I Am All In with Scott PattersonI have no one to blame but myself PART 1 (S6 E17 “I’m OK, You’re OK”)
We are not ok. We do not see eye to eye on the Luke Lorelai April Anna situation at all!
And, it’s really impossible to resolve.
Our couples are struggling. Rory and Logan / Luke and Lorelai.
Spiders in the shower, Richard and Emily are moving to Stars Hollow, Rory is messin’ with Michel’s sticky notes, and Sookie’s taquitos looked questionable.
At least Paris and Doyle are ok.
One thing we do agree on… Rory should not have gone to Anna’s store!
Things are not ok.
I am all in, I am all in with Scott Patterson and I heart Radio podcast.
Everybody Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one of them productions. iHeart radio, I heart podcasts, I heart Media by my Intrepid Crew and better than Ever Susan French tire suit. Amy Sugarman has donuts.
She's done handicads.
I heart donuts, Blomars. Who got who got to take home the most stuff after the live event?
Well?
Who took it all home?
The good stuff for the bad stuff? Because I have to. I'm like a storage un so I have to take home the bookshelve, the rug, like the wall art. You know what we don't know where it is is somebody has it. I think we have to deal with it. Danielle the giant yellow mug that said.
I wanted that to go to Scott's house because we don't want I would get it there, like save it.
But honestly, I don't want it. What am I going to do with it? It's so big.
It would be the coolest background to just have a giant yellow coffee cup behind you.
Oh that's hilarious. Oh my god, it could be the garage door. So yeah, I have my house has like the neon signs, like all this crap. I finally had to get a storage thing for the garage. Here's the rug. The yellow rug is TBD where it's going. It's a fight right now because I don't want to get rid of it.
Do you want a yellow road for any takers? Any takers about?
How about putting it in your foyer?
Seriously, we don't live in mansions like you do. Apparently, put it.
At the top of your spiral staircase.
I don't have one of those rich what.
Trying to help out?
I'll put it in my pool house. Oh wait, I don't have a pool house.
Do you have a pool? You have a pool?
I don't know. I have a pool down the store. I have a community pool.
But I don't have to have a pool for you.
I might get a hot tub if, if, if people keep listening to this podcast, I might be able to afford a hot tub.
Oh I have a nice well, I'm not gonna rub it in.
It's all right. You're Luke, So we understand that you might have a hot tub and maybe a couple other things we don't have. It's okay, you're you're Luke. For seven seasons and four movies. Starts all right.
I really enjoyed watching the live stream.
Oh my gosh, isn't it great?
It looks like a like a HBO special.
Really Well, so for anyone that still wants to watch, you can because it's going to be available for a little longer. And it's not like you're watching like crap. We shot on iPhones like it's it's professionally.
It's like real professional, expensive TV. It's not zoom video no, no, no.
Weeps dot com.
Yeah, anybody wants to buy a.
Ticket, go to veeps peeps dot com. I got a ticket anyway. Uh, we're gonna get into a little bit of I'm okay, You're okay? Was that seventeen, season six, episode seventeen? Yep?
What's your initial thought on I'm okay, You're okay?
I'm all over the place?
Really, I actually loved it.
Thought I thought it was unfocused.
It is a little a little there's a lot happening, but I was giggling the whole time.
MM, lots of bones to pick.
And right, I have a boney I'm right there in the boneyard with you, Danielle. There's something and maybe that's my favorite line has to do with bones as well. Who is doing the synopsisizations.
Danielle or Susanne Wait is gonna say we can let Danielle have her job back.
I'm oh my god, I heard he did such a good job. So I'm okay you keeping it? Why don't you go for it?
All right?
Okay, we can alternate.
Yeah, that's good idea. I like that. Yeah, okay.
So this is season six, episode seventeen, I'm okay, You're okay. It originally aired on April fourth, two thousand and six. Things are not okay with Lugan, Larelei, and Rory and Logan. Rory decides to forgive Logan a little quicker than we thought. Meanwhile, Luke is accepting gifts from someone other than larele I, plus Emily and Richard maybe moving to Stars Hollow, and Zach finally gets approval from missus Kim to Mary Lane.
So, right off the bat, what stood out to me is it's the very same moment as we left off in the episode before no time has passed. It is literally maybe five minutes later because Rory and Paris are eating the Chinese food. Now, so I thought oh, okay, cool. I like that. I liked that scene.
It was nice to see Paris and Rory having a friendship moment and not yet arguing about something mm hmm.
And they kind of just cleared up the air between like they're even between the paper and kicking around. They're like, all right, I think we're good.
And they're both like, screw these guys, Like we got us, you know, we got.
Our our friends with a sweet scene. And I was glad we didn't labor sort of like drama between them. It was just like, boom, we're good, we're good. Knock knock, knock ye on the door.
They just blew past Paris, didn't he.
That was a funny scene for me. Logan and Paris. I was like, this is actually cracking me up. And I don't want to rot it, but my best line is when he says I don't want you back. I thought that they were great together. We don't get to see them quite enough. I mean a few times, but like they had a funny ping pong and she was keeping up and so was he. It was like level up, level up. I I really enjoyed the whole open of this whole thing. Yeah, me, too.
That's good.
And then Doyle shows up with.
