know what, I'm just I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I don't think that's the show And I think that was a mistake.
Talk to me. I had a feeling you would feel this way.
It just is it's not within the parameter of what has already been set up that's appropriate for the show. I don't think you think. I don't think the audience appreciated. I think a large part of the audience didn't appreciate the sexting, the lay stuff, with how horrible the marriage is and how out of touch they are. And I don't think a lot of what we saw here in this episode, now that I think about it a little bit reflected the values of the show or the values that the show has always represented to this fan base.
I had a feeling you might feel this way because basically what it did, in my opinion is the show is very PG and this took it to PG thirteen. I personally liked it. I was ready for it. I enjoyed that last scene with But I'll be interested to see what other fans think because I think there will be people who agree with you.
Right.
Yeah, I'm a little indifferent because, like I didn't mind it. Like I've seen shows obviously that have talked about sex way more, but I think for this show, it just came kind of out of left field right off the bat in the first three episodes of season seven, like maybe if you sprinkled it in sure, but now this is three up? Is it two or three three episodes of like sex talk, and so I think for having six seasons of like the only time sex being mentioned is like Lorelei sleeping with someone.
Because Rory lost her virginity. On this show, you guys do a married man. They've definitely gone there.
But it wasn't to detail of like how it was where they talked about it so much. I think, like they mentioned it with Dean, but I think this is just like now repetitive where it feels.
A little forced.
It feels forced. I would say the Dean storyline totally like made sense, right, Like.
Not that it's a coming of age.
Yes, it's a coming You're right, it's a coming of age story. But I do agree with you. The sex scene storyline and Lane getting pregnant is just feels so jammed down, like our throats. I don't know how to explain it.
It's like so.
Forced and not in line of what I think they would do as characters.
Oh, I liked it. I you know what, I think Rory needs to be sexting. I'm gonna say it, like she needs to be a little more like that. And I liked that Lane was encouraging her. And Paris of course would be the one to think of it.
Yeah, I kind of. I don't know if I would have. I don't know what this means, but like I feel like I would have maybe liked it a little bit more coming from Logan first and Rory being like, WHOA what is this?
But that could respond. I think Rory had to go first because she is Rory, right, and Logan knows who she's he's dating. If he went first, it could be interpreted as like, h cringe this guy. But because she started it and then he was fully in m hmm, I'm not mad at it, but I respect see people. I respect another opinion, but I knew Scott wouldn't like it, because Scott.
No, it's you have to understand the medium you're working in. You have to understand the show, right. You risk alienating an audience by going outside of that, you know. And it's like, this business is all about staying in your lane, and once you established that you've dominated a lane, you stay there. I don't I think it was risky and I didn't think it didn't work for me personally as a fan of the show. Some people think it's okay, it's fine. You know, we can disagree. It just did not seem it didn't fit in the show for me.
Yeah, no, I'll give you that. It's a little something something.
You know, it's not wholesome. This is a wholesome show that takes risks in They're already taking big risks with the with the Emily and Richard storyline, with you know that that broken family, but the focus is this family. Getting into the details of how horrible the sex was on the beach and I hate sex and I never want to do sex again, and even saying the word sex, sex, sex on the beach with Zach was awful. It was terrible. There's crabs. Oh, nobody wants to hear this?
I do, I don't.
I didn't think it was funny, not from.
Them, not from that. I liked this.
That part I didn't like, but I did. I'm into the sexting thing. I thought the scene with Paris was hilarious. I thought it was hilarious that she was sexting with Doyle. I thought the comedy was funny with Rory being grossed out, and that Rory's copying it out of a book. I don't mind. The pregnancy storyline is not great. The other one I'm okay with. I don't mind it. All right, we'll continue, we can agree to disagree and see where it takes us.
Okay, So then now, right now, Arthur Godfrey somewhere is turning over and great.
We go back to Laura's house where she's picking out her Katillion outfit, which I thought actually was funny when she tried on that outfit that wasn't great AND's like and Rory reveals that she's going to go to dinner with Christopher, and she sort of says, we're not not talking, and we kind of get that and then she's doing hashtag relatable what every girl does.
Ask you, Amy, I have a question for here. Why is your Why is your boyfriend always popping up in these episodes now making random phone calls to Rory and Laurela.
Thank you for asking talking about Christopher because my first boyfriend is Logan Christopher. My second boyfriend is Christopher. And here's the thing. I've had some cringe with Ickstaffer, but now I'm kinda back with him. I'm okay with him in this episode.
