I am all in. Oh just you, I am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey, everybody's Scott Patterson. I Am all in Podcast. One on one interview with Adam Shapiro. Adam is an actor and he appeared on one episode of Gilmore Girls as Sugarman, Season four, episode five, The Fundamental Things Apply. Uh. He's an actor and director from Philadelphia, my hometown, known for the film Steve Jobs, TV shows Never Have I Ever on Netflix and The Affair. He's been married to Katie Lows since two thousand and twelve. They have two children, and recently, during the pandemic, Adam and his wife started a pretzel company. When Katie was co hosting Live with Kelly and Ryan, she mentioned her husband's prenzel obsession to host Ryan Seacrest. Next day, the first of many citywide deliveries came to see christ door. After just one bite, the man was hooked and the on air Rave reviews ensued with that shappy Pretzel company was off to the races and I bring Let's bring him in. Now let's talk to Adam Shapiro. Adam, Hello, welcome to the show. How are you, Yeah, baby, I'm good. So first and foremost, tell us how you got the job. First of all, was the audition process, Like, for you, how did I get the job on Gilma? All right? So one of the things about Gilma, it was my first audition I ever booked. I had a line on one television show when I was a p A on The Andy Dick Show while I was in college, and and that was that wasn't you know. I didn't audition for that of It's just like who you put your walkie talking down and go say this line on the show. Yes, I'm gonna get my SAG card, you know. Gilmore Girls, I think was my first audition that I booked, um and um. I just it was just just straight go to the audition with a bunch of dudes show up. So it was it was like my first time really on a set, um and first time really doing the whole thing, you know. Like I remember I showed up to the to the wardrobe fitting and I was wearing a Temple Basketball T shirt that's like my favorite team guy and it said winning as an Attitude coach John Cheney Temple Basketball or whatever, and the I forget if it was the costume designer or maybe an assistance. She was like, I went to Temple. That's so crazy that you're wearing that shirt. You should wear it on the show. On the show, I am wearing a Temple basketball shirt that says winning as an attitude and they just sort of pinned my overshirt over the logo and I have that a picture screen grab of me wearing that shirt, signed by Temple basketball coach John Cheney. Wow. So that was a big you know, for my first time really on TV, to be able to represent my favorite team like that. So you were part yeah, the Temple Owls, the legend of the Temple Owls. You were. So you were part of the breakfast crew at Yale when Rory uh went in there in her pajamas and her slippers. Do you what do you remember about that day? Filming? That day? All right? Funny? Well so uh. The actor sitting next to me is Ethan Cone, who I'm still good friends with. Love that man, Um, I remember, you know, it's so funny now, I mean it's its twenty years, Like, how long is it go? When did we shoot this? This is two thousands, so eighteen nineteen years ago? Thanks years ago? So I you know, it is so much harder to be in a scene with one line than it is to be in a scene with like fifty lines, you know, and you know my line and in that in that episode is nice bunny shoes. That is That's it. I just say nice bunny shoes. And all I remember was trying two um not just not mess up the whole scene with my one line. And the hard part about the one line thing is you have to like act like you're not just sitting there waiting for your line when that is all you are doing. All you are doing that you have to live. You have to live that reality every moment of that scene in order to for people to believe your one line get all the way to get all And you know, the other thing was is I you know, I come from theater. I had never done a TV show, so I was completely unaware of like where the cameras were, what that what my eye line was, so I couldn't. I remember not being able to see her money shoes, but having to say nice bunny shoes, and I kept standing up so that I could see her money shoes with my and I remember the director being like, just you're you're you're stepping out of frame. You're down, and stay nice monny shoes and move on. And you know, I was trying to make up total meal out of it, and so I remember that really well. I remember Alexis being really wonderful, and I remember her saying she was like right here, she covered my face and she was like, you look exactly like my low in your like eyes. Oh my gosh, let me say, let me say, let me say that. I don't, I don't, I don't see it. Hang no, no, do it? Do it? Do it? Do open your eyes. You're squinting kind of I'm a squinter. I don't know what. She was like, you look you got And then he came on set to visit. I don't know, maybe they were dating or something at the time. I don't know, but but it was like, um, and then I met him, and then I remember it was also like around I forget exactly when we were shooting the episode, but um, I had gone to a passover sader. It was my first passover statter in Los Angeles, and it was at Marta Kaufman's house, who we all know is the producer of Friends, creator and producer of Friends and I went with some family friends of mine who were like, oh, you should come to our satire and it just happened to be at MARTA's house and it happened to be one of the coolest things, like to to date that I've been to because it was just such an amazing group of people. And um. She said to me, Hey, if you're ever on the Warner Brothers lot, come come over to Friends and say hi. Now, like twenty years later, I now know that means like you're you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if she meant