I Am all In. I Am all In with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, I'm Scott Patterson and this is the I Am All In podcast I Heart Radio. Hey everybody. Hey Amy, Danielle Riley, Hello, Hello, Hello, what what do we just we're discussing forgiveness. Merry Christmas everybody, by the way, Merry Christmas. Yes, it's uh, it's it's it's Christmas in July and we're all you know, it's all ninety degrees and just got out of the swimming pool, but it's it's it's Christmas for God's sake, and I'm in the spirit. I just actually booked my Christmas vacation. I do it well ahead, planning ahead. Yes, well it's like, you know, there's a feeding frenzy and you got you gotta plan ahead. But so I'm really in the Christmas spirit. And what an episode that might go two weeks before Christmas. We should say, as you mentioned that a couple of times, that it's not it is not quite, but it's it's like in that anticipatory, joyful headspace everybody gets into. When you said you got uninvited to your parents fake Christmas party, I laughed out loud when Luke says that so good. Um, what an episode, My god. And I think some of the most difficult sledding emotionally speaking for for Lauren. Um, I mean she's had some tough episodes to do so far. I mean as far as you know, the type of emotional gymnastics that she has to go through on a weekly basis. But I thought this one was especially especially tough. And I was just like, why, she's getting through it beautifully and and there was, you know, a lot going on. Oh my god, she's battling her mom, she's been on roaring everybody's man at her. Um. You know, she's she's getting a little attitude from me. Uh. You know, overall, I thought it was Um, I don't. I don't know if it was my favorite episode. I thought it was a big episode. Do you think that's because you're too hard on yourself? Because I love this episode really and maybe you you don't because there is so much you in it that maybe you're judging it. No, No, it's not that. It just took us out of familiar environs and here we are in a hospital. You know that's not familiar. Set pieces that that we're used to or want to get used to. It's just so. I think they made a choice that Richard was going to have, um, you know, a health issue, and he had to go into the hospital. What I what I think it did for me is kind of jarred me out of the Gilmour world while keeping me in and at the same time, with so outside of my familiar set pieces what I know, the Dragonfly or Luke Steiner or Laurelized house or everything that we're anchored in. It almost and I don't want to say this word, I'm not. I don't want to be negative. I really don't. It almost came off like, I don't know, outside of it's familiar um um scenes, set pieces and sets, it almost felt like melodrama at at times. I'm not saying it's an interesting it's an interesting thought. It didn't bother me. For me, the hospital scenes were extraordinary. No, no, absolutely, absolutely, But I I wish they just got him out of the hospital. I wish they didn't spend so much time in the hospital. I wish they got think that's true. The hospital was probably twenty minutes of the episode. I thought your scenes with Rory were amazing your scenes with lorea lie where means amazing, You're scene with Emily amazing that scene. I like that scene. She knows, she knows, she knows you too, are a thing a hundred percent. She knew in the episode when she met you previously. She knows in this one, and I I loved it. It's it's not difficult for people of a certain maturity, a certain vintage to know what younger people are thinking and feeling. That's not difficult, It's it's obvious. The older you get, the more obvious that becomes. She knows Laura Lae, even though they have so many issues and so much drama. She knows, and that, to me, it just hits me, and I love it. Yeah, she wrecked her life with Christopher, now she's gonna reck her life with me. She's she's she's hell bent for leather yet again. I think Emily likes you. I think Emily likes Luke. I do too, And I think Luke likes Emily. Yeah. I think Luke really likes Emily, I really do. I think he's a little bit afraid of her. Um, you're so kind to her. Yeah, Well, I mean she didn't do anything to me. I mean, I don't know how much I even I am privy to the trauma going on between mother and daughter, you know, between between Laurelie and Emily. I probably don't know a lot because Laura la Are and I are not that close yet, and I don't know that she shares any of that stuff with me. I mean, I mean, I know she's I know she's probably frustrated with her mother because she comes to the diner at times is oh my mother. But I mean, have I been really so heavily like am I inner circle Luke with her such good friends and we're tight and we we sort of talk about her mother. I don't think we do love Where she's explaining Richard to you, you know, she says, I don't know what loweral lies told you, but he's a he's a really good father. And you you say, that's exactly what she told me, and whether that is a hunt of her sent the truth, it was so what she needed to hear. I mean. Kelly Bishop is an amazing actress and I love her performance in this episode. Everything is just so believable. Yeah, she's she's an old she's a pro. I mean, she's really gifted on top of being a super pro. I mean, she's just a natural. You know, it's it's you know, I don't want to I don't want to sound sexist, but women are just such better actors than just are. I think we just take that as a compliment. They just are. I mean, you take you take a mediocre actress and they're is good as the best actor. I mean it's like, you know, there's women can do anything in front of a camera. It's just it's not even fair. It's not a fair fight. But I think and that's