The jacket and the jacket and the rhyanstone jacket.
Oh my god. Yeah, like that, the whole thing was great.
That was funny, the part where he was like, oh, I almost I don't remember the exact line, but like I almost like like met.
Another girl tonight.
Laura and Rory quickly just like Chosai like, oh, it's.
Not gonna help your case, Doyle, shut up.
Funny lines. And then then the part that I sort of wanted to dig into is like we go into the you know, hallway of the apartment building where Logan and Rory are really talking, and he's like, I love you, I wanted to. I chose to be your boyfriend. I'm faithful and it wasn't hard, but we were broken up. And then they kind of have this conversation about it and she's sort of like, I guess, I guess. And then it was like, Okay, she's not she's.
Not convinced, but now she's not. She's going along with it, but she's not convinced yet.
Which we yeah, at the end we realized that, So what did you guys think of that? She kind of took him back so fast. I mean, I don't know, I like.
How to rewind the scene because I was like, did I did I miss something? Like what like she she took.
Him back so fast the same day as the wedding, Yeah, hours later.
Yeah, I just I just think she's worn down by his persistence.
Yeah.
I mean, he's just at her so much and for so long, and I think she just got worn down, and like, oh god.
It is impossible that she likes him so much. She's losing herself a little bit, Like she likes him so much that she's sort of caving because I still agree with him, right, So my opinion is he is right, he didn't cheat on her. But pretend I'm on team Rory on this. She likes him so much that she's sort of like she's not willing to lose him. She doesn't want to risk it.
I totally see that. But I also thought, like she just doesn't have a backbone. She's kind of just like doing whatever, Like she's like, all right, well, I mean I need a place to live, so I guess I'll just go back to your place instead of staying with pair. Like it just she doesn't really stand up for herself. But I also kind of agree with what you say, Amy, like maybe she really loves him, or maybe she doesn't know how she doesn't know how much she loves him, like she's trying to figure it out.
I also think Rory and Lorlai share this in common, especially in this episode. The two of them don't go towards conflict, like they try really hard avoiding it. Yeah, and so I think this was Rory's way of being like.
Okay, let's just get back together.
It's not worth like the argument and keeping this going, you know, Like I don't know, that's that's how I took it.
It was definitely a theme throughout the whole episode was each of them in parallel trying to keep the peace in their own relationships and is wrong, everything's fine, you know, like the title of the episode, I'm okay, You're okay. It's like, you know, let's just gloss over any issues because we don't want to have a big fight about it.
And Logan has maybe oh sorry, go Scott, maybe sorry, But maybe she's just giving him the benefit of the doubt, right maybe right, like she has she doesn't come one hundred percent back. It's just like okay, I'm about fifty percent back, sixty percent back.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt. If he screws up again, I'm out of here forever.
Yeah, I kind of I sort of agree with you. My other sort of just thought is of all the boyfriends, Logan is the one that sort of has what's the word, a little bit of I don't want to say power, it's not the right word. A little bit of something over her whole leverage, you know how like in a relationship, right, Like Jess and Rory were very easy. Rory had this over Dean. Logan now has it over her just a little bit, like just a tad. She's still like obviously she wasn't gonna date him when he was dating one hundred people, so she has like she's still Rory in it, but there's.
Is like wearing the pants in the relationship kind of but you're.
Something like that, right, It's like he sort of has convinced her now of this, and she's like, Okay, let's go home. You know, I don't know what I would have done in her shoes. What I think I would have done maybe is say, look, I hear you, I'm not moving back in with you. I'm gonna stay here with Paris. We're gonna talk again tomorrow. Let's let's have dinner. You know, like she sort of just became too.
Well, maybe it's maybe, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe she feels a little bit empowered now because she sees how much he needs and how lost he is with her because his desperation is real.
Wow, that's a great perspective and tracks with the end of the episode.
So it's like she probably takes like, Okay, guys are weak. My mom told me guys are like this. He's weak two and he needs me. And now this feels like a little bit more familiar territory to me because I've experienced sort of mothering Jess and mothering Deans.
So I had not even considered that until you're saying that. And what's interesting is it is how the episode tracks right, because she just bails him. She goes to stars Hollow, does not tell him, doesn't answer her phone as it's ringing and ringing and ringing, right, and at the end is sort of like, no, we're fine. But it's like, well, Scott, you might be right.
She now has psychological advantage in you. Right, It's a power shift.
Mm hm oh, I did not even someone think of that. I sort of he had it, But you're.
Right, amore, doesn't whoa?
What does everybody else think of that? I'm sort of thinking I might be changing my mind.
Shoot, I mean it does, Yeah, because the rest of the episode supports Scott's theory more than mine.
Although I was certain I was right that she's more passive to him the rest of the episode, because if you're passive, puppy dog, she's not gonna leave him for the weekend.
Yeah, I guess. And she's not answering the calls or him or doing any of that kind of stuff.
And telling him the phone die, the phone didn't die. We heard it ring ring ring ring ring. N Oh, that's true.
God, whoa with the theory that Usually we're just humbling him on how wrong he is, and in this case, Rappola.
It's like, you know, vulnerability is one thing, truth is one thing, but he's really just, you know, he's just I didn't even write for a takeover, and I don't think she's going to take full advantage of it. I just think she's going to have fun with it for a while to see if he you know, she's he's the one that's got to get the he's the one that's got to get the backbone.
