I Am all In, All I Am all In with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, it's Scott Patterson and this is the I Am All In Podcast with I Heart Radio and one of eleven productions. And so listen, everybody, We've got a special guest, uh synopsis, sir, coming in today to to stand in not permanently, but Riley's a little under the weather. She's been brave enough and courteous enough and courageous enough to come on today to hand it off to the the very capable Danielle Romo to do the synopsis. So Riley, go ahead and hand it off in your inimitable style to Danielle. I just have to say, you guys are in great hands to it with Danielle. She's going to give you the most beautiful synopsis you've ever heard. So Danielle, take it away. I am so nervous. Okay, Season two, episode seven, Like Mother, Like Daughter, Air date November two, and here's a synopsis. Rory realizes she is perceived as a loner, and her reluctant efforts to socialize Lander in the most popular click at Chiltern while Laura LII volunteers the inn as a venue for children fundraising fashion show, and it's horrified to find herself modeling matching outfits with her mother, Emily. How did I do? That was darn respectable? I said, it's pretty darn good, Riley, and can go back to bed and don't be sick for too long, because this Danielle romo has potential as a synopsis. I'm coming. I don't know about that, but I'll tell you that was pretty tight. I'm very impressed. It was amazing a little Nike. Well, um right, you're gonna conk oh. You know I can't stay away from on lin for too long. Alright, alright, I feel better. We are going to break down Like Mother, Like Daughter, Season two, Episodes seven. What an episode. I think Amy and I are gonna lock horns on this one this week. We're gonna lock horns big time. I love this episode and I love you in it. But that's look that that's great and I appreciate it. Um I thought it was. I don't know. Was it a little awkward for you at the top? Was it a little forced and a little pushed and everything about this whole episode. I laughed hysterically the whole time at the top of the episode though, So, I mean you told me that. You told me that. Uh, when we were going back and forth during the week, which we do a lot, you said, I love this episode. I can't stop laughing. And I thought, is she talking about the episode? Because I watched the episode last night and I didn't really laugh until Michelle came on. Yeah, the jokes, the jokes didn't land with me. In the beginning, between mother and daughter, it just seemed like they were doing stick It just seemed like it just didn't seem like it was real or acting or it was just it felt a little sticky to me. And then Michelle came on and he did his thing about you know, I'll do this favor for you if you get me a cheese, American cheese and a Marine cookie and the cookie, and that's when I finally laughed. You know, that was pretty early on. Yeah, I started cracking up by the time, you know, Headmaster Charleston was telling Rory to get some friends, and then all that with Laurea la and then she has to join the Boosters and then you I mean, I'm going so fast, but I was dying laughing when the fashion show runaway still thing, and she says I loved her work in Pizza but m M, no, great, there were some great lines. It's just the whole thing just seemed a little I don't know, there was just something. Oh my god, you didn't love the end the in the diner, so not the very very end, but the end with you and Lora Lee going back and forth about Eva the booster Mom. But I think it was very predictable. I thought that was very, very predictable. That scene, of course, was inevitable. There's there's there's a difference between inevitable and predictable. Um, I just knew it was coming without a shadow of a doubt. I don't want to know that it's so on the nose that it's coming. I'm being too critical. I'm in a critical mood. And it's fine. It makes for great conversation. But I loved it from the moment that Brenda Strong, who played this single booster Mom, says you're cute and musclely and strong or whatever, and Lora La is immediately like w TF, Like I don't like this at all. She doesn't even know why. Correct, But that's what I love about, right, I know her feelings are so deeply buried that she doesn't know if I'm a friend or somebody she wants. And then I think it's we're friends and she's not aware of any feelings that she has, and they don't come to the surface very often, and it takes some kind of a situation. So you think I'm wrong about that. I don't think she's not. She's not sitting around waiting for me to ask her out, that's for sure. She's not hyper aware that she loves you. But who says to their friend, please don't date this person? Zero? People say that if they don't have feelings for the person zero. I agree, I agree, But I think so here's okay, here's what I'm I'm not struggling with it. But you know, the realization that Luke and Laurela have the kind of a flirtation that is already it's already. They've been married for twenty years, and they're sick of each other. There's so much familiarity, there's so much comfort between those two that they just don't give it damn sort of, you know what I mean. There's that yes, yeah, I'm gonna go out whatever bum they're out and and and and they can argue and he can get lose his temper a little bit and she can lose her temper and it's okay. There's such a grounded familiarity that it's like they've already been married. They are the quintessential old married couple. They are they are, they truly are, and that's how they treat each other. It's just there's no but with love. They're not nasty the scene right right, there's no like we're not going to So it's so is it weird with with these two Luke and Lorelai where there's a there's no honeymoon phase? So we have we have, you know, all