Oh no, not me.
Well, we're gonna definitely agree to disagree because I sort of was enjoying him, so okay, there was something. Oh yes, Rory is doing what every girl does, which is send a text and then completely stress over it your phone. Make a friend text you to make sure your phone is working. I mean the whole thing.
I was like, read check to see if it went through.
Yeah, can you send me a text so that I.
Know that you got that last one? Yeah?
Oh I'm getting a text like it's so good.
That's still relatable.
Yeah, totally. It really made the episode.
Except now it's is it blue? Did it go?
Oh?
Yeah, you're like, why.
Am I green? Why did I go green. Okay, So then we go back to Lane's apartment. They're having their bagel bites, and this is where they finally talk after like, well, Brian's feel.
Did we talk about the part where Zach just is like I think it was this scene or maybe it was another scene where she's like, oh, I should be drinking milk and he's like, I'm having cravings too, or you know that, like weird.
Was I think the scene before that was.
I thought all these scenes were forced.
This one was the like, well, this finds freaking out. She's like, well, I'm freaking out.
This is where they show them.
Can someone show me this? Yeah?
And then they say this baby totally sucks that.
Yeah, somebody showed me this bomb.
It's just not Gilmore girls, how do you say that she doesn't want to be in the delivery room and.
He doesn't want to cut the tube?
Bab you know this. These are the best moments of a father's life. I went through all of those moments and hours twenty one. How old you are, man, that's your kid, and it's a beautiful moment, and I just think that.
I think it's also ze they're freaking out right now. Because they're twenty one, they've been married for a day.
It's character destruction.
He also their characters interesting.
That's an interesting Does.
He have a job, clearly not if he's in a band. He's drinking beer and playing video games as an expectant father, which I guess somebody has. How old is he supposed to be in this anyway?
Isn't he about her age a little bit older?
How old is that?
Twenty two, twenty three? Gil is obviously older.
What's Gil got to do with this?
Well, I'm just saying in the band, they're like in the band, I think the three of them are all about the same age. And then he's I'm not looping him in. He's obviously older.
Sent the Let me look, you know, this episode keeps going off the rails, and you know it gets back on from time to time.
You've got I think that her shirt just went up.
No, this is not here that.
It did go up, But I just think it's I don't know, right, I maybe I agree. I don't know if they were intentionally trying to show a bump. I just think during the hug and it was so passionate that her shirt went up a little bit and revealed her stomach.
But like my thought process was like they they would have fixed that or redone the scene, right if they didn't want her skin showing.
Yeah, look at the video I just sat. It's a little bit clearer there.
I just think she's a day pregnant. Okay, hold on watching.
Yeah that'stically.
Yeah, but we're saying like they made her wear something like I don't know, they did stomach.
They liked that shot, like for I don't know, I don't know.
I think maybe I don't know, Danielle, when did you start showing with your first baby?
You don't show to like four months?
You know.
Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say, is like, I think.
Our shirt just went up.
I think our shirt just went up. I don't think we should make a thing about this too, because it's not correct. That's what I love, trying to show a bump, right.
That's what I look like if my shirt goes.
I totally disagree. I think when they were shooting this, they liked that. They liked that that her her shirt went up and we saw her stomach because we never have seen Lane's stomach before this.
Yeah, Oh God, For some ofthing that just took me back to when she was like petting that guy's hair, like episode two Good Old Days. We go now to the Ketillion and Michelle is living his best life. He is so stoked he got Loralai a ginormous cassage. She's all mad she didn't get him a boot near. I mean, it is so good. She sees the Caroline girl who's sort of the mini Loreli wearing the converse, and they wave and Charlotte is introducing her to the grandparents and they're all so very polite, and Michelle gets sort of dance and she's having a good time. I mean, that was really cute. There are moments where she doesn't hate the world she's from. She just gives it a try.
And she was so cute with Charlotte, who was talking about the dance, and like, you know, maybe it made me think of I kind of wish that we got more scenes of her with April.
Interesting.
Interesting, you know, honestly, I felt that even this stuff was forced as well. You know, Michelle debanding to go to the Cotillion. I mean, it's quite quite odd, you know, I liked it.
Yeah, that didn't bother me that, like something Michelle would do.
Because he's so like fancy pants and it is like he's with his people. Finally, yeah, he's found his group of peeps.
I liked all that. I liked it for some reason. I was very drawn to the Charlotte character. I could have had many episodes with her.
