I Am all in, Kiss you. I Am all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All right, everybody, Scott Patterson here and this is the I Am All In Podcast with I Heart Radio and one eleven Productions. And what a show we have for you, What an episode we have for you today. What a show? What a show? Um. You know we talked about this last week. We talked about Emily's choice of poster, asking Roy what kind of post or she wants in her new bedroom at the Gilmore House. Whether it's the Backside Boys she meant the Backstreet Boys or in Sync or nine degrees And we happen to have and and you know, before I say anything, we got such a response from from the fans about this, and the the chatter is deafening. My god, did you respond about this? So we know we have a demographic that is well aware of boy bands. UM, I'm gonna I'm gonna admit to you right off the bat, not my jam very limited knowledge, So don't hate on me because of that. But I did listen to one of the hit songs from the our guest today. We're gonna have ninety eight degrees on today. Uh, we have a Mr Jeff Timmins and a Mr Drew Lasha from ninety eight Degrees. And I'm excited to talk to him because I have I have watched their video and I have some some questions about how terrified they must have been doing one particular scene from that video. Um, then they probably weren't, but I would have been. So here they are. Let's bring in Jeff and Drew and let's get this this party started. Jeff Timmins, I knew man. How are you doing, buddy? Pretty good? But you look exactly you look exactly the same as in the video. Well, I yeah, I have the I have the little slider that says, make myself look better, that little image. It might be fooling you a little. And there's Drew. Hey, Drew, how are you doing good? Thanks for joining us, and pleasure to have you guys on. I. Um, I'm a little older than you guys, so I'm like a late sixties seventies rocker kind of dude. Uh. So I watched your I watched your video. I want what is it because of you or because you had a big song back in the day. I guess it was. Uh. And I watched the video um, and I don't. If I was a member of in Sync at that time and they said, guess what, We're gonna shoot you on the beach, We're gonna shoot you in the city, We're gonna shoot you on cable cars, and then we're taking at the top of the Golden Gate bridge, I would have been like, na, no, not in that you're blowing your boy bands. Yes, because it was in synct That's why he wouldn't have done it. If he was in ninety degrees, he would have done it. Did I say in saying I am so see I told you I am I am not qualified to conduct this interview. Just fire me right now. I am so sorry. Guys, we look Scott and I was petrified on top of that Golden Those shots were terrifying. They were terrifying looking. I mean I I experienced vertigo from time to time. I I got a little crazy watching that stuff. And you must have been up there all day waiting for the helicopter to fly over because it wasn't a drone shot. They didn't have drones back then. I mean, you must have been up there all day. How long were you up at the top of the Golden Gate bridge waiting for that shot to happen. It was definitely a couple of hours. Yeah, it was so windy up there, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It had its moments. Getting up there, I think was probably even scarier than being up How did how did you? How did you get up there? By the way, in one of the towers, there's a tidy elevator that I think it only what we can only get three or four of us and two of us at the time, and it goes up really slowly. So and you're like, it's pretty weird experience. Man, I don't know, I don't know. And you're and and Jeff, you're still jacked. Yeah, I'm trying to keep up with the young bucks. Your lats were huge in the video. I'm like, look at this guy just just hitting the gym. Look at them knowing he's got a big future ahead him. He's got to stay in shape. So we were talking about you came up in the uh you came up in the in in in the last episode, and the fans went crazy when we started talking about a little bit in our recap and we said, we gotta have these guys on. So Amy got in touch. He knows you guys, So let me ask you something about this. This were the rivalries between the boy bands, yel or something generated by the press, Jeff, go ahead and address this because a lot of people want to know this. What's weird about it is it's really interesting. Contrary to popular belief at the time, I think people thought that, you know, we were adversarial towards those groups, but we had nothing but great experiences in the mutual respect for those guys because they were going through the same roller coaster ride that we were. So we've got nothing. If we had to choose one one group, they both had so many hits. Both groups have so many cool members that we're friends and friends with them, close with I honestly couldn't pick one of the other. True what do you think I mean? I'm I'm I'm closer with the guys and then Sync than I am with the guys and Backstory boys, so I would have to lean towards them. But I know Jeff is cooler with a j and the battery, so I think it's you know, like you said, you can kind of take them. But they both have uh they both went diamond on one of their records. Uh, have sold god knows how many records, So I don't think you go wrong with either of them. But you know, if I had to choose between the three, still the best. I mean everybody knows that. Everybody knows even has the Jeff still has the poster hanging up behind him. That's right, Flax and everything we're proud of. So what was that experience like for you guys? I mean, you start out, I read a little bit about how um uh Nick, it wasn't. It wasn't Nick that started the band? Was it you? Jeff who kind of contacted Nick who was in college and said, listen, what about this thing? You maybe want to do this? So you guys knew each other. I didn't know Nick and True and Justin at all. I brom different parts of a while. I actually started the group some other guys and what to l A. You couldn't there was no social media or YouTube, you know, you had to go to where the action was. We thought it was in l A, and we drove to l A and ultimately those guys you know, didn't stick with it. And you would think in l A you would be able to find other talents. So I wanted to stick with it. I put like ads in these you know, local magazines and and uh and you know, Hollywood Reporter and all that. I couldn't find audition a bunch of people. And then ultimately I met a guy who went to school with with these guys in Ohio and he played me a tape of of a cover band that Nick was in and I heard his voice and I thought, man, this guy is incredible, and really we spoke on the phone, and then you know, he agreed to come out to l A and joined the group. And then Justin came out, and Drew came out, and then we h that's how we got we feel that's how we formed our group. We formed it that way in l A. I didn't even know what Nick looked like at all. I was on the phone. I'm like, are you good? Are you? How'd you? I actually said how's your look? And he goes, uh, am I good looking guy? Yeah? I mean how was gonna look? He goes, yeah, I