I Am all In, I wants you. I Am all In with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, hey everybody, it's Scott Patterson and this is the I Am All In Podcast with I Heart Radio one eleven productions. We are gonna talk about and break down presenting Laura Likeylmore today, which was an episode that created within us so far just chit chatting in the morning or little preambles created a tremendous amount of division and controversy already. And I'm not gonna say who's on either side, but uh, let me just tell you now that the full ball club is back. We're back together. Danielle's back. She was missing last episode created a huge hole in our defense and our offense. Um, now that she's back, we can really get into the nuts and bolts of this. Uh but um, you know, I I thought it was a little lagging in the beginning. I had to adjust to it a little bit and we'll get into this a little more, and it gained momentum. It really started gaining momentum. It's putting Laurel in a position where she's being very flirtatious with Christopher through the entire episode. And hoping against hope, and it was just unfamiliar territory for me to see her in that position when it wasn't me on the on the receiving end. See, so the ego came into play a little bit. I have to admit it was a little uncomfortable to watch so perfectly executed. I think Danielle has a different opinion of this. Oh, I cannot wait to get into this with you, because we were chatting before, like you said, and you and I have opposing opinions about this episode. Yeah a little. I mean we it's it's a little divergent, but uh, you know, I think we can agree on one thing that we both went and we weren't together when we were watching it. I don't want to start any rumors, but um, you know we were both ooing and eyeing through the whole thing, right, I mean, it was, it was, It was. It was a delightful episode for sure. It had that Gilmore Girls impact. Um, it had those big moments. Uh. It it really framed for me anyway, the loss of something. You know, it was looking back and also looking forward at the same time. It framed Rory's future and where she's going it also framed lauralized past and what could have been um. So there was that, you know, these these polar opposites pulling on each other and making creating a lot of tension in the episode, which was brilliantly um crystallized in that final moment with Laurela I just sort of looking off and the fans going off behind her and all that stuff with the the girls, the young debutant's dancing in the background with their fans. Um And we have a very special guest today. I want to say that Brenda Maban head wardrobe mistress, costume designer. Do they even say wardrobe mistress anymore? My god? Uh? It was one of my favorite people of this entire production. Brenda was a bright light every single day. She was always happy and sunny and professional and um full of great stories and and uh just a consummate pro And she's she's been around for a while and she got her start with the bodyguard Kevin Costner Whitney Houston, and her careers morphed into something very very special and I think you know sides, you know, besides everything else we've been talking about that Brenda's influence on this show has been monumental and has helped as much as anybody's contribution make this the show that it is, because you know, wardrobe is very difficult, it's a very tricky thing to do. It requires a true artist to really bring that vision together what the creators are looking for, with a little input of our own or a lot of input of our own. Um. And you really noticed this kind of a thing when you're watching a movie or a TV show that's poorly wardrobed and you're just it's jarring. It's like, wow, you really notice the clothes right, You notice how wrong they are? That never happens on Gil Mortals. So and that's a testament to Brenda. And let's bring her in. Let's let's let's say hello to Brenda Mayben. Hello, how are you on the left bank? And gay Paris? Oh? We we yes? I and actually yes, yes, you know. I always get to confuse left bank, right bank. I know the lube and something else is on the left bank, and then to refell and the muse or say, isn't on the right bank? I think, I don't are you there for work? Are you? Are you living there now? Or what's going on? I am how good luck. Um, I'm just here for vacation. This time, I was living here in this very apartment for work, uh to three I think three years ago I did a television series for Amazon called Patriot and it was season two and uh we shot the entire thing in Paris. It was fantastic. It was really it wasn't true, okay, because hey, you know, living in Paris it goes to why you got in the business in the first place. You know, it all came down to that job, right right? No, I mean I I My reason for getting into the acting game was you know, many fold, but one of the things that I thought was so attractive about it was the ability to travel to Europe and go to film festivals. Oh yeah, I just kept thinking of Venice and Cohn and that kind of thing. I haven't gotten there yet, but it was the reason, one of the reasons I wanted to do it. Yeah. I call it my my work vacation retirement plan kind of basically because I I've had the good fortune to go to Morocco and Prague and Paris and Montreal, you know, out of the United States and Mexico, and every last one of them has been amaze zing adventure and Amy saying experience. The