but but in that situation, Luke is just being supportive to her. He's he's if he doesn't know that Richard's a great guy, he's probably just saying that to to be classy and to be supportive in a very difficult time because nobody knows if he's going to hang on he might die well. And maybe it's also because you know, ultimately this relationship with Morala is not going anywhere, and this woman is going to be in your life, whether your friends or more. I just saw it as the groundwork for Yeah, but he I don't think he's he's not strategic, He's not you know, thinking that way he's just in the moment and being a solid guy, being a friend. He's being a friend. He's doing exactly he was. He's saying what a friend would say. I think he's more well, he obviously feels a lot more. Yeah, but I think in this time he's he's not letting that spill over. He just wants to be a supportives as he possibly can. He's more of a friend at this point. He feels like he wants more, obviously, but at this point, you know, he's not seeing this as a way to ingratiate himself. He's just functioning as a friend. I don't think he I have the benefit of hindsight being I don't know. This episode was powerful and their relationship was like so evident between Luke and LAURELOI. Yeah, yeah, they they flow very well together, you know they are. They're not so opposite, are they. I Mean, it would appear on the service that opposites attract and they're just very different. But I think they're very very similar. I think they're both tough as nails. I think the thing that comes across for her is she's really tough. She's tough like Emily, and she when she digs her heel in, heal's in. I mean, don't don't get in her way, and she's not backing down, and I think he's the same way. So it's I think that's where it is. They're both very, very similar totally. But I thought she was so vulnerable in this episode with you, so what I thought was interesting. And again I don't want to see him sexist, but I felt like when she got that message, she starts to fall apart and Luke stepped up, almost like you want the man to do, or you want your boyfriend to do. I felt like Luke stepped up. He took control. He got everybody out of the diner. He's like, Taylor, close up, have your hot chocolate. Everything's on me, let's go. Luke took over. You know. I think it took him too long. I think it took I was waiting for him to get to kick everybody out and take action. I said, like, come on, guy, go go go. You're so hard on yourself. I thought I was wondering what is taking him so long? And then finally he It's like, why is it even a decision? Why is he hesitating? I'm not gonna lie. I was like that. That was hot of hot of Luke, like go. And then this is what I was saying to you off there before we started today when in the diner, Luke is getting everybody out and she's starting to really lose it and she says, Luke, I'm and you say, I know, let's go, and I'm atrocious actor. No, no no, no, that was very convincing. See even like even you think you suck, you're better than me. I have watched that scene three times just yesterday, and like I said, I'm shook. Like it was so I got chills. I was just like, oh my god, he's so dreamy and awesome and he's just handling this and just gets her up. He's but he's just doing anybody would do that for He would have done that for Michelle, would have done that for her if she had gotten that phone call at the Dragonfly during the day, then they all would have done that for her. And they would have been there for her at the hospital. Nope, not the way Luke did. Nope. Yes, they all would have driven her. They would have been there for you, not like the way you did where you understood why she isn't going in that room and then drive twenty miles an hour on the freeway. I guess it's icy. Do you remember shooting that? How do you shoot those driving scenes? Are you on like some weird contraption behind a car? Yeah, we're behind a We're on a rig, behind a truck. We're actually off the ground but driving. No we're no, no, we're being driven. The car is on a dolly and I mean it's actually moving. It's not like, yeah, we're being pulled around. Yeah. The cameras are set up outside the car at different angles and we just sit in the car and I act like I'm driving. I do this around the Warner Brothers set. Or do you go out? No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we go we go out into the real world and dude with a police escort. Oh yes, yes, all right, everybody gonna take a little break. When we come back, we're gonna talk about Jane Lynch. This is I Am All In Podcast with Scott Patterson I Heart Radio. Hi everybody, we're back. We're talking about Jane Lynch, forgiveness and stuff. Jane Lynch played the hospital. I guess one of the nurses check in who was preventing laure Ali from going in and seeing her dad unless she filled out all of those forms and that was not gonna or no, Emily, I'm sorry, Emily and Emily, boy, what a great scene that was. And you will see his he will see his painting in the lobby. He is one of the founders of this hospital. I immediately, WHOA, there's Jane Lynch, but I don't remember it from twenty years ago, like standing out. You know, you know why Jane lynn you know, you know why Jane Lynch is a star because Jane Lynch. I remember very distinctly that day filming with Jane Lynch, and she was not Jane Lynch yet, and and she really took that entire scene. She did those couple of scenes. She did very very meticulous about it, very seriously. She wanted to be as supportive and as good as she could be and as real as she could be. Um I was. I was very impressed. I mean most guest stars do that, but not to the extent that that she she took it. I mean, she pretty much took over