think so, And I was like, good enough, come on out. And then that's how I hadn't seen him till the day he arrived in l A. So uh, and then we we we went, we went from there. But it was a it was a great experience and a very unique one compared to some of the other bands were compared to. So so it happened pretty quick for you guys. I mean within a year, didn't you have a record deal at a pretty big place, a big record company, And and uh, how aggressive were you in the beginning getting your work out there and getting in front of people and getting it heard by the right people. Didn't you have some kind of oh you did some kind of a cappella thing backstage at a at a at a music festival or something or a concert and that got blasted out live on TV. And isn't that something that changed the game for you? Yeah, I mean that was even before I joined the group. So I joined the group in uh not the Datus November UM. And they had already they had already snuck backstage at a Boys de Men concert tried to sing for him for them. UM. Of course they couldn't get close to Boys de Men because at that time Boys de Men was, you know, the biggest thing on on the planet. Um. But they sang for Montel Jordan's tour manager who eventually became our manager. UM. And then I joined in November nineties. Uh, we got signed in Motown. So for for four white boys from Ohio getting signed a Motown, it was kind of the uh kind of the dream. Uh. You know, every group that we grew up idolizing, whether it was boys that mounted the Temptations, the Four Tops, Stevie wonder Um, every group that we loved or solars for that matter, pretty much came from Motown. Unbelievable. What what a story? So what was it like in the beginning? I mean, how did it How did it start? You get signed? Did you go into the studio right away? Did you start writing your own material? Giving you material? But were you writing your own material? How? How does that? How does that work with you guys? In the beginning, it's it's kind of a it's kind of a variety of all the things. We got signed in l A And the first thing that they said was all right, now you got to pack up and moved to New York. So immediately as soon as we got signed, We're like, what but we just we just rented a new apartment and this nice two bedroom apartment that the four of us are in. What so we moved We moved to New York and then uh, you know, we started we started recording. I mean we were living in a hotel right on Times Square. It sucked, um, you know, but you know we started going into the studio and trying to figure out what what our sound was gonna be, you know, this New Degrees Motown sound, um, and it was. It was the It was a process going back and forth at the label. They had one idea of what we should be, where we should live, how we should look all this stuff, and we had another idea. Um. So it was kind of finding this this blend between the two. And as far as music goes, I mean, at that point, you know, everybody was submitting songs. Um. You know, you had the biggest songwriters in the world that would just submit songs, whether it's Diane Warren or Steve Kittner. You know, Max mart was coming along at that point. Um. Well he's already around but becoming a household name at that point. Um. And we just found the best songs that we possibly could I mean, whether we wrote them or somebody else wrote them. If it was a good song and we thought we could do it justice, we would record it. And that's how we that's how we worked. So you did your so that all that work went into a debut album or a date, couple of singles or what there was an album. It was an album and at that time, you know, you spent a lot of time putting an album together. Now you just you record stuff put you had speed and you're out and running it with a single and EP or you know, collection of singles. But with that that back then it was full length albums. And I think we've even spent probably a better part about almost a year recording on you know, oh, you were doing song after song and again Drew Drew was hit the nail on the head and how we were trying to refine our sound and certainly they had a certain idea to maybe have us lean a little bit more urban and then you know, um, we came out with Invisible Man. We thought that was that best embodied what our group was all about, and that was a big success for us. But at the time getting our image matching our music, they couldn't quite figure that out until Backstreet and Insinc. Emerged on TRL and MTV and they're like, oh, we have our own version of that, so let's actually put their image out there and uh, let let us kind of they let us kind of then to true to ourselves with our imaging and are and we we wanted our music to be in which direction as well. Talk about the ramp up to you know, releasing the first single or teasing the first single, or getting that first uh you know, the first gig and feeling that excitement from the fans. Talk about that a little bit. How what was that like, I mean when we were when we were first starting, there wasn't there wasn't a whole lot of excitement from the fans. Uh. You know, Motown booked us on these tours and like Jeff alluded to it, like that, we they didn't they didn't put out pictures of us at first. Um. Really they wanted people to think that we were an R and B group. They wanted us to think that we were Black Eyes or you know, so they didn't do that. We got marketed to urban radio. We would go to clubs that that lean more urban. So when you know, we walk out on stage and people are like, what come on? You know, it took it a little bit of time for for people to really kind of figure out who we were and Luckily, we had a fantastic radio department in Motown who literally just got invisible. Man played and played and played to the point where, um, you know, you couldn't you couldn't hide that we were white for very long. That's when. That was when Ryan Seacrest and I were with ninety degrees driving around in a van in San Francisco. I don't even know if you guys were that right? Is that? Yeah? So Ryan Seacrest was working in radio back then. This was like, that's right, he was in a van with ninety degrees and were cruise around. I don't even know what we're doing. We had we put our pictures on the side. We wrapped it pictures so we could get attention. People didn't know. So we would go around like you said, and we picked up radio people show what. We printed up our own spag. We had our own T shirts. And what's crazy is two weeks ago Ryan Seacrest was with ninety degrees in Las Vegas. So it's just like they've stood the test of time, which is you know, I think so interesting about this Gilmore Girls episode two, You guys keep that's funny. That's she's got great stories. Um, yeah, so so so it was really so you were playing a lot of clubs and and and getting super tight. Were you really tight when you started or did you really jell through the live concert experiences? Well, I mean, I think clearly we we were already tight. You know, we we were very hard working. You know, we're we kind of pride ourselves on being, you know, a blue collar boy band. You know, we we put in the work, We work hard, we're very we're very passionate