I was drawn to Lorelei's character in the Kilian group, like I would have loved to hear them have more of an interaction because for the most part, it was just like Loreal's like, I got eyes on you, I know who you are, I get you, I understand you. But they didn't really have, you know, a.
Scene, and she was so cute. Okay, so then we get back to that. We're back at the kitchen at the Gilmours and Chris, Christopher, and Rory are splitting up the food and feeding paul Anka some key lime pie. I even thought the brownie line was funny. He's like, you ordered a brownie, right, but like only one. I thought that they had a cue banter. And then Christopher and Lorlyi are sort of have their awkward moment and she offers him coffee and then he really just spills his gut, which I get what.
He's all in. It's his version of being all in.
Gosh, so I don't know what else he was supposed to do. It's like it was a little over the top. But at the same time, I'm like, okay, respect.
Yeah, I mean an honest moment, right, Yeah, you know he's we don't want him there in the first place. But he stood there and face the music and said, you know, unpacked his feelings. And I thought he did it in an exemplary way. He was honest, and he left.
Let me ask you this and then I'll tell you the thing that everybody asks about this scene. So you're Christopher, right, And I know a lot of people are mad at Christopher that he slept with Laura Lai right, Like, they're so mad about it. They're like, why would he do that? He should have been her friend, he should have been there for her. But if we are to take it at face value that he loves her and he's so in love with her, she's the one for him and he's finally realized that and she knocks at his door, I would I don't think very many quote friends in that position would say no.
I don't think Christopher's in the wrong with that. I do think Laurel is the one that's wrong for going there, and I like he's just he's taking her lead. You know, she's the one that's leading this relationship. Really, she's the one that's sparking a fire back into it and he's following it.
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't know if Scott and Tarr have a different take on it.
No, I agree because she kind of opened the door for that to happen, Like I don't. He wasn't going to stumble into her house like he knows that she's engaged. But I get what you're saying, like if that, if she came in his door, so he took it.
Even if you have episodes ago when she was super drunk at the wedding, he slept on the chair, you know, like he.
Is a right, that's a great point. He was a good guy. He's not taking advantage of her, No, just following her lead. But he's definitely we knew at the.
Wedding, stop parasite. He turns up when.
I don't know. I know you, I get why you don't like him, But at the same time, I'm not sure he's so.
We're not supposed to like him.
Well, Scott, I understand what you mean when like he just shows up, but this time it actually really was Laurel opening the door and then Rory calling or sorry Rory saying like, yeah, let's go to dinner. So like he did get the invite.
He is a parasite, Like, yeah, for sure, he is a parasite, but he's not to blame in my opinion.
You know, Laurel.
Did remind me if Laurel I set because all of this spills onto Rory as well, right as well? Right, so lare behavior. You know, it's crucial here to set up these boundaries. And maybe she's just not very good.
It never does that, like not to dog lor Lie, but the minute you date.
No, I'm not trying to do that, but I'm asking a question.
No, No, I'm the one doing the dogging. I'm dogging her, right because if you the minute you date your kids teacher, you don't have boundaries.
Right, There's there's no boundaries here. So like all of this wackiness and all of this chaos and hurt and pain is possible because you've got a seemingly responsible adult who is a great mother, right, a great person, a great mother. But you know there's no boundaries to these, That's right. People just keep kind of walking and she's you know, she's so attractive and she's so wonderful. How people can't resist, right, and this is what we're supposed to believe, and we do that.
Forgot about Digger too, Like you know, she.
Has to dat your dad's business arch or he does it, and she has no boundaries for Richard and Emily or Rory. Now I have a question based on something Scott said, we're not supposed to like Christopher. I disagree. I think we're supposed to like him a little bit.
I think we're supposed to understand him. I don't think we're supposed to like him. I think we're supposed to understand him.
Because I don't think he's seven is a desperate attempt to try to rehabilitate a character that's not rehabilitate to.
Bold, I don't. I think throughout the course.
Of the SERI it's such an awkward season.
I don't know. I'm saying you may be right, but I'm just saying, throughout the course of the season, I don't think Christopher is the villain. I think we're supposed to like him a little bit because I actually felt for her before when they were kind of hooking up again, and then then he finds out that Sherry's pregnant and he goes back to Sherry. That was painful. And we wouldn't have pain like that if we were supposed to hate him, we'd be like, praise the Lord, get rid of this loser. No, we're drawn. I can only speak for myself. I'm a little bit drawn to Christopher. I don't hate him. I do there's things about him I like, and I'm intrigued. If he was the villain, I'd be like, he sucks, Like I'm trying to think of a villain Lex Luthor. I hate Lex Luthor, Like guy sucks.