Or even subconsciously she sort of has realized now, right, oh, whoa, this will be interesting.
Yeah, I mean there there is still that element of passive aggressiveness in there on Rory's part.
So it's very much I think it's out. It's not nice if your boyfriend's calling in, calling in and calling you and you don't answer, that's intentionally making that person suffer. And I'm not really a fan of that. And but it is kind of a little maniacal. Yeah.
And but then when he's like when he's talking to her, she's like, oh no, nothing's wrong, Like she's making up excuses like oh, like we said, avoiding the conflict.
So it's like she's both.
Yeah, she is both, well she kind of she does kind of have the moral high ground here somewhat correct.
You're right, she did not.
Go off and she wasn't with other guys, she wasn't dating and it was she dating anybody? No, gosh, no, I mean can you imagine that? I mean, what if she turned around and act the same way he did? And right, no, yeah, it's like it's it's it's it's an odd double standard that actually you know, isn't it play here? But it's like, just put the shoe on the other foot, horrified would he be? How turned could he be turned off? Would he just be like I'm out? I mean, geez, right, I know, it's really interesting up Logan, you know. And yeah, and then Jess came back and we had a hooton Nanny, and then Dean came back. He's single, We had a hoot Nanny and right broken up and then all of Dean's friends too, because you know they were cute, just like you did right with all the bridesmaids, right.
I mean right, So do you think if she may a pro con pro list pro con list, sorry, pro con pro that's a sorory thing.
Anyway, I think it would be in Logan's favor.
I did too. Actually, he was right about that.
Yeah, I mean he did present a logical argument. You know, he was like, in his mind they were broken up, so in his mind, there was no reason for him to not date other people. Yeah, it wasn't cheating, right, Yeah, he didn't.
He didn't go out of his way to do it, like maliciously, right, exactly, very I just think.
The fact that he turned into like he used a car salesman and had to sell it, Yeah he did. He did instead of weight you know, for a natural migration back to the center here.
Yeah, yeah, it didn't know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, I totally know what you mean. Like it wasn't sort of an emotional connection. It was like how you would think Mitcham would handle it.
Like right, right, it's still that same night, Like it's that same night and he's chasing her down trying to get her to listen to him.
It's like, just you know, at least.
Let it sit overnight and let her just you know, calm down a little bit and then maybe be you know, more rational.
But yeah, he's lost all his cool.
I think he was panicking.
He's not even Absolutely, he's in a state of panic. Absolutely.
I sort of was kind of happy that I didn't have to watch nine episodes before they got back together. I sort of was like, I'm sort of blad that was fast and I didn't have I don't know, Yeah, I wasn't into like the whole because it's almost like we've done that already.
We did do it.
Yeah know what's ahead.
To plus the episode Lust. The episode didn't have the time to do it because we had to they had to reserve space for that glorious Zach and Missus Kims, which was so good, so good.
All right, So before we get to that, now, we're going to talk a little about Luke and Lorelai, who are at the apartment above the diner, because yeah, that's where the spider is, so they're staying there, interestingly, and there's the spider apparently a lot of spiders, and she's doing her lotion, which we have analyzed before with the lotion. Lots of actors like to put on that lotion so they have something to do while they're talking. And then we we sort of the the meat of it is April's on the phone. He's going to chaperone the trip to wherever it is for the Math team or whatever, Philadelphia, Yeah, and she says you should go. And there's sort of that same like she's saying one thing but feeling many things. I think she genuinely is not lying. She wants him to go, he should go, but it's sort of she's not saying that, You're kind of like.
Right, Yeah, She's always testing him to see how he feels. Yeah, if he's sensitive to how she feels. It's always like this sort of she sends out probes, yes, yes, yes, suggestive questions and permissions and yeah, it's just how Yeah.
And I can't wait to talk about the scene where he gets the bag, but we'll talk about that, go ahead, Daniel.
I think she wants it to be his idea and not her idea, so, you know, like you never want to be on that side of things being like, well, I need to meet your daughter, I need to do this, like he she really wants him to come to the table with it. Yeah, And I think that's why she's sending out those you know, those little feelers.
Yeah, she wants him to realize what he's doing without her having to tell him what he's doing.
Yeah.
I also never thought about this until watching back last night.
April's a lot like Rory.
Like it just made me think that, like April is Luke's Rory because she's so smart and like she didn't grow up with her dad and now her dad is like reaching out again. It like was this parallel that I noticed that I haven't noticed before.
That's good, Yeah, and she's so well behaved, and she's so well behaved open to this relationship. She's not like filled with teenage anks. She's very like smart girl, can't you come? You know whatever you want to come?
Like she does a cool mom too, like yeah, Anna's cool, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I kind of see April ahead of Rory at that age. Anyway. Oh yeah, I see April going into you know, Yale at next year at thirteen.
She's like yeah once at the head of Rory, like no problem.
I think the thing too, I like about the scene is there's sort of this heavy meat, but then we're still getting these funny lines, like when I think you must say something like what do you want to do through spiders, We'll take them outside and try and put them near a talking pig.
