I am all in. Oh, I am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Uh, this is Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast, I Heart Radio and uh we are gonna talk about Kiss and Tell, episode seven, season one, and we have a very very very very special guest and and a good personal friend of mine, Mr George Bell. George Bell was the dialogue coach uh on Gilmour Girls. What what season three through seven through the end of the run. You came in like the first part of season three, um, and Mike Odd he saved the show. George literally saved when you know, I mean we were we were kind of kind of struggling along with all the dialogue, um until you showed up. And then when you showed up, it just, you know, the days became shorter, the scenes became better, it all, you know, it all, it all got easier when you were there because you were helping us out so much. So, so let me, uh, let me tell everybody who the heck you are. And you've got quite an impressive resume, young man, So let me put on the specs here. So, so, you played dual roles in in Gilmore Girls. It was first as dialogues set dialogue coach, and you also appeared as Professor Bell Fantastic and you were in A seven episodes from two thousand three two thousand seven. First time we saw it was season four, uh, episode six and Affair to Remember in the last time we saw you as Professor Bell was season seven, episode twenty. Laurel, Laurel I, Laurel I question mark question anyway? Um, George, what is a dialogue coach? What is it? What? What do you do? What is it specifically that you do well? Dialogue coach not to be confused with dialect coach. Uh. Dialogue coaches the keeper of the word so so to speak, and that uh when uh, the exactly producer they want the dialogue pretty much word for word. Uh, then I'm there to work with the actors to make sure they get it word for word. Um, dialect coach or people like if you talk with the British accent and Jamaican accent, so it's an accent for dialect, but for me it's dialogue. I don't give acting notes unless the actor would requested it from me. I'm just there to be, you know, the person to read their lines with them. And drill it in their head. And then and after each take, I'll go up to them with my little trustee notebook that show them UH if they've got something wrong. And generally with my my own method is UH. I try to write what the actors said incorrectly, because quite often as an actor, you think you're saying the line correctly, but then you're really not. So when the first things you show them something they did wrong, they said, what did I say? So if you can show them what they said incorrectly, then more often than not they can make the adjustment. Some actors, I don't tell them what they said incorrectly because they only would confuse them more. But other actors would like to know what they make that adjustment. So I know how each actor worked on the show, what their method us and UH, and I would work with them under that framework. Oh yeah, really interesting. So so I you would approach me differently than you'd approach Lauren than you'd approach Unique or so what were the differences? What were the differences? What was I like to to work with on set? And how did you approach You really love to run the lines over and over it and get it drilled in your head, uh, which was great. Um and um. And also you know, because I would come to your trailer, which was nice and quite offer, you would treat me with sushi, right right right. So, but but now we would we would work the scene and work the scene. You know. Sometimes it took ten times, fifteen times whatever it took for you to feel comfortable, and then you were there. Um. Uh. Lauren, she liked to, uh just do the maybe a couple of times and really at rapid speed. And also maybe just the que line sometimes like maybe a line or two, just to give it the cube. And so we would do that. Um. Alexis was to come the same, We would just do it quickly and uh. And also Lauren and alex Is what they would do they would write down their dialogue on the back of their sides because they said that that would help them memorize the line by writing down their lines, which I actually incorporate that as an actor now. Uh, and it's true it sometimes helps you when you write it down, it kind of somehow settles in the brain. Um. And then uh, Kelly, because she's some theater she I mean, she'd like to run the lines. So most people what we're like you, they'd like to run the lines. Uh, but I think you were the most diligent and wanting to uh you know, to run the lines and really get it locked in so that you you know that you were ready. Um. So yeah, for me, it was about the comedic timing. It's if you don't have the lines cold, you can't really focus on the timing. Right. The last thing I wanted to do was screw up Lauren on the timing things because she had so many of those great lines and I didn't want to get in the way of that. And you can really, you know, kill a scene if your timing isn't there, you know, if you don't know the lines. And that's that's the first thing. I mean, you gotta that's the first rule theater. You you come in walking, I mean, sorry, you cat, you walk in talking, You have you have to come in walking. You maybe sometimes you walk in crawling or I have no idea, but you've got to You've got to know your lines. Um. Yeah, So what about on this set? What was the experience, Like, we're different actors that you approached on set to correct their dialogue where they you know, it can get a little testy sometimes because people that are they're very tired. They've been there for sixteen hours and they blow. They do a brilliant monologue or a brilliant scene and one word is off and you have to go up until the with the bad news and lamp. You had a tough job. Man knew you had to go up and you had to tell the director you know, look, we got to do it again because they didn't get that one word right. And then you have to go up to whoever it was, you know, me or whoever said listen, you know, you got that word wrong, and you're just like, oh no, no, we can't write that take on right. So what was that experience like for you? Well, that's also in part the reason why I would write down what the actors said if I could, because sometimes if it was so tiny, I could lobby in there on their behalfs and look they just said this instead of that, you know, I mean, uh, you know close enough, you know. Especially it was helpful if amy and then we're directing, because you know they would the final say so with them, you know, they they would give you, guys a little bit more leagal we actually than some of the other guest directors. Uh so, but yeah, I know. But I think for all of the regulars on the show, they kind of knew the routine and so and so with one even though I was coming up there to give them the correction. You know, for the most part, everyone took it and stride and they understood. Uh. But sometimes the guests actors that would kind of crash and burn, and you know, I would want to crucify me because you know, they're like, what the hell. You know. I