to knock on the door friends the moment I was on the Warner Brothers law and asked for her, but that's what I did. So we broke for lunch at Gilmore Girls and I walked to the Friends stage and I knocked on the door and this was like the peak of friends um insanity and I UM and a big security guard came out and was like, who are you And I was like, Hey, I'm Adam Shapiro. Marta invited me to just come by anytime I was on the Warner Brothers lot, and uh, you know he he like whired. He got all the way to Marta whatever and they were like, yep, come on in. And I walked in, and I walked through the sort of backstage area and I go through a door and I'm sitting in the central perk on a couch with entire cast in rehearsals. And Martha comes out and says hi and introducing me the whole cast, and I was just like, you know, this is my first day on a TV show and now I'm on another set and it's friends and I'm in the middle of the cast on stage. I mean, it was just such a ridiculously impactful, epic day for me. You were two time in this man. I was completely too you were too time. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe my luck. I had a line on a TV show and I was on stage and they they came. They came to find you during lunch to offer you more so, just where is his overt? Friends? And you almost screw that. I also learned that they're important lesson that actors need to eat first and eat quickly so that they can get back into hair and makeup and be ready once the cruise done their lunches, and I kind of all that up. Oh how it just took too long because I wasn't friends the whole lunch and I came back like, oh, now I can get lunch, and they were like, that's not how lunch works. Man. You gotta when it's lunchtime, you get out of whatever you're gonna stay in, and you move on and you get in lunch. And if there's a huge line of crew guys, they put you in the front. And I'm always like, no, don't put me in the front. They're like, we're not putting you in the front because we think you're so spec you're gonna get it, because because we're really special and we control everything, and we we don't want to pay extra because it took you too long to this is what I'm talking about. It's the same with the chair. You know, you're like, oh, I'm an actor. I get the chair and it says Adams appear on the back of the chair that chairs a crib. It's a crib for the baby, and so they know where the baby is and when the bonus time for the baby to get up, they can go over to the crib and then be like, all right, Adam, are ready for you. It's not because they want you to be comfortable, you know. Um, that's what I remember from the day. It was a pretty epic day. So how long before Gilmore? Uh, had you move from Philadelphia to l A? About a year? A year or so I moved, um to l A. I didn't know if I want to be an actor, just work in Hollywood. I've met with a really great talent manager named Connie Tavill And Um, she was from Philly and she we had some Philly connections, and she was the first person I met when I moved to Hollywood. And she was like, listen, I think you've got the personality to be an actor. I think you you you seem to be. You know that you want this, and and you come from a good family and he seems like they're supporting you with this. And UM, what I would suggest for you, my piece of advice for you would be forget about acting for one year. Take one year in l A and be an assistant to like an agent or a manager, and learn the business of acting. Understand why people get cast, why they don't get cast, How actors who are self destructive kind of ruin their own careers, How actors that are really self starters can like give themselves a really big boost, like find out what it takes so that when you do become an actor, you've got a foundation of like how this business actually works. And because it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. And she's like, I think if you just jump into trying to get an audition right now, hey, you're not going to get one. You don't have a resume, you don't have a real you don't have any experience or an agent. Uh, you're gonna have a really rough first year and you're finally going to squeak into a couple auditions at some point, and you're not gonna get it, and you're gonna take it really personally and you're not gonna understand how this all works. So I did that, and I was an assistant to a manager for a year. Which manager can you say? Yeah, his name was Ted Shackter. He's still a big old manager with a bunch of clients. I see him all the time. Wonderful guy. It and uh, he had a partner um that I was kind of like his partner's assistant, But the partner was like a total dead dead beat, Like you gotta run out of Town long Ago, Um, for probably seven thousand different reasons. Um. But the good part about that guy really never showing up to work and not doing his job is I got to do his job a lot. You know. It's a very low paid intern, but I got to do the job of a manager. And I got really close with a bunch of actors who I'm still really good friends with them, like Ken Marino I ran into the other day, and Ken Mitchell and Lawrence Dimile and Joe Latrulio, and like I can like list off my clients from that year, and uh Eddie Jamison and Frank John Hughes, and I remember going through all the trials and tribulations of their own sort of casting and and auditions and and getting to watch how they all did it. Like, you know, uh, David Hornsby just one of the executive brisions of Always Studding in Philadelphia and one of the actors on Mythic Quest. He's incredible, And I got to like watch that kid go from college to like killing it, and he was a huge inspiration for me. Anyway, at the end of that whole year, I quit that job and I got a commercial agent, and I immediately booked like a T Mobile campaign where