the set and it was appropriate because that was her set. That was her space, her character space. That is her space, not Emily space, not my space and she behaved that way too, So I thought, how very tom Brady of her. She's perfect in that. I mean, and obviously they like her because she's she plays a great character on Mrs mais all, Oh, yeah, she's she's done. She's done beautiful work throughout her career. I mean over the last she's so and Lynch. I mean, she was Jane Lens back then. You could see the seats right there, like, wow, that girl. She's super prepared. She knows what she's doing on set. She wants to get it, not just get it right, she wants to make it great. Um. And so she was a great scene partner, right, I mean I was there for all the rehearsals, and you know I didn't I didn't really interact with her, but I saw her in action. It was it was impressive. All right, let's go, let's go back to the serious stuff and then we'll get to the fun stuff. But like, what else can you remember about those scenes? Because that's hard, Like Laurea la Lauren has to cry in multiple scenes, and then the part where she knows her dad's okay, it just loses it and then you hug her. I'm like these two people love each other, but it's you know, even though Luke and Laurel I are just friends. And I'm not denying the tremendous amount of feelings coming out of Luke and maybe maybe a colonel of of something happening on Laurels, but um, you know, circumstances have thrown these two together. But I think he's really just acting like any friend would act as supportive person. I again, I'm not trying to diminish I'm not trying to diminish it. He doesn't see it as an opportunity to to to you know, to move the ball down the field as it was on a relationship, and I I don't think he sees it that way. And that's not how I played it. That is I was there, I am the character. Don't you argue with me. Okay, but here's the beauty. We're going to bring in producer Riley and Danielle to weigh in because I know you didn't play it that way, because I think the chemistry between you and Lauren meaning Scott and Lauren, Laura lyon Luke, whatever we want to say, it is real. It's helpable. So as the viewer, you don't even have to try, because it's just there. Therefore, you don't have to play it. It's already there. You just act like you just be the friend, be the supportive person. That's it. That's the soul of any relationship anyway. At the end of the day, your friends so be a great friend. And that's all he was doing. That's all he knows how to do with her. Okay, Riley, Danielle, what do you guys think when I'm watching, I'm like, he loves her so much. It wasn't even a second thought. Boom done, dinner closed, everyone, get out, Get in my car, we're going. And then at the hospital, laurelized, like drive Rory home. He's like, yep, got it done. Like literally, it was no hesitation whatsoever, which to me as a viewer and a fan, I'm like, he loves her so much. You could you could feel the raw emotions, you could feel the intensity, you could feel it. And also even the coffee at the end, like he went out of his way to get her the coffee. I forgot about the coffee. Yep, you're so right, Scott. I'm so interested. Why you don't see it? And I don't know if it's because your Luke or you know how you did it. But these two people are in love, and I think you're just so in it you didn't even have to try have two words. Santa Burger sant the iconic Santa Burger. Hey grouchy Luke who still says it's two weeks before Christmas. Come on. He loves her. He's cool about it, he's not creepy, but he just loves her and she loves him. Uh. Well, you know, look, it's a small town. You gotta be careful. You can't push things. You know, you want people to continue to come to the diner, right and and and enjoy your food. I mean, I just you know, he's a very and whenever she says I'm not being flirty, it's because she's being flirty. It's like he looked good, yeah, and then he smiled. That's all I did. He just looked at her and smiled. Yeah. It's it's a fun relationship to play. It really is, because it's just like a couple of I don't know, it's just like a couple of really good friends who really like each other and maybe something's going to happen, but nobody's pushing it. I'm not pushing. They are a couple who just aren't together yet exactly, and Luke is being patient. He really because anybody else would. I mean, look what Max Medina is has done. I mean he's pushing. He's pushing the narrative like he's like a game show host for God's sake, and like, you know, it's take take it, take the deal now, or it's you know, it's like I want to close this deal. And and you know, Luke's just the opposite. It's like, yeah, I just think he's very he's very, very careful with her because he wants to. He respects that this is a small town. She has a daughter. He doesn't want to upset her. He doesn't want to loose who's a friendship with her, you know what I mean. I think he I think he really values that friendship. Right once they do this, there's no going back, right, no, right exactly. Rory is so comfortable with you. That's the other thing. It's like you're there in this most personal scary moment for them, and there's nothing random about you being there. It's absolutely perfectly normal that you are there. My my favorite scene, I think in the entire thing is when I'm bent down covering my head because I was avoiding seeing anybody on the guarnee, and and and and and Rory comes out and says, how are you okay looking? Huh. She just keeps It's so true. There's still laughs in there. But frankly, it would have been weird if it was Max there. That would have been uncomfortable for everybody, for Rory, for Lore life, for Emily. But you being there is like, yeah, of course Luke's there. He's he's handling this. But I think yes, because he she Laurela trusts him. She trusts that he's not going to take it too far. He's not going to take it over the line. He's just gonna be a rock solid friend to me and do everything I asked and be there for me. He's anybody else I think in that situation is is gonna you know, I don't know, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I just I just I just remember playing it like where dear friends. I'm not thinking about the relationship at all. I'm not trying to move the ball forward at all. The balls moving itself. Nobody has to move it for us. No, you know, it's just it's just it's just a question of time. It's just a matter of time, and if it's right, it's right, we'll know the moment. Yeah, And I think that's why he's so comfortable. It's like he's patient because I think he knows if this is real, it'll all work out, So I don't I don't have to push this. Yeah, I don't think he's walking away from that, you know, the next morning waking up thinking, Yeah, that's that's that's that's more coins in the bank. No, I'm gonna be making big deposits, big withdrawals soon. That's right. He doesn't have an agenda, doesn't any kind of agenda, Scott, I have a question for Luke. Answer. He's right here by the way to join us high Luke. So, how did he feel at the end of the episode when he got the new hat from water Lize. Yeah, because she's reciprocating feelings and at that moment, don't well, you don't seem smile a lot, do you? And he really smiled on that one. I mean for him, that was like consummating the relationship. I mean he he probably went home and slept with a hat. Are slept with it on. You know, that was a big deal. That was a really big deal. And another thing that really shocked me was is I used to have a lot of hair and it was all over the place and it was very long, and I just went, God, you know, things change in twenty years, don't they. You look good, Actually, you look good and I'm not being flirty. You look really good today. I was noticing, like you seem like you're like beIN and looking good and I'm like, Lorela, I'm not flirting. I you know, I played some golf, I went to the gym, I jumped in the pool, and here I am, you know, tough life, okay, speaking of two people in love like Luke and Lorely, Emily and Richard. Wow, that scene where Richard wants to talk about the money and the will and she says no, and she says, I demand to go first. I mean, I'm gonna like cry talking about it. But it's like the the ease with which she she played that scene. This is what I'm talking about. It's not fair. Women are so much better actors than men. It's just remarkable. She was remarking, I mean, you know, we've been getting some emails about what you know, people want me to shut up about talking about how we deserve Emmy's and like move on and get over it, and said, no, I'm not. I'm gonna point it out every single time the bone heads at the at the Academy are not watching this show because if they were and they saw that scene. Uh, Kelly Bishops gets nominated every single year, right, you know, it seems like Masal is getting the Emmy's because of the mistakes. They didn't give them to Gilmore. I mean because Mazel. I don't know about this recent Emmy's, but in the past they've gotten so many nominations that maybe they're making it up it right, I just think it's because it's it's worthy of getting awards. It's not like they feel like they're owed. But it's like maybe just people didn't get it how how brilliant this was, or maybe they didn't watch it enough when it was on the first time. We have to remember that people discovered it in the masses later they did. There was no you know, this was the first brush with death, and I think shows that are heavy with death, hospital shows, cop shows, that kind of thing. You know, they'll get the nominations because they're dealing with death. We we don't deal with that stuff. This is we dealt with that one time. M was sort of the first of the drama tase too. I mean, I need to like check my facts, so don't everyone cannot at me on that. But it was a full comedy with drama. Yeah, no, it was. It was a true drama ty but it but it also you know, I've had I had this discussion with my wife about the different facets of this show and how many different types of comedy there are in the show. There is, in my opinion, the funniest moments come from the most dramatic um setups, and that's where the real human that's when you come in with a knockout punch with with a funny line or a funny gesture or or or hesitate a pause or something like that. It's in a dramatic situation. And there's also kind of like sitcomy stuff in here too, so it's sort of like there's you know, there's like there's like bits that go on. So it's like they're they're they're, they're they're crossing the streams and get she's crossing the streams and getting away with it somehow totally. The opening scene is a bit but I think that provided critics or Academy members with you know, that maybe it put a little doubt in their minds to the you know, do the do the writers really know what the show is? If they don't know what the show is, if it's not you know, comedic moments coming out of dramatic situations, and it's also this sort of you know, this almost sticky kind of stuff. Um. You know, then if they don't know what the show is, and if they don't want to define the show narrowly enough for us, how how are we supposed to vote for How are we supposed to get on board with it? Because maybe they felt that that the writing was a little bit out of control and a little bit on disciplined. You know. I don't know, I can't get in their heads. But it was ahead of its time, Yes, I think it was. It