I am all in. I am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All right, everybody, Scott Patterson, I'm all in podcast. I Heart Radio, one of leven productions. We have had a tsunami, a tsunami of responses emails coming in over the last recap episode haunted leg and I wanted to address it. I I really think it's important to address it because, as I said to Amy in our initial phone call, Um, when I pictured the idea, which I thought was such an original idea of a of a rewatch podcast, I didn't know there were thirty thousand of them already on you, which it just shows you how slow my brain works. Um. Um, you know, I said to her, the most important thing to me is that the fans are served here that we cannot usurp or you know, try to grandstand or or in any way, um walk into the Church of Gilmore and defy all the place. And I think I did that on this last episode. And I want to first and foremost apologize to you, Amy for talking over I think I don't want to get into an argument and talk over you. When I'm trying to apologize, I interrupt you every every episode. I see your comments, I see your comments. I get excited. I can't help myself, right, but we just get excited. We care. Here's the thing. And I don't mean to trash guys, but if it was a bunch of guys reacting oh this, that I would go. You know, I understand guys when men, I think I place women higher than I do. Man, I just do. They're more emotionally intelligent, they're more in tune with shows like this. This fan base is is mostly women. It's most it's like women. And uh, my entire life, I have been guided by emotionally mature, intelligent women. Otherwise I'd be a total wreck. And women have saved my ass countless times in my life. And when women speak out and say, Scott, check yourself a little bit, I listen. So I'm listening to you. I appreciate this. I love you, guys, Daniel. I apologize if I have been talking over you. I've been too aggressive. You're so nice. So after we taped the episode that aired, Scott called me the next morning and call to me to apologize, and I was like, you have the whole thing to apologize for, Like nothing is more fun for me. Than when we're talking about these episodes, because it's like we were so passionate about this show, Like I love this show so much, so it's like nothing. I do enjoy hearing a different perspective too, you know, like it wouldn't be fun if it was just the same perspective, like exactly like seeing from your lens, even though ours was totally right and Scott correct, we want to hear it. I'm just kidding, a lot of people agree with you. You know, people don't like Christopher. I happen to love him, so I think that's the other thing. It's like you don't care for Christopher, where I'm just like Doe ide for Christopher. I love him, But it doesn't give me the right to to stop listening to you because you're not agreeing with me. And I want to be better at that. So I want to appreciate that. But I think you always listen. But listen. We I told you in that initial phone call. The fans are gonna shape this. We're going into this kind of blind I know this. I know this show is is sacred to people. It gives them a great deal of comfort. The last thing I want to do is gives them any kind of stress. UM, I just happened to be UM. And there's a lot of reasons for it. UM A little bit forceful sometimes, UM. And you know we also are passionate. You look are Luke. So whether you are an actor portraying Luke over these many years, like you are Luke, you care about him so much so we want to hear what Luke has to say. So here's here's what I'm gonna try to do. I'm gonna try to and I think and one comment really open my eyes. And I'm telling you, the comments are so intelligent, they're so insightful, and it's amazing this fan base read them as we read them. I didn't read them all. I couldn't get through them all I was. You know, I almost had a breakdown. I couldn't. I got through about four of them, what I said, all right, another one for me, another one. I read them all that for some reason, if someone missed last week, you might want to go back right now and give it a clicker too, because it got hot. But I gotta tell you, I love doing this. I've never had so much fun doing anything in my professional career. And I love you guys, and we are having such a good time doing this. I do get passionate. I think what I'm going to try to do. It's one of the comments that I was I was about to comment on is try to separate, And it was such an insightful comment. Um. It was trying to separate Luke from Scott and try to look at a little more objectively like a fan would look at it. I'm looking at it. It's like too much inside baseball kind of thing. But that's what we like because I get it. But it doesn't because you may have seen from my background acting, which was a lot better than I give your credit for, I just got a little jealous, very bad. It was very very bad because I know I can't do it like that, Um, which is why I never attempted background acting. Um, but I'm listen. I hear you, I hear you, Gang, I hear everybody, and you should be able to listen to this podcast about this fantastic show filled with people that I truly love. Um. It's an experience and it continues to change my life and improve my life for the better. And if you're saying this, then I'm gonna work on myself and I'm going to try to to be a little less um forceful with my opinion. But I think I think opinions. If you know, I stand by my opinions. It's just it's it's it's not having the opinion, it's how the opinion is is served. And I just think I'm serving the opinion a little hot. I'm gonna take it out of the oven sooner, let it cool off, and then I'll serve it. Ready, I mean, let's do it. Let's do it today. I can't wait to see what he's thinking. Anyway, greatest fans in the world. They are the smartest, nicest people, by the way, I agree, they are so nice. But the comments are so so smart, Like keep them coming. They do. They know this show a heck of a lot better than I do. And I was in it. It's like not even a fair fight. But thank you, thank you for the comments. And we're gonna we do want to make this UM a fan friendly event. Every single time you tune in. We don't want you to feel like there's going to be any kind of toxicity. So we've got an expert coming in. They're going to clear out the toxicity and then we're going to continue anyway. I almost I almost shout a team low again because