I it was all improv and I was like, yo, it's Adam Shapiro. I want a road trip. And I went on this like road trip around the country with my like T mobile cell service. That was great anywhere you are in the country. This was like two thousand three or whatever. And and then that commercial sort of like quickly sort of put me on the mat. It just gave me something to show. And that manager, Connie who gave me that advice, was like, hey, with this commercial, I can start, I can get you some up. And so she started representing me and she sent me out for Gilmore Girls. Fantastic. Yeah, I mean that's kind of you know, it sounds like a very traditional path. You know. You come out here, you get a manager, you get involved, you get a commercial, you start building. Yeah, just start building, like yeah, yeah, you don't. You know it's people just don't come into town and all of a sudden, bab boom they're in a big feature film. I mean that happens, that happens once every ten years, seeing it happen to people. But yeah, that is the rarest. It's very it's very very rare. I also remember Wayne who plays I guess he was the guy. He's the guy who brings. He's like in our Breakfast Club. He was on the episode. I think he was like running naked in the episode or the episode beforehand, like streaking through Yale. He was. I I remember seeing him in the Rent movie and just being like, oh, so jealous he got that role. I had auditioned for that role, right, right, So, of course you've had many roles since then. We can talk about some of them. But but your wife, Kate Katie Lows, is an actress, and how did you too meet? Yeah? So, um, there's an actress name named Lindsay Kraft who's on Grayson Frankie as well as a million other things. And um, we went to University of Maryland together. She when we graduated, she went to New York to become an actor in New York. And I moved to l A. And about a year or so, um, and or maybe two or two or three years actually after I moved to l A. She called me and said, hey, I auditioned against this girl in New York and Katie Lows, and and you're gonna You're gonna marry her. She's gonna move to l A and you're gonna marry her? Like just wow, okay. And this was like pre social media too, so I was just like, okay, I don't know who she is or what she looks like. You can't stalk her, you can't go on Instagram. Um. And then she ended up moving to Los Angeles and we met at Lindsay's birthday her at the time, her her boyfriend's birthday party, and and then it was it was a weird courtship, but it happened. And then and then we got married ten years ago. Fantastic congratulation for like seventeen years or something like that. Unbelievable. So and so she was co hosting with Ryan Seacrest and she mentioned your pretzel business. Oh yeah, that's all started. Tell us about shappy pretzels. Tells us so this is the best. This is the best. So, you know, she was doing Inventing Anna, which was a Netflix series that was on last last season or I don't know if you can even call things seasons anymore. It was just on recently on Netflix. UM, and I was doing Never Have I Ever also for Netflix, and the pandemic started and we had to just all sort of come back together and move back into our house in l A for a quarantine. We found out very quickly after the lockdown started in March that she was pregnant with our now two year old daughter, Vera and uh and and are now five year old. Was was was a two year old living in this quarantine with his parents in l A. And Katie's pregnant and really quarantined, and she's like in the bedroom, She's like, I'll see you in nine months. I don't know what this is going to be like. And so I just started cooking with my son and making him dishes from like places that you know, his mom and I traveled before he was born. And we were just googling dishes and Amazon and ingredients and stuff to the house. And um, one day I was like, what am I doing? I should be making a Philly pretzel for him. It's like, he's too he needs to have his first Philadelphia pretzel. This is like what I grew up on. And um, and then I very quickly realized that like, there's not there's no recipes for Philly pretzels online. It's not like a thing that people make at home. And it's actually not a thing people even eat outside of Philadelphia or like New Jersey, parts of Delaware, maybe parts of New York. It's a really regional cuisine and I am and so I just started finding recipes for other soft pretzels and then trying to make my own recipe for a Philly soft pretzel. And it was a few months of of really really shitty soft pretzels that I was making, and then one day I brought a batch out of the oven and I bring in Katie to taste test, and she's like, this is a Philip pretzel. This is a great soft pretzel. And I'm like, right, this is like this is insane. Really, no one makes them. They're too prevalent. It'd be like making a doughnut in Los Angeles. You could just go right down the street and there's seven thousand donut shops in l A. Like, never waste your time making a donut. And that's how it is in Philly, Like no one makes these. You just go down the street. You got your guy who sells pretzels on top of a shopping car. You pick up a couple of pretzels, you know, maybe like ten, bring him to wherever you're going. So I, Um, I start making him and I start dropping them off to like Philly ex pats that live in l a that are stuck in their houses. And then one day, uh, you know, Katie's had this job ever since. Um we did Waitress together on Broadway, uh like four years ago, and and we had done Live with Kelly and Ryan to promote the fact that we were doing Waitress, and they were like, Katie, could you come back tomorrow and and co host with Ryan Kelly's out. Katie was just like, I've never done anything like that life. She does it, and now like four