I think having a show also, I get what you're saying, Amy, I think the show also may have like changed him a little when like suddenly he got all this money and he wanted to be Rory's dad and so like it makes the audience want to care for him because now he can support his daughter. And I'm not saying that's how it should be in any situation, in every situation, but I think for Chris Christopher, like that was kind of of his redemption.
Take care of Rory.
Okay, so these two Laurelin and Christopher are not speaking right now. Correct, they're not hang on, hang on right, I know, right, I got that, but they're not right now. They're not talking. They're not speaking.
Well, she just didn't return his phone call.
Okay, So Rory has an automobile, correct, Yeah, so he forces he makes a phone call and if I'll come pick you up and then i'll drop you off and I'll be around and I'll hang around. This is the parasitic nature of this character.
That's her dad.
Yeah, I don't think a dad is ever gonna say, hey, twenty year old drive across.
She told him not to get his hopes up after the first after they slept together, right. She tried to correct her mistake with him, like, please respect my wishes. This isn't going any farther her, you know. And here he is making it's fine to go have dinner with your daughter, but at least respect laurelized space.
Right, that's a good point.
It's like, yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to f up your relationship with your mom, and I don't want to f up your world because I came picked you up, and you know, I'm trying to create a situation where I'm going to run into Laurel I because I love her so much, because I can't control myself because I have no boaler. It's like two people that then a boundary.
I did think of that. I actually did think of that.
He also didn't have to come in, like he could have dropped her.
Off, he thought, and then just driven home.
And actually thought the coming in was the boundary cross not the picking up, because think about how many divorced parents they picked their kids up. They wait outside, or they they knock on the door, and the other person invites them in whatever, into the kitchen. Unless Rory was like, no, dad, come in. We don't know.
Yeah, yeah, I think it was all fine until he came into the kitchen. Like everything else about them going to dinner together, I didn't mind.
It's not acting like adults.
Okay, so we've got two more super important things. The sexting begins. I know how I feel. How do you all feel?
I'm not going to I don't know how to answer this. It's like it's not it's a different show. All of a sudden it's euphoria.
I thought. The one thing that was kind of dumb is that she responded, but she never saw it because she's been checking that phone like crazy.
Well went into some weird secret envelope or something. I don't remember how the side gets.
I don't remember.
Yeah, maybe it's because of the time. I don't remember how it worked. But I weirdly didn't hate it at all.
I like Logan sexting, like, you know what, I go for it, Logan, you do you like? I think? I think it's it feels right coming from Logan.
That's why, especially his reaction, what this feels like.
This feels like a spin off show.
I would have love that spin off.
This feels like a spin off show starring where like Laurel, I and Luca, the supporting characters, Lane and Rory are the main characters. So we're kind of what you're saying. It just doesn't even feel like Gilmore Girls anymore.
I I respectfully disagree. This episode felt pretty good to me, and I like, I think it's maybe because I crush on Logan so hard. When she calls him and was like, did you get my text? And he's like, yeah, I got your I was so in. I was like, oh, I got I got our text.
He's also just giving Rory what every girl wants.
You know.
No, that was a good text, you know, and you know he crushed it, freaking Logan crushed.
I agree, and he wrote back something. He leveled it up like it was like poker, I'll see your whatever, and I raise you. And obviously I thought it was exactly cute when she's like, I can't do it while I'm on the phone with you. The whole thing was cute.
I liked it, and the banter between them with the sex thing was I liked it. I liked it more than the conversation with Laine about it.
And then we go upstairs for the either gut punch.
Or gut punch.
For me, it was a sorry, sorry y'all. So, Scott, how do you feel that Laura Lai called Christopher and don't let me forget to say the thing that everyone comments on, don't let me forget.
It's just at this point it's just a hack show. It's not it's not it's just melodrama, you know, It's it's so off the rails it's hard to follow it. Now you know, you know, I'm I'm entertained by some of the scenes. Some of it feels like the old show, but most of it doesn't.
You know.
What's annoying is that every episode in season seven so far, and granted I know there's only three, but has ended with Lorelei seeking Christopher. Yeah, you know, it's like, haven'm be together on an even episode two?
Didn episode two end?
You know what I think it's. I think it's the unwillingness of the How do I say this without sounding like a complete tool, sounding like a well, it wasn't it hasn't been a problem so far from now.
I want to hear.