That's that's that's Amy and Dan's homage, or they didn't write this episode, but the writer's homage to the Woody Allen film. I think it's Annie Hall.
Oh was it kind of like that? I've never said Cornering.
The Lobster and at the Beach? Oh, no way, do you remember that film?
And I never saw it. I know the film Yankee he.
Tried to date somebody other than Anny Hall and Annie Hall I forget. It doesn't matter anyway.
So then we go to the apartment and they're sort of jiggering around with the apartment. They're all kind of moved back in, and the TV's facing the direction one direction. Not where are they going to sleep? Are they going to get their own place when they're married? Kiss? Kiss? Sort of? You know you haven't told missus Kim. We kind of get the setup for that, did anybody, Like let's say it?
Oh god, Avidy catch Zach me and like we can finally have sex.
We all heard it.
Plane's like, excuse me, Yeah, what a dude.
I know, He's like, what exactly. I just love that they have those bunk beds in the living room. It's just like that apartment is so like classic but it's cute. It's just a nothing burger, but it's like a setup.
Yeah, And then they said about after Lane walks out, and Zack and Bryant said, wait, wasn't the TV facing the other direction? And they're like, oh, yeah, you're right, and they go and they move it like two inches.
I know, I know, I know. That was so good and that old TV that's so old mouth like, oh yeah, nineteen seventy four, it's so good. Okay, So then we go to the diner and Lore lies there and I think in a blue coat, and Luke is sewing the dethel bag. So we start to have this sort of again a very nothing but it has a lot to it.
Can we go back to the blue coat for a minute, because I loved about blue coat. It was like a blue, kind of velvety, like a peacock blue. I thought it was really pretty.
And then in the.
Same scene, Rory comes in and she had the cutest cardigan, like it was like a button up cardigan with a hood, and then had little palm palms hanging.
Off the hood.
I just thought both of those things were adorable.
That's why I agree. I I think the fashion is always amazing and you really notice certain things. So I agree with you that fully. Yeah. So she wants to buy the luggage. She doesn't want the luggage, and there's sort of the moment with Rory and the ring the ring at the time, and uh, Luke had forgotten to tell Laura LII about the ring. There's a funny line about a Toomey store. It's all very funny and sort of multiple things are happening, but obviously the importance of sort of she wants to buy him this luggage and he's sort of like, I don't need it, and I don't think he's being a jerk about it. He's sort of like, I don't need it. But there's such an important moment later.
Yeah.
Yeah, And also in this scene, Rory just very like nonchant chalantly tells Laura lie, oh, I'm back with Logan by the way.
Yeah, and we're kind of like, what are you doing there? What is she doing in star sool? We don't really know, but it's like a little suspect but okay, And obviously Laurela is not fine with it that there's I.
Feel like she just can't say anything because, like, you know, twelve hours ago they were broken up and now they're fine, Like and I think it's at that point Laurel lies like she's an adult, she just has to deal with her own relationships.
Yeah.
And last time, the last time Laurela I gave a negative opinion, Rory like took off exactly out at her grandparents' house. So yeah, I'm afraid, like I don't want to argue with her about this because she'll just disappear again.
And Scott, what's your take on the Duffel bag and the wanting not the luggage. It's hard to analyze fully because we need to address the end.
But like, well, he doesn't want to spend money frivolously when he doesn't need it. He's not a big traveler. He is, always has been, always will be. He doesn't want her spending money frivolously on him. It's nothing personal. I know he understands it would make her feel good. He understands what she's getting at, you know. I know you want to be me to need you more. And it would be nice to win the competition of who's going to get me the new bag, But nobody's getting me a new bag. I'm just going to sew it up. And that's just his jam, you know.
And then yeah, and I just want to say this now because I can't hold it back. And we'll talk about it more when we get there. He handles the devil Bag from Anna perfectly in my opinion, but we'll we'll get there. So before that, I also there's a big reference to s'mores. He's going to make Rory smores, which is kind of random.
But I think I think the question is do you think I think Here's what I think. I think Luke is aware what she's doing. He just doesn't want to get involved in it. He doesn't want to give it any energy. You know, he doesn't I.
Mean later or now at this point.
He knows what she's angling at and he understands the stakes. He just doesn't want to give it any credence or energy, you know, because because because he knows that she's a little wound up about this, and he's doing I think everything he can just to call him, you know, to put I get.
I think you're right.
I guess on the fire, It's like.
I think that's clear at the end to Suzanne. I think he really told the truth about the bag without he volunteers the information. Oh Anna brought it by. He is.
She He knows that that Laurel is a little worked up about this, and you know, and I don't know.
I don't know. I don't think.
I don't think he's reading between the lines because Laurel is being rather obtuse about her feelings about out the whole thing, and I don't think Luke knows where she's at.
I think it's obvious the way.
Did he really the information.
I don't think he know.
The way she's like sort of hanging around these lines and throwing because.
She's going along with everything he says, like he he doesn't want her to see April. Okay, like we find out in this episode, she still has never met April.
But I think that it's not easy.
Well, and we find out that what she knows about Anna she heard from Miss Patty. She still has never had a conversation with Luke about it. So I think he's just oblivious.
I don't think so.
I don't know. Yeah, he can go through all that being completely cut off from how she's feeling and what she's trying to communicate.