was like, sorry, don't, don't, don't shoot the messenger. Right, you remember that guy, that nice guy. He was a little bit older and uh, you know, he was an experienced Broadway theater actor, and he just got this deer in the headlights thing going on about. And he looked at me and he goes, do we really have to go this fast? He goes, I said, yeah, we do. Unfortunately, he was like, I don't know if I can do this. They said, you can do this. If I can do this, you can do this. Um you know, you're they were The guest actors would get shocked. Um. Yeah, they wouldn't realize what they were walking into the speed of it, you know, not not at all I think how I got Professor Bell, uh said, many of the people who are playing the teachers crashed and burned. And there was there was one time, uh, this lady who was a teacher, Jamie Babbitt, was directing that that episode, I remember. And so when I was in the hallway with her running the lines and everything like that, and you know, and she kind of had it, but but I could I kind of see that look coming over them, like, oh oh danger, will Warminson Dungeon, and and she just quiet and said, I want to go home. And I said, why, I can't do this. I want to go home. I said no, no, no, no, you could know. No, I need to go home now. And so I said, oh, no, no, You'll be fine. And so we ended up having to write cue cards in the back of the classroom so she could read the lines because she just had so pigned herself out and couldn't take the stress of it all that we had to write it on two cards and and that was the only way she got through it. Uh. And then, UM, I don't know if it was the actor that you were talking about. It was in the little movie theater. It was a couple and an older guy, and he just I had to literally, especially for his coverage, just speed him every line. I would say the line, and then he would say the line. Then I would say the next line, and then he would say that was the only way he was going to get to it. It just he had just that was it, you know. And so so we we had those moments, Oh George, it was you know, you fore, it's been so long and you forget what a pressure cooker the series was. I mean, the reboot was a lot more relaxed. Yeah, we had more time to prep uh the scenes and all that kind of stuff. But and they weren't as strict about the dialogue because it was just uh Dan and Amy directing, so they were okay. So that's why I tried to write it down so they could see. And it's like and rarely did we have to go back and do it because of the dialogue. It was unless it was just really you know, like a whole line was omitted or something or you know, and so and I also I had to I wrote down what take, what was said on what take? So on tape three, they missed this word or that sentence. On tape four that was a better one. But but they missed this, but they got that one right on take so they knew which one. So so that she said, so we have it, I said, well, and take maybe two and six you have it, you know. And so so it's really interesting. So I want to take us back a little bit. How did you get the job as a dialect coach on the show? Carla mccloski, who is a very very dear friend. I actually I sang in their wedding. Her husband and I went to college together. We were theater majors. Okay, so let's tell Let's tell the audience who Carla. Carla is, what what was her role over there? Carlo was the first a d assistant director on the series, and she's like the main person, uh you know, I mean, they they're like the heartbeat of the show. And so I guess when the decision was made in the third season to bring in a dialogue coach, in part, it was because they were going through script supervisors, like it was like a revolving door, you know. And finally I think they realized, well, you know what, maybe it's too much to expect the script supervisor to do all what they do and then to be on top of the dialogue. Uh. So they said, let's bring in let's bring in a dialogue coach, and Carla said, I have just the person. And so uh. But I interviewed with several of the people and I think they got it down before people. And then the four of us interviewed with Lauren really and yeah, yeah, so we interviewed with Lauren, and in in the interview with Lauren and she said, now your friends with Carla, right, I said, yeah, yeah, that's a very close friend. So I think that was my ace in the whole and so uh and I was selected. So that's how UM and I. Then I also interviewed first with my first interviewed with UM Patricia Palmer and Amy so Falmer was producer, one of the supervising producers or one of the main producers of the show, right right, So so my first interview was with them, and then I think they whittled it down to four of us who met with Lauren and then Lauren had the final say as to who you wanted, and so she selected me. I brought on board and I remember my first day, you said, I can't believe they did. They actually brought that they sprung some money and brought in a tile up book. I can't believe. You were really happy, you know, but you couldn't believe it. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think Brown season three they were starting to cut the budget on craft service. So the craft service wasn't as you know, I mean, it was nice, it was always nice, right, it's uh, but the craft services where you know, all the food is the snacks and the fruits and the veggies and right the water and the soda and all that stuff, but it was, um, yeah, well there they there was. There was always sort of a budgetary constraints to consider, and that's perfectly understandable. Those shows are very very expensive to produce, so I mean, if you're doing multiple shows over there, you know you're gonna you're gonna try to trying to keep it in accounting wise, but perfectly understandable. But anyway, um, that's so interesting. So so yeah, and then tell us about when they were going to let you go. Well, I think I quit four times. Really it was about four times. It was about four times, didn't Yeah, yeah, because I do remember one time you were just when you heard that fact, who was it was it Dan Church, the sound card or someone. Usually when you if you were um out for a few days, you know, they uh, and then you come then you come up to the sound truck or something and I think you said, okay, so who got fired today? Got fired this time? And they said, well George quit and he said and you said, what oh no, no, no, no, no, no, this can't happen. And you went to particial. You can't know. This cannot happen. You can't this cannot know. We cannot lose him. We cannot lose him. You know, we're not gonna let so And it didn't happen. You were the mean, there's no way we could have done that were kind of work at that level. Um without you, there's just no way. I mean, it's not like I was going. We weren't going in each other's trailers running lines. Everybody's too busy. Everyone was busy doing their own other things, and so so I was resting around, you know, and I worked with everybody. If you had one line h as a guest actor, Uh, if I had the time, I would go there and just you