you can't help. But like, you're still going to have a show, and we're not all going to agree. Like I am going to be team Logan. I do love me some Jess, but I'm always gonna be team Logan. So it's like we're gonna disagree on things we are. That's fine. I can't wait to see you about this episode because I have like some get into it because I have something. Okay, I after this episode was over, Uh and we're wait a minute, so who's who's going to do our synopsis? Take the synopsis away. So this is season three, episode three, Application Anxiety, original air day, October eight, two two. When Rory's Harvard application arrives, her confidence disappears, and soon three generations of Gilmore girls share one giant anxiety attack. Plus Dean starts to wonder what will happen with their relationship when she takes off for college, and Taylor convinces the town to open an old fashioned soda shop next to Luke's diner. At the end of this episode, at the end of Application Anxiety, you know what I said to myself, what I said, who the hell wrote this? So I went back and I looked at it. Is that good or bad? Oh? That's good, I said to myself. Daniel Palladino wrote the hell out of this episode, because man, you talk about snappy dialogue, and Gail man Cuso directed it. And I remember Gail and she was always so great to work with, and she masterfully guided us through this and kept our pace at breakneck speed throughout this entire thing. I just thought that this was a masterful episode. I was completely engaged. I wanted to get up and and get some more food, but I wouldn't allow myself to know I just right. That happens to me with Gilmore Girls constantly, where I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna watch like fifteen minutes of it and then I'll go do something else, and then all of a sudden, it's like I'm a zombie. Just like. I was so hooked into this because the dialogue was so great, and the and the banter back and forth was so great, and the timing was so great. Everything was just bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. Well, you know what hooked me right from the start, The Brady Variety Hour, Like do you guys, do you guys know what that is? Genius? Yeah, Brady Bunch, me too. But so that's what is so genius about this show. They weren't watching The Brady Bunch. They were watching the fairly cheesy like Pam The Brady Variety Hours. So in the seventies, Danielle was not very born in are you joking me? Sorry? You weren't born till the nineties. The first year, well, I was born in the seventies. So in the seventies is the Variety Hour was like a total thing, like it was the heyday of Donnie and Marie. So the fact that Rory and Lorla are watching The Brady Variety Hour, who even knows how they got it at the time because it wasn't on. It was like a song and dance thing with all the Bradies, except where I think Jan bugged out. I think Jan did not partake. That was so hilarious that they were watching that I was dying, and then that that kind of became that bit because her application came while they were watching. They Now, did you guys notice something about the mailman? He didn't close the door. He left the door wide open, And I just came in the house. But that's small town. That's like small town, right, They're all, hey, Eddie. I'm like what yeah, Like I live in a little small town and my alarm would be going off if somebody to open the door, you know. I mean, you know, my mailman, I wave and I love, but he doesn't open my door. We used to get We used to have a milkbox out in front of our front door, and the milkman would come by and put the glass bottles of milk and milk balls. And then we used to have god, I sound old, don't I um? And then we had a Charles Chips used to come by and put potato chips into our potatoes. Yes, yes, it was a weekly delivery. The old joke so like Daniel is too young for this too. The old joke would be like, oh was it the milkman. Like remember when people would have like Shenanigan's on the side, and or like Milkman's baby exactly because the milkman. I'm too young for the milkman. Sorry, Scott, the puffcorn relieved because I was suspicious, you know, guy, Yeah, can they bring back the chip guys? And the guy just delivered bags of potato chips. I mean what it was both. I mean it was like get them both in court. You know, it's like, what are you gonna do? Chip guy? It's like, okay, it could be one or the other. Alright, So back to the show. So what do you guys think her Harvard application has come? Um, you know, I love that they talked about the dead souls and go Goal reading the bleak Russian authors who are all quite brilliant, and uh, you know, it was just a funny bed. It was a funny way to open it. What should we do? Should he could have brilliant? Yeah, it was a funny way to open it, very literally, because they're watching the show being so ruy lorla, and then here comes the baby Harvard application. It's like, here's here's present day culture watching the Brady Bunch Variety Hour, and then there's a Harvard coming in, and then there's Googel right, so okay, So then we come into the kitchen and out pops Lane. And this is a very important storyline. Lane wants to be in a band, so she's got this ad. So that's big because as we know, that becomes major throughout the series. So Danielle, I'm jumping ahead, But what did you think when you saw did you know his voice? When you heard on the voice smail the guy calling Lane? Do you know what I'm talking about? No? Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. But no, I didn't recognize the voice. Who was it? You didn't recognize when Dave Regowski calls for the first time? Negative? Okay, don't want it. Okay, I'm jumping ahead, so we'll get back to it. But this is major okay, So anyway, alright, so we're in the kitchen, Lane pops out. Any thoughts on that scene? Um was wondering what the music was in the background. I liked the music in the background, and then she popped out and I said, oh, that's the music in the background. Okay cool? Um yeah, but uh yeah again uh the pace of the dialogue and you really have to focus in and concentrate on what she's sang because you can't pick up all of it. It's so fast. So it really does get you in this heightened state of awareness where you need to be completely focused or else you're gonna miss something. And that's why people watch this so many times over and over again because it's like I missed that. I want to get that. I want to experience this again because it's it's faster than life. Yeah, that is really true, especially in this episode, and it makes it kind of thrilling, and it really its speeds up life. It's like life and fast forward somehow or a higher speed. And I had I had felt like we hadn't had a Lane episode in a bit, like either she'd been missing or she was sort of insignificant where I was happy to see her at the forefront again. Yeah, I was happy to see her doing she loved and she and she loves that. Um so that was good. It was refreshing. It was refreshing to see her. Okay, so we get into Luke Steiner, so it's almost like she's another she's another of laurealized daughters, where it's like that's where she belongs, or she's an alter ego of Rory somehow. Yes, Oh, very interesting. I do feel that she has a very mother daughter relationship with Laura la friends but bordering on their very close agree She's just be bopping in their house all the time, and as we know then she takes the calls out there. I mean She's free to come and go like it's her home. I had. I had My best buddy was like that. He used to just come over any time, and he was welcome to just go into the fridge and come into the house. And you know, because he had a he had a tough family life, so he would come in and hang. I mean I I wouldn't be there. He'd come in and talk to my mom, and my mom would Isn't that the best? It's the best for him and for you? Yes, And we're still super close to this day. Oh I love that. Yeah. Okay, So we go into Luke's diner and this is my favorite line. Do they let kids drink coffee before school? I think it might lead to harder stuff Latte's cappuccinos. Yeah. Now, what did you think of Dean and Rory that that morning? Um? What they had that little scene at the table, right? I thought they looked very comfortable and very content and things were kind of back on track for them. Yeah. Yeah, I felt that way too about this episode, and it was sweet right there. Sweet together. They're very sweet together. He was less annoying and no jess in this episode, So maybe that makes us sort of like, like Dean more, how do you guys feel about Dean right now? I feel bad for the guy. I do feel bad. But this episode I was like, oh, okay, there's a shift in this episode, which we can talk about later because the ending scene, you know, one of the final scenes, you kind of get a glimpse into what's going on in Dean's rain. You know, Yeah, Dean was Dean later on. Yeah, yeah, although interesting that he sort of was thinking ahead to it so realistically where she really wasn't. But we'll get to that. Yeah. I thought they seemed very cute in this scene, and you know, she wanted to make plans and he was like, all right, you gonna be writing your essay. And that's when we learned she put school aside. You know, she was like no, like you know, like I want to hang out with you. She thinks she's going to write about Hillary Clinton, and she's all good to go, and we see Taylor taking the photo hysterical, and then he got he knew, Luke. He's so good. He is. I mean, he just puts that in his body that way, and he's hysterical. God, he's so good. He's so good. Okay, So then we had to Chilton for the assembly. What do you guys think of Paris and Rory at the Assembly and everything that ensued, they're interviewing Jim Romaine from Princeton and Rose Samuel's the college consultant. I like how it started because the guy who was running the place told Paris, look, look, this isn't the Beatles at Chase Stadium. Relax. It's like finally somebody you know, but stood up door and didn't get bulldozed and said, what's what's with this stuff? You know? She wanted to black everything black background with spotlights and the whole thing, and she wanted what she wanted to look like firing line or something like that, or Charlie Rose screen. She wanted to look like Charlie Rose. That's where she does her Hillary Clinton dig too. And I just kind of had to chuck out that or He's like right, right, God. I also thought there was a couple of words. They're like, we don't like perfunctory answers, and I'm all, Google, what is perfunctory? Like, uh yeah? And bad printing. They didn't like bad printing. I was like, yeah, that was funny stuff. The looks on both of their favor Their reactions were priceless. Oh my god, when you jump ahead, I liked Paris a little more in this because I got to see a different color or she wasn't so sure. I liked Paris so much in the scene ahead when she calls Rory. We'll talk about that. So, so now we're at Friday night dinner and we can go backwards, but embarrass So, first of all, Roy has a cell phone. Does you guys noticed that she does? She has a cell phone now, so I believe it's the first time we've seen Rory with a cell phone. I think Lorela had had one before, but Roy has one now, embarish. Now I was about to heave. Okay, so talk about it. We're at Friday night dinner and Emily obviously has the magazines for school. And then this is where we see both Rory and Lower Life freaking out. Oh um, hysterically funny scene. Uh you know they you know that's that's a hell of a thing when you realize how much competition there is and there's so many, you know, thousands globally, thousands of people with the same qualifications, if not better, And how are you going to differentiate yourself. And uh, I thought all of their answers and and Dan, Dan researched this beautifully, you know, I think it was you know, he probably had to call the Harvard missions border get somebody to talk to him, and they told him, you know, they gave me the inside track on on how they do these things. Um. What was scary for me is that they you know, they're they're so that the admissions officers know that everybody is the same the same qualifications, so they put a stack on the rejects, and they just put a stack on the yeses, you know, and there's far fewer yeses and rejects, and they just that's how they do it. Sometimes. Maybe I don't know that that was kind of frightening to me. I hope that's not the case. Um, but getting into college is so hard. The difference between even when Rory was going to college twenty years ago and now, I mean, these kids cannot get into college now. So nobody can get into college. You have to have like four point five to get into like the I mean, to get into Harvard and Yale. Now, I don't even I don't I can't even think about it. I think it's like to have a five