I think you're right, that's why he volunteers the bags from Anna. But go ahead.
I'm kind of like in the middle of both of both of these conversations because I don't think he volunteered the information about Anna on the bag. Lorlay had to start the conversation about the Duffel bag, and then he was like, oh Anna gave that to me. It'd be different if it was he.
But he tells right away because she could have thought he bought it. He doesn't know that Rory has gone to the store, so she only has that information from Rory. Luke has no idea, so she immediately, Oh, I see you got a bag, which is right there on the counter for her eyes to see. If he wanted to be like weird about it, he could have been like, oh yeah.
But that's my point. She is the one that started the conversation, Oh you have that bag.
Oh, by the way, he's upstairs on the phone with the cheese guy or whatever. He's not going to be like, oh, by the way, if you happen to randomly see that bag on the counter, he's not finding anything.
No, he finan fine. But I think if Lorlai hadn't said that, he wouldn't have told her, oh, hey, I got this gift.
Because he doesn't give a rat a baby moment. And that's what was clear to me.
He I think, I think, and he just doesn't want to make it a thing at all. He doesn't need the aeration. He doesn't he know, he knows it's World War three, could happen at any moment. This is a really explosive situation, and he gets that. He understands that being competitive, and there's a little bit of jealousy and she feels shut up. But that's and I think that's why how he's doing it.
You know, he's he's not making any move to reassure her. If his life is that upset, wouldn't he want to reassure her something.
He is doing that by being chill af he's reassured.
That's what Lorlai wants. She doesn't want.
But he's saying, I don't know. Look, I think he's being steady. I think there is something to what Scott's saying. He's being very steady and very to serve his aunts. By being so steady, if he stirs it up and makes.
The whole thing outserve the relationship. Say that again, preserve the relation. To Susanne's comment, preserve the relationship ultimately, because it could blow up into a huge fire any moment.
I also think his energy, which is not a fault to him, but his energy right now is very much into April, Like that is where his energy is. And you can't even just tell that with like the fact that he didn't even tell Lorelai Lane is engaged, you know, like those little things that he's like not like he's not putting all his energy right now into his relationship with Lorelai, which is what he was doing for a while. You know, that was his girl forever. So like there's definitely an energy shift.
Right, Yeah, but that's who he is. That's the type of you've met those people. Yeah, Now now they're doing this because that needs that attention. They can't split up their energy the way some people can.
I also think this whole thing is so big, right, Like you find out you have a kid twelve years later, that's so massive that if you then come with a lot of energy, good or bad into the relationship, like this is what you think, now we need to talk about this awful. It's so much that everything will include. The only option to handling something this major is with calm and steadiness.
Many would argue in conjunction with your partner, you know what I mean, like and that that second half is not there.
I mean he's he's basically he seems to think that he has to choose between he either can be April's dad or he can be larealized fiance.
Actually I don't actually don't agree.
That with that. I disagree with that. I think in this moment, sure, but again he's you know, this is a massive wave that just whacked him.
Are right, but it's been last six months. It's it's we're in April.
And it's a kid, it's a human kid. My thing is he wants to develop a and I think rightfully, so he wants to develop a father daughter relationship. First. He's not saying he's not eventually going to do a father stepmother relationship, but he doesn't even have If you change the dichotomy, right, say say he changed everything and he's like, it's great to meet you. This is my fiance, Lorilai. We're going to get to know you. That's one way to do it. But it's a very different relationship coming in as a two than him saying, first, I need to be easy about this. I need to be a father. I want to have a relationship with her. I want to go on the math treat retreat, whatever is right.
And I mean we've had this conversation before. There's nothing wrong with that. But she hasn't even met April.
Well maybe it's not.
That's that's a problem for me.
I don't know.
Is there a moment where Lorela goes to Luke and says, Hey, I just want you to know something. I'm one hundred percent supportive. I got your back here, I get what you're doing and anything I can do to help let me know.
I wish she would beating around the booshe prepending like.
She's because she doesn't do that and she is sending her.
Can I just say one thing really quick? Yes, but I have a right Scott.
I love that.
If Luray said that, I would have loved that. Yes, But in the same breath, it shouldn't be on her to say that.
I disagree Danielle Tomorrow.
Why he would do it for her? And he has done it for her, and that's who he is. Why can't he get that level of respect and selflessness and selfless behavior because the child's future is at stake and her laurelized whole world revolves around Rory, and everything's Rory, Rory Roy and everybody in the township and Ry and Luke said, Rory Rory, he hasn't sacrificed for war. Now he is a kid.
It's maybe right, I'm agree, Maybe it's.
His turn that the people in his life do him the way he offered himself for all those years.
I totally agree, Danielle.
Let me say they rallying around him question.
I have a way to solve this. Okay, you know what I'm gonna ask you.
I know exactly what you're gonna ask me.
Go for it, John Moreno ditches you or Angelina Jolie. Tomorrow you've got a kid, then you meet somebody.
Well, you don't have to worry about it because that's not going to last very long.
In like a week, When are you going to introduce your kid to another potential father? FI?
That's huge.
I think you're comparing apples. That's very different, absolutely zero comparison. You're talking about a kid that I have completely raised my entire life, bringing in a new person to that it doesn't matter different.