Well, I guess you know, when you destroy a character, it's like who cares what anybody does?
Now?
I mean, Luke and Laurel I were such a big part of that show, and now Luke's being treated like, you know, just just this sort of like supporting character, and now it doesn't really matter, and now we can explore this Christopher thing. And I just think that that's where the mistake was made, right.
Yeah, they kind of put him on like the back burner, Like suddenly Christopher is getting more scenes than Luke.
Yeah, and he and he didn't earn him. Yeah, and then there's there's there's no justification for it, there's no logic to it, there's no but I mean, it is the nature of life. Sometimes things happen out of the blue and they're you know, they're shocking, and it's just maybe they could have handled it, they've done it a little in a little more artful way, I guess. I don't know. And also it just feels so ham handed and a character just sort of discarded, you know, I think. And that's why I think it was so disappointing for the fans, because nobody's really acting like themselves anymore. It's hard to recognize the show. So anyway, there you go.
So okay, I don't let that sink in. I I don't disagree or agree. I'm sort of like, there definitely are things about season seven where you're like, what's going on? But then there's also things where are like, yeah, gilmore girls. So I'm sort of in the middle.
I don't know if there is if you if you have a successful relationship and a show the deep the taps so deeply in to the fantasy life of a dedicated, religiously dedicated fan base. I don't know how you mess with that. I thought that that's a mistake.
Well, I don't know that. They know how to not mess with it.
If you look at look, if you look at Luke Laurelai as public service. Okay, let's just look at it like this has been offered to the world. This makes people feel good, This heals people. And I only sound too nutty about it. No, no, but fans worship this relationship. This is this is relationship goals. You know, to find a guy like Luke to be a woman like laurel I to be together in a new relationship that's that full and that passionate and that fraught with yes, anxiety that it's going to break up somehow. I mean, it's really on tender hooks but a lot of the time. But that's kind of the beauty of it. That's the magic of it. The sparks are flying all of the time, and you idealize something so much for six seasons. That's a big chunk of people's lives.
No, that's true, that's true.
Cross it away, huge misstep. Sorry, that's my two cents. I'm gonna shut up now.
No, no, never shut up. There is a moment in the kitchen that many people are conflicted about, which I did listen to seven times. So there are many people that think. Christopher says Lauren that he calls her Lauren, and if we replay the scene, you'll see it. He actually upon really listening, he's saying lore And did anybody notice?
Oh?
No, I didn't. But should we should we?
Yeah? Can't it? Well it? Let us watch it.
I can. I can pull it up and then I'll put this sound on my computer.
Okay, good if you really listen in it's lore and it was so right Lauren.
You may not see that.
Let now, but I do.
Know Lauren, one thinks, he says Lauren.
He definitely says Lauren.
No, he says, but it was so right. Do it again.
You do it again.
It was so right, Lauren.
You may not see that right now, but or and you may not see that right now, I can see it.
The English subtitles say too.
So what do you guys give it?
I give it eight out of ten. Peb and Jay Sandwiches, I.
Give it six point eight.
Pop Tarts, I'm giving it nine. I owe you from Lorli stickies. M.
That's cute.
That's cute.
I mean, listen, I got a couple of chuckles out of it. I appreciate that. So, but I do not like witnessing characters being taken behind the shed and shot in the back of the head, as it were. And that's what we're witnessing here with two of the most iconic, delightful characters. And so I'm going to give it half a point. Oh my god, not even no, not a full point. No, no way, I can't. I can't support this level of destruction.
It's just did you feel this way when you were doing it?
You weren't even on set for this episode, right, I think I was just happy that I wasn't there, you know, to be around this.
Were the Were the vibes on set different in this season?
Yeah? Yeah, they were, they were. It was. Look, it's always good to have a job that long. Yeah, it's just so rare, and so I think everybody I was pleased that I had a job. But I I don't know. Maybe it just what I'm witnessing here. Maybe maybe it was a good idea once Amy and Dan left the show, that everybody sort of packed up and left with him. You know, maybe the legacy of the show would have been a little more respected, you know, I think.
It definitely is well respected.
No, no, I didn't say that it wasn't. I said more respected versus I think once. I think once the original creators exit, then it should be done. It's something like this, it cannot be replicated. And I remember thinking during this episode that I almost regretted being involved in the seventh season. But it's, you know, it's difficult to walk away. Actually it's you can't walk away from the job. But it's like, you know, this show is just being destroyed before our eyes, and it's something that means the world to so many people. And now I understand what they say. They can't they just skip season seven, they don't watch it when they rewatch it, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I'm trying.