point out does exist you have to be a unicorn to get into heart. Well, it's all I mean, it used to be in my day. All s, A T S and a C T of course, you know. And yeah, so they was very accurate even twenty years ago. And now it totally plays because this is what these kids are really going through, like freaking out about getting into college. Well, we had a we had a kid in in my group of friends who who got accepted to Yale um really yeah, and he did premed and he became an anestesil just the whole thing. Oh my god. But you know, growing up, you know, he knew anatomy and physiology like the back of his hand when he was ten, eleven, twelve years old. You know, he knew it. And he was grounded all of the time. His dad was always rounding him. So he just strict parents, just studied, very strict parents. Yeah, and he studied and studied and studied and studied, and that's what it takes. It's interesting because when you think about Chiltern, like these kids are competing at such an extraordinary level, extraordinary level that they are considering Yale Harvard, Prince and all these schools. It's like it is intense. It's just it's the first time that Laurelie realizes, oh gosh, this is not as a shoe in as this might not happen. There's a lot of special kids. The Gilmer women are freaking out, all three of them. What I thought was interesting, and I will say, is that Loureli called the headmaster and gets connected to the guy, you know, the guy that went to Harvard. Where what's interesting is this is where they really should have leaned on Richard. Even though he's a Yale man, he is an expert at this. So it's kind of interesting that they literally have a wealth of knowledge right in front of them of getting into school, but specifically Harvard. Right. So there is that one thing I love when she says and that insipid Kate Hudson is not going to take your spot or back Luke's diner. And now we get the kids coming in with the orders epic. I think this was as good at writing for Luke as there has been on the shows. How all said, I think Dan really gave me the gift here in this episode because I just thought that because I saw myself really excited and engaged as an actor, and there were no impediments in the writing, not that there are in anybody else's writing, but I thought this was particularly um like this perfect runway for me to take off. And I don't know, something just really clicked for me in this episode because I'm watching it going jeez, I don't I don't remember enjoying. I mean, I don't like watching myself. It's it's it's a terrible experience. But I really enjoyed this because I didn't recognize myself. I think that's really the character, that's the guy. Interesting because it's also wasn't a dramatic scene or a scene with more Lye. It totally took you out of that into something completely different where you're engaging with these customers and then these kids. And then it's always good when you're up against Taylor because you're like, what is going on dude? Basically it's just great. And and I get a chance to go one on one with Michael Winters, which is like, you know you're going up against It's like he made me so much better than I actually am because I had to survive with him, you know, I really had to bring it when I'm working with everybody in that cast, but Michael Winters, my god, just just a joy. I really miss him. Yeah, he does nail that character and it's like just owns it. I do love any scene with him because it's so entertaining. He's brilliant. He's absolutely brilliant, and I don't know why he's not working more. He worked, didn't work in film. I mean all of those great character parts in films, he could have been in a lot of them. And I just just do you get a shout out to to Dosie's Market. So I spent some time when you guys were in there kind of looking That market is stocked. It is stockful, and it has so many candies. It's like bazookas push up. There's a whole like Planters like that market does not look fake or or TV. It looks awesome. That's a real produce. Section two there's like real vegetables and celery and tomatoes. And you guys like the go to Dosie's Market to grab a snack. No we we didn't, but the extras would sometimes take a chump, you know, some some gum. No no, no, you can't go into that stuff and and open it up and start eating it doing we might have to reshoot the whole episode because it won't match, you know. Yeah, but it was those were great scenes. And I did not know what an ice cold egg cream was, or a black cow root beer and ice cream to go or chocolate FoST bade. What the hell is boss? Just it's just Dan Paladino firing on all cylinders, I gotta tell you, man, I mean, he hit it out of the park. I think in every single scene, it's a very gilmoury episode, do you know what I mean? Like as opposed to like last week, which I loved because there was so much drama, right, No, That's why I loved it so much, because it was really and I think in the original spirit with the show was meant to be, which is a lighthearted, buoyant drama y with a ton of laughs in it and a ton of absurd situations. But you know, just the fast back of I mean, it was just yeah, there really wasn't like a major drama like we had the week before. It was very what's the word, It's not slapsticky, but like comedy bung bung bung. But I think we needed it after the after Haunted leg We really needed an episode like that where we could just like breathe and enjoy it and like, okay, so probably come here for yeah, this is this is yeah, this is what I signed up for, right, Okay. So we go back to Lower Lies and they're talking about meeting Darren Springsteen and he's they're going to go have lunch with him. And so now this is where Dave Regowski calls the Answering Machine. And now I realized what you were saying, who is it? Did you when you saw them? Literally when I first thought, I was like, is that Adam Brody? But he looks like different, you know, different than like the o C at Brodie. So I was like, I googled it. I was like, you know this episode and I I was like, oh my god, that is Adam Brody, a little baby face Adam Brody because it was before the o C. So Scott, I don't know if you ever watched the o C, but like for us, that was a huge show. And Adam Brody, who I don't want to tell Danielle what happens, but he has quite an important part on Gilmore Girls went on to star in the O C and like break out massive, Like he became a humongous star and the O C was like huge if you think about it, like the cast of Gilmore Girls is so iconic, Like Melissa McCarthy, you have Adam Brody, you had Seth McFarlane in one of the earlier episodes, Jane Lynch, Yeah, Alexis, Jared, I know all of them. It's so good. And don't knock my Matt Zukri, who literally is stars in The Resident and was on the Good Wife, Like it's crazy all the people. I'm gonna throw Chad Michael Murray in there too, because totally so anyway, that was very exciting to hear Adam Brodie's voice on the machine and know that he was coming and Okay, so then they go to the launch. I need you guys to just tell what you thought. I thought it was great. I thought it was Laura I had to contain herself. She couldn't be here. I mean, she got a couple of singers in and I really like the balance of that because it was like less is more. It's like you knew she was going to have some quip equips, right, and they were going to be great, and she did. And it's like, but she couldn't really you know, go nuts because she doesn't want to sabotage your kid exactly. She couldn't be her true self because she had to like she had to rein it in into this. Yeah. So um, but I just thought it was that actor was fantastic, That family was so cookie, and I like, I like to you know, when Laura I gave Rory that looked like, you know, is something like on tooward going on here between daddy and daughter. And there's so much to talk about this lunch because this is a major part the game, the like how smart are you game? Which I was like, I don't know one answer, not one answer. I was like, okay. Then he tried to like follow along and like, nope, I want to know what you guys think of this family and the two kids that are obviously on the IVY League college track and then the sister and why do you think Dan felt it was important to write that in and for Rory to have that exchange with the know the outlier sister, Well, it's you know, do you want to be on this? This is what it takes in this particular case to be on the conveyor belt, going to Harvard and having that kind of a life. That's that's a that's a completely different level than I mean, that's that's a rare um rarefied air, you know um. And the one daughter who was on her own path, as the mother said, she's on her own bed. You know, it just shows what happens sometimes when you have parents that put all their hopes and dreams and their desires and their wants into their children, and are they and you have to ask the question is that really what the child wants? And how important is a child's wants and needs versus what guidance parents can give them? And you know, when does it become like, you know too much? So I think that's it was a great scene in that it it sort of contrasted all of those different options in different paths that people can possibly take, and yeah, and what does it take. Is Rory really cut out for this? I think the scene was there to say, is Rory really cut out for this? Is she on the conveyor belt because her mother is And her mother got off the conveyor belt and that was the whole point, that's the whole point of her life. And that independent street does not serve Rory. Well, perhaps going into a conveyor belt sort of a factory, which you could surmise a Harvard might be. Yeah, that's the family was so nice, like sugary sweets, so nice, but almost not likable for me, Like I'm like, I like the sister, you know what I mean. Like it was so they were so perfect and so ivy league and so the perfect lunch and the whole thing where I liked the sister. I was like, that girl's cool. That was Laurel. That was Laurel as a as a teenager. Yeah, yeah, I felt bad for her. I really felt bad for Laurela. And I felt bad for that girl who was not on the conveyor belt because she's going to have a he's gonna have a hard life. And even if she finds happiness and she finds her own path good for her, she's still going to have that tension with her family. They're still gonna look down. So that was that was really walking into a sort of a Richard and Emily, a successful Richard and Emily family. Yeah. Yeah, because you know, the one daughter's going to Harvard, she's it was either in or she got accepted and she's on her way. Um, so this is showing Laurea La. Look, you're in another situation here with Richard and Emily. They're a little lighter version, maybe less wealthy, right, a little less well, I think they were more wealthy than those guys. Well if they're if they're buying, you know, artwork, if they're buying art at that level, then they're probably a very wealthy um. Um, most the name of that artist. She kept repeating, what was that? And then there was something about he's a student of Matise. And then someone says like, oh, yes, I know, only a Charlatan wouldn't were so fancy. They almost were pretentious, but yet they were so nice that they weren't pretentious. So you're like, I like them. But I think for me there was and I'll be interested to see what people say, because I think that there was more to that scene for me to take away in that the most likable people are the sister and Laurela if we're excluding Roy, because they were the most real, whereas the family Jack and Jennifer and Darren Springsteen and his wife are playing the part of the perfect family. But how do you know that maybe that's them being real. Maybe that's they're real, right, right, because Jack Jennifer were loving every minute of the going around the table and playing the smarty Pants game. You're right, but it was I think that that scene has more significance than just do you know what I mean? Well, it was interesting because you saw Rory Bean there, right, and that's that's what she aspires to be. She aspires to be a Harvard kid, and just kind of showing like, oh, this is kind of the stereotype of what a Harvard kid looks like and it's not really you you know, right, isn't Jack and Jennifer. So you're seeing that like dichotomy, like she's still going to go to Harvard, but she's not really these people's Scott. I'm okay, I'll never disagree with you again. I never that will never be any disagreement. I don't know. I feel like I do want to hear from everyone listening because I think that there's more that I was. I want to hear what people have to say about this scene because I feel like I wasn't getting or interpreting it exactly to the metaphor maybe that it was intended and maybe it was just a simple like these are fancy freaking Harvard people. But I want to know what people thought about that scene, because I sort of was like, oh, I think, look, I think there is a place for intellectual rigor, and I think it's necessary. It's a discipline, and it's a tradition, and it's important applying that to your every waking moment as regards your family, dinner time, lunch, wherever. You are constantly testing your kids. Okay, So I think that's what they want us to question, um as it relates to Rory and is she cut out for this world? Because this is just one example, maybe not the great example. Although there's a lot a lot good you can say about Jack Springsteen and his family. I mean, there are a lot of bad fathers out there who his friends. Darren Jack is the kid, Darren Jack, Darren Springsteen, thank you so much for the correction. I so appreciate you. Um. Have I told you how grateful I am? So so? UM Do you like Darren springste I do? I do? I do. I think he heard on the side of caution. He you know, sure, maybe he's a little over the top of everything, but but you know, he's setting a very high bar. And look, he liked Rory, and I thought it was great that he calls and was very impressed by her records and is going to help her get into Harvard. So like the lor like did the right thing by calling. You know, they're all freaking out. So really really stepped up as a mom and said, like, I'm going to help out my kid here, even though this isn't my world. Calls Headmaster Charlton and says, did I say that right, Headmaster Charleston? Yeah, you forgot that? Suddenly I was I would never correct you ever, that would put me in conflict with So that was like, you know, for Lorealy, she took the initiative. Did that you know, set up the lunch which we didn't talk about that funny scene when Rory is supposed to be calling him and then Lorelei pretends to be Rory. So that was all Lorealy did great there, like she really did. And so it was great to find out that, like Rory's records our Harvard quality. But for me that was like, oh, vomit in the mouth. These people like, oh god, yeah, it's definitely vomited in the mouth. But like we've been saying. I think that scene was on purpose. You know, you wanted to see that maybe this isn't the right fit for for Rory, and she needs to see what, you know, Harvard looks like on the outside. You know, it gives it gives me great comfort that there are families like that. I like that that there are Springsteen families like that. I like that there pressuring their kids. I like that they're I do it to me, it's I see what you're saying. You like that the father and the mother wanted their kids to achieve I do. I think. I think a lot of fathers and mothers really screw up their kids. And if these if the daughter is a little screwed up in her ways, and but at least she's going to Harvard. I mean, there's there's nothing bad you can say about that. And again maybe it's my I don't know, two eyes, but there was just some excessive privilege in that family where you're just like, oh, but then they got the daughter that's the waitress and going to the be the birthday party Bunny, and I was like, oh, okay, I'm really glad they showed that. Like that kid too, And at first, when they're like, oh, you know about the third kid, she's following her own path. I almost thought she wasn't there, Like when you first hear that, you're like, oh, she's off somewhere. So it was nice to see her room, her funky bedroom, and her bunny. You know. I liked the way the whole thing came together because of that third sister. I'd like to know more about the third sister and why does she not have the intellectual capacity? Does she not have the study habits? Does she not have the discipline to do the level of work it takes to get into a position to be accepted and Harvard that's a lot of work. And and you can say privilege till the cows come home, but but I don't know that a lot of people have been accepted, uh to an institution that difficult to get into without working their tails. My interesting question because my takeaway on Carol was Carol could have been capable of going to Harvard. She didn't want it. She said, my parents want that, and Jack and Jennifer want to please my parents. And then she said, I love how she called Rory Harvard hair because it was like, oh, yeah, you're on the track. But I like that she was saying I didn't want it. So even though there's Harvard all over this place and it was basically kind of could have been handed to me on a silver platter, I didn't want it. And it's okay that I didn't want it, maybe as sort of a metaphor to Lorela, like it's okay that Laura La didn't go that route and Rory can if that's what she wants. I don't know, Maybe I'm reading into it too much. No, No, I think, uh, you know, obviously they had the same, you know, a milder reaction that Richard Andly have towards Laurela not going staying on the conveyor belt than that girl had with her parents. But still there was some disappointment obviously in their voices and their attitude towards the daughter. And I think that's you know, that can damage that daughter. Yes, that's a great point, because right the mom and dad Springsteen, Mr and Mrs Springsteen weren't overly thrilled with Carol. But I thought the significance of Carol was so important because Carol was thrilled with Carol. Carol was like, I'm I'm good. Well. I think it's also maybe the parents feel guilty that they didn't spend the time with her, uh and give her all of the options that they gave their daughter who got accepted the other daughter. Maybe they weren't as attentive with that daughter and exploring, you know, what her where her talents lie. And that's the responsibility of a parent when a child is young. It's like, let them try a million things, Let's see what they're good at, and you know, if they love that, then let's you know what I mean, I mean, keep them more around. My My takeaway on Carol is she what's that saying? She beats to the sound of her own drum? Like Carol just was like I don't want that, but I'm not doing that. I was more interesting. I wanted to know more about that girl. Why right? How do fall off? There's definitely significance to the whole thing, because otherwise it wouldn't have been so prominent. We could have just left it with, Oh, Carol goes to her own you know way, like she's following her own path anyway. Yeah, this to me was the scene that was the most like, what am I not getting here? Anyway. Okay, So then we go to the town meeting, which is just my favorite thing ever and it is just so to shop time, and Taylor has the diorama of the soda shot. How do we feel about Laurela not supporting Luke in that town meeting? Okay? I didn't look at it that way because I just looked at like the whole town wants the soda shop. They're just like and and it was the hesitancy, like like we don't want to, we don't want to not support you, Luke, but like we really want like a black cow egg cream or phosphate whatever. So he was having such a problem with it because it was Taylor right right, but Luke being Luke, just Luke doing Luke totally. I love that Taylor calls out some obscure law that like I can make you rent it to me and looks like DUTs for a Civil War hospital, Bro, you can't do that with an ice cream store. He needed to back off on that little man. He just needed to just let it happen. Yeah, Okay, So then Kirk wants a job and then here he comes Dave Regowski. What do you think? So I really liked the scene where they were like sitting together and on the park bench. I guess you would say what you would call it. And I like the two of them together. I think there's gonna be some some cute, little flirty flirt action happening. And I see it. I'm like that they're they're they're cute together. I like the dynamic. She said, I love you and I want this so bad. I want it for her so bad. Yeah. I like that. That's just sort of spicing things up for her. And then Dean also sidebar, like they had the fanciest like coffee kart serving treats at the town meeting. What happened was that about Luke Luke's was open, right, It's not it's Luke's open or closed. It was. It's not closed during a town meeting. It's it's yeah because somebody runs it. When how is there a coffee car down in front, a fancy coffee car like I think it had like bakery treats to her Luke's business right there, Taylor. That's Taylor being diabolical. Alright, so talk about it. What do you think about Dean kind of saying to Rory, what's going to happen when you go to college. That guy, he's a buzz so much to unpack there. Wow, God, I know we were just so pleased with him in the diner earlier and that it's like so we needed this because for the last few weeks he's been kind of not bowing down to Rory, but like, oh, are you sure you're not just as out of town now? Yes, okay, greed, we can move on, you know, Like he's just been very like go with the flow, like yeah, yeah, whatever Rory says. And now it's like, oh no, he's having the doubts now, which breaks my realistic though. Please, like they're going to stay together when she goes to Harvard. It's like, come on, she's going to be in this completely new world. She's not gonna want to come home every weekend. Look, if he wants to go to a junior college in Boston to be near her while she's going at Harvard, the only way that that could possibly work is if he is really just super oke, cool with everything and happy with his own life and a dynamic guy, and he's a genius in his own right. He happens to be in junior college, which is no shame in that. Um. But it's gonna be hard for her socially. Um Again, I mean, you know he he was he accepted at Chiltern? Was was Was he embarrassed to be at Chiltern? Or does he feel inferior walking up to Chiltern? How's he gonna feel when he walks into Harvard saying, Oh, I'm here to get Rory and where? Oh so are you going to Harvard? No? I'm over there at you know, run a mead City college, you know by the heart by the river. Um. You know how we all know that Dean is just going to melt down if he's in that scenario. He just doesn't have the he doesn't have the stuff to get through it. And he she that girl makes him so nervous. She's given him so many reasons to be insecure, And he was a very everything you're saying. I also think it was impressive, if that's the right word, that he was being so realistic and saying like, hey, we kind of like should talk about this wait, because literally it totally made me sad because I feel like he was like literally like he had the realization that everything he was fighting for for so long is maybe not really gonna happen, you know, like he's been fighting for this relationship for so long, going through all the bs that Rory has put him through, still sticking by, and then he has this moment where he's like, but wait, like, is that is all I just went through? Worth it? You know? Like it just made me sad? Yeah, it was. It was sad because it's also accurate. They're not going to stay together. No, I mean for maybe for a little while, but then it's just gonna He'll meet somebody, She'll meet somebody. And I thought there was some significance to Jackson mentioning the tools to Lorelei because she realized, like Glory's leaving. So I think Diana more Lee had the same realization in the same an. I kind of think, if I could interject here, um, I thought that that was a bit insensitive of Jackson too. Yeah, I agree, you know, the body is still warm. What what are you moving your tools in there now for? But I think if we like take ourselves out of it, I think, like you were saying that, Dan Palladino wrote this episode so perfectly because it was that moment where Dean's realistic to Rory like we're not going to stay together, like you're going to college, you can't come home every again. And Jackson points out to Rory like, hey, you're gonna have an empty room at your house, like you're gonna be all alone. And it was sort of shrouded in this tool thing, which was weird but whatever. I was sort of like, is he gonna rent that room? Like what's happening. But it was the significance of her realizing Rory is going to be gone. Yeah, I'm gonna be here alone. That was the point of the entire episode together to that moment, and it was a powerful moment when we have that sort of um, you know, waste upshot of her looking off to Rory like going into the duner like I'm not going to be with her much longer. She's going away. And that's why I think it was such a glorious Gilmour episode, because that's what that show does best. In my opinion. That's why I responded so negatively to the melodrama from or the drama from Haunted Leg because I don't that's not the show for me. For me, For me, it's both. It's both because there are many scenes that I love, like last week, but you're right, like we went, we go through these Shenanigans or Gilmore antics, like the goofy Springsteen family to get to the significant meaning