Well, I disagree because here's why. It's to each his own. So if you told me you want to introduce him, your kid to your new boyfriend Brad Pitt in two months, fine, But if you want to do it in ten years, fine. The person that gets to make that decision is the parent. So Luke gets to make that decision himself.
But I agree, I do agree with it.
You don't because you're all like, why is he introducing you? No?
No, I agree that it's up to Luke to decide what he wants to do. It is his decision, and that's why Lorelai is not. That's you're kind of proving my point, to be completely honest with you, because my point is it shouldn't be up to Lorelai to say, hey, I really want to be you know, suppose said you, and.
Luke has been clear with her he is not ready yet for them to be of them with April, whether subconsciously clearly, we all know it.
And Luke certainly isn't going to come around and be accommodative if if Laurela I is spinning around, uh like the wash cycle, you.
Know, well he's not read. And also, guys.
What are you talking about? She did it through the entire episode.
I agree with you at she exactly He's right you guys. And also, a man listens to us, A man listens to what a woman says. They're not mind readers, right, We're all women are like overthinking it all in our minds. Right. A man listens to what a woman says, and everything she has actually said in words is we should postpone the wedding. Oh are you sure, yes, let's postpone the wedding. No, I'm good, I understand. I'll be back at the diner at eight fifteen after she's left. Everything she is indicating with human words is making Luke, who is a man fairly you know, not an overthinking man. Every indication is it's basically fine. She even says, no, you should go. He wasn't even gonna go on the math thing, and she says no, you should go. So you don't get to have it both ways and be like, no, you should go. But behind the scenes, I'm all but heard about it. No, Well, but I mean she she's not.
It's not that she doesn't want them to have a relationship.
She wants him to have a.
Relationship with his daughter, but she would like to at least meet her.
The whole rest of the town is not ready.
But why not respect the fact that he's not ready for that yet? And why not respect that has been there for you? Maybe is an entire adult life making sure that that Rory stays on the right path and helps her out as a friend for all those years, where's the respect coming back? And now he's being described as something he's out of touch, and he's like, oh, a typical guy. It's all about him. Yeah, right now, it's all about him and his daughter.
And he's making the joice everyone else into the town.
Because they're not going to be the mother figure. He is not ready yet to have the person enter in that is going to play a mother figure in her life.
Okay, but what if they were already married when April came.
And maybe he would say, I'm gonna get to know her on my own and then I will bring her in when she's ready to Because he may be making that decision. She has a mother, you guys, and that may be bringing in another mother figure, maybe something that he's taking slower, or it feels like he needs to discuss with Anna and guess what he does. Because if I was Anna and I had a kid and all of a sudden she wants to meet her dad, Okay, fine, I'll process that. Fine, Suddenly she's going to have another woman that's raising her kid. That's a conversation that needs to be discussed and handled very appropriately out of respect for Anna too. That's the mom and you kind of look, people disagree with me, but in my opinion you kind of defer to that that person matters, and yeah, lor might not go into the store and all that sketchy. I agree.
The one thing that I was going to say is would it be different if and this is obviously like, I mean, I've never been in a situation, but I mean April didn't even know about Luke, So would it be different if he introduced Laura Lai, Like, hey, this is my fiance because he does have a life without her, and that's totally fine, that's understandable, But then like take his time with her to at least introduce her.
It would be fine if that's what the dad wants to do. The dad and mom get to decide what happens with a kid, not the town, not us, not Loralai. Sorry, I'm getting like, I don't mean to cut everyone off. I need to agree. Luke has made the decision that's right for him. Is it right for Suzanne, clearly not. Is it right for Danielle clearly not? But it is right for him. So I come from the place of I gotta have some respect for what he's making the decision, because that's the decision he's making for his kid. It's his kid, right, how.
Many kids out there don't get enough attention from either parent or get any attention from any parent. And look what he's doing. Where's the positive What are the positive comments about what he's taking his time? He's saying, I'm going to focus on my daughter right now. I didn't know she existed. Wow, what a mind scrambling situation. And I'm taking responsibility here because I didn't know about this. But now here, I am thrust into a situation and I'm going to rise to the occasion. Where's where's the admiration?
I don't think anyone's disputing that, mad No, no, no, no.
This is not a situation where you know what takes precedence. Here is what laurelized not getting now that she got before, She's still gonna get it. It's just delayed right now. That's exactly larger, a larger situation, that's exact. And if her ego can't handle it, then her ego can't handle that's right.
And also the kid, a twelve year old kid is already meeting their father for the first time. Oh god, it may be too overwhelming, in Luke's opinion, to have her also meet her stepmother all in one.
Like, okay, but again, if they were already married, would he make Lreli move out so that he caniculous.
Not doing that.
Here's the thing, he's not moving.
They're not married.
Even if he's keeping.
He's intentionally keeping Lorelei and April apart. And after six months. I don't understand why they can't even like share a handshake and.
Say he's not ready and we have to waiting for it because he's not. It's because.
It's not up to laurel I. This is this is up to Luke.
Okay, So Suzanne, say, my parents are divorced and my dad has a new somebody, who is it up to when I meet her? Me and my dad, not her. She doesn't get to decide.
It's up to my she should be deciding. I'm saying that she should be able to meet April like he should.
I think.