years later, she's Kelly's like substitute. Really whatever. Whenever Kelly out, Katie jumps on a plane ghost in New York and and and does a few episodes Seacrest during the pandemic. Though when she would fill in for for Kelly, it was a live national broadcast live from our dining room via zoom, just like you and I are doing right now. And um, there was a day where Seacrests just randomly mentions to Katie, what have you guys been snacking on during your your quarantine? And She's like, Oh, my husband's obsessed with trying to make a Philly Pretzel. There was no company. There was nothing at this point. I just jumped on TV and I was like, Yo, Ryan, I'm bringing you pretzels tomorrow. So I wake up at four in the morning, I make a batch. I bring it over to Seacrest House in Santa Monica. He eats them on air the next episode and he's like, these are the best pretzels ever. Everybody needs to buy Shappy's Pretzels. And I'm like, Shappy's Pretzels, it's just me and my two year old making them in my kitchen. Well, one thing led to another. I get the I get a website Shappy Petzel dot com just in case, and it just says, yo, your Mal's pretzel can go itself Shappy Pretzel and uh. It linked to an Instagram that said, hey, we're not an actual pretzel company, but if we ever become one, we'll let you know. And then all of a sudden, I started like selling them like I was had a lemonade stand at the bottom of my driveway. And then like the news came, and then like the Hollywood Reporter and all these people started doing articles about it. And now two and a half years later, it's like a legit pretzel biz with a baker that we do tons of catering for film sets and weddings and pop ups. It's awesome, fantastic, But for you, it's honestly like, I think, my my favorite thing that's ever happened to me is this pretzel company. It's really fun um So has auditioning or making pretzels taken up most of your time, so you're focusing on the pretzel company. Well, the funny thing is, so I just got during the pandemic, all I could do is the Pretzel company. It was awesome. It was the first time in my adult life that I didn't wake up with that sort of feeling that you as an actor, you're like, I gotta get a job today. You like that that constant, and I had gotten so used to that feeling. It wasn't until the Lockdown, and I've talked to a lot of actors about this, that it was like this sort of like weight off my shoulders, this like unbelievable relief. I hadn't even realized how much sort of daily pressure there is as as an actor, as like an independent contractor actor, to just constantly hustle for that next role until I was told there's no auditions and nothing shoot it and nothing's on stage, and I was like, holy, it was like it opened up a huge space in my brain, you know, And within two months I had like a Pretzel company, you know what I mean. It was like unbelievable how much sort of creative space opened up because of the pandemic for me, which is a weird thing to say that that was that had this sort of positive impact on me. One it was such a horrible thing, um, but yeah. So so for that first year, all I did was the Pretzels. And then I was like, all right, well eventually work's gonna come back and I'm gonna have to go back to shooting. And so I hired a bunch of my theater friends to help me at the at the Pretzel company, you know, specifically the stage managers, because as a theater person, the smartest people I know where stage managers. They could have won Nobel Prizes, but they just like love theater, you know what I mean. So I'm like, you guys are all off work, come come work at Shappy Pretzel. And so they're all still with me. I have like a team of a bunch of theater people that work with me at Shappy Pretzel. And then I just went to Budapest for the past like seven months to film a series called The Continental, and um, I was thinking, you know, maybe that might be it for the Pretzel company. That's a long time to be away, and it just kept going, you know. So let's get into um a section we call rapid fire. I'm just gonna fire questions at you and you give me the answers as fast as you can't. Okay, you ready? How many coups of caf do you have in a day? Zero? Are you Team Logan, Team jeff Er, Team Dean, Team Jaz? Who's your favorite Gilmore Girls character? You are? What would you order it Luke's Diner? What I order Luke's Diner? Um? Uh, milk like a like a chocolate and vanil and milk chake. What would you rather go on a road trip with Taylor or Michelle? Michelle? Why? I have no idea? All right, finish the lyric and where you lead, I will follow dot dot dot I'm I'm finishing after the dot dot dot yes, and where you lead, I will follow dot dot dot uh forever and ever close anywhere that you tell me to. Okay, yeah, that's that's close. That's pretty close. I had the sentiment Jackson's Vegetables or Suki's Baked Goods, always baked goods. Would you rather listen to Drella's Harp or The Trouperdoors cover songs, cover songs, Children, Prepper Stars, Hollow High School? Yeah? All right, well that's uh, that's gonna bring us to the end of our little segment. Looks, thanks for chatting with us. This was so much fun, I know, and I want everybody to go to to Shappy s h A P p Y Pretzel dot com. That's Shappy Pretzel dot com to check out Adams Pretzel business. And then ever, yes, that's my Netflix show about high school kids and I'm their teacher. Mr Shapiro. Well there you go, all right, buddy, heay care all right, lad, honestly getting hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am All In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I Heart radio dot com. Oh you Gilmore fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company, Scott ep dot com. S CEO T. T y p dot com, scotty p dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee wh

I am all in. Oh just you, I am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey, everybody's Scott Patterson. I Am all in Podcast. One on one interview with Adam Shapiro. Adam is an actor and he appeared on one episode of Gilmore Girls as Sugarman, Season four, episode five, The Fundamental Things Apply. Uh. He's an actor and director from Philadelphia, my hometown, known for the film Steve Jobs, TV shows Never Have I Ever on Netflix and The Affair. He's been married to Katie Lows since two thousand and twelve. They have two children, and recently, during the pandemic, Adam and his wife started a pretzel company. When Katie was co hosting Live with Kelly and Ryan, she mentioned her husband's prenzel obsession to host Ryan Seacrest. Next day, the first of many citywide deliveries came to see christ door. After just one bite, the man was hooked and the on air Rave reviews ensued with that shappy Pretzel company was off to the races and I bring Let's bring him in. Now let's talk to Adam Shapiro. Adam, Hello, welcome to the show. How are you, Yeah, baby, I'm good. So first and foremost, tell us how you got the job. First of all, was the audition process, Like, for you, how did I get the job on Gilma? All right? So one of the things about Gilma, it was my first audition I ever booked. I had a line on one television show when I was a p A on The Andy Dick Show while I was in college, and and that was that wasn't you know. I didn't audition for that of It's just like who you put your walkie talking down and go say this line on the show. Yes, I'm gonna get my SAG card, you know. Gilmore Girls, I think was my first audition that I booked, um and um. I just it was just just straight go to the audition with a bunch of dudes show up. So it was it was like my first time really on a set, um and first time really doing the whole thing, you know. Like I remember I showed up to the to the wardrobe fitting and I was wearing a Temple Basketball T shirt that's like my favorite team guy and it said winning as an Attitude coach John Cheney Temple Basketball or whatever, and the I forget if it was the costume designer or maybe an assistance. She was like, I went to Temple. That's so crazy that you're wearing that shirt. You should wear it on the show. On the show, I am wearing a Temple basketball shirt that says winning as an attitude and they just sort of pinned my overshirt over the logo and I have that a picture screen grab of me wearing that shirt, signed by Temple basketball coach John Cheney. Wow. So that was a big you know, for my first time really on TV, to be able to represent my favorite team like that. So you were part yeah, the Temple Owls, the legend of the Temple Owls. You were. So you were part of the breakfast crew at Yale when Rory uh went in there in her pajamas and her slippers. Do you what do you remember about that day? Filming? That day? All right? Funny? Well so uh. The actor sitting next to me is Ethan Cone, who I'm still good friends with. Love that man, Um, I remember, you know, it's so funny now, I mean it's its twenty years, Like, how long is it go? When did we shoot this? This is two thousands, so eighteen nineteen years ago? Thanks years ago? So I you know, it is so much harder to be in a scene with one line than it is to be in a scene with like fifty lines, you know, and you know my line and in that in that episode is nice bunny shoes. That is That's it. I just say nice bunny shoes. And all I remember was trying two um not just not mess up the whole scene with my one line. And the hard part about the one line thing is you have to like act like you're not just sitting there waiting for your line when that is all you are doing. All you are doing that you have to live. You have to live that reality every moment of that scene in order to for people to believe your one line get all the way to get all And you know, the other thing was is I you know, I come from theater. I had never done a TV show, so I was completely unaware of like where the cameras were, what that what my eye line was, so I couldn't. I remember not being able to see her money shoes, but having to say nice bunny shoes, and I kept standing up so that I could see her money shoes with my and I remember the director being like, just you're you're you're stepping out of frame. You're down, and stay nice monny shoes and move on. And you know, I was trying to make up total meal out of it, and so I remember that really well. I remember Alexis being really wonderful, and I remember her saying she was like right here, she covered my face and she was like, you look exactly like my low in your like eyes. Oh my gosh, let me say, let me say, let me say that. I don't, I don't, I don't see it. Hang no, no, do it? Do it? Do it? Do open your eyes. You're squinting kind of I'm a squinter. I don't know what. She was like, you look you got And then he came on set to visit. I don't know, maybe they were dating or something at the time. I don't know, but but it was like, um, and then I met him, and then I remember it was also like around I forget exactly when we were shooting the episode, but um, I had gone to a passover sader. It was my first passover statter in Los Angeles, and it was at Marta Kaufman's house, who we all know is the producer of Friends, creator and producer of Friends and I went with some family friends of mine who were like, oh, you should come to our satire and it just happened to be at MARTA's house and it happened to be one of the coolest things, like to to date that I've been to because it was just such an amazing group of people. And um. She said to me, Hey, if you're ever on the Warner Brothers lot, come come over to Friends and say hi. Now, like twenty years later, I now know that means like you're you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if she meant