seamlessly um embraced all different forms of comedy. Um. He's the opening scene where they're getting ready for the I don't even really know what they're getting ready for. The Christmas Story, the play, the in a Manger. I don't know what they're doing what are they doing? They're like getting ready to do the telling of Jesus Nativity, and the baby's missing its arm and then the dog has it in the arm. And the baby is a girl, which Danielle noticed, and not a boy. Well Rory noticed. It was like, you might want to get a doll that's not a girl. Baby Jesus, you know. And so much is happening because Kirk is back and he's being funny. But then that scene also shows us that Rory and Lorea Lie are not getting along still. There's all that tension, but it's all with this crazy hoop blah and you're seeing the town. I mean, there's so much happening in that scene. Well that's why all those characters were created, so you could do that kind of stuff. It's all sort of background. You know. Let's now we can use Miss Patty and Taylor and Sean and you know we can, really we can. We can do this scene where there's tension between mother and daughter and backdrop as the wacky town. So it keeps it light, it keeps it all very kind of light, and in that the delivery is very pleasant, but then it's sort of resonates on a deeper level because of the backdrop, because it's so contrasting. Well, and then it's so funny because that sets us up because Rory is telling Lane they're calling him our gilepsy boys. So then later on when we get the joke when Lauren makes the quick, you know, witty remark about an arcolepsy boy, I mean, it's all just so hilarious. So much time in that hospital was much time. I think it's just because you have a harder time watching you and you were in a straight twenty minutes of that show. I think I was still figuring out the character. I was still trying to find the character with the accent and you know, his level of energy and that kind of thing. And I liked I actually liked what I did in this episode because I pulled pulled it back way back. And I think that's where I'm best is if I just don't lean on it so much, you know, because I have a tendency to be a little intense. And did you think you were leaning on it too much in this I know I liked it because I was laid back and just you know, just sort of supporting, supporting supporting, supporting in this as a friend in this horrible situation, you know, and just trying to be you know and not be you know. I mean it's it's in the writing and tells you what you do anyway. So yeah, but I liked it. I liked I liked the whole thing, and I the toughest parts about the episode for me was reacting to the people that were being wheeled by and grossing me out, you know, because the whole episode, because there's just so much going on, and I think that's why it's so entertaining, and I I say, that's why we can watch it three times in two days and you're like, it's still good. Yeah, because it's a big tease for the audience because you know, all of the unanswered question is rich You're gonna die? Are Emily and Laurela are gonna reconcile our Luke and Laurela I finally gonna you know, get I mean, there's so many The tension that is that is created with with the writing is marvelous because it's coming at you from all angles all the time. Did anyone catch the Moorla calls you honey? Yes? I did catch that you know, I didn't know if it was intentional. I didn't know if she's sort of She's not a honey baby hooky type, so it was like, wow, oh, what do you make of that. I just think that he's again, and I've said it before. I just think he's afraid of her. I'm he's afraid of getting rejected by somebody that he desires so much and that he sees a future with. He wants that's his forever woman. There's nobody else for him. But he doesn't want to make the move yet. He wants to make sure that it's solid that she feels the same way. And he definitely doesn't want to screw up Rory's life by coming in. And you know, if the relationship doesn't work out, that drama for Rory, that's tension for Rory. He doesn't want that. So he is you know, he really is a throwback guy. He's a really selfless guy. Um and he's very very careful with her because he's going to survive without her, And I think that's part of his appeal to her eventually, like he's gonna be okay without me because he's Luke and he's just gonna go and he's going to open the dinner every morning, and he's gonna work hard and that's what he does and that's who he is. And um, but wouldn't life be so much sweeter with her? Right? Yeah, he's in denial by about how much happier he could be if he'd let her in. But he's so afraid of all the things you're saying. But it's like that's the unknown, you know. It's like he maybe he's not aware. He probably well, he obviously feels in the moment that it could be much sweeter, but on it consistently because he's a guy who's like a day and day out guy. What's it gonna be like every day? And he sees what she goes through with her mother and all the you know, the whacking is that the surrounding this woman that comes into her diner, his dinner like a tornado every day, you know, uh, with with the moods changing all the time, and you he honestly doesn't know if he can keep up with her. I think I think that's one of the reasons. Here's what's coming into my mind, and I can see it so vividly, the pain on your face when you saw her when you were with the reenactors and she's walking with Max through town, and it's like that face, that pain, that emotion comes back to my mind and it's like, I it's like I saw that yesterday because we all know that feeling, and Luke felt that, and it's like that's when I knew, like this guy loves her. And then everything just completely proves it. Everybody has been in that situation. That is a universal feeling. That's why I was so powerful. I don't know that it was anything I did or or that in particular, it was just everybody can relate to that. You know. Everybody has that person in their life or had that person in their life where they're just like they felt so powerless to do anything about it. Maybe it was too late, oh the one that got away. It's it's just it's just an incredibly smart way for the writers to set those characters up because it's a universal experience. Everybody has gone through that and multiple times. Yeah, I think it's really weird, But what's happening to me right now? And I want to see what everyone thinks. Two scenes stand out to me so much of the episodes we've seen so far, that moment when Luke sees her walking and I can just feel the pain. And then the other one is when Lane put her hands through that guy's hair because it was so embarrassing. And both of those scenes are like literally imprinted in my brain. And I don't know why those two are the two, but it's like, oh God, because they were non verbals. And that's the power of TV and that's the power, that's the true power of film. Oh, it's it's it's it's moving pictures. It's not called moving words. It's called moving pictures, motion pictures, pictures in motion. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, the non verbal devastation. Right, Yeah, those two are actions. I can see them. I can see them in my head. It's like Ham. All he does is talk and give speeches. He doesn't do anything right. It's a triumph of thought over action, character over plot. Alright, guys, let's take a little break. I'm Scott Patterson. This is the I Am All In podcast with My Heart Radio. We'll be back after these works. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back. We're gonna we're talking funny stuff. What's the funny stuff. Well, there is some funny stuff and there obviously narcilepsy boy A little fun fact. Lauren calls for lore Lie says that Dean is six but in real life, Jared is how lucky is six four? And I don't know if they did that on purpose or just they didn't want him to seem so gigant or well, he was what seventeen eighteen at the time. Maybe he was just six too. Oh maybe still gross, a little Grossbert, What did you think of the dinner party, the holiday fake Christmas party? I gave Dean's I gave Jared some tips on nutrition and weightlifting. Is that true? That's true. Yes, he was very concerned about it because he thought he was too lean or he wanted to know how he could bulk up. What did you say. I said, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it, That's true. I said, you'd have to bulk up when you were playing baseball. Yeah, yeah, I did, but I had, you know, and I'm like him, I'm naturally thin. And I said, there is nothing you can do about it without like completely like ruining your body because you like eat too much or something. I have no idea. I bulked up through Yeah, eating and weightlifting, and it just wasn't a good idea for sports. For for when I played baseball, it wasn't a good idea. What happens. No, I gained, you know, I gained a lot of muscle. I was, you know, I got up to about two pounds. How tall are you? I'm a shade under six one. So do you remember Jared being tall or were you pretty Eyeline with him? Now he was a little bit taller. Yeah, but he really he wanted to beef up and he wanted to like, hey, you know, what what can I do? Because I remember at that time, I was beef I was. I was working out on the gym a lot, you know, because I was on this show and my free time, I'd go work out just to you know, get my energy. And that's how I did it. So I was, I was, I was getting a little bit beefy, a little bit, you know, when I was doing it for skiing too, because I love this gate. So I wanted to be strong and powerful for skiing, not for Laura Lae. What about. Yes, that's the reason. That's what I can't talk about. That's the only reason strong and powerful. But I didn't feel like you were strong and powerful so so, but yeah, he was, and I gave him some tips. But I just said, listen, you're just gonna have to get older, I said. He said, you're gonna be thin your whole life. But if you start eating a lot of carbohydrates when you when you hit fifty five, you're gonna you're gonna put all up pounds. Just stop working out. I don't think he's quite there yet. We'll have to see, as I don't know he's as far as young. I think he's like he's ripped. He's thirty nine and he's ripped. Before we get into pop culture, Scott, it's Christmas. Can you sing us a little Christmas song to get in the mood for our pop culture moments? Sure? Yeah, yeah, I think I happen to have a guitar right here. Thank you in the Chris miss spirit because I'm assuming next week is going to be Christmas, so we really got to get ourselves sing along with me now. Jingle bells, jingle bells, Jingle all the way? Now, what fun is? One horse soup and sligh jingle bell jingle bell jingle all the way? Oh, what fun is? And on one hole Soap? And Sligh one hole soup and Sligh one horse open. Well, it's beautiful. I'm Riley and this is your pop culture. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. This song was written by Meredith Wilson. Meredith Wilson incorporated this song into his nineteen sixty three musical Here's Love. This song has been recorded by numerous artists such as Michael blue Way, Harry Connick Jr. And Megan Trainer, to name a few. How about Jimmy Hoffa says Luke. Jimmy Hoffa was an American labor union leader who served as the president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters from nineteen fifty seven to nineteen seventy one. He disappeared in nineteen seventy five and was declared dead in two because I gotta do what I gotta do. Yeah, I gotta do it. This is because he became involved with organized crime, which potentially led to his death. He was convicted of jury tampering, attempted bribery, and fraud. Do you remember the Jack Nicholson film where he played half A? Did you do you remember Halfa? Do you remember that film? Literally when he goes up to what a performance. I mean when he goes up to when he's like going toe to tell with Bobby Kennedy, who was an Attorney general at the time. He hated his guts. This is all blurry in real life and in the movie it's blurry because I gotta do what I gotta dope. Oh man, what a performance, Laura Lie. I'll never be able to understand what Charro was saying. Charo, you know, Charo was a guest on Johnny Carson Johnny Tonight Show. I don't know. She was on like almost every week, and she would come on like I mean, dressed to the nines, you know, the overflowing up top, if you know what I mean. And she did that when she wasn't on the Love Boat. But this was even before she was on I think this was even before she was on the Love Boat. She was on Carson, I mean almost weekly. He loved her. He loved her. She would come out and crack everybody up. And who doesn't love She was just so positive and full of energy and and and funny and talented and she played the flamenco guitar. Yeah, she's legit. She's legit, like talented musician singer and players she put Gucci Coucci. I got a lot of the Gucci Coucci. Charo's full name is Maria del Rosario, Mercedes Pilar Martinez Molina Beza and as we've mentioned, Charo made many appearances on the Love Boat Between n I just I just remember from the Johnny Carson Show. She was fantastic. She was a great guest. She was almost she was you know that he had some great guests, uh, Don Rickles and Dom Deloise and all those people, hysterical people. She would come out and like to stay. I mean, she wouldn't stop talking. She was just like amazing, amazing personality. Agree, Riley and Danielle. Do you know who Charo is? I know. I only know Charo because she made an appearance on Jane the Virgin, which is one of my favorite show. I thought you were gonna say, wife swap go back YouTube her Charo, Johnny Carson, just check her out. You're sitting there as a kid watching this, going do people like this really exist? Like? What is this? This is fantastic? I need one more Kuchi COUCHI from Scott Hi, Johnny Cochichi. Laurliz says, where is the Scarecrow when you need him. This reference is this to the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz American musical fantasy film produced by Metro Goldwyn Mayor. The Scarecrow joins Dorothy and the hope that the Wizard will give him a brain. The Scarecrow was played by Ray Bulger, and the face prosthetics he wore ended up leaving Marx on his face for more than a year. Yeah, they do. I lost face. What did you wear? Prosthetics? They had to put a head on a headpiece on me every morning for six weeks. When I played this alien alien nation did I played the tank Tanese commander coming to Earth doing to enslave all of the escaped uh tank Tannis and get him back on my plane for you. On that show I remember, you know it was it was It was a TV movie. It was I wasn't in the series. It was a TV movie. I remember a different show that I don't know what's called, but there was like you were like in a plane and like there was an explosion. That was that was the event on Nbcito at the show actually ended up like a plane crash. Um. That was pretty good. But you know, they would glue that headpiece on you with medical adhesive and it would take them an hour to get it off you because they had to be very careful. Um. I mean I was there. I was in the makeup chair at three thirty in the morning for for seven or eight o'clock. Called time. Makes you kind of love Luke that much more right in there. Throw a hat on, throw a little powder on me. I'm you know, I'm good. I lived six miles away from the studio. I just jam in their fifteen minutes form a call time, put my hat on. They throw a little powder on me. I'm gonna sit down on the chair. I said, just throw it up in the air. I'll run through it. I'm outta here. Oh my god. And those poor girls, I mean Laura and Alexis and the poor girls are sitting in the big up chair for hours and hours getting the hair done, the megup perfect. It's like, hey, you're telling everybody I'm gonna be a breakfast bye bye. Oh my god. Oh yeah, oh yeah. But that was a different experience. Yeah that so that rips your face apart with you that medical adhesive for six weeks like that, man, I my face was all jacked up for a year. Anyway, go ahead. Our last pop culture references from Rory Roy says, no things are still a miracle Worker at my house. Miracle Worker is a nineteen sixty two film about An Sullivan, a blind tutor to Helen Keller, directed by Arthur Pennon. Helen Keller was great friends with Mark Twain, and although Patty Duke had been playing helen Keller in the play for more than a year, she almost didn't get the part in the film adaptation. The studio felt that, being a teenager, she looked too old to play a seven year old. Also, Helen Keller wrote a total of twelve books. I'm ready to give my line, but Scott, can you do it with me? Because then it'll just be that much better? What's your line? When I said before, I'm gonna do my part and then your part is? I know? Let's go all right? Right? Okay? You want to you kind of want to do that reenacting thing. You want to you want to reenact, you want to recta getting character. I'm gonna just have to really do my best acting here. Okay, ready, you don't know, you don't you're a woman. You can do it in your sleep. I'm the one that has to prepare. I have to be serious. This is