know, give you that attention, just to make sure because quite often, especially with the guest actors the first ad relied on me to see if they were how they were doing. And I remember this one guy who was a minister and it was in the dinner scene at the Gilmore House. And when I ran lines with them, he just it just they weren't sticking. And and so as I'm running the lines, uh, where he's not looking at me? And Sean Kavan, who was the other first a d uh was looking at me, you know, to see how things are going. And I would I did did this so and it was like so then everyone kind of knew what was going on, you know. Uh I said that, no, it's not you know. I would go to the director and saying and and and and and uh you know. And I mean I was the ladys on between the actor and the video village where the director and all the technical people would be. And especially for the guest actors because I knew all you guys personality. I knew. I knew if you were having a tough day or things were kind of you know, uh, you were struggling a little bit or you know this, you know are you there was no more correction should be given, you know. And I and I was literally a couple of times with the directors, I would saying no, I wouldn't give them that note. I was, good, you need to let them just let them know, let them have another go at it. Uh, you're gonna go in? I thought, no, no, that they're on the edge, you know, let them, uh, let them figure it out, you know. And so, you know, unless it was something I absolutely had to go in, you know. Uh. And so yeah, as I was there longer, U and I felt more secure, you know, I felt I could make that call sometimes just to say no, and I and I would you know, warned the directors, especially the new ones, Uh no, they're not having you right now, so let them alone. So I don't know who it was, but and they were all delightful, and they were all such good directors. But some of some of them, not not a lot of them, but some of them would come in onto the set, they'd leave video village, they take their ears off. They they come into video village after every single take and talk and would just be like, really, this is happening again, Like it's the second take, you know, Yeah, well we'll get there. Well we'll get you know. And it was just and then they go to each actor and it would take forever to do it. So, um, so you were back there with a leash on them. That's that's interesting. I was. Yeah, I was trying to, like you say it. Then most of the time the directors would listen to me, you know, and and take my lead. Um, but sometimes they didn't and they found out that I was right, so they defied you. They didn't take your advice, and then they got chewed up and came back to your tail between their legs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, uh so, yeah that happened. And and I and but also script supervisors, Oh my god, I had There were a couple of script supervisors who were just the very first script supervisor that uh when I first started. She started four days before me. And instead of her being happy that I was there to kind of relieve the pressure, she was very territorial. And she was jealous because you know, the actors had taken to me so quickly, and she was she gave me all kinds of problems, you know, and uh and it was just like, so, I'm just trying to help you out. She one time she didn't even want me on the set, you know, and uh. But eventually she was let go. And and you know, there were, like I said, a revolving door of script supervisors and I probably into the six or seventh season, I can't remember. There was this one young girl who had come on and she was like trying to give me all kind of grief and I and I just told her so I said, uh, excused me, but there's a reason why I'm still here. And I said, uh, you know, there's been a lot of scripture advisors, So I would think that you would want to listen to what I have to say, because you know, there's a reason why I have survived and so place to survive. Right, No, No, And sure enough, I don't know. Maybe she lasted two shows, maybe three episodes, I don't know, and then she was gone. George, So George, you know, yeah, it was it was something like the Octagon and there wasn't it. It was like a Chuck Norris film. Good God, So let me let me ask you this, um um. I wrote down this question, what was the script? What script was the toughest one that you had the opportunity to coach on. Do you remember if there was one particular script that because they were all pretty dense with dialogue. So it was there one particular that you remember, and if not, it's okay, we won't be don't. I don't remember a script per se. Uh, I think what I would do, I would judge it. But if it was going to be a tough day, depending upon the actor who was in and the amount of dialogue they had to do. So certain actors who shall remain nameless, uh, weren't very good with dialogue, handling dialogue and some of the other rules. And if they had a particularly big scene with a lot of dialogue, I knew my work was gonna be uh kind of difficult that day because uh, they just weren't quick with the lines. And what didn't mean they weren't a good actor. It's just that certain people could retain lines pretty well and certain people couldn't. Um uh and so so I so if I saw a particular day that certain actor was in and I look and I see all the page and then they had a lot of dogs, I'm like, okay, we're going to have a long day to day, you know. So you know, and there were certain actors, you know, if I saw that they had a lot of dialogue and they'll be like, Okay, you know I know that they were going to breeze right through it, so uh so yeah, it was not so much descript it. It's just the actor. Uh and how well they you know, couldn't learn their lives and you know how well they worked under pressure. All right, let's take a little break. George great talking to We're gonna come back and uh and recap the episode. This is Scott Patterson. I am all in. We'll be back after these messages. Yeah. First of all, you know we all about that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens up girl fashion. But you'll tough girls. 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But you're tough girl, you can sit with us Girl Drama Queens, John McQueen's Drama, Queen's Drama John McQueen's Drama Queen. All right, everybody, we're back. I'm Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast our Heart Radio. We're here with the Dialogue Coach from Gilmore Girls from season three to season seven, all the way to the end. George Bell, who also played Professor Bell, did seven episodes in this series. A consummate actor in his own right. Um, George, I have a question for you, Okay, who is the best at reading their lines? And who need did a little more help? Be honest? Ha? Oh god? Okay? Uh if I were going to give medals out for best with lines, I would say Liza Sean Gunn. And we know that Liza played Paris and Sean Gunn played Kirk. Well, Lauren. What what amaze me about Laurn is that she kind of almost had like a photographic memory, so that she would come to work and you know, without having even looked at the lines, but she could process and and I don't she must have a photographic memory or something because she was so quick with learning the lines. That's that's what you get when you grow up reading books, when you live in books, and you have that that capacity. So it's it's a very special skill. You know. Now, people who kind of struggled with lines doesn't mean that they weren't good after Let mean, I want to make that clear to wait minute, you wouldn't put me in that category with the top people with the lines. I don't. I don't get in there. No, you learned your lines, but they've learned them quicker. Is that what you re so? I mean, No, you knew your lines. I mean I always felt good after we left your trailer. I knew that. Okay, he's wrong, solid just on being your eye line. That's all. Yeah. I was always fun, you know, because I was always cleared with you. Wherever I was on the set when you were doing the scene, you go until I know, someplace sales another place for your eye line, so you know, so I was like, okay, a good place for your highline. So we we had our routine that we all did, um now, but for the actor that needed a little more work. And I think he would actually admit it, uh, that that he wasn't on top of his lines. It's Jackson sukiece supiece uh husband uh in the series and you know, and he directed a couple of episodes too, and you know, good friends of Amy and Dan. Uh. But yeah, even if he had a few lines, sometimes they just wouldn't stick. Uh. So I had to I had to kind of you know, work with him, um, you know, to make sure. I'm trying to think, who help, Oh it's our heart list tourists, Miss Patty. This is one of those people that you know, I would not I don't tell her what she said wrong because she said no, I don't want to know. I don't know, you know, because I get I get confused, you know, don't tell me. So so I would just give of the correction. Uh as she was a hooke. Uh let me see, oh Sally start this was pretty good with lines, um um, and well with the two of them together there there was just such a joy on the set that they would crack up everybody. Um uh oh you know who acting was pretty good. It was you unique because French is his first language, so he really wanted to, you know, be on top of his dialogue. So uh but but but if I were gonna give a gold medal, oh and Kelly, Kelly was really good two so uh um, I mean everybody, the every all the regulars pretty much. It was it was oh your sister, Oh what's that list? Was that her name? Yeah? Love her, wonderful acts she sult but a lot of actors come from the school of improv where you know, you know, as long as you get close to the lines, it's okay. And that was her thinking. And so for her to be to to get the lock in to save the line exactly has written that was a challenge for her. But she was just a wonderful actress. But yeah, I remember her. I'm having to really run lines with her quite a bit and given giving her a lot of corrections because of that. So so yeah, that was that was a challenge for her. But uh but again, like I said, they were all great actors, um, and I just know there's certain actors I'd have a little more work to do than other with than others. Kathleen will Hoyt, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, wonderful actress. She uh a sweet girl. She was great, She was great and she did a great job. Yeah. She and Michael Dan Louise, they were great. They were Yeah, there was were really great days on set when those two were there. Absolutely. Um. So what was it like as Professor Bell to be on the other side of the camera? It was probably one of the most stressful days of my life, Yes, because how that all came about. Uh, you know on uh the you know, it takes eight days to do an episode, and usually the eighth day is the longest day because if we had problems but we had to uh we didn't get to all the scenes that day, then we put it on the back end and we had to get everything done on that eighth day. And I remember this eighth day was on a Monday, so we Mondays our earliest day, so we had gotten up really early that morning and too, and to try and get everything done. I think we were. It was getting around six or seven o'clock that evening. Uh so it was already twelve thirteen hours day. And then the next thing I know, they come up to me and said, George, guess what you're going to be Professor Bell uh in the next episode. I went, oh really, I said, oh that's really nice at them. Oh great, you know, I thought, okay, and I said okay, And so then they gave me this, But I said, so, now what am I doing this? You know, tomorrow tomorrow, okay, and your first up. I'm first up, and it's tomorrow and we haven't finished with this episode. And then I looked and it was a page and I have monologue, And I was like, when will I have time to learn this? You know, you're already brain dead anyway because you're tired, and so so I'm trying to look at the lines and learn the lines between takes and whom we're moving from one set to the next, you know, And I'm like, and then of course to add the pressures that now the shoe is on the other foot, I've got to now, you know, it's like all the other actions. I'm sure like, m hm, okay, now let's see you do it God and so and so. I went to the first day g and I said, is there any way you can put me towards the end of the day, not personal? She said no, because of the moving It just makes the most sense. And I said, but I have no time to learn this. So anyway, I didn't sleep much that night at all. And in fact, I think around about three or four o'clock in the morning, my doorbell rings with changes to the dialogue, and I'm like, and then I thought, am I being pumped? I mean, it's this, it's this for you know, so and so and just enough, just screw you up. And so when I walked in to do that scene, I was like a walking zombie. Now I must say, watching the scene, I must be a good actor because I was dying on the inside. But I looked calm up on the outside, you know. And I got through it, you know. I it wasn't my best work, but at least I got through it to I guess break the curse of the teacher or the professor, because then they gave it to me several more times. But and the other times I had enough time to learn the lines and feel comfortable. But that very first time I was in Rory's classroom, I was I think I was a philosophy or sociology professor, and I'm not even I don't have anyone else to the lines to bounce off of. It's just me talking and talking, so it's all just all on me. I was just I was just like the stress. So yeah, that was one of that probably was my his date. You were working on the show. You were probably the most versatile actor of all of us because you had to play so many different roles when you were dial we're coaching all of us, right, so you'd go from one to the other to the other. I mean you probably do five or six every morning, and then you do lunch and then throughout the day. So you were you were playing all the characters, and they, you know, Amy probably just said, boy, this guy can do anything. Let's see the professor bell and who cares if he can learn his lines? Know they you know, the reason why they were giving me all those little parts was partly I think one of the times I quit. One of the things I wanted and it is you know, your your health insurance. So and I wanted to get it as an actor. So I negotiated that they paid me as an actor and I needed to make a certain amount of money, uh to uh so I could get Plan one, which was the better plan for health insurance. So uh oh, I remember one episode, I think the knit, the knitting one. I think I say one word, uh, twent I think that's what I said that coming down the seconds and I say twenty. And I got top of the show payment big because it was all going towards my I tell you, Amy did things for me that you know I would get on any other show. The top of show means when you get a guest star role that they're paying you as the top guest star, which which gives you what five thousand dollars or whatever it is or whatever it is now six six. Now you've got six. You've got six grand. So that's fantastic. And one word and you and you need to accumulate a certain amount of money earned in any fiscal year for the Union to give you those lower rates on your health insurance. And if you don't accomplish that, then you lose your health insurance. It's it's it's very trick, and it doesn't matter how good a year you had. For ten years in a row, you could be making millions of dollars. But if you don't, if you don't continue hitting their minimums, theyll you lose your health insurance. So that's a very very big deal. Yeah, that's a nice thing. Good for you. Good, good, good. So why don't we get into the episode recap. You watched Kiss and Tell last night? I did. What were your impressions? What did you think? Everybody so young? Oh my god, look how young everybody. It's like little babies, you know. But it was it was great, uh, you know, just to kind of go down that road. I mean, also because I didn't work on that that episode, but you know, I mean I knew, I knew the set, and you know, of course I know all the actors, and so it was fun just seeing everybody and and uh, just how wonderful the show is. I mean that it's it's it's just it's like comfort food. It's just a great show. Um, what did you think? You know? The thing that really jumped out at me about Kiss and Tell was, um, Dean was it really developed a little bit at Dean's background and where he came from and what he was on about, and uh, you know when he I was really surprised when he kissed her in Dozi's Market. I was very very surprised, which which which, which really spawned one of the funniest lines, laugh out loud lines from Mrs Kim, played so beautifully by Emily Corona, was to Laurel I when she came in. And that's when Laurel I found out about the kiss from because you know, because Mrs Kim thought she knew says your daughters, you know, getting kiss She's she's kissing or making out in Dozis Market and you know this is where we buy our Foodly funny, Uh, but I I was a little surprised by that, you know, the the Chicago kid coming into the little town and then you know, grabbing they're pretty girl and just just planting one honor at work. And I just thought that's a bold move, was very bold, very confident young man. Well, they had a lovely chemistry, the two of them, It really they really did. Uh, all three of her boyfriends, you know, Dean, uh, Matt and my Low you know, I mean those are my boys. I I didn't I didn't, okay, so, but I didn't realize. You know, Jared was such a good actor at such a young age. Yeah, I mean he was eighteen years old. He was literally just like out of high school, or maybe he was still in high school, but I think he graduated high school and then he's on the set of Gilmore Girls, right. Oh. Yeah, I mean he was just like as fresh as it gets, and he was good at eighteen. He was excellent. He was excellent, and I think he got cast in that. Um the uh was it Jamie? Who's that was the casting director? Well, our mar somebody? When we did UH one of the fan fest, she was telling how they found Jared because they had been looking and looking and looking, and I guess when he came in or something, because I don't know if he was leaving to go somewhere, but he read and she went running into Amy's office and said, you gotta come. You know, I think we found I think we found it. I think you know, and and and he was like and so and they went in and he read and sure enough, you know, that was great story, great story. And I believe Dean Uh was recast UH when the original Dean was Nathan Weatherington, um, and Dean came in and uh, sort of took over that role from good old Nathan. But so what did you think? And also, you know this episode just kiss and tell really, um, my god, I mean the Rory that Rory and alexis was so vulnerable and sweet and and you know, it really defines what that town was all about, and being raised in that town to produce a girl that was, you know, so vulnerable and so sweet and so and and and this the flush of young love. And my god, he kissed me and he ran. She ran to to Kim's antiques and told Lane all about it, and they giggled, and I was just like wow, and it's like it hit me it. You know it hit me before, but it really hit me right between the eyes. Why people love this show so much and and keep rewatching it and rewatching it is because this is so well done. I mean, to do those kinds of emotions and a young person, a middle aged person in old rush to do that at that level is difficult. You don't see that. I mean that's film quality. That's like high end film quality, emotional life writing acting on a little screen from the deep WB and It's confusing because yeah, these young kids, man, they were so good, they were so natural and so good. They never pushed. They never you know, you know, you never you never caught them over acting or just just great stuff. Oh yeah, I thought he crossed the line a little bit with the scene. You know, she invited him over to for movie night, which was one of the which one was another hysterical scene when when when Lauren told Alexus that she'd done that invited Jared over and uh and and you didn't see the look on Eric Alex's Alexis's face, but you saw Lauren. They favored her coverage her what they consider a close up, which is, you know, from sort of the naval on up Um and Lauren just went and why are you looking at me like that horrified, horrified child? Like you did what? It was such a great scene, such a great scene. But then you know after uh, Laura, I gave Um Dean her little like if you hurt my kid, you're dead kind of speech, which of course has to happen. But it really surprised me that she took that much liberty, knowing that if Alexis ever found out, it was gonna be you know, Trouble and River City, like, you know, because Dean's gonna say, boy, your mom really scared me a little bit. But you know, he doesn't scare. He didn't scare. I mean, he was he was. He was so in his own skin that character that he said, now is it my turn? Can I can I speak now? And then he said that the that the I need you to like being this kind of thing. And I just thought, boy, that kid is ballsy. I was a little I'm just like you, honestly little taken back by that. I was too. I was too. But it says so much about the character, right. It's it's like, it's not the writing. It's like that takes you back. It's it's it's I mean it is, but it's it's what that character says. He draws a line and he says, listen, I'm an equal to he's eighteen. Yeah, I'm here, you know, I'm here to stay, you know. I mean, hal so, which was which was nice. I mean I love the fact that that that she did say that this town loves Rory and that everyone will be watching because it's so true everyone loves Rory and and so that uh, and of course he's aware of it. Uh that that she is this special, special person that, Yeah, you do something wrong with there, you're gonna have a whole town to deal. That was an amazing amazing scenes, amazing scenes, really really funny what's what sean? Uh? Because there was no Kerk in it, and yet no Emily or Richard either. It was it was it was devoid of Emily and Richard. Um. So you know, I wrote down some great lines. Uh. When she was telling uh Lane about the kiss and where it happened, what aisle and Lane says, oh, that's a great isle. He says, well, why is that a great issle? And she says, well, because that's where you got kissed. And then at the end of the show, she's telling her mother, she's telling Laurela about it, and she's great, that's a great Yeah, but that's you know that scene. That episode for me, really brought into focus as to why, um, that show is so beloved. That was such a charming episode because everybody's been through that man, woman, everybody's been through that first kiss, and it was just so iconic. The whole episode was so iconic. It's so funny. My god, I mean, I was laughing out loud through the whole thing. I mean, the whole town knew about the kiss. Everybody knew about it. You know. In in comedy films, right, they say every laugh, every big laugh, is worth twenty million dollars at the box office. There were five big laughs in the first ten minutes of this thing, and usually all of the episodes. I mean, you're getting big laughs throughout the whole thing in the hour, and it's what forty minutes because they're doing twenty minutes of commercialsavable. Um, just just knockout stuff. Anyway. Um, we're gonna take another break and we come back. George Bell and I are going to do something that we have never done on this podcast before and we may never do again, depending on how this goes. We are going to walk to tight rope. Allow the Wallenda family here with our fan base, the most dedicated fans in the world, the best fans in the world, and so we're gonna take a little break. I am Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast, I Heart Radio. Will be right back after these messages. Yeah, alright, we're back, everybody. I'm Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast, Our Heart Radio we're here with George Bell, dialogue coach of Gilmore Girls season three through seven. We're gonna do a little acting here. We're going to enact. We're going to re enact a scene from Kiss and Tell with Luke, Laurelai and uh Alexis in this scene. This could be this is a diner scene. I believe that it's a diner scene. Are you ready to critique us, George and help us out? I am ready. I got my laptop and I'm looking at It'll be a challenge for me because I don't have my pencil. All right, here we go. Let's just take a crack at it. Danielle Riley, are you ready? Rock and roll? Alright ready? And I wanna and at a coffee? Come on, man, you you med at me too. I mean, a man can choose whether or not he wants to a picture of a fat, stupid burn on his wall. And oh my god, that's the reason damn Pilgrims came here in the first place. Luke, I wasn't snubbing you. I didn't even hear you. Now I'm concerned about you. Sorry, I'm just feel a little persecuted lately. Coffee, please, okay, Yes, I'm fine. Don't look fine? Well, thank you. Well, just might be a little concerned, preoccupied. Do look concerned? Well I'm not. Well, that's fine. You just look at it. Hey, you know some streamers will look eight in here. Thank you? Sorry? Sorry, sorry? Oh hey, save your apologies for the Indians, missy. People are really in a giving mood today. The Horn of Plenty is packed. That's great. Do you want some coffee? Oh no, I'll just have a sip of yours. I have to get right back. Oh really, I thought we were having lunch today. I can't. We're one program short. I only have a couple of minutes. Oh. You've been really busy lately. Yeah, I guess. I guess it's the end of year. Rush. I mean, we haven't really even talked to a couple of days. What do you want to talk about? I don't know anything. Okay. Did you read the article in the newspaper about the polar ice cap smelting? Yeah, yeah, big deal, Fine, you picked the subject. Okay, great. I was watching General Hospital the other day, and you know they have a new Lucky because the old Lucky went to go play something where he could have a real name. So, the old Lucky had his girlfriend Liz, who thought that he had died in a fire. So then they bring this new Lucky and you're all like, Okay, I know that that's not the old Lucky because the new Lucky has way more hair, jel issues. But still Liz was so upset about the supposed death that you could not wait until you see them kiss. You know, when do you have time to watch General Hospital? Okay, let's get back to the point. What do you think about the whole Liz Lucky kissing thing. I think their actors being played to play a part. So it's nice that they're living up to their obligations. Rory. Look, we can finish this meaningful conversation later. I promised Lane I would get right back. Okay, I'll see you later. Okay, by I'm not going to say you look concerned. I'm not going to talk about how good you would look dressed as one of the guys from the Crucible. Fair enough, wowful gaps you could drive trucks through. Dr George. The speed of the time off was good, but I would I would say okay, I uh. Normally if people are too so I'll say okay, that was great now, Gilmour rise, you know. So it's like they said, what speed it up? Speed it up? Um? The only uh, let me see whoever was who was reading Rory there was just one little tiny thing in that last page and said you said, look, uh, we can finish this very meaningful But it was look, can we finish this very meaningful conversation later? So you you kind of inverted that. And I have like a little symbol where I said you inverted that. Uh. There were just a couple of little floods where you guys kind of repeated the word a second time, and I would probably put a little circle with a two x by that, saying okay, you said that word twice, you know it's just one time. Uh yeah, So I have all these Similarly, you've seen my script. It's like chicken scratch all over the place. George, what about how terrible the acting was? It was really Scott got but oh the others it's like they forgot they were active. As I said before, as a dialogue coach, I don't give acting notes unless the actors specifically asks me something in regards to be acting. Danielle Riley, why don't you ask George, how good you're acting? Wasn't well. Actually, what I was going to ask George is, from a scale of one to ten for a dialogue, what would you give us ten being great, one being really bad? I would you do? Guys? Because you see, you must remember you had the dialogue right in front of you. It's a whole different ball game when you're doing different memory. Uh, so you don't have that safety net. But I give you an eight. Well, I can go to sleep happy tonight. I got an eighth from George. I'm good. Well, part of being a dialgue being a dialogue coach, you have to be somewhat of a diplomat, you know. Get I get a solid too, Thank you, Amy. It actually made me realize, like, wow, the show is so good because they are so bad. Acting is hard. Acting is not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's hard. Anybody tells you acting is easy. And then and then put in like especially for you, Scott, you're in a your diner, you know, so you've got a whole lot of props and things, so pouring the coffee, you get in the donuts, you're getting the food orders, and and then and while saying all these lines at a rapid speed, So you gotta get all those actions in as well as the dialogue, and then you have to match it every take, and you have to match it every single take, and you have to match it on the mediums shots and the close ups. So you do it again and again and again and again, because then I'm there with my trustee. I'm scared of George's pencil Sure, I would a lot of lid on my pencils. You get a ten out of ten. We love you, Oh my god. George was always a breath of fresh air. To come to the set and see George. Everybody would smile. He put a smile on everybody's face. Um, Georgie boy, how are you doing? Man? Huh, I'm good. I'm good. You know. I'm just hanging in there. Uh, just one day at a time. So glad that the pandemic seems to be easy, so that we can maybe get back to some normalcy or some type of normalcy. Have you been in touch with anybody from the cast? Carla? Uh and Patty Malcolm? Uh, Laurence stand in Patty Malcolm right? Um? And who else? Do I? Uh? What have you have you heard from Rich my standard. No, I haven't heard that. I haven't seen or heard him in years. Um, I mean, you know, and of course with those fan fests, I'll see the people usually then uh. So I'll see Emily and Keiko and uh some of the some of the regulars who have been doing it every every year, so uh, you know, and on Facebook prints with certain people, so I so I'll see their post. But I'm gonna see Sean. I'm gonna see Sean at the end of July. We're doing a convention together in Connecticut that Mohegan's son July twenty nine through August twod so Sean Sean, Yeah, Sean and I have done a couple of I will he's He's great. We did a panel together I think where, God, I can't remember, somewhere in this I think it was Charlotte, North Carolina someplace. Um, but yeah, I see am I ce Milo on the convention circuit. Um. We did a panel together in Houston at the Pandemic tour. So yeah, I get to see these guys on the road in working situations, you know. Okay, you know, for the when we did the reboot, I remember Milo. One of my favorite stories about him was set. We had been working that day earlier that day, and then I think we're getting ready to read the next script, which he was was just going to be his first appearance in the reboot, and we do it on our lunch break, so I know, I have been working all that day and you know. And so then so then we go over to the space where we're gonna do read the script. Well, I had I had to go to the bathroom because it was it was like, okay, you know, because the scripts are really thick and so and so. So I'm I'm rushing to get get to the bathroom and Milo sees me and it's the first time he seen me in years. He was so excited. He allowed me into the men's room. I think comes in he said, I'm sorry, George something, but I was just so excited to see you. I just have to come and give you a hug. I said, oh, okay, well let's do it. Now, do I do anything else? So he gives me a big old hug in the bathroom. At least you didn't do it during, right, Yeah, there you go. No, no, no, I haven't gotten that point yet. He got to be before. But yeah, I'll do those guys. I mean, I just love him to Jared, Milo and Matt, they're all just I'm just so happy for all of them that they're doing well and very well. They're doing very very well. Georgie. How about time? It's time for rapid fire? Ready for rapid fire? Yeah, okay, I want to fire some questions at you rapidly, and I would like to ask for rapid answers if you don't mind, But here we go. Ready, How do you take your coffee? Can you smell snow? No? Are you team Logan, Jess or Dean? All three? Who's the daddy? I have no clue. Best memory of Gilmore Girls? Oh god, I can't. I can't everything just the actors being with all the actors show you're binge watching right now? Um? Well, I just saw one episode of Loki on Disney Plus, but I think I may start back on Gilmore Girls. After watching the episode yesterday, I was like, Oh, it's been a while, cast member. You texted most recently and I think we know the answer that one. Patty, Oh, I thought it was me and then text mess oh yeah what do you? Yeah? He texted Patty. You just just texted me before we went on the air. Huh. I text Patty just before to say that I was going to be doing the podcast, So then I I got your text. Alright, puddy, all right do it was so great to see you and talk to you, and please come back, please please please come back. Okay, Oh any time you know you you let me know I'm there, and hey, I want to come and see the family. Yes, Nick, nick seven now yeah, yeah, I'm getting old anyway, Georgie, it was great, Senor. Thank you for your time and uh, just a fantastic catching up with him. We'll do it again as soon as it was my pleasure. Okay, thank you to all the fans are being so loyal to much. Yeah all right, George, thank you so much. And uh and we'll see you soon, buddy. Take care be well. I will take care you too. Okay. Let me tell you something. He was like every morning he was in my trailer. We were running lines, dishing the dirt, eating. You know. He was just great guy to hang out. He was just really remember so much too. That was why I love talking to him, because he has all the great memories. Oh, he's fantastic in every way. He upped the level of that show. He really did anyway, Wasn't that fantastic? George Bell one of my favorite people, not just from the set of Gilmore Girls, but in the world. What a what a great, great guy and fantastic human being, fantastic dialogue coach and a fantastic actor. He couldn't do the dialogue coaching at the level he does it without being a great actor himself. He understands it. And whenever I tried to do run lines with other people to prep for the show, it just wasn't as good. It wasn't George Bell. So it was like, you know, I'd go, can you just, you know, go a little faster, Can you just give me this or that or that? And people just don't understand being a dialogue coach. That was a tough job. But he was perfect for it, and he he could play anything. He did play anything. He played all those characters intense job. I had no idea. I mean, all the notes he had to take and knowing this was take three, this was take five, they got it on take six, they didn't get it. It was like, this is like mathematical and and the thing is is you never saw the guy working. It didn't seem like work for him. You never saw him in a bad mood. He was always jovial and happy and and conversational. And it's it's like, it's like he wasn't even working. It's it was wild. He was always in a great mood and just so efficient with what he did, and it was just all very effortless. I mean, he was really important to that show. He was really really key to that show. And uh, I hope somehow he gets some kind of honorarium from the studio maybe or from the creators. Maybe an honorarium is in store, because man, he contributed mightily to that whole production. I think we have some questions for you, Scott, for me, Yeah, Daniel, you want to bring him in? Oh my goodness, here she is Joanna. Hello, how are you welcome to the podcast? Hi? Nice to me too. And where are you? Um? Where are you calling in from New York City? Oh? You're in New York City. So you sent um a pretty detailed email to the show pointing out the fact that I was incredibly wrong about some specificity, some some details of the show. If I am not mistaken and I did read it, Sorry, no, no, no, no, I mean this is what we love. Like, like we said at the beginning of the podcast, we want feedback, you know, whether it's a super positive and super supportive or you know you're correcting us. Hey, I love it. That's why you're on the show, your honesty, and we appreciate it. So go ahead and and and let's let's discuss it. What what did you uh, what did you see and what did you feel the burning desire to point out to us? Yeah? Sorry, So what do you guys were talking last week about how Luca has been in love with lorelife for sixteen years and and that's not true. They actually only met about for five years before that episode happened, because and they will see it tell us how you know, because I am totally okay. So in the episode that's coming up in a little bit further down still this season, the concert interrupted us actually the one that previous guest was talking about, where they go to a concert in the city. Anyway, in that episode, um, Rachel comes up for the first time, and uh, when Rachel comes up, loyalized like, you know, just totally dumbfounded. Who's who's this blue had a girlfriend? What's when and so there's this conversation that happens with Miss Patty and with Suki, and uh, it comes out that you know, they said that he had this girlfriend Rachel five or six years before, and Suki says, and Laura I respond, how did I miss this? Like you know, where was I? And Suki says, well, Rory was eleven. You were just moving into this house. So that's one of the times that we get timing. And then we also later on in the series confirmation from something that Luke says, um that also matches up time and wise. But so it's only been like four or five years. Have you ever Joe, and let me let me ask you a question, have you ever been so deeply in love with somebody over a period of time that I'm not saying five years in a long time. One year one year of being in an unrequited love situation seems like we're years. So if it's four or five years that I was in love with her, according to you, and I know Luke's heart was so deeply um good, what what is the word? So deeply affected by Laura La that it seemed like sixteen years. I'm not saying that five years four years isn't a long time. I'm just saying that it wasn't you know the timeline? Can we can I ask a timeline question though? So it she was just moving into the house, but she lived with that woman that owned the the inn, right, did they know each other? They just weren't so tight that she would have been aware of the girlfriend or did they not know each other yet? No? That and this comes this comes up in this conversation. I don't want to give stuff away. It's okay, it's okay, we we need the timeline, so it's okay. But so when when looking a lot Laura, I finally go on a date, uh, and Luke says, very it's like eight years has been uh at that point, and that happens at the well, I don't want to say what it happens, but that happens. So we feel like, I like I ruined some stuff for some of the people. You're amazing, You're doing great. So we had the timeline a little screwy, Scott. Yeah, And what what we were talking about on Instagram was that part of actually how because everybody was saying, how does that even make sense? Like? How did she not go to Lukes well, when they were living in the Independence Inn, which as Rory was growing up, you know, from the age of whatever. However, many months or one until she was eleven and they moved into the house. Clearly lower Ali had no money. She must have been just saving up. They didn't go to Luke's. They certainly were eating for free at the Independent sense. So that's how it all makes sense. Because the other pendcon is, you know, still have known each other in passing. Maybe they knew each other just like from around town. Is there any chance? No chance? No, I think Luke knows very specifically when he first saw so we'll get into it, I'm sure later. But Scott, you did love her at first sight, absolutely so deeply that the first week seemed like a month, and the first year seemed like four years. That's held deeply, it was. It's like beyond thunderstruck, beyond beyond you know what I mean, so beyond that you can't even act on it. It's so because this is why we need help, because yeah, we we aren't well. We appreciate your thoughts. Thank you for coming on and pointing it out. Keep it coming, because we're gonna blow something else. Soon enough. It's already happened here and there. But that's okay, and and and it's and it's wonderful to meet you. And again, thank you so very very much. Um, thank you, thanks for having me up. Okay, Joanna, take care well that was Joanna. Thank you Joanna for coming on. Love that. Uh you know, braceis man can get us, you know, cracked the whip on us. Man. We we love that kind of stuff. Thank you so much, Joanna. Um And like I said, I'm I'm sticking with the thunderstruck every year. It was like four years for for Luke and that's why he's That's why I said sixteen years because that's what it was like for me as an actor. Um. Anyway, UM, so we're gonna turn this into a two parter because we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have to recap the episode as a team, uh and then just you know, we'll drop it. We'll drop a separate episode in the same week because there's just so much to unpack here and we need to really go into this. Just everybody stay tuned because we're gonna do a full recap on Kiss and Tell, like right away. Absolutely so there you go. Um, so everybody stay tuned. We're gonna do a full recap of Kiss and Tell. It's on the way. It's going to be a separate episode. 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