people that I work with are great. I speak French and I speak Spanish and I learned Spanish on Gilmo girls. Um so I have to thank you know, Amy for that. And actually I Amy was doing Mrs Mazel. She came to Paris and shout an episode of Mrs Mazel and we were here at the same time, so I got to see her. So that was that was kind of kind of good too. But yeah, I don't have any complaints, no complaints at all. Uh. Well, you know, I would love to be able to live here forever and have somebody else paid for it. That would be really great. Um, life's been pretty good. You know. I got married. I did not know that. Congratulations to the groom. I got married to an h Britt, to an Englishman and I know I David sitting here and he said he met me. I don't, yeah, I know. But just to get everybody up today, you know, so, um, yeah, it's been good. That's fantastic. Congratulations. Um so let's get into uh, let's get into the show. People the fans want to know and we all know on the in the cast and on the production, how important, what you do is to the show, and we've commented on it many times during uh this uh this podcast, UM, and a lot of fans are fascinated by that. Tell us how you got the job? Who you did you first meet Amy and she offered you the job? Or how did that go? No? I started off. I got the job as a costume supervisor, and Um, the designer sent me the pilot and the script and I read it, and my feeling after I saw the pilot and read the script was I don't care what I have to do to get this job. I'm getting this job because it was It touched me and it was heartfelt, and I love the relationship. I love the kind of eggs between you and lore Lie. You know, do they like each other? Well? Maybe, but I don't know. You know, there was that energy between you two and then your loving energy with Roy and I just I liked the whole package and I had to do it. So UM. I supervised it for oh what two years? Three years I think, and then they there's a whole bunch of things that happened that I talked about, but UM, needless to say, I told them when they asked me what I take over being, you know, and be the designer. I said no, not right now because of the way things happened. And then finally Patricia said it's time, so I took over. And just for the fans, Patricia Palmer was one of the the top producers of the show. What was her official title? Um Um, she was line producer, line producer. Yeah, I have to look at huge job. Huge job. Yeah. She kept everyone in line, did um. Well, of course, you know, Amy had some input in that, and I I got along well with Lauren and I just wanted it was best for the characters basically, and everyone I saw that that's what I wanted. So that's why I continued to do the show. Um. I I just wanted to make the characters come alive, you know they were. I was so into each and every character, you know. I remember that time when they were saying, Okay, he's not gonna wear a baseball cap anymore, and I was like, yes he is. But you know, we didn't for a while, remember, and then no, they were trying to take it off my head and they didn't want anymore. We were it was just gonna be a little slight change, and then it was it. It was you. It was it was your character, you know, that was Luke. That hat was just like your arm, you know, it was part of your character. And then you had it that Hume And what what season was that where they were contemplating the being Yeah, it was maybe season four or five. I don't you know, all those seasons kind of my mail together, but I'd have to look it up to tell you the truth. But it was just I just loved every single character. The crazier the character, the happier it made me. All of the festivals just made me happy. We had the Harvest Festival and the twelve I think it was twelve tap dancing kids in um blazers and with yellow stripes, and I was like, what where am I going to find blazers with yellow stripes? And so I went to the fabric store and found some yellow stripes and had them sewn onto the blazers, you know, because it felt right. Yeah, the crazier the better. So here's here's a question. So so you're reading every single script. You have to digest these scripts, and in Lauren's case, you have to say, Okay, in this episode, we're seeing Lauren either get a little more closed off or opening up a little more. She's a little happier, she's a little sad, or you know something, So that affects your decisions on wardrobe. Correct, Oh yeah, it does. Um. When she was happy, it was just she was a little more flowy. You know, she had on a skirt and it wasn't tight, and or I should say it wasn't form fitting. It was a little looser in the shape of it. And or she had on her favorite Peara jeans with her favorite rock and Roll T shirt and a really cool Dinna jacket, or you know, depending on what the season of the show was this particular time. And then when she was sad, it was she was a little more covered up. You know, it was more a looser fitting sweatshirt. Maybe she had on sweats you know, she made shadow tennis shoes, but she was just a little more closed. Yeah, as far as her personality was concerned, because she was sad. You know, when you're sad, you don't go with the deep v and you know everything hanging out? Now, were these all every episode was a consult with Amy or Lauren? And how much input did Lauren have in her own wardrobe? For example, a lot of It was a combination of both Amy. Amy was pretty pretty