about what we do, and we want to put in the time that that represents the respect that we that we have for what we do. Um. So you know, we would rehearse hours a day and just get our acapellas sound right and our blend right. Um. So by the time we hit the road together, we were already you know, we're our own dysfunctional family, you know, rolling around and you know, getting on each other's nerves just like brothers do. Um. You know, so it was, uh, it was a process, but clearly, um, nobody else knows exactly what we've been through except for the four of us. So regardless of what happens and how many years go by or you know, whether we're mad at each other or not. We have a bond that that nobody else can really appreciate or relate to. Um, you know, so we're we're we truly are you know, four brothers? And tell me about that first time where it was like, wow, we've made it. Was it walking out onto a stage and there's ten thousand, twenty thousand, thirty thousand people and you'll look at each other like, good lord, look at this. I think it's different stages, you know, at different stages you go and look when you're a type A like we're all type as we were called. We we never quite think we've made it, you know what I mean. We were always onto the next thing. But I think for me, one of the first times was when we actually heard our our first single, Invisible Man, on the radio and kiss at them, you know, you know, a big station in l A, the big famous one and and uh you know we were driving in the al right, it came on the radio. That's one of them. Obviously, we we performed with Stevie Wonder on the Tonight Show for the goodness alright, thin going our way. I mean, there are so many of them it's really hard to put pinpoint one of them. I mean, you're grateful for all of them, and but you know they're they're always a different stages of what you feel like is it is a level of satisfying success. Yeah, what's the biggest audience you're playing in from? What's the biggest ground? I mean we've done certain certain radio shows festivals that are a hundred plus thousand people. Um, you know which is you know, it's it's kind of awesome and it's like breathtaking to be standing on stage in front of all these people. But then at the same time, you can't really see any of those people. It's hard. It's hard to connect to a hundred thousand people. So I mean me personally, I like I like the smaller, you know, more intimate uh settings. You know, if you're like a couple of thousand people, to me, like a small theater vibe. I love that. That's that's where I really uh, that's where I really get inspired. Right, Talk a little bit about this, whether the media uh invented this and fueled this or whether it was real this this rivalry between the boy bands. To talk a little bit about that and and do you think it helped focus uh the fans attention on all of you collectively. Well, look, well, you know that we hadn't heard about the term boy band before. So when we started our group, we were inspired by the motown groups for tops and Attempts and you know, classic rock harmonies like you talked about, like My Journey in Boston and the Eagles and and so we wanted to be a vocal group and do wop groups. So we didn't know what a boy band was until we went over to Sas to Europe and we ran into and Sitco over there, who was working in Backstreet Boys was emerging in the US, So we didn't really compare ourselves to those groups at that time. Eventually the public did, and obviously there was sort of sort of some sort of riff between Backstreet and in st because they came from the same camp and same management. So that might have existed there and that's well documented. But with regards to us, we didn't even think we're the same kind of group, so we we didn't mind it. And then I think in the beginning, being called a boy band it has sort of a connotation that you don't really sing, and you don't sing live, and you know, everything's produced and manufactured. So we didn't like that. But then later, you know, when you're compared to groups like Drew was saying, they they go Diamond and didn't sell ten million copies of an album, and you're mentioned in the same breath as these legends. I mean we certainly, we certainly didn't mind it at that point. I don't think m um. And it lasted how long? I mean you took a break in what two thousand and three, I'm not sure when did we take a bag like two thousand, right at the end of two thousand and one, so really yeah, so we you know, we did our our last thing before we kind of went in different directions, as we did. On September two thousand one in New York we did that Michael Jackson special, uh, you know, where we performed with Luther and Usher and it was a really big thing at Madison Square. Then the next day was September eleven, and we were in the midst of finishing up the door and everything was so up in the air and crazy and scary. We kind of just went in our separate directions and then you know, went onto our own lives and really didn't get back together until twelve, So you know, what what seemed to be like a short break, and it wasn't anything like we we broke up or you know, we had some sort of falling out. We were tired for sure from the grind, but it was nothing that you know that you know, sort of outside of what happened on September eleven. This sort of take took us in different directions and then we all had you know, I had a baby and was getting married and kid on the way, and you know, everybody had different things going on. And then eventually we missed it and got back together in twelve and we've been back together ever since. But what about what about some kind of nostalgia tours? Have you been doing those? Because I know a lot of bands you know that are from this even from the sixties or seventies, they're getting booked all over the place because people want to hear the music. You know, all of those memories from all of your fan base from you know, ninety five or ninety six to two thousand and one, those memories will be with him for life and they'll come see you forever. Um, So how has that been for you in terms of the number of people you're getting at your shows. I mean that's been great. Honestly. Since we got back together in two thousand and twelve, we uh we went on an arena tour with New Kids on the Block and Boys the Men, and we pretty much haven't stopped touring since We've done a couple of holiday tours. We did another tour called the My two K Tour with oh Town and Dream and Ryan Cabrera, which is kind of kind of what you're talking about, kind of along that, you know, TRL nostalgia. Um. And then we've honestly been doing what we call a weekend Warrior model now where we've just been going around and doing different weekend shows because you know, three of the four of us are fathers and have families with kids, and you know, um, it's important for us to make sure we prioritize our family too, not just literally hit the road for eight months at a time and be like he all right, kids, I'll come back after you're done with puberty. Uh No. Hey, That's why I think this episode resonated because we're getting just so many comments on social media right now because we talked about in the episode, and Scott will explain, Uh, the main character Rory. Her grandma asked her which posters she wants on the wall, and she ends up with a nine D degrees poster on the wall. And it plays as well today as it did when it aired in two thousand one, you know, when you guys were kind of at the height of it all. And I think that's so interesting. And with Gilmore Girls the fans, there's this new generation, a new generation new and new fans keep coming and I think that it works just as well with the young new people as it did with my age that saw it back then. So my question for you guys, Sorry Scott, I didn't want to interrupt, What does that feel like to be so integrated in pop culture that you're in this show, your posters on the wall, and this show has millions and millions of fans that span over twenty years. Like I want to know what that feels like to be a hurt of that. I mean, it's really an honor. I mean when when you you know, when you start a group like this, you hope and dream for things like that, and you know, going in that, the odds of of being still in the mix twenty five years later, and we're going out and you know we can to show the other night here in Vegas. Vegas is always a scary heart market. There's so much competition. We had four thousand people out there, you know, twenty five years later and before that festival that had twelve thousand and four that eight. I mean, we're playing for the same amount, if not more numbers now because of the nostalgia play like you said that that that that we relate to a time in people's lives that was an innocent time that you know, most of our fans were young teenagers so and they met a lot of their fans at our show. So there are a lot of different hooks that have led us and allowed us to continue to live this dream this many years later. So for us, for I mean, we're honored and it's always great and amazing and surreal to see people out there singing the words to your songs this many years later, bringing their kids. Their kids are singing the words of the song signs in the audience. So have you ever had a moment where your own kids are watching something like Gilmore Girls and you guys are mentioned and they're like dad, like you know something like that? Were my daughter and my wife were watching Gilmore Girls. Now they literally were watching it and and the the episode that you're talking about. They were streaming the whole thing and they watched it and and my daughter literally, I mean, um, her dad. You know, she doesn't think of me as anything other than that for the most part, and she sees our poster. I think it might be the one the was it the fireman poster. We'll have to pull We'll pull a screenshot. I recognized the poster. It was like, I don't remember which one it was, but she was like, oh my god, dad John Gilmore Girls. I was like, yeah, I know. And for her that was like, no, seriously, you're on Gilmore's deal. To her, I was just shooting, yeah, just shooting. And my son was watching it. He had his friends. They and then they pulled it up on YouTube and we're just like laughing about it. Watching you. I don't know if that's cool or not, but you know, they were watching it. But for me, honestly, the whole Gilmore Girl I remember when it happened originally when it first aired, and you know, our fan base was like, oh my goodness, yes, they're all Gilmore Girls. That's awesome. But for me, you know, that's that's that was what that was twenty years ago. Yeah, I think it was like April May two thousand one will pull the exact day, but I think so it was sort of right before before you guys were saying you took a break, So it was right at the height of it all and the height of these boy bands. I mean, my my daughter's fifteen and a half. She wasn't even alive when that happened. For her, this is this is the closest she ever gets to seeing like kind of no, I mean not to sound, you know, arrogant, but how big we were. I mean, it's it's uh, if you were big, you were big. You can brag about it. You guys were treat did okay, okay, alright. It's interesting how many fans are writing in because in the episode that you I'm sure you remember, it's in saying ninety degrees and then Emily Gilmurg calls them the backside boys. But we're getting so many fans writing and new kids on the block, new kids on the block, so they were sort of forgotten a little bit at that time because they hadn't sort of had their big come back yet. But I think it's so interesting because I do think it plays as well today twenty years later. Yeah. So the original air date of this episode was April two thousand one, twenty years ago. You know, it does answer the question because fans are you know, I was always mystified when I was a teenager why people broke up in great bands and this kind of a thing. And and it's always kids. They have kids, and you don't want to be away from your kids. And I had a son, and I was on the road a lot, and I called my wife and I said, I'm coming home. I can't do this anymore. I miss him. I don't want to miss even a moment of his childhood. And he I mean, he was God at that time, he was three years old. But I didn't want to miss it. I don't want to. I don't want to be one of those dads. So I get it. I get it. I mean, you guys did the good thing. You're good guys. You know you're stuck by your kids. Good for you. Um, so what's it like now? Tell me what you're doing now and what exciting things you're doing other than you know, these tours. Are you still doing your own music. You're doing individual uh solo careers and doing your own stuff too. I mean we're all we're all working on different individual projects. But yeah, ninety degrees is still together and going strong. We uh, we released a single earlier in the summer, which is It's what thirty. It's on It's on the Hot Art to for you on one of the charts, the Hot A C Chart out. We just got an email about it. So we're somewhat back in the mix. Du Yeah, so we we just released that, so we're shooting videos for that and we're recording new music. Um, you know, still touring, so we are. We are still in the thick of it. Yeah, we're nice. Not just steal line from the Backyard Agains but ended that day. Um yeah, I mean we're still going strong. I would love to see you guys, I really would, um. I you know, Amy will tell me when you guys are playing l A or something, I'll come see you. I'd love to see you guys performately. I know, Drew, I hope your kid thinks it's cool that you talked to Luke from the Gilmore Girl. She she's in her room right now. But if I if I brought her down, she'd be like, oh my god, Dad, go get her, Go get her. It'll be, it'll be fune. Go get her, seriously, go get her. We'll wait, all right, you know, seriously, go get her. That's fine, it'll be, it'll be. It'll be a wonderful family thing. Go ahead, do it. Hold on, we'll talk to Jeff. We'll talk to you. Jeff, you invented, you invent you started degrees. You're the guy. Well, yes, I have more way, you're the guy. He's the guy. I started it trying to you know, look, in college, I've had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't even really into music that much. I was always I always got pulled