very emotional moment. Luke. I'm just cut stop right, stop it, stop it. I'm you can't smile while you're doing it. Give me some directions. I don't stop smiling. All right, listen, all right, you want to do a sense memory exercise right here? I'll get you in the movie. Yeah you got time for that, all right? So what do you what do you want? You want to be? You want to cry a little bit, you freak out a little bit. You're on the You're on the edge. You're on the verge of tears. The energy is flying around because my dad's in the hospital. I don't know what's going on. I only know to go to the hospital. I don't know where Roary is. I don't know where my mom is. No one's answering the phone. I don't know what I go. Talk to the dialect right now, go, Luke. I'm no like you were doing it before. Luke, I'm I know. Let's go. You have to say, oh, let's do it again? Okay, Oh I nailed it back time. Now I have to under yes, you do you right? Sit on and feel it, but then sit on it. Go Luke, I'm do it again again. That was good. That was good, getting better good. That was good. But but don't lose the energy. You're going limp. Now you're getting at where you need to be. But don't lose that energy. Remember Stanislavsky said, inspiration quick as flame, god acting as hard. It's not easy, Luke. I know. Let's go all close at dinner and we can drive twenty on the black ice all the way up to Hartford and you can drive me crazy on the way. You can piss and moan the whole way. Well done, guys. Wow, I felt that that was That was a pretty good performance. I thought, I thought, I thought that was good. That was good. I think you helped a lot. I mean, I'd like to try that bit again and maybe by the end of the ten years we do this podcast. Go ahead, let's do it again. We can do full scene. Find a new I'll find something new in the next episode. No, but you got you got you know what. Let me tell you something, Amy, You've got something there. There's something going on there, there's something interesting. Thank you, thank you. I'll try and I'll try and up my game. But there's some depth, there's some mystery, there's there there are layers there, Amy, Sugarman, I don't think so what's your blind you deliver girl? Okay, Mine's mind's fun though, so no problem delivering it. Um. This is from Laura Lae when Dean's tapping on the window, like trying to see Rory on Christmas or when she was at the Christmas party. Um, and she goes, you know, we have a really nice friend door. You might want to use it sometime. I just loved it. Mine is from Emily and she's, you know, going back with Jane Lynch and talking back with Laura Lae and then she stops her to tracks and she goes, Brianna, date, you have an escort st I know, I love that. You know. We actually have a listener question about this episode. So um, I'll go ahead and read it. It's from Grace. Grace Um, she wrote in and she asked, when was it decided for Luke to change the blue hat after Forgiveness and Stuff, which is the title of this episode, or was that something that Amy and Dan had planned all along to advance the Laura Lae and Luke storyline. Well, I suggested at a top secret dinner. I refer to it as the Hat dinner with Amy and Dan, and I said, listen, I have blue eyes, and I think I should have a blue hat. Good story. That's where it came from. So that's why Laura ly gives Luke the blue hat. I give good, I give good dinner. Wow, do you reme where the hat dinner was? They ordered lobster in and you went to their home or at the set? No, no, no, no, we went to a restaurant and oh oh they had lobster at the restaurant you were at. What did you have? I think if I go to a fancy schmancy place, I always get the Phili Mignon or a Prime rip or something. So it's hot, dear dinner dinner good. Yeah, we're We were in the private room too. It was a big deal. Security outside no season one, dude, no one knew who you were. Okay, give us your favorite line, take us out. What was your favorite line from this episode? I gotta tell you, um, my favorite line in the entire thing was yeah, when I just said to Rory, yeah, when I has been over it was. It's the one that made me chuckle. The most. And then because it's made me chuckle and the other the other favorite line that's not me um is Michelle. Uh what did he say when he was he was so irritated at the guy who didn't know what a um a wand was remember on the Christmas ornament on the Christmas tree when there he said, he goes, No, that's staff because he went to the shepherd. He went, he said, that's not that's not an angel with a wander. That's not a fairy fairy princess or whatever the anyway, I don't even know what the line was, but he said, he said, he Michelle kills me. I mean, he just killed. His timing is so good and he just gets so irritated with that guy. And I just laughed out loud. I mean I laughed right away. Or that was my whatever the line was, that was my favorite line. It's still like when you called it her parents fate Christmas party. That's good stuff. What's next week? What's the next episode? The next episode is Paris is burning? Oh gosh, scary. Oh wait, before we go, nobody should miss uh. Soon we're gonna put up our tutorial video of how to make the Santa Burger. Be ready for that on the Instagram and send us your own Santa Burgers. Oh my god, so yeah, I get ready for that. It's going to be fun Instagram. Listen, everybody, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to everybody. Um really, just I hope you have a wonderful holiday in July. And uh anyway, so that's so that's gonna wrap it up. Huh, good work, good episode, all right, bye. Com Hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I heart radio dot com. Oh you gil More fans. 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