good about not I don't want to say not contributing to what Lauren had on at times if it was something special and if it was something that was going to move the character in a certain direction. My informost conversation was with Amy um and giving her what I felt the character was was doing and feeling at the time. And then my second consult was with Lauren because I wanted to make sure that Amy's you know, Amy's writing this, so I wanted to make sure that I was on point with how Amy was moving the character along and how Amy saw the character feeling. And then with Lauren, it was definitely consulted and we would talk about the character, how Lauren felt the character was moving along, and it was part of I felt my job to make sure that we were all moving in the same direction. So, because you know, I wanted to be I wanted Lauren to be happy, but I wanted Amy to be happy too, because Amy, it's her show. Yeah. A lot of conversations, yeah, yeah, and Um, even even with your character, you know, it was okay, yes she did wear the plaid shirts, but you know, there were a couple of times where you didn't have on the plaid shirts and what type of of sure where you gonna wear? And you know, and especially because there wasn't clad, there was a lot of decision, a lot of lots of about and then I'd come to you and say, oh, okay, so what do you think you know, I'd have a choice, um, who your choices, and I would explain to you, well, your character is doing this, that and the other thing. But it was always the first consult with pain. Always I noticed the most, the most because I'm not really looking for So if I don't notice that people are doing your you know, your job is being done seamlessly. So if you don't notice the wardrobe, it's like and you and you feel a certain way, then then everybody's executing at a high level. And that's the way it should be. Right, You shouldn't notice it. But the thing, the thing that really and so I have an eye out for it. Right, So I'm really looking for because I'm hypercritical when I'm watching these episodes, and I'm always trying to find things. Um, inconsistencies are things I find a little off balance, are great things and whatever it is and the one thing I really loved was what you did with Scott Cohen's wardrobe when he was getting dumped, because right, look at your face. You turned him into a he is right he and it was it was And you had him looking so great at at Chilton and those outfits, and he was so confident in the hair and the the guy he is right. I mean, it's just also great what a package he brings to bear Um. And then when he moves in not moves in Buddies, when he's staying with Laureli for that those couple of days where they realized that they don't really mesh as well, and when he starts vying for power over Rory, it's like I want to have a say. You know, you've got him in these fairly shlubby, oversized wide collar shirts that make him look and he was a little slumped over, because such a good actor is just sort of slightly run over, right, So so it's looking a little baggy, it's looking a little out of sorts, it's looking a little i don't know, just kind of high schoolish and unkempt. Yeah, And and it really translated from him like, wow, this guy's just by that um marker alone. I knew he was on his way out. I thought, yeah, we have to be a little you know, you can't jump a really sharp together. I mean, I guess you could, right from an audience point of view. They have to be able to let go of him. Yeah. Who wants to let go of someone that looks they're at the top of their gang and they're just slightly going down hill a little? Yeah? Dumpan. I knew he was going out. I haven't seen the episodes. Thats the whole premise of the podcast. I haven't seen him. So I'm watching these with fresh eyes, and I thought, look at that, look at that shirt. He's not looking great anymore. And it's he's gone. He's out. He's not dressing like a winner anymore. Um. Who who did you enjoy wardrobeing for the most? Was it Sean Gunn with all this any outfits. I want to say, no offense to anybody else, but Sean is like he's he has a special little twinge in my heart. And the other thing was he was different all the time, all the time when he was just different, you know, he started off. Um, I think he was only supposed to be in it. You know, they were like, he just had a couple of lines and all this stuff. He's always in it, and he's always he's never the same, never the same. There was nothing that you could really identify him. You know. He was a photographer, he was he's a delivery guy driver uber which was a filmmaker. He was the filmmaker. He was so many different things and then what was it? He was Jesus. He was Jesus in that episode of Yeah and So, and he was a minuteur. That was my favorite one because I had I decided that I was going to paper machee this sculpture for him, and it was It started raining and which means that it's not going to dry, so that the set deck and the proper guides are bringing these huge e fans and on stage and they're just blowing everywhere. And um Casey, who was our scenic painter, I said, what happens if I put the paint in with the glue and the paper. He goes, well, then it'll be the color. And I was like perfect, and I just started doing it. And one of my costomers, Lonnie Shot, went and got food and she was just putting it in my mouth. You know, I was just finally and we had a we that was back when it was the beginning of iPods, and it was four dred and thirty three songs. That's how long it took me. And she made me a T shirt that said four hundred and thirty three songs. That's at least hundred minutes. It was. It was. It took me a while, but we got it dry, you know, blow dryers in the end, and he worked. So that was one of my my favorite costumes. I mean, we dressed him up as a woman. Um, it was the revolutionary or whatever. You know, they always had a year. Um, he did his mind you know when he was and then he simulated being born right. It was. It was crazy stuff. It was crazy. I think they're in the history of Hollywood. There isn't a better highlight reel than than Kirk. I mean, if you just put them all together right in one video, it would just slay. Oh my goodness. So he was you know, I bet Amy probably didn't have any more fun writing any other character than than Kirk. I mean that must have been just sweet comic relief for her. You know, Yeah, he was nuts. It was. It was it was just you know, you get this and I'm looking per curb curb. Ah, there he is. Okay, Jesus, oh my goodness. And now he's you know, he's in Guardian of the Galaxy and he's kind of the same character throughout those films. But it's just really kind of cool because he's you know, they've altered the way he looks. You know, it's there. They're yeah, they're green screening him like crazy. Yeah, that group character. Um, yeah, I see him on the convention circuit. I do conventions now and I see him everyone. Yeah, we do. We share an agent. We uh, we actually do signings together and photos together sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, I did get to work with him. I just finished a show called The Terminal List, and I can't really say too much about it, but I had a Shawn guns waiting that was really lovely. Um. We had a lot of laughs and it was just it was it was great. Yeah, it's great. It's good spending time with him. He's a good hang. Um, tell us what it was like too. I mean, I know that the the you know, the Netflix episodes, the year in the Life must have been very daunting sort of planning for you and your team to do four seasons, shooting four different seasons perhaps in one day and doing you know what was that? That was ninety minutes times four in three and a half months. So basically shooting four movies in three and a half months in four different seasons. How on earth did you? How do you keep track of that? I had a really big book, like I but I treated it like it was a film. That was the only way I could basically do it. Um, and I just sectioned it off. You know, each each character had winter, spring, summer, fall, claws. That It was a little challenging because not all those seasons were available m hm at the time, so some of them I'm manufactured, I had been made. Uh. It was every time I'd look at the call sheet or you know, the one liner, we would just we were very very precise about it because that's the only way it could be. And then when they would change it up, Oh, we're not gonna do this today, we're gonna do all oh wow, And it was I would just say, okay, that's fine, and I'd go to their summer closet I had to build. I built closets for each each character, and um, I would say the most fun out of almost the most fun, there were several most funs. You know, you can't just do one. It's Gilmore girls, so there's a lot. Was when Um Emily were the Levis you know LEVI T shirt, because that was so far off a character spectrum, it just made it lots of fun. Let's talk a little bit about this episode presenting Laura Gilmore and the dresses. Did you create that dress Ferrory? Was that manufactured or was that purchased? Was that out her coming out? But they were purchased, they were They were purchased um at a bridal place downtown. We bought a lot of them, all different. And the fun thing about that that not a lot of people know is that when we did when Rory was in college and she did the Eye Jump You Jump episode, those were the same dresses. They were the same dresses. What I did was I, if it had straps, I took the straps off. I like switched everything around, and then I died them all different colors. And I didn't know if it was gonna work. And then those same dresses were worn by I've muh that the there were this group of little girls and I don't remember what episode it was, But I cut them down and redied them. Interesting, so I got there was a lot of ware that was gotten out of that initial right, and all of those dresses that all of those girls wore, that's you know, everything you see on the screen, it's your responsibility, right, So all of those dresses were purchased from all the debutantes, from all the tuxedos, the shoes, the everything. What kind of a budget are you given to do that in that particular episode? Do you remember at the beginning? Not very much? Right, you know, not very much, and it's never to be quite honest. Uh, it's never enough. And that's where the creativity comes in to play. For example, that's why I use the same dresses, you know, because Property or Warner Brothers might as well use them. Again, I think they don't need what the same. But you know, it was an initial cost for that particular episode. We got more money than you know, we were giving more money than um. What is it that we were both to spend because usually you know, it's somewhere in the area of twenty third dollars per episode, depending on what's