into doing music. I can't form a really small time. It's all about football, so I want to play football, and thinking wasn't cool. But we were at a party and I had been so many different vocal groups and stuff, and we were trying to impress some girls. So it really was very shallow the reason I started the group. But then I love I fell in love with the music and the business part of the behind the music and all the inner workings. What what people like you do and how all the different marketing that goes into promotions and just became a nerd of the entertainment business in general. Interesting that you say that, Jeff, because the one thing I will say about boy bands, you know, knowing Lamp so well in ages so well, is these guys grind like, they work hard. They'll do whatever we need them to do all the time. And they're always doing you know, they always have fifty different things going. And maybe that's just the mentality you have to have to be in a group like that. Well, look, and I think we've all experienced what it's like when you don't pay attention to the business part. All three group have their horror stories about you know, look getting robbed and you know, you know the things that most artists can counter at one point or another in their careers with regards to the financial part and all that. So we had to learn learn the business quickly. And you know, for us, you know, we didn't have there you go is h what's your name? H? She was doing her homework, so okay, came down. What's your name is Scott? Nice to meet you. How are young? This is my oldest. My youngest is eleven, and he's probably bouncing around somewhere too. He hasn't girls yet. We have to know if you like Gilmore Girls, are you Luke and Lorali forever and always? Are you Team Jess, Team Logan or team Dean? I don't know, probably team Jess. So there you go. There you go, fast day with family. Gotta keep keeping in the family. And then literally during all of COVID um, you know, of course, families were bonding and watching different stuff, and I would literally walk into the room and her and my wife would be like laying on the couch together watching just Gilmore Girls. And then they get mad if somebody went an episode ahead, and then they have to catch up. So it was like the it was the whole, the whole thing. So Young Moore girls help get our family through COVID and quarantine. So thank you, well, no, thank you my god. I mean, you know, I was I was just a small part of that band, you know, and and it worked out for everybody. But yeah, you guys are the absolute best. Jeff Drew, We can't thank you enough. You guys are the best. Always. Yeah that pleasure happy at the end of it, go go back to doing homework. But but guys, great meeting you love hearing your story. I love talking to guys and gals who are the dream and who worked their butts off and and and make it. I mean, it's just it's it's the most interesting part of of life for me. I mean, I don't care what it is. I love these stories. I love these stories. And congratulations to all your success and keep going. People love you, and uh, I'm gonna come see you. I really want to go. You know, I was booked on a personal appearance, and I thought I was the main gig some Heriss's private party, and they you know how that is, they fly you in, right, you guys do that a lot. So I thought I was the main attraction until uh, Nick Carter showed up and put on a lot a little acoustics set and it's like, you know, I wasn't familiar with the music, but I remembered some of the hits he was singing, and I just thought, boy, this guy is really good and he's you know that he's got that seasoned and you all have that seasoned professional approach to how to perform, and it's just also great. So I would love to be a guest if you can manage it okay, next time you, guys, but I'd love to see I'm a huge fan. I write a lot of music and I huge fan of performers. So anyway, guys, thank you for taking the time. You've got. Best of luck, keep it up. Uh, your your your music is needed and it's you know, it's it's helping people heal. It just is you're bringing joy to people and that's the bottom line, right, So you're in the happiness business and you're making people very very happy. Thanks again, guys. Hope to have you back on again soon. Take care, all right, guys, Hi guys, thank you, all right, Thanks guys. All right, Wow that was that was aren't they the best? They're cool? Wow? That was great. People are definitely we can tell from the response because people are going nuts. They're definitely passionate about boy bands in general. But they do have their picks their face, some good singers, some guys that can really sing. You know. It's like that changed music. It changed music, change popular music. Guys that could actually sing. All right, everybody, Well, that was a trip down memory lane for y'all. I hope you enjoyed it. I really liked meeting those guys. They you know, such solid guys, aren't they? Such smart, driven guys who really know what they're doing and very talented people. Ah, that was great. That was great. And Amy and Riley. We have to go to one of their shows. We will. Riley was just with them in Vegas. She was literally just with him. We will. They'll. They've been playing Vegas a bunch, but they'll do a show in l I want to go there. Also, take you, We'll take you? Can you take me? Can you? Will you get me in? Or will they laugh at me in backstage? We'll take you back because I'm over sixty, so it's like, what are you doing here? We'll get you a T shirt and all I I auditioned to be a drummer and I didn't make it, but I still want to compare my respects to the boys. Do it al right, everybody, we'll be back after these words. Yeah, alright, everybody, We're back and we are ready to discuss ps I love, which I did not know what on earth you were talking about last week when you say and we'll break down ps L dot dot dot so we don't know how to I thought my computer was like you know, the the internet connection was unstable again and you were going ps about that, and I'm like, what what did you say? What did you say? Anyway, you have a question, so right off the bat and Riley you chime into. Because this has befuddled me for like a number of episodes. I don't understand why Rory didn't just tell her mom at least, but tell everybody what actually happened. Like, it's so weird that we've had this weird misunderstanding where everyone's so mad at Dean when really, yeah, Dean didn't do anything. I think there's a measure of shame. She didn't want to admit that she couldn't say it back, and she was I think she was just really confused. I mean, she's sixteen and all these feelings he's intended. She's obviously very intelligent. You know, she's got that backbone made of iron that she inherited from her mother and her grandmother. And I just think there's a level of shame that you don't want to admit that you don't have it together, and you you sort of choked in the in the moment, but what didn't you don't really understand the reason why, Yeah, Okay. So that's a great, great satisfying answer to my question. And that makes the scene in Rory's bedroom at Emily's that much more poignant because Laurel