I think, hang on, it's up to April. It's her April, because how many times he.
Never asked because he's not ready. We have to respect that.
We don't know that yet, we don't know all of the conversations that they're having. Obviously, April has said I'm not ready yet. This he's not ready, oh, or he's not ready. No, nobody's ready. You know, we're putting they have to be ready.
I admitted that, and that is fine, that he's not ready.
Yeah, I think I think the thing is is that Amy and Scott your points are one hundred percent valid. Like, I completely agree with you. I think it is up to Luke, it is up to April. It's up to them to figure out when it's the right time to infiltrate Loreli into their relationship. I totally agree with that. Yet in the same breath, it still doesn't sit well with me in the sense that it's like, what what is holding back Luke from bringing.
We don't know that, And that's sort of the craft of the writers causing this consternation in totally all of us because we don't have any of the answers. We're not privy to the private conversations of Luke and April. And also, you know, oftentimes the best right is what is not written. Well, let me go to you this way very actively participating in this.
You know, six months is not a long time. I would not meet someone's children in six months. I would definitely make it be years, not six months. So that's all I can say too, is like, and most people when they get and say, I understand that this is a different situation, but let's just pretend for the conversation two people get divorced. I know very, very few people that are okay with their kids. Meeting their new significant other six months in a standard is like be together, and look, some people do it different. I have plenty of friends that are like, I've been dating someone two months, he's met my kids. Fine, that's totally fine if that's what you want to do. I know other people that have been dating for two years and they haven't met the kids. So it's like, but.
That's a completely different situation, Like a parent child pair. Bringing in a new adult is different than two adults.
And disagree her together. I understand where you're coming from, but here's why I disagree. It's up to the person, right, so, and it's still a child meeting her dad and someone else. It's very overwhelming, and they may have decided this is the right way for them, and.
We let's let's let's game theory it out right. Let's say, okay, April and and Laurel I meet and they hit it off right away, and it's fantastic, It's even better than and then Anna gets triggered and it's a whole thing, and that causes the breakup of Look and Laurel I because we've got to take care of the kid. Kids hurt Laurel I.
So well, Okay, we're not there yet right.
In the.
I want to ask the panel. I'm want to ask the panel here, how would you feel and would you feel it's justified? Maybe I'm not asking it the right way. If it is okay, if you want to place a value, because we're all placing values on these relationships, father, daughter, Luke, Laurel. You know the value of this, and we know the value of it to the fans of the show, but in real life, let's put in real life terms. The value here is is the Luke Apral relationship more important than the Luke Laureli relationship? Would Luke sacrifice the Luke Laureli relationship in order to preserve his relationship with his daughter and make sure that his daughter is doing the right thing, is guided the right way, and would not make him a good guy if he did that? And he went to Laurel I one day and say Listen, this isn't going to work out. You know, she really needs me and I've got to focus on her. And I know I can't give you what you need because I'm not that kind of guy or whatever it is. Does this make him less of a person.
It's the toughest choice ever. But you might have to make it right. I don't think you do, though.
That was my point earlier that I started to try to make was that he doesn't have to sacrifice one for the other. He can have a relationship with both of them. An adult can have a relationship with another adult and their child at the same time.
Correct, But he doesn't want to bring a third person into his relationship. You're saying both things. He is having a relationship with April, and he still has a good relationship with Lreli.
He doesn't though he's totally pushing away out. No, No, he's made a relation, not have her involved.
Whether he's aware of it or not. He's protecting his child from a relationship with Lorelai in April that is either really good or really bad, and it's only to have the same effect on it, and.
It's only in the moment. He has never said future, just in this moment. Six months not a lot of time to get to know a human kid. He is just making that decision for right now, and I respect it. You all don't have to because it might not be right for you, But for me, I get it. I respect it, and it's his choice and Anna's choice. More than anybody's choice. It is his choice.
And I feel like you're right. He's never said anything into the future, but that can be taken both ways, because he's also not said you will meet April Sunday. He's not saying anything that's right.
Well, maybe he doesn't feel comfortable making that kind of a promise exactly.
And this is the thing, this is the deal, whatever order, it happens. If you are with somebody who has kids, and this goes for Luke, with Loralai and Rory, you have to be willing to play by their rules. It's a choice that happens if you entering into a relationship. So say Laura Lai had certain things about Rory, right, she sure didn't want Max parenting Rory. That was a no, no no. And also we all had a big problem that Laura Lai was dating the teacher. There's a lot of things that blur the lines. Right, Laura is not freaking perfect. So my thing is you defer to the parents. It doesn't matter if Anna is a the worst person, beautch of the planet. That is the mom. So whether Lauralai likes it or not, she gets pull position essentially, And that's just the way the world works with parents and kids.
Right right. And I'm not saying it's it's an ideal situation for Lauralai. It's a difficult situation to be in, right. She is. She's having some difficulty she should be having anybody would be having difficulty with this situation because.
She's second place, right, She's a second place right now?
She's not in second place? Yes, she is.
She is.
She's not you guys, she's.
Not well, she's she's number one in his heart. But now he's okay.
If if Lurla asked lou K, can we get dinner tonight? And April asked, lou K can we get dinner tonight, who's he having dinner with?
Guess what? Though? That doesn't make a second place? That doesn't make that doesn't there's enough.