happening that particular one, there was a lot of stuff happening, and you know, because there were it just wasn't one person wearing a dress. But we got the dresses for pretty cheap. I think they were two hundred dollars piece, which for a bridal dress. They were they were literally bride's dresses. And got them for wholesale, and they were very well made because it needed to have a certain look to it too. You know, it needed to hang properly, and it's all about the fabric. If you have crappy fabric, it's just not going to look the same. And there was a certain caliber that because you know, it's Amy show, um, there was a certain caliber that Amy wanted to achieve and everyone else on the show wanted to achieve. So yeah, I mean, so you're constantly I mean, there are no brakes for you, right, I mean, it's it's just a day, even Saturday Sundays you're shopping and I mean it's just like it's a constant, nine months, daily grind to get it right and to consult and to perfect and it's just what kind of days were you putting in? I mean how many hours were you putting in per day? Probably about eighteen eighteen hours every single day. Yeah, because it just it's just what it is. You know, you you know what you have to do. Um I have pride in my work. I love what I do, which it doesn't when I sit when I say t I was like, well that was working that much, but it didn't seem like it at the time. There was this one time that I came home and I fell asleep on the couch and my house keepercame it and cleaned my house and I woke up about nine o'clock at ninety like what happened or stuff? Yeah, you know, because I had just like dropped everything. When I walked in the door, my bid was made. I mean it was perfectly you know, clean me looking space and I she didn't move me. She just I fell asleep on the couch. I couldn't even make it to the bedroom. But um it, it just doesn't Sometimes it seems like it's it's a long day. But you know, I really love the crew. You know, it all depends on who you with. And I adored my crew. I could be with them twenty four hours a day because they were like my family. And the the actual crew on the show, we were all like family. It wasn't. It wasn't like people weren't getting along. Everyone was there to help everyone else. You know, the props. We worked well with everything with every if for example, props and persons and things like that that are shared. If polican Pola couldn't find it, um, she'd say, hey, I'm looking for such and such, and when I'm out in the world, I would see something and call her and say, hey, what about this. I'm gonna bring it and you can look at it. You know. It was cross pollenization in all the departments. So it was it was a terrific set to be on it. Really, it didn't seem it was that. So put us on the set. Okay, so we're shooting those scenes with Rory being walked down the stairs by Christopher and the Tucks and she's in the wedding dress, the whole thing. Put us there on the set. You're there, right, your brend Bren Brenda is there checking in. You've got uh, You've got your team there looking at everything. And tell us about the kind of power you exert on the set. If you see something's a little off and you need to make a change, How does that process work? Do you go to the director and say listen, uh, there's a problem here and we need to I need to fix it. Do you get that kind of authority? Oh? Yeah, did that happen in that episode? Did that because there was so much going on? Um, it's just you know, it's just a matter of maybe the sleeve is dwn, you know, the strap or whatever. Um. What happens is before they get to set, Before the actors get to set, we're waiting outside their trail rooms. So when they step out, we already see if there's a major problem, so by the time and then we we address it right then and there on the spot. And then usually it only takes a couple of minutes, um, depending on what it is. You know, there's nothing really major because there's a fitting before. So all of the the chances the opportunity is for it not to be as perfect as it can be are eliminated before they get to set, or at least we hope they're eliminated. And then if it's something like that, someone is in the room helping her put her clothes on, and you know, maybe the zipper walk go up, or maybe a button falls off or something like that that's going to affect the way it looks when it gets to set. That's handled right then and there. So in you know, we help them dress where outside a dressing room, give them a check, and then we go to set and they have a rehearsal. And I'm usually outside the trainer too. I don't let that get away from me. So interesting. So so give us an idea of what it's like dressing and how much more time uh an effort goes into dressing and sort of managing the wardrobe of somebody, say like Lauren or alexis as as opposed to me, because it was I I must have been the easiest person to dress. There was nothing to do. Make sure that you know the it's on and that's it. Yeah, that's that said. Our shoes tied? Yes, everything good? Okay, But but the others normally it wasn't that hard either, you know what I mean, it was it was pretty simple. We were always outside the trailer I can't emphasize that enough. Always outside the trailer um, just waiting and if there was something. I mean, there were times when Lauren would open the door because Lauren liked to address herself because it was her time to get centered and go over her lines because you know, I don't know how many words someone should figure out? How many words did you guys say without a lot of words? Um? So you you want to give you want to give the actor their space that way. Um. And then if there was something that she needed, she would open the door and say, hey, can I have um, I don't know something, you know, can have a different pair of shoes? Or can I have these are are a little tight? Is there a pair that's a little more comfortable that'll go? Yeah? So we go get it. And we always had a couple of choices for Lauren outside the trailer too, so that we and the trailer was fairly close two Our costume trailer was very close to where you guys are getting dressed anyway, so it was just a matter of two seconds, right, Not to put you on the spot, but is there any particular story that you remember that was particularly funny that had to do with wardrobe and Lauren or Alexis or or anybody or Melissa that was memorable? And then away shape or for you know about the pajamas, right, I don't. I don't know about what Jackson, what about the jack see that's how steamless it was on the pajamas. Oh yeah, get the script at about eight o'clock at night, because you know how the scripts, they weren't too far in advance, um reading it. And then there's this description of Jackson exits the closet with pajamas on with his face I think it was what wasn't soccer? No wrestling? With his wrestling outfit from high school on? And I said a whole bunch of words like what what and but like a lot of words, what what? What? Excuse me? And that was the time where internet was just coming into being, and we borrowed the internet from the stage because you know, it was all cable then, it wasn't in the air. And I had I called and said, okay, so what time is he what's his call? Six o'clock in the morning? What time is he going to? At seven? And the production designers calling me saying, why didn't you tell me that there was about this? And I'm like, I didn't know because there was no closet in that house for them for him to come out of, so they had to be up all night making a closet door. I had to And that is another example of everyone working together. You know, we had a grip that had a nephew that lived in the senior me that was a wrestler. We got pictures from his nephew, Jackson, we called Jackson Jackson Sinnis, some pictures of him in high school. We photo shop the whole thing. I had to call in a couple of favors, got it printed. I just confidently happened to have some pajamas that were all white and at my house that were Brooks brothers, perfect size everything. And spent all night long, in the middle of the night, having this printed and had it printed, ironing it. And the funny thing is that the place it was Federal FedEx place they did scanning. It was the only place in Marina that didn't. And when I was a lot younger, he used to be a club and I just go to that club upstairs getting this scanning. Then I'm thinking, well, this is a far pride from the club day. But um, we accomplished it. When he walked out in the pajamas with you know, his face all over it, the entire crew applauded because there were so many crew members that had said, Okay, I can do this. You know I can do that, and um, you know it was funny. Yeah, great story, but Melissa, not everything was funny everything, but you know a lot of the funny was in her dressing room that I'd have to ask her if I could divulge the funny, you know. I mean we were laughing a lot. She's very funny person, just naturally talking about anything. It's the voice inflections, the way she delivers her words, her sentences are just naturally funny. It's it's it's odd, it's just such an It's just I've never she was the most talented person on that set. I always thought she would have a big career. You know, after we saw her at the Groundlings, I thought, whoa, she's gonna be on Saturday Night Live. She's going to be a big star. And she did. I saw Mara Oh really Friday Night. Wow, she is um doing a play at the looking Glass, the mar Casey. She's referring to everybody she came on and they had a casting season two on Go Ahead right, and she's she's possible for a lot of the actors going on to great careers because you know, Jemal Girls was their launching pair. Yeah, so, and it was as if we had seen each other yesterday. You know, it was just like see us, see you tomorrow, that kind of of things. So, yeah, it's very much fun. What can you tell us, uh about your experience getting the notification that the series had ended? Were you preparing for season eight? Yes? I was shocked. I know exactly where I was. It was like, well where were you and so and so? Yeah, I was doing. Um, I had like another show that I was doing, but it was more reality, so I you know, it wasn't constant. It was twice every three months or whatever, and so that's what I was doing. I was getting the personality, you know, the actor dressed. And I got a call from Patricia and she said we're canceled mm hm. And my reaction was what, you know, I mean seriously, it was what And I said, you mean the show? And I couldn't believe it. I just I was very sad. It was one of those you know, it's like a big party, not in the party sense, but it was just I didn't feel like we had a proper goodbye. It was it was kind of I felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me. Didn't you feel that it was in the offing though, because