to knock on the door friends the moment I was on the Warner Brothers law and asked for her, but that's what I did. So we broke for lunch at Gilmore Girls and I walked to the Friends stage and I knocked on the door and this was like the peak of friends um insanity and I UM and a big security guard came out and was like, who are you And I was like, Hey, I'm Adam Shapiro. Marta invited me to just come by anytime I was on the Warner Brothers lot, and uh, you know he he like whired. He got all the way to Marta whatever and they were like, yep, come on in. And I walked in, and I walked through the sort of backstage area and I go through a door and I'm sitting in the central perk on a couch with entire cast in rehearsals. And Martha comes out and says hi and introducing me the whole cast, and I was just like, you know, this is my first day on a TV show and now I'm on another set and it's friends and I'm in the middle of the cast on stage. I mean, it was just such a ridiculously impactful, epic day for me. You were two time in this man. I was completely too you were too time. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe my luck. I had a line on a TV show and I was on stage and they they came. They came to find you during lunch to offer you more so, just where is his overt? Friends? And you almost screw that. I also learned that they're important lesson that actors need to eat first and eat quickly so that they can get back into hair and makeup and be ready once the cruise done their lunches, and I kind of all that up. Oh how it just took too long because I wasn't friends the whole lunch and I came back like, oh, now I can get lunch, and they were like, that's not how lunch works. Man. You gotta when it's lunchtime, you get out of whatever you're gonna stay in, and you move on and you get in lunch. And if there's a huge line of crew guys, they put you in the front. And I'm always like, no, don't put me in the front. They're like, we're not putting you in the front because we think you're so spec you're gonna get it, because because we're really special and we control everything, and we we don't want to pay extra because it took you too long to this is what I'm talking about. It's the same with the chair. You know, you're like, oh, I'm an actor. I get the chair and it says Adams appear on the back of the chair that chairs a crib. It's a crib for the baby, and so they know where the baby is and when the bonus time for the baby to get up, they can go over to the crib and then be like, all right, Adam, are ready for you. It's not because they want you to be comfortable, you know. Um, that's what I remember from the day. It was a pretty epic day. So how long before Gilmore? Uh, had you move from Philadelphia to l A? About a year? A year or so I moved, um to l A. I didn't know if I want to be an actor, just work in Hollywood. I've met with a really great talent manager named Connie Tavill And Um, she was from Philly and she we had some Philly connections, and she was the first person I met when I moved to Hollywood. And she was like, listen, I think you've got the personality to be an actor. I think you you you seem to be. You know that you want this, and and you come from a good family and he seems like they're supporting you with this. And UM, what I would suggest for you, my piece of advice for you would be forget about acting for one year. Take one year in l A and be an assistant to like an agent or a manager, and learn the business of acting. Understand why people get cast, why they don't get cast, How actors who are self destructive kind of ruin their own careers, How actors that are really self starters can like give themselves a really big boost, like find out what it takes so that when you do become an actor, you've got a foundation of like how this business actually works. And because it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. And she's like, I think if you just jump into trying to get an audition right now, hey, you're not going to get one. You don't have a resume, you don't have a real you don't have any experience or an agent. Uh, you're gonna have a really rough first year and you're finally going to squeak into a couple auditions at some point, and you're not gonna get it, and you're gonna take it really personally and you're not gonna understand how this all works. So I did that, and I was an assistant to a manager for a year. Which manager can you say? Yeah, his name was Ted Shackter. He's still a big old manager with a bunch of clients. I see him all the time. Wonderful guy. It and uh, he had a partner um that I was kind of like his partner's assistant, But the partner was like a total dead dead beat, Like you gotta run out of Town long Ago, Um, for probably seven thousand different reasons. Um. But the good part about that guy really never showing up to work and not doing his job is I got to do his job a lot. You know. It's a very low paid intern, but I got to do the job of a manager. And I got really close with a bunch of actors who I'm still really good friends with them, like Ken Marino I ran into the other day, and Ken Mitchell and Lawrence Dimile and Joe Latrulio, and like I can like list off my clients from that year, and uh Eddie Jamison and Frank John Hughes, and I remember going through all the trials and tribulations of their own sort of casting and and auditions and and getting to watch how they all did it. Like, you know, uh, David Hornsby just one of the executive brisions of Always Studding in Philadelphia and one of the actors on Mythic Quest. He's incredible, And I got to like watch that kid go from college to like killing it, and he was a huge inspiration for me. Anyway, at the end of that whole year, I quit that job and I got a commercial agent, and I immediately booked like a T Mobile campaign