I'm really trying to be positive about this. Don't get me wrong. I'm really trying. And there was some good things in this and there's some good writing, and it just shows how hard it is to replicate something so unique coming from you know what. You have to admit with Amy and Dan are two geniuses, right are at the top of the business, the top of their craft.
And this does happen to shows a showrunner leaves and the show the bucket that does happen. You're not This isn't the only thing. I won't go as far as to say that's happening.
And great writers all on this show season seven, in their own right, could have gone on to write incredibly original, fantastic, award winning shows, super talented people. But to ask somebody to like, hey, you want to replace Brando on Broadway and Streetcar named Desire and try to do what he did, go ahead, have fun, not gonna happen. You're just gonna you just go.
Yeah. It's it's different because like a good example I have is like I've I mean, we love you, buddy, Like greas Anatomy just renewed for season twenty one and Shonda Rhyme's left I don't even know how many seasons ago, and like, as someone who's watched the whole time, I definitely notice a shift, but then it would always come back. And it's funny because I still love the show and Amy, I know you watch too, But there's something so different about Gilmore where it makes me wonder if they got a season eight maybe like they needed to work out the kinks like without Amy and Dan in season seven? Do you know what I mean? And maybe there's.
No there's no way to do that. How you're going to work out the kinks? What do you mean?
I don't know.
I don't know without without those two brains.
Well, what Tur's point was is there are shows that replace a show runner like Shonda Rhimes and you don't miss a beat.
Yeah, but where have you ever seen a show like this like Gilmore Walking Dead?
Did it?
That? Is this unique?
Well?
That's not a dialogue heavy show, is it.
I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying Walking Dead lost their show runner, and I thought the show was as good Aaron Sorkin left West Wing and I thought.
Really show? Really they bring in Nagan destroys the show. What are you talking about? You felt that was a good idea?
Yeah, it's all part of the comic book. We don't need a debate Walking Dead because Nigan's in the comic books. But what I'm saying is Aaron Sorkin left West Wing and it did continue to be an amazing show. I'm not saying. Look, I don't hate season seven, but I do think Tara's point is taken that Gray's Anatomy lost their amy Sherman Palladino, who is Shonda Rhymes, and the show is still amazing. So maybe, look, I'm not saying anything, but maybe there was a showrunner that could have taken over. I think the problem was it all happened unexpectedly, where Shonda Rhimes maybe worked with someone for multiple years to coach them up. I don't know, I'm talking out of school.
I'm just saying Walking Dead maybe a comic book, and they stayed true to it with Nigan, but now Gilmore Girls season seven is turned into a comic book.
See, I disagree with that.
I did not care caricatures of once great characters. I don't recognize him and it's hard to watch.
Yeah, see, I loved this. I really really enjoyed this episode. I don't know. I think there's a lot of people who agree with you. I think there's a majority of people that we're hearing from that do not like season seven that until episode nineteen, they all turn around on episode nineteen, which we're not there yet. I enjoyed this episode quite quite a lot.
Personally. It's hard to watch. You know, you put in six years of hard work into something and everything you have inside you to create a character, right, and then just to see it all sort of pissed on?
And what do you blame? Hard It's hard to blame how what do you blame that on the showrunners leaving? Or do you blame the network because they didn't pay them what they want? I don't give them the two seasons.
I don't know that there's anybody to blame. It's just something. It's just something that happens, you know, it's just something that it's just something that happened, and you sort of, yeah, you can't believe it's happening, but it's, but it is. And you're not there as much, and you know, you're at the able reads and you read these stories and storylines and you're just sort of like, hmm, yeah, wow, okay, but again your powerless and you are powerless to do anything about it, right, just sort of show up and do your job, you know, well you can.
I did not dislike this episode, But we'll see what happens next week. I don't know, and I don't know if maybe at episode nineteen, which is you know, feels a long way from now, maybe you'll have a turn around.
But anyway, well let's now that we're going to leave it on a high note. What an enjoyable listener next week.
It's wonderful, It's marvelous. It kept making me think of the marvelous missus Maisel.
Really, we're not that lucky. We're not that lucky. Anyway, Thank you everybody, truly the best fans on the planet, and we will we will see you next time for another rollicking, hilarious, dramatic episode of Gilmore Girl Season seven, episode four, What what entitled?
Amy give us Wonderfuls?
There you go? All right, everybody, stay safe, much love, everybody talk forget. Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeart radio dot com.