Amy, the Warner Bros. Didn't sign Amy to a two year deal. They offered her a one year deal and she felt a little slighted by that and decided to step away. I felt a little strange when she didn't come back, because you know what it's you girls, is Amy. She created that show and she put the extra something something. It's like gumbo. She just put that that thing in it that you can't describe, but it just makes it good. And I thought, I thought David Rosenthal did a great job. But how do you You can't. You can't replace something that is, you know, that unique. It's just not coming out of you know that he didn't create the character, so it's he understood them. He's a very gifted writer. He has nothing to prove anybody. I mean, he's a terrific talent. But my god, asking it's it's too much to ask somebody to take over a show like that. Oh yeah, and that was that secret sauce. You know there's something something. Um, it still tastes good. M hm. You know it was still good, but it wasn't. It wasn't Amy. That's that's all I can say. But you know, we did season seven and I was as long as Patricia was there, I was. I was good for season eight, and then we were not there. We weren't there and I understood though, I got it, but it was just that initial what Yeah, that show was done. It was every every day when I had to fit or see a lot of the characters that had been on the show for the entire time, it was just so happy. It just made me so happy. They were happy. You know. There were a couple of tears. Even the dog, even the dog before fitting thank you. It was just yeah, even even the dog. It's like, oh my god, the dog is still alive. Oh my god, bring you know, bring again please. Uh So that was kind of like the goodbye hello goodbye. Yeah, we had a three and a half months goodbye. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. It was really great. Thing that was missing was right, you know. That was the first day we went into Remember that we walked into that set and that big, that giant painting of him. Yeah, I'm getting chilled right now, you know. Uh, I just kept waiting because the piano was there, and during you know, in between takes, he would just sit and play the piano and just sang some silly song and I kept looking over at the piano expecting for him play. And we moved on from it. But he's still he still has a huge place in my heart and everyone else's heart. So that was the only thing that was missing from from everything. Right. It was a bit odd. Um. I wouldn't like to have put him in jeans. He was great. He was great in this episode two. I mean he's great in everyone, but what a what a great performance in this episode, all the fighting with emil A. He's losing his thinks he's losing his job anyway. So we're getting to the end here of our time. UM, I want to do something with it called rapid fire with you. Are you ready? I'm just gonna fire some questions that you have to answer them as fast as you can. You ready? H Come on, faster? Seatbelt? How do you take your coffee? Can you smell snow? No? Chicago exactly? Um? You know I'm doing these from memory? Uh? Are you team just team Dean or teen logan? Who's the daddy? Who that person that she went on the date with? Oh that one night stand? Okay? Huh interesting? Okay, Well, we'll find we'll find out who that is. Uh, show your binge watching right now? Made? Oh and dope sick? Oh forget made dope sick? Okay? Uh? And I think there are a couple of other questions, but I can't remember them, So I think you did pretty good on rapid Fire. What's your favorite car? Who's who? Wait? Minute, wait, who's your favorite designer? Costume designer or design? Uh? Both? Uh? Morley McGuinness costume designer and Gucci Gucci? Um? Uh city you'd want to live in the rest of your life? Have you been to the Rambo Museum here? Now? Okay? Are you going to go to the Louver? Are you? Are you gonna? Have you been? I've been to my favorite museum here in my um muse favorite say the muse. Can I ask you a serious question? Would it would it be possible to get roller skates inside the louver? And could you roller skate the entire loup? And if so, could you do it in under seven minutes? There's no chance? No, But could you get roller skates in the first place? Could you enter the louver in roller skates? You could? Oh? No, no, no, you can't. You can't it's too many people in there. You wouldn't be able to do it in seven minutes. You couldn't do it, So it's just okay. It's one of my dreams do the seven minute move and then the next day. You know, I'd take the whole day to go through, but I just want to see if I can do it. Um, Brenda, it's been amazing, Um, great catching up with you. You're one of my favorite people on that whole set. I don't know how you did it. You were always in a good mood. You were always had full of cheer and smiles. Um. You know, people, a lot of fans are very knowledgeable about shows, but a lot of a lot of people watch awards shows and they sort of chafe at the fact that, you know, there's wardrobe people up there receiving awards and like, can we just get to the actors and this kind of thing. What a lot of people don't understand is how much work and effort goes into what you do to make a show, to suspend people's disbelief, to make that stars hollow believable, so people can inhabit it. Fans and audience members can inhabit that place in a seamless way and no pun intended, seamless huh um. And you did