Priority right now? Is April okay?
So might be his thing?
Is you know, I think I don't think Lorelai is being a pain in the answer about everything. I think she's being pretty great. But she's being pretty great about it.
Priority thing.
I think she's being supportive, and I think she's been is.
She's it's hard, this is hard, and she's having a quote hard time.
But I think she's handling it very well.
But I want to address this priority thing because my thing is priority is different than love. He can love Lorelai and April equally. Say you're a mom and and your boyfriend wants to have dinner tonight, but you're kid's got Violin lessons. Is it you're not my top priority because I have to take my kids to Violin. No, it's just it's just the world works. It doesn't mean that he loves Lorelai any less because he's having dinner with April. It is your kid, you are. If you pick Laureli over your kid, you're a big toolbag. Your kid has priority, But it doesn't mean your second position or you love them less. Danielle, I guarantee you I didn't.
I didn't say love love less. That was not coming from me, But I do I still stand by it. I think his energy is completely shifted off Lorelai and is on April right now, like I do. I do feel that, And that's basically all I'm trying to say is right now, his focus, his attention is it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong.
No, I agree, yeah, I agree with and now and and the now that it's been so long, the expectation is that Lorelei just doesn't interact with April at all, Like I don't see ever gonna.
Taste like a blink. Think of how fast six months goes. I don't peo, don't even know how to play tickleball in six months to get to know a kid.
Take the number off of it. It's just now become the expectation that Lorelei doesn't get to know April. And that's just how it is. It's not even a conversation anymore now for now. Luke's not saying for now, this is how it is.
But it is for now, Like if you date a person with a kid, it is a whole different set of rules. Now I understand that it's all backwards, right because of the way this went down, So he could have chosen to do it differently, but he didn't and we have to respect that the parent kind of guides it and the significant other needs to adapt to that, and if they don't like it, then they have to leave. If Laura like doesn't like it, she's like, I'm not having this. I need to be in this kid's life, then guess what. She has the choice to not be in the relationship with Luke. But what she doesn't have is the flex to be like, you're gonna do with your kid? What I say this is just in my.
Opinion, Yeah, she's not doing that. I agree, she's she's never asked that.
That's that's not any of what y'all want, because she's saying you need.
To acknowledge her feelings.
That's what about Wait a minute, what about what Luke's not getting?
He doesn't even know what her feelings are because everything she says is like, it's fine, I'm fine, go on the trip. Sorry, Scott, go ahead.
But I mean you're also saying that he does know and that he can.
Yeah, your thing this is he knows that this is so major and could be the thing that breaks them up. Right, So what he's doing is just being steady and he's that's why when she asked, Oh, I see, there's luggage. He is very forthcoming. April dropped that off because she had it at the store and knew I was going. He doesn't lie, he doesn't even fudge the truth. He's so forthcoming with it. So like I thought, he did the right thing. And I know we're half an episode from tom.
He also didn't cancel the wedding. He postponed it, so.
That's I'm so mad about that. She told him to.
I know, But I'm saying, just like he's taking the time, and so I do see that, but I'm saying, like, it's not like Lorlai will never ever ever meet April. He's just taking his time. And that's the thing. It's like there was never a discussion like you will never meet her, this is my daughter. You are not crossing paths like that never happened.
You know.
At the moment right now, Yeah, definitely not crossing paths. You're not at the diner at the same time like in this moment. That is because the reality, Yeah, many people that's.
Appro Laurli has one move here. There's only one move here for her, and that is to be as supportive as she possibly and as supportive and as understanding as she possibly can, because that's what a great partner does.
I totally agree with you.
It is he did it for her his entire adult life. That's what great partners do. They understand and they are there for you.
I agree with you.
And it doesn't matter how much sunshine is shining on you in any particular day. You gotta take take one for the team sometimes. And I mean if if a kid showing up after twelve years out of the blue is in a situation where you got to take one for the team, then you shouldn't be on the team.
I agree, he's taking one for the team. I'm not disputing that, but you're but Suzanne is ready for Lorelei to meet April and Luke isn't, So it doesn't really matter what Scott saying.
Then you shouldn't be on the team. Is literally leading me to my very next point. This wedding is not going to happen. And I haven't seen the series and I don't know anything that's happening. But if I had a crystal ball right now, this wedding is not happening.
Well you'll see it definitely doesn't feel postponed. It feels canceled.
Oh I disagree. It feels totally postponed to me because.
Because there's not been one word about the wedding.
Not true. They talked about it in Vineyard in the videos.
I was just going to say, except for the we'll have lobster in our wedding, that's the last thing anybody has ever said. I was like yesterday, that was literally like that was that was three months ago.
What month is it now, April?
This episode aired in April.
Well, what month is it in Gilmore World?
It's April? Six months? Six months is irrelevant. We do not know how much access or how much time Luke and April are spending together, given April schedule, and she lives with her mother, so her mother's running that show, so he's at her back and call. It's not up to Luke. He's on April and Anna's time table, when he can see her, when they can spend time. So maybe it's just these little chunks of time. Maybe maybe once a week, couple times. So six months is nothing to try to get.
Could be ten, It could be every other week. For all we know, he's maybe seen her twenty five times. We don't even know all.
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