where I it was all improv and I was like, yo, it's Adam Shapiro. I want a road trip. And I went on this like road trip around the country with my like T mobile cell service. That was great anywhere you are in the country. This was like two thousand three or whatever. And and then that commercial sort of like quickly sort of put me on the mat. It just gave me something to show. And that manager, Connie who gave me that advice, was like, hey, with this commercial, I can start, I can get you some up. And so she started representing me and she sent me out for Gilmore Girls. Fantastic. Yeah, I mean that's kind of you know, it sounds like a very traditional path. You know. You come out here, you get a manager, you get involved, you get a commercial, you start building. Yeah, just start building, like yeah, yeah, you don't. You know it's people just don't come into town and all of a sudden, bab boom they're in a big feature film. I mean that happens, that happens once every ten years, seeing it happen to people. But yeah, that is the rarest. It's very it's very very rare. I also remember Wayne who plays I guess he was the guy. He's the guy who brings. He's like in our Breakfast Club. He was on the episode. I think he was like running naked in the episode or the episode beforehand, like streaking through Yale. He was. I I remember seeing him in the Rent movie and just being like, oh, so jealous he got that role. I had auditioned for that role, right, right, So, of course you've had many roles since then. We can talk about some of them. But but your wife, Kate Katie Lows, is an actress, and how did you too meet? Yeah? So, um, there's an actress name named Lindsay Kraft who's on Grayson Frankie as well as a million other things. And um, we went to University of Maryland together. She when we graduated, she went to New York to become an actor in New York. And I moved to l A. And about a year or so, um, and or maybe two or two or three years actually after I moved to l A. She called me and said, hey, I auditioned against this girl in New York and Katie Lows, and and you're gonna You're gonna marry her. She's gonna move to l A and you're gonna marry her? Like just wow, okay. And this was like pre social media too, so I was just like, okay, I don't know who she is or what she looks like. You can't stalk her, you can't go on Instagram. Um. And then she ended up moving to Los Angeles and we met at Lindsay's birthday her at the time, her her boyfriend's birthday party, and and then it was it was a weird courtship, but it happened. And then and then we got married ten years ago. Fantastic congratulation for like seventeen years or something like that. Unbelievable. So and so she was co hosting with Ryan Seacrest and she mentioned your pretzel business. Oh yeah, that's all started. Tell us about shappy pretzels. Tells us so this is the best. This is the best. So, you know, she was doing Inventing Anna, which was a Netflix series that was on last last season or I don't know if you can even call things seasons anymore. It was just on recently on Netflix. UM, and I was doing Never Have I Ever also for Netflix, and the pandemic started and we had to just all sort of come back together and move back into our house in l A for a quarantine. We found out very quickly after the lockdown started in March that she was pregnant with our now two year old daughter, Vera and uh and and are now five year old. Was was was a two year old living in this quarantine with his parents in l A. And Katie's pregnant and really quarantined, and she's like in the bedroom, She's like, I'll see you in nine months. I don't know what this is going to be like. And so I just started cooking with my son and making him dishes from like places that you know, his mom and I traveled before he was born. And we were just googling dishes and Amazon and ingredients and stuff to the house. And um, one day I was like, what am I doing? I should be making a Philly pretzel for him. It's like, he's too he needs to have his first Philadelphia pretzel. This is like what I grew up on. And um, and then I very quickly realized that like, there's not there's no recipes for Philly pretzels online. It's not like a thing that people make at home. And it's actually not a thing people even eat outside of Philadelphia or like New Jersey, parts of Delaware, maybe parts of New York. It's a really regional cuisine and I am and so I just started finding recipes for other soft pretzels and then trying to make my own recipe for a Philly soft pretzel. And it was a few months of of really really shitty soft pretzels that I was making, and then one day I brought a batch out of the oven and I bring in Katie to taste test, and she's like, this is a Philip pretzel. This is a great soft pretzel. And I'm like, right, this is like this is insane. Really, no one makes them. They're too prevalent. It'd be like making a doughnut in Los Angeles. You could just go right down the street and there's seven thousand donut shops in l A. Like, never waste your time making a donut. And that's how it is in Philly, Like no one makes these. You just go down the street. You got your guy who sells pretzels on top of a shopping car. You pick up a couple of pretzels, you know, maybe like ten, bring him to wherever you're going. So I, Um, I start making him and I start dropping them off to like Philly ex pats that live in l a that are stuck in their houses. And then one day, uh, you know, Katie's had this job ever since. Um we did Waitress together on Broadway, uh like four years ago, and and we had done Live with Kelly and Ryan to promote the fact that we were doing Waitress, and they were like, Katie, could you come back tomorrow and and co host with Ryan Kelly's out. Katie was just like, I've never done anything like that life. She does it, and now like