a marvelous job. So hats off to you, and thank you for your contributions to the show because it was really a very and it's turning out now it's twenty one years after the fact, it's turning out to be this sort of like iconic. You know, it's like any day the Smithsonian is going to call and you know, send people around to the house, like where's the hat, Where's there's the shoes, Let's go about, you know, and go through my stuff. But I mean, it just it keeps growing and growing and growing as the years go by, and I don't think anybody's ever saw that coming. So it's, uh, it's a whole new generation. It's kind of fantastic because that means that all of the things that Amy wrote about still it's you know, done the test time, and there's still relevant to today's you know, the relationships between a parent and you know, daughter or son, it's it still works and that's the thing that's really important, and that brings a smile to people's faces. I've had people say to me, oh my god, did my mom and I are watching this and the mom was little at the time and watching it with hermas. It's a nice transition. Anyway, it was wonderful catching up. Thank you for taking the time out of your vacation, your Parisian vacation. Let's do this again in the not too distant future. All the best to you, much love and uh and and thank you again. Okay, it was wonderful, wonderful talking to you all right, take care. Okay. That was fantastic. I loved catching up with Brenda. I missed her so much. She was one of the things I looked forward to, uh, going to set every day seeing Brenda uh and hanging out and and having a laugh. It wasn't she fantastic? What great stories, what great insight her And wardrobe is it's so important, and I just I'm so glad that that we get to do this and let people know how important wardrobe is, because when it's off, it ruins uh any storytelling. Max were I know, I know a little bit about my craft. You know, there's there's you know, wardrobe was part of it. I love the fashion on this show, and I think what's really interesting is twenty years later, especially Laurel her clothes. You could wear them today. She looks so cool, timeless. Yes, yeah, and but yet him it's like really crazy because it's twenty years later, we're almost everything she wres. Anyway, Brenda may have been a giant in the wardrobe game for film and television, and we were blessed having her on Gilmore Girls, and we were blessed being able to talk to her from her Paris vacation. Amy, you can identify with that, with your three houses and your multiple your multi lingual international lifestyle. Do you have something interesting to reveal? What is that about this episode? But I know we're running out of time. We ran so long with Brenda because we're having such a good time talking with her. We're going to have to do a separate recap, uh recording, and we'll release that in a couple of days. And if you're a subscriber to the I M All In podcast, you'll get a notification, So subscribe right now. Give us five stars. Wow, that's a wonderful feature. So do that. Do what Amy said? Um, I've done what Amy says, and it's look look at where it's gotten me. I mean, I'm almost in one of the yachts do have something interesting to reveal. It was debating, is it is like a smaller Is it like a Sessna? You have your own airplane Sessna, But it is it is? Alright, alright, alright, Um, you have your own series of what do you have a wedding dress shop? Alright? Uh? You own a series of wedding dress shops in Europe? Alright, They're called Amy's Sugar Shack, Wedding Dresses discount. It's not a bad name. Um. Actually, open a candy store called Amy Sugar Shack. We'll do, you know, We'll open up a division of Scotty Piece, Pig Mug Coffee Amy Sugar Shack, and we're gonna have candy. We can sell candy. Yeah that I am all in chocolate. I've tried to. I've tried to make a couple of deals man for candy. Yeah. It's hard business. It's tough. It's hard. Yeah. I can't imagine to make a lot of money candy because it's like cheap. No, the margins are pretty good, yeah, the high end. But but the tough part is the shipping. In the summertime, somehow chocolate seems to melt and route, so you have to pack it with ice. I experienced that. God was it with seas some candy they couldn't have been shipped. Maybe it was my Justine's peanut butter. I'm not sure it's one of us two. And because it was so hot in the summer, gun ship, yeah, they gotta put ice in. It just gets crazy. I mean, I've listen, we're working. I mean Scottie p Sweet Shop coffees, right, we wanted to follow up with the actual candies. I was talking to so many different people. We just couldn't strike a deal. Couldn't make a nail. You gotta make a deal to keep our wheels turning on things we can do. Okay, okay, so everybody subscribe because we're not as ye. All right, so um, anyway, thank you everybody for downloading this episode that Brenda mayban very special episode and we will get back to you with another episode on the recap, which we're probably gonna do right now. Alright, So al right, everybody, thanks for download tuning in best fans on the planet. Stay safe, hey everybody, and don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In Podcast and email us at Gilmore at I Heart radio dot com. Oh you Gilmore fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company, scott ep dot com. S C O T. 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