for everyone's life. Keep it light, keep it funny, and then we can have a poignant moment at the end or here and there sprinkled in to just sort of elevate everything or even bring it back down to reality where everything seems so heightened because of where it came from. I mean, it was just such a perfect you needed that Dean moment, like Dan Jackson moment. Dan set out to write something to get to that ending, and absolutely brilliant to mean the significant. I agree with you because the significance was that Rory and Laura Lie we're going to hang out. Remember they change their plans. Lorea Lie is not going to do the billing or whatever, and Rory isn't going to do whatever she was going to do because ultimately those two want to spend time together. So it didn't become about Dean. It's it's Rory and Laurea Lie. And again he's so brilliant how you like, and it's so subtle. It's just a tiny, little thing like I hang out, let's cancel what we're doing, because that's ultimately right relationship, right. It shows us how valuable time is when you're with your loved ones time. We don't have much time left, and so let's take this time to do it. And I feel, I mean, it just got me. It put a lump in my throat. I made. I made it like I made a decision to go to the gym this morning real quick and not spend an hour with my kid having breakfast. I made him breakfast and left it, and I was like driving there, going I want to turn around and go spend time with Nick because every second with him his magic. You know what. I think you're right because I think ultimately it comes back to mom and daughter too. Always in the show, like we always are analyzing what is it, and it's always back to Rory and Laura La. And I think that's also the significance when we see Luke's and we see Taylor has already got the sign made obviously he did it weeks ago, and then we panned through town and we see the Troubadour and it's just to give us that moment of like letting it all sink in whoa yeah that that this episode made me forgive all of the other not a lot of them, but some of the episodes that I thought didn't really hit the mark, you know, but serve their purpose in some ways. You know. It's so funny because when I'm watching it, it wasn't my favorite. I the other stand out to me more like when I have that kind of scene with Christopher and Lore, like, oh, I love this, but now as we're talking about it, I see it allows me to see the significance of it because it's so soft and subtle, and then you're like, oh, wait, that's what the whole show is about. Yeah, and I you know, I think, right, it's let it's let Luke be Luke. They let everybody be themselves, right, Luke ranting through the whole thing. And Dean wasn't so twirpy like they let Dean be Dean or Dean was almost cool and almost smart, Like you're like, oh, wow, he's really intuitive here. Like I don't mean almost smart, like he's some ding dong, but like you know what I mean, like where he was really like intuitive about the future. I would I would point to this episode is really capturing the tone the original spirit of yeah from from moment one. Yeah, I mean it really just captured the tone of this and it was so powerful at the end. It really was. I mean it was unexpectedly powerful. And she just looked. She just looked. And then there's a pan to the towner and the two of them walking in, and it's like, man, who can't relate to that? You know, who's had kids or even it has been a daughter or son. You know, it's like, wow, I'll give a quick fashion. They love to put lord ly in florals. And she's loving a necklace like always this sort of a prominent necklace in the last few And I thought Lauren's hair was particularly excellent in this episode, like something's going on with her hair where I'm like, wow, is sher a curl to it? Like she looked cool? Yeah, well I gave my favorite line, what was yours? I really like Jackson's hair in this. I thought David Galcie's hair was pretty good too, does have great hair. His argyle sweater. I like me some Adam Brody. I'm not gonna lie. I love Adam Brodie. It's always confusing because Adam Brody in real life married the girl from Gossip Girl. Very confusing. He married Rachel Bilson no late, okay, and then Rachel Bilson's the girl from the o C. Yeah, so Adam Brody married the girl from Gossip Girl. Just kind of crazy. Daniels, you have a favorite line, Um, yeah, my favorite line is Rory goes I think we need therapy and literalized says I think we need some booze for those of us that are twenty one. Um. Yeah, I'm gonna give it to old Lukey on the soda line. Um, do you have money and paid attention to We need to those kids givin you got money? So good? Um all got along. It wasn't boring, No, I mean, Dan Palladino, hats off to you. You wrote the hell out of that episode. I mean that was just a fever dream of of an episode. Dialogue E and it's it's it's it's how do you The challenge is how do you make that much dialogue compelling? You know? That's the challenge. He made that much dialogue really active and compelling and filled with action, even though there were set pieces all over the place. It was. It was wonderful episode. I really enjoyed it. I almost went back and watched it, but I was Yeah, I had to get Nick the bed, but yeah, it would be a good one to watch again. Yeah, meaning you know, your third, fourth, fifth, because it's so dense. That's one I would watch repeatedly because it's just man, it demanded your attention. So anyway, what's what episodes next week? Daniel? On the next episode is one's got class and the other one dies? Oh gosh, that sounds mensota challenging, ching, whoa see it? Then? All right, so anyway, thank you everyone. So anyway, thank you everyone for downloading. And we mean this from the bottom of our hearts. You are the best fans on the planet. You are the smartest. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your very insightful feedback. We take it to heart. I took it to heart. And after I get off this, I'm gonna go work on me a little bit, you know, I'll work on my interrupting. No, it's not you, No, I do. They tell trust me, They comment on that like every week. Really that I get very excited, So I do it. Yeah, I'll work on it. It's probably one of my things I need to work on. In life, so I appreciate them pointing it out. But now the thing is is, you know, I grew up with impeccable manners. 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