four years later, she's Kelly's like substitute. Really whatever. Whenever Kelly out, Katie jumps on a plane ghost in New York and and and does a few episodes Seacrest during the pandemic. Though when she would fill in for for Kelly, it was a live national broadcast live from our dining room via zoom, just like you and I are doing right now. And um, there was a day where Seacrests just randomly mentions to Katie, what have you guys been snacking on during your your quarantine? And She's like, Oh, my husband's obsessed with trying to make a Philly Pretzel. There was no company. There was nothing at this point. I just jumped on TV and I was like, Yo, Ryan, I'm bringing you pretzels tomorrow. So I wake up at four in the morning, I make a batch. I bring it over to Seacrest House in Santa Monica. He eats them on air the next episode and he's like, these are the best pretzels ever. Everybody needs to buy Shappy's Pretzels. And I'm like, Shappy's Pretzels, it's just me and my two year old making them in my kitchen. Well, one thing led to another. I get the I get a website Shappy Petzel dot com just in case, and it just says, yo, your Mal's pretzel can go itself Shappy Pretzel and uh. It linked to an Instagram that said, hey, we're not an actual pretzel company, but if we ever become one, we'll let you know. And then all of a sudden, I started like selling them like I was had a lemonade stand at the bottom of my driveway. And then like the news came, and then like the Hollywood Reporter and all these people started doing articles about it. And now two and a half years later, it's like a legit pretzel biz with a baker that we do tons of catering for film sets and weddings and pop ups. It's awesome, fantastic, But for you, it's honestly like, I think, my my favorite thing that's ever happened to me is this pretzel company. It's really fun um So has auditioning or making pretzels taken up most of your time, so you're focusing on the pretzel company. Well, the funny thing is, so I just got during the pandemic, all I could do is the Pretzel company. It was awesome. It was the first time in my adult life that I didn't wake up with that sort of feeling that you as an actor, you're like, I gotta get a job today. You like that that constant, and I had gotten so used to that feeling. It wasn't until the Lockdown, and I've talked to a lot of actors about this, that it was like this sort of like weight off my shoulders, this like unbelievable relief. I hadn't even realized how much sort of daily pressure there is as as an actor, as like an independent contractor actor, to just constantly hustle for that next role until I was told there's no auditions and nothing shoot it and nothing's on stage, and I was like, holy, it was like it opened up a huge space in my brain, you know, And within two months I had like a Pretzel company, you know what I mean. It was like unbelievable how much sort of creative space opened up because of the pandemic for me, which is a weird thing to say that that was that had this sort of positive impact on me. One it was such a horrible thing, um, but yeah. So so for that first year, all I did was the Pretzels. And then I was like, all right, well eventually work's gonna come back and I'm gonna have to go back to shooting. And so I hired a bunch of my theater friends to help me at the at the Pretzel company, you know, specifically the stage managers, because as a theater person, the smartest people I know where stage managers. They could have won Nobel Prizes, but they just like love theater, you know what I mean. So I'm like, you guys are all off work, come come work at Shappy Pretzel. And so they're all still with me. I have like a team of a bunch of theater people that work with me at Shappy Pretzel. And then I just went to Budapest for the past like seven months to film a series called The Continental, and um, I was thinking, you know, maybe that might be it for the Pretzel company. That's a long time to be away, and it just kept going, you know. So let's get into um a section we call rapid fire. I'm just gonna fire questions at you and you give me the answers as fast as you can't. Okay, you ready? How many coups of caf do you have in a day? Zero? Are you Team Logan, Team jeff Er, Team Dean, Team Jaz? Who's your favorite Gilmore Girls character? You are? What would you order it Luke's Diner? What I order Luke's Diner? Um? Uh, milk like a like a chocolate and vanil and milk chake. What would you rather go on a road trip with Taylor or Michelle? Michelle? Why? I have no idea? All right, finish the lyric and where you lead, I will follow dot dot dot I'm I'm finishing after the dot dot dot yes, and where you lead, I will follow dot dot dot uh forever and ever close anywhere that you tell me to. Okay, yeah, that's that's close. That's pretty close. I had the sentiment Jackson's Vegetables or Suki's Baked Goods, always baked goods. Would you rather listen to Drella's Harp or The Trouperdoors cover songs, cover songs, Children, Prepper Stars, Hollow High School? Yeah? All right, well that's uh, that's gonna bring us to the end of our little segment. Looks, thanks for chatting with us. This was so much fun, I know, and I want everybody to go to to Shappy s h A P p Y Pretzel dot com. That's Shappy Pretzel dot com to check out Adams Pretzel business. And then ever, yes, that's my Netflix show about high school kids and I'm their teacher. Mr Shapiro. Well there you go, all right, buddy, heay care all right, lad, honestly getting hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am All In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I Heart radio dot com. Oh you Gilmore fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company, Scott ep dot com. S CEO T. T y p dot com, scotty p dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee wh