of this familiarity and all of this. So we're friends and it's sort of where we love each other but we're not going to acknowledge it. And you know, we're very are familiar with each other like friends punching each other and they are that kind of thing and getting mad at each other and then then we shift gears and go into a honeymoon phase. Is that going to be any phase? Maybe you're never going to have that, you know, I'm just saying if I haven't seen everything, because it's like a honeymoon phase is like fake and who cares and it's just b s. It's like, these two are so real. And I love that Luke pushed back on her because a smitten guy like we kind of know you are, would have been like, no, I'm not gonna date her. Don't worry, I'm gonna date he I'm not gonna date her. But instead you're like, excuse me, I'll date whoever I want. And it was just so baller. And then she's like and you have this little fight and then she's like everybody knows how you get back to stars Hollow, like everyone. I mean, the whole thing was so funny. That was good. It was good. But you know who you can ask in the waiting room, do you want to reveal who's here? Because you could get some Really, she's here already. We didn't even get to discuss the episode. We'll come back. We're gonna come back, but it's fresh, I know, but this will this will help it along. This is if you know, I have to get to this. Where's this rundown? She's very impressive, very she's like extremely She's got so much I can't even read. Her resume is so long and so interesting. I can't even get through it. It's like I keep stopping going are you kidding me? Wow? Um let's anyway, So we've got Brenda Strong coming on. And she played Eva and uh like mother, like daughter, and she had a couple of really great scenes. And I understand that she is getting a note here that she's in the waiting room. Can we bring her on? Hi? Brenda, how are you doing? Good? Thanks for coming on and playing with us. To Emmy nominations and to Screen Actors Guilds Awards. Wow. All after we worked together, it was all what happens? See what happens? You doing? I'm shoulders a little bit. I'm good. Good. It's twenty years ago we did that thing, and it seems like yesterday. She does funny because, of course, you know, in preparation for this, I watched it again and the dialogue just started coming back to me, and all my cues started coming back to me. And it's funny, how you know, as actors we store these things in the recesses of our mind. And Amy Sherman Palladino's dialogue is just so snappy, and I remember her telling me what a fan of Aaron Sorkin's she was um and and also you know, Lauren said that she loved Sports Night. So I just felt like immediately they welcomed me into that kind of amazing pattern, um, that they would have. And and it was really fun to see the episode again, right, that was a fun That was a fun episode. I had little problems, but I felt it was a little forced in the beginning between mother and daughter. It was just getting a little sticky for me. Um. I went on to lay back a little more on the acting, but it was just so no no Laurel, Laurea, la and Rory in the beginning, all the openings, the openings are hard, you know, and they do them very well. Sometimes they're a little off for me. I don't know, I'm being too critical probably, but we also it was early on. This was season two. Yeah, yeah, And I think I think the problem, you know, I think that really comes in with the volume of work that those two had to do and feeling like they had to be up, up, up all the time and getting the note like, hey, maybe it's you know, it's just kind of laying there. Can you up the energy and let's drink some more coffee? And get some more. So I think this is one of the times maybe they drank too much coffee. Um and just in the beginning, though, just in the beginning, I thought the rest of it was masterful. But I'm here to break them down. So how did you get the part? Do you remember the whole process of that? And I don't. I don't remember if it was just a straight offer. I had done a series for Warner Brothers previously called The Help, not the film to Help, but um, the short lived six episode comedy to Help UM. And I think Warner Brothers just knew my work and said you'd be great in this. And I think Amy and you might work from Sports Night and UM, I can't remember if I had already done the pilot for Desperate Housewives. I don't think I had. UM, So I think it was really just, you know, working with Aaron Sorkin kind of gave me some kind of stamp of approval. Um, because I don't remember auditioning for it, and I usually remember them. I did a lot of them. What about what about on set? Who'd you hang out with on set? Do you remember? Um? I hung out a lot with Lauren um. Uh, you know, I didn't have much work with anybody else. I mean, it was just that core group of boosters, UM, who I just met basically, and then you. Um. It was funny because I was watching an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm UM this last season with Julie Bowen, and they were exchanging secrets as a first state kind of warm up, and one of his secrets was fast route to the Valley from the West Side. And I was thinking about the directions you gave me at the end of the episode, UM, and and how you know, good directions are always hard, but I don't you know, I think Lauren was very warm with me. Um. You know, the whole the whole fashion show thing. It was so funny because people just assume because I'm tall, that I modeled, and of course I haven't, but I can pretend I did, so UM. I thought it was I think that what I remember more than anything that episode was the tension of the crew with the director. M I don't remember the crew really enjoying the direction. And there were a lot of There were a lot of cooks in the kitchen. Oh, that may may have explained