I says, this is my fault that you felt this um yeah that that last speech. It's and and it really, you know, it boils down to, you know, the example that Laurel is setting for her and Rory just like just rakes her over the coals in that walk and talk in front of high school like well, you know, you know, my god, well you'll just break up and then get back together and you'll break up again, and like I don't even want to, like, you know, invest in that. Just let me know when you're like it's in the late innings and I'll you know, I'll tune in or something. And she ever give a serious answer, like she calls out lower life for all the pity. Yeah, like enough with the bs and just I'm not in the mood right now. It's like it's she's almost like a more mature version, uh of her mother, almost. But and stop deflecting and stop trying to keep everything light and let's get real here, because these are serious issues for her and it's like, hey, mom, these your life decisions are impacting me in a very deep way, and I want to talk about it. And I'm confused about it, and I don't understand half of it, you know. And it's like, you know, Max this and Max that and Dean and you know it's it's it's tough stuff. And how do you feel if your teacher calls for class? I mean, that was like, oh, this is just so uncomfortable. And and there are the those of you out there that hate this when I talk about acting, but I love talking about acting. So I'm going to talk about acting again, so you may. We will, we will allow it. I thought it was one of Alexis's best moment in front of a camera when she had that scene with Scott Cohen with Max and she was finding out. I mean, how wonderfully subtle her work was, and just like she couldn't believe it, but man, she she was. She was keeping her feelings closed to the vest enough that he couldn't see it, but enough that we could. So that was great she was. I think that's perfectly said she that we all felt uncomfortable. Yeah, these kids are good. I mean Jared and and Alexis are just they really showed what kind of acting chops they had. That's all I'll say about the acting. I don't want to piss anybody off. What you have to say a little more. You have to say more because that scene upsets people, Jared and Lauren in in Doci's Market because she's up in his face and he was so perfect act and then sort of like leave me alone, lady, like your daughter hurt me right, And he's got to play that fine line of not getting angry and making you know, making everybody turn the channel and with and also not playing the victim at the same time, this sort of justifiable intensity. And that's he's he was a very fine young actor at eighteen years old. He was eighteen years old. I mean, imagine, I agree these two are just anyway. That's all I'll say about the acting. Do you think Lane should have just told Rory right off the bat that because obviously shouldn't pick Dean to be her partner. Obviously they got paired. Should she have just told her? Look this blows, but like you know, Mr So and So put us together and now I got to have Dean at my house because it was so brutal when Rory walks in. I think Lane has so much crept to deal with from her own mother that she didn't really want to you know, she really didn't want to heap that onto to Rory when she knows she's heartbroken and she knows she's going through a hard time. Uh, it would have just been it probably would have just felt like, you know, rubbing salt in the wound, and she didn't want to do that, but she had this reality. And there again, there maybe there should have been an explanation as to how they ended up as study partners. I was wondering, like, boy, that there's a piece here missing, and maybe that's intentional, because how did she end up with him? Because it would have been easy in one sentence to explain it. They didn't, So I agree there was some intention quick scene like you know, it's a you know, it's a pot pourri or whatever. They picked the scene part or whatever. They were paired right right, or they happened to share the same passion for a certain area of biology and I don't know, frog digestive systems or something which would have made that joke work a little better. At the dinner table, which and it was still good. There's so many heavy things happening because you haven't even dealt with yet. That Rory after she has the big fight, tells no one and just gets in a cab and goes to her grandparents. And I think, wow, that said a lot that she's that close with them. Now. She didn't go to Lane, she didn't go to Suki, she didn't go she went to her grandparents. Well, listen, I remember talking about this in the beginning, about how inappropriate the Max Laurel I think was, And I knew the chickens would have come home to roost at some point, and there they did in that episode. Uh. And I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. And and I think it's there's an emotional logic that makes this show so great because you predict what's going to happen without it really seeing it coming. Almost. I mean, it's it's like, when is it going I feel it should happen, it could happen, but I don't know when it's going to happen. It doesn't happen in an obvious way, and it happens down the line, and there it was, there was, there was the blow up. It's like, you know, people sort of not being open and not communicating and not trusting each other enough and not telling people stuff when they should. And that's those seeds were planted in the very beginning of the show. Like that that Emily and Richard welcomed her right in that made me you know, they really, they really, she is their top priority. They'll cancel their plans. They don't care that they're all dressed up and ready to go. She comes first to them, and I think she knows that now. So I did sort of like that, and I thought, Emily, you know, something that really stood out to me was there at the table and Roy says, oh, you talk to my mom? Is she mad? And Emily says she was concerned? And I thought the way Emily handled that was so beautiful because Emily, you know, could have been snarkier, but no, she handled it. Would have it would have ruined the character. She'd handle it any other way. She had to be classing, up front and honest. She had to be. And you know, there's one thing that just popped in my head, the operative word in this episode, I think as far as Rory's story is concerned, as protection and she mentioned that a couple of times, like why does everybody feel like they have to protect me? And stop protecting me? This kind of thing. And she has a real point, and I think that's why she was cast. Not only is she skilled, but her the way she looks and that sweet little voice, you do want to protect her. So they had to get somebody that exuded vulnerability. Um, and there you have it, Um, there you have it, and that and that actress right there in alexis Um. Such a sweet face and such a sweet voice, and such a such a fine mind, you know, to go along, and such a good heart. And I mean, what what a what a wonderful, wonderful person she is, And who wouldn't want to protect her? I mean everybody? I mean look at look at what Look at what Lane goes through. I mean Lane acted like a jilted lover, like she is devastated. She was so happy for that hug at the end performance. And look, I don't pretend to be like the best acting critic in the world, but to me, performance is flawless. There's they all just seems so real. Yeah, you can't criticize I mean, from Richard all the way to Kirk like and in between, like every single performance just is flawless. I agree, and every little bit too because we there's always so many storylines. We haven't even talked about your crappy cat gift and the makeover because that was major, like that cat, you know, the you know the cat gift Jesus that the cat pottled or so bad. So that's the that's the real question, isn't it is Laurel I acting more as a friend or more as the person try to drive a wedge between his successful relationship with seeing some light at the end of the tunnel for looking Laura life. It's not intentional, but no, I don't think it was shopping. It's not intentional, but nobody is shopping for their body right, shop for their boyfriend, like exactly, come yeah, I just is he that clueless where you know he just needs some but a friend like that to do that for him? No, because it was so that's what a husband and wife do. Like the whole thing was like the way a couple behaves, except that these two just won't acknowledge their a couple because no dude is going to try on some just friends random outfit you did it because it's her. Come on. The whole thing is so blatant. Are they so in love and so unaware of it that they just fall into this rhythm? See they do. They fall into that rhythm with each other right away. It doesn't matter the circumstance. I mean, then Rachel and she leaves. As soon as Rachel walks in, she Laura I just says, well, okay, bye. It's like thing is just so again flawless because he Luke takes the outfit. Of course it looks great on him, and then the belt breaks and he's got the belt on. Come on. But that's telling you know, that's telling Rachel pretty much we're not going to work out because you know, why isn't she doing that? And why is she doing that with Laura? Why is he doing that with Laura La? And what is going on? Those two look like they're along together. And yeah, I don't think Luke. Luke wouldn't have allowed Laura La to do it, and he really didn't allow her to do it. Um, But if he was really in love with Rachel and really wanted to have something really and he felt a real future was happening, he would have told her and he did. He never would have agreed to the wardrobe fitting, correct, He would not have put the clothes on and come out and been fitted and you know, been his sort of complaining self. But you know, he wouldn't have let it get to that point because he would have been like, like, what if Rachel sees us. I mean, it's right in the diners, right in your face. Is not a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. But I mean, come on, it's like those two are so connected and they have the chemistry and they have the whole thing. That's his cheating. He can't help himself with Laurela. He's already like emotionally kind of cheating because he has the feelings. He might not be admitting it to himself, but like all of us are like, I mean, but look at him. I mean, he not only did a rant, a rant over the what is the meal gloves or the kitten gloves or whatever they were? The kitten ofven mets were okay, So he did that rant about giving gifts, and then he did a double rant, right, what was the double rant over he did? And he had her the credit card also so quickly. Those are not things you do like you you do that with someone that you're so tight with, like they acted like a married because they've been married. Spend it's just like here's my credit card, like I completely trust you, what's mine is yours like it's just And she handles the rants so beautifully because she's amused by it. And this is Luke And this is what I love about Luke. He's so unfiltered and so real that I love this guy. And she stands there and does her funny little lines and she's the only one that can probably handle him totally. And we're also realizing how doomed, for lack of a better word, Mr Medina, Max and Loria Lee are because she didn't even tell anybody. And I know she's sort of backpedaling that at the end, but it's like, come on, yeah, you know I I have very little commentary about the Max Medina today this episode, which will make some people very happy. I'm sure you know my comment on Max Medinas that's a head of hair. That's a nice set of hair, isn't it. Let's be let's let's be positive about Max Medina. That poor s O B is in a situation. I mean, he walked into the middle of a volcano, an active volcano, and the poor guy is just getting lava all over him and he's just he's gonna he's gonna get burned. He's getting burned totally. It's getting so it's getting more and more obvious that that's going to happen. And I think the scene in the bedroom at the Gilmore's, you know, Richard and Emily's, where Loyal lies opening up about her own flaws and how she doesn't want Rory to have those flaws. You realize again, Max isn't prepared for this, but Luke is. Luke knows her and can handle this completely, whereas Max is all like, why don't you tell Rory? Oh? You know, honestly, dude, she's not ready. She didn't tell anybody because she's not ready to admit any of this. You know, any judgments or criticism that you may have had during the episode towards Laurelay's character are wiped away in that scene, that very last scene, because she comes off so smart and so loving and so caring and so just brilliant a mother. I agree, and I don't want to pass my flaws onto you. And I know I have them right. It's it's just what a gorgeous scene. And that was a scene that that was a gory That was my favorite scene. It was just gorgeous. It really was just a beautiful scene. Yeah, because it really made you they had so much tension and with that explanation everything was okay and they were good and I thought it was really cool, even though there was a moment of sort of snark in it that Laura Lee said, thank you mom. Yeah, you know, I think she'd snarky right out, but it was great. It was like, how much would you want to live in that house? We'll see you tomorrow night seven o'clock shop, Oh is it seventh? Good night, Laurela. It's like to at that house with a homemade pop tart and the lamb sandwich, like the whole thing. I'm like, no, wonder you want to go here? Me too? I mean that place is how rich are a bay? I know we always say it, but it's like there's just something to make you, like a homemade breakfast and the skirts being ironed, and it's just like what a place that it? How great with it? When Richard popped his newspaper back up after Emily said, you know, you know, or you've you've never nobody's ever been able to get Richard lower and stop reading his newspaper and then the whole thing each episode and I know, I just we say this like a broken record, but each episode tops the one before. That's not I know, how does it get better than this? Is going to get better than this one? Yes, look, we're coming to the end of season one, but we all know because we've had Milo like Jess is coming, Jess is coming so soon. Wait he's coming. Oh boy, I can't wait. We gotta have him on the show again. Oh my god, how great is We're gonna we have to have him on the show again. Hey everybody again. Uh. If you haven't gotten tickets yet to New York Comic Con at the Javits Center October seven eight, to come see me, do it. Go to New York Comic Con dot com or go to scott ep dot com s C O T, T y P and click the link that will take you to New York Comic Con and you can buy your tickets. I will be there October seventh and eight at the Javits Center in New York City. The Big Apple I'm coming to the Apple and uh that's a Thursday and Friday. Okay, So I hope to see everybody there. Okay, I mean we gotta do pot Pultrick is running out of time. Let's go, right, Ryan, this is I'm Riley this year pop culture. Three minutes to get through it all, speed round. Okay. So first we have Laura, Lee and Rory are in the diner and they're playing the game as men walked by one to three. You know, he's yours and Laura Lie says, because I'm not. Anna Nicole Smith after pointing to an old man. So while before performing at a Houston strip club in October nineteen and one, Smith met eighty six year old petroleum tycoon J. Howard Marshall. Anna married her husband, J. Howard Marshall, and the two had a sixty three year aged gap between them. So Anna was in you know, hot water when there was quite a scandal when the question came to be who the father was of her daughter, Danny Lynn. Yeah, that was after the old guy died, right, yes, he passed away. So then they went on to the scandal scandal and Anna's living partner, Howard case Stern's name was on the birth certificate, but the actual father ended up being Larry Burkhead, who you know he's now the father. Moving on, While on the phone with Max, Laura Lai asked Max to make a gorilla sound and he says why, and she says, I want to play and I want to play Wild Kingdom. So we have made reference to this before Gilmore Girls Girls did in season one, episode fourteen. But here a couple more fun facts. The show came under heavy criticism for staging scenes of animal capture or rescue for simply a dramatic effect, and Johnny Carson, the legendary talk show host, was a huge fan of the show. Laura I buys closed for Luke as we talked about in the diner at the mall, and would like for him to try something new. Laura I says, just for once, wouldn't it be nice to be dressed like an extra? For Seven Brides and Seven Brothers. This is a nine four American musical film. For the bride's costumes designer Walter Plunkett went to the Salvation Army found old quilts and turned them into dresses. And it was originally supposed to be called a bride for seven brothers. But they thought this would be a little too risk. Ay, you have two minutes too much? Okay, Laura I finds out Rory is that Emily and Richard's house, and more, liceays to Max know that house is not safe. It's like Amityville Hohore, without the fun, without the good times. So The Annimityville Horror is a book by American author j Anson was published in nineteen seventy seven. It is also the basis for a series of films ranging from nineteen seventy nine to one. The nineteen seventy nine films started James Berlin and Market kidder Um. The two thousand five renditions started Ryan Reynolds and Melissa George. Okay, next we have Laura Lee is talking about how Rory is so much like Laura Lie but does not want her to be like that. In the love life department, Laura lies for it. Says, for example, say you're dating Taylor Hanson. Roy says Hanson still together. Laura La says, they're like the New Begs. Another boy brand reference, another boymand reference, and all three of them are actually still together. All three are married, and they have about fifteen kids between the three of them. Moving on to the bgs. Bgs were popular in the late nineteen seventies. The three brothers Barry, Robin and Maurice were best friends and all headhouses right next to each other might be Morris. I think it's spelled Maurice, but it's Morris. Laura Lai says, good, Okay. Last week we were talking about Meryl Streep in the whole Accent thing, and Rachel said that she loved Out of Africa, but she had never read the book. Remember so Out of Africa's American epic romantic dramas. Darring Meryl Streep and Robert Redford, the film was basically based loosely on the book. Meryl Streep was nominated for Best Actress in the Leading role, but sadly did not win. UM. Moving on to the next one, Dean asked Lane this question after meeting Mrs Kim because this is kim is demanding and strict personality. Dean says, how she seen Patton Patton Is In nineteen seventy American epic biographic more film UM. George C. Scott won the Academy Award for Best Actor and famously refused to accept it, claiming the competition between actors was unfair. Last one, Laura and Emily are in the hallway after Rory runs it away into Emily and Richards and lorya lie size. Excuse me, Mr Castle, hotel Howard, This says Howard, Yeah, keep going, Keep going. Howard Coast was an American sports jouralist and author. He became prominent in and influential during his time at ABC Sports from nineteen eighty five. He was known for his blustering and confident personality. Some argue Howard belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, he's a legend. My favorite, my favorite line delivered by Richard. I'm sorry you're upset, but I applaud your timing. Oh that was great. That was great. It was great. It was great. Give your line, Lola says, I'm buzzed on the sugar and jazzed about the purchases. Nice. My my favorite line wasn't a line again. I'm gonna give. I'm gonna I'm gonna adopt my cap to Yannick Truesdale as Michelle, who simply when found out that Max said it's personal phone call, he threw the phone at Laureli. It was hysterical. Yes, okay. Next week is the final episode of c We haven't even talked about how militant Mrs Kim was in this episode. She's never been more unhinged. I mean she attacked Dean verbally. Right, Oh my god. It was so funny stuff. All right, everybody that's gonna do it for this episode? What another rollicking affair. We had degrees, we had a breakdown. We had a three minute pop culture. This was like It's like it was like that you got Drews Kid through quarantine. That's just like the connective tissue winner was he really? Yeah? He has that mirrable. I think he does. He's a mirrable anyway. Next week, next week, final episode of season one. Next week is the final episode. We do. We have special guests. The guests the heat. We're bringing the heat, aren't we are? We're bringing some heat, alright, guysing announcement next week too, So oh we do. That's right, and I cannot reveal it now, but there is a very very very exciting announcement. You're gonna love this. People are gonna love this. Um, We're gonna have We're having a ball with this anyway, guys, see you next time. Thanks for everything, Stay safe, all the best. H Hey everybody, and don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I heart radio dot com. Oh you gil More fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company scotty P dot com, s c O T t y P dot com, Scott e P dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee. Yeah.