that opening. Yeah, there were a lot of cooks in the kitchen on that something was off, and I think the crew at one point actually left a help wanted sign on his windshield circle. It was really bad. It was really bad, and I felt so bad for him because, as you know, you know, guest stars and guest directors were guests. So our job is to come in and do the thing like everyone is normally doing the thing, but just add a little extra spice. And I think I think there was just and you know, it's certainly I have no idea if it was any fault of his or if it was just the chemistry thing. It wasn't quite jiding. You know that that happens from time to time. It does happen. I was on another series where we had somebody coming, like a celebrated director come in on a single camera comedy, and it just that there was so much tension and it was just I had to sort of step up and say, hey, you know, look, we do this a certain way, and we like to block our rehearsals. It's sort of, you know, we don't like to be told where to go stand. It's not terribly professional. I'm glad you have it all thought out, but we like to be organic about it and like we'd like to discover it. We'd like to discover exactly exactly pretty basic stuff. So yeah, that can cause a lot of tension to Yeah, directed, did you ever direct any of the episodes? Oh god, no, oh no, they wouldn't let me near that show as a director after a long run, you know, sometimes actor, I don't think anybody ever directed any of those episodes. No actors, No, oh I don't. I don't think so, Lauren. No. I think if anybody was going to would have been, but she didn't and she just had too much on her plate. Maybe she wanted to, and she would have been wonderful, but um god, I don't recall anybody directing. I see this a lot where you know somebody sure she Sure she did. I mean she would do three or four a season for five season. Yeah, Dan would to see exactly exactly They knew exactly what to listen for, what the rhythm was, where the jokes were. I mean, you can see it in the marvelous Mrs Maisel that that signature of theirs is just so evident in the work that they continued to refine and do so brilliantly. Um, so you know you can you can kind of get the voice early on in those years and how it developed. It's funny because I went on and worked with the costume designer Caroline Marks on Thirteen Reasons Why, and she told me that she had designed Um the Father character after her own father and had dressed him like she's to see her father dress. So it's fun how you know, these little threads of relationships kind of crossover. I'm surprised we've never worked together again. It was a match made in heaven, and there's you know, I don't get it either. I mean, I feel like I feel like my interest in you kind of sparked her interest and started to build that tension. As the years went on. I'm sure you know you guys went through lots of incarnations of the tension field of the romance we were We were just discussing that aspect. Yeah, how we sort of treat each other like we've been married for twenty years and we're just kind of over it. We're so familiar with each other, it's like way past the honeymoon phase and we just don't I mean, I I think I wanted more than she does. I'm more aware of it and more conscious conscious of it, of my feelings for her than she is a mind for me, because she's just got so much on her plate and she's raising her daughter and she's running me in and she's you know, trying to cure her h im an empty nest syndrome that she will experience. So she needs, you know, she wants to have a life herself. So she's out there trying to get it. And I don't blame her, but I don't think I'm on her mind as much as she's on mine. Um, And every once in a while she needs that little reminder and she got it right. Um. So you so you were part of the Booster fashion show. Um, did you have any say in the dress that you wore when you were going down the catwalk? Um? Not that I recall, you know, So that was that was all Brenda costume designer Brenda Maybe. Yeah, I didn't really have a say in what I wore, just the fact that it fit. And I think she wanted it to be a little bit flashier so that the mother daughter read suits, you know, the red dresses, kind of the Nancy Reagan kind of matching suits would be a little more staid. So it would make Lauren's character more uncomfortable to have to wear that. Um, and certainly it was much more flashy in order to gain your attention in some capacity, to make her jealous, even though she didn't quite admit to being jealous. Um. Yeah, no, I didn't really have any saying that. So it was a very short runway right, it was. It was y'all had to milk it right and take short steps. Do you think anything would have come of Luke and Eva if Laurla hadn't said anything at the end? Oh, I think there was definitely in ist. Um No, I don't think so. I think you you probably you know, there's a lot of people that just don't see what's in front of them because their mind is somewhere else. And I think you were already gone for her in some capacity, so no amount of flirting could have um convinced you out otherwise. Um, I don't know what you know. I don't know what other interest would have been there. Clearly I was interested, so I would have I think you put the kabash on that, um, But um, what else was it going to say? I wanted to talk about just overall how much I love the fact that this show was centered around women's relationships because so many shows are centered around male female relationships, and the fact that it's intergenerational mother daughter, and that it skips a generation and that the youngest uh female in the family line is really the this soul among them, um, and that this kind of rejecting the generation that you come from, only to find it it's full circle to come back again. Um. And also the strength. You know, I love the fact that um, strong women are a theme with her, and women trying to find who they are and find their own voice and be the individual that they are, regardless of the age. UM. I just think it's great. UM. So I was happy to kind of represent a certain stratosphere of that and also be someone who's still obviously this is a woman who has money, who has you know, her kids in the right schools, and yet she's still looking for a partner. So you know, it's just it was nice that the show is driven by the women's voices, absolutely, um um, and I really appreciate that, and that kind of led to Desperate Housewives, which was all driven by the women's voices. We're gonna We're gonna get to esperate Housewives for sure. Um, well we'll get there. Um, so you have been on Cheers, Dallas, Star Trek, twin Peaks, tell me that you're going way back. Well you know, I mean, you've got an impressive list of credits here. How did you get into acting? You know, it's funny. Um, I started out as a dancer. So when I was a kid, all of my siblings played musical instruments, and my dad was a composer and my mom sang, and so we were very musical, very literary family. My both my parents, you know, we're highly educated. We didn't have a lot of money, but we had a lot of love and a lot of you know, books, music, live music in the house, lots of books. Um. So I started dancing as a as a young girl because I didn't want to play an instrument that one of my siblings already had picked up, because I knew I probably wouldn't be as good. Um. The irony is I eventually became a music major and got a musical theater. So the dancing led me to singing, and the singing and dancing led me to musicals, and I grew up watching all the nineteen forties musicals and just loved old Hollywood. But I grew up in the woods in the middle of the Pacific Northwest, and I didn't know any professional actors. I didn't know you could actually do that for a living. I thought, well, that's what you do when you're going to school to have fun. Um. But my dad was a college counselor and he came to see me in the Music Man. I was playing Marion and um, and my sister, who's very dry, she's a doctor, she's, you know, very cut and dry. Um. She was crying and my dad looked over at my sister and he looked up at me. He goes, there's something going on. She's really good at this. So he basically said, you know, if you want to do this for a living, I think you you could. He gave me what's called a strong vocational interest blank and I scored in the hundred percentile of performing arts, and so he knew I'd be happy doing it, and so I got that little extra push that a lot of performers don't get from their parents, and their parents tried to talk them out of it. My dad just basically said, yeah, I think you're strong enough to do this, and um. And then the Oregon Shakespeare Company came through and Oregan Shakes performed at my high school, and I went, wait a minute, you're not kids. There's something to this. So I ended up getting a degree in musical theater and later on during Shakespeare and all of that, and my husband actually ran Shakespeare Santa Monica for Nion eleven years. Um. Yeah, yeah, that was how I started. That's interesting. So of all the characters you played, which character you most like? Oh? I like all my characters, even even the misguided evil ones. But which one of you you most like? Oh? Which one am I'm as um at the time? Probably Mary Alice, I think. Um. I think I was very much Um, a woman who took care of her friends and sublimated her own needs for others. And Um, ironically had struggled with infertility, which Mark Terry weirdly, uh intuited. He didn't know I had. He just put it in the script, and that became one of the main motives for me to adopt this child that I ended up eventually killing his mother. Um. And I haven't murdered anyone, so I'm not like her in that way. But UM, I think I think the loyalty that Mary Alice had, and the soulfulness and the humanity and um, the desire to shine light on on other people's humanity is probably the closest to me. And you voiced over and narrated a hundred and eighty episodes of that. Yeah, just a couple. Oh my god. It's funny because people who grew up with the show said that that they hear my voice in their head narrating their life. Did this lead to a lot of voiceover work commercial voiceover work? It must have. It did initially, Yeah, it did initially. Um, but then I found out that there were a lot of people out there that were imitating me that we're cheaper to hire. So they ended up doing that quite a bit. Um. Well that there's got to be some like intellectual property property theft cases there, I mean, right, I wish now, I mean, can't you like send a cease and desists? Like, hey, you know you can't. You can't copy me? That's me? Well, yes, and but the care there is owned by Disney actually, so I couldn't personally go after them for imitating Mary Alice. Um, right, they owned the character. Yeah, but that's your voice, I know. I know, and my Weirdly, my voice has always been the thing that's most recognizable. And I don't know if it's because I was a singer or there's a certain tonality, but early on in my career, people would say that they'd be in their kitchen and they'd hear my voice on a commercial and they know it was me and they'd come in. So there's something, there's something in the tonality that that resonates with people. I don't know what. Don't question it, it works, you know. I met Mark Cherry on something he did. What was the series he was doing after Desperate? Did he did something after Gid? Yes? And I met him on that and I mistake. I thought, who's the guy who created American Beauty of the film? Oh? That was Alan Ball. I thought that Mark Cherry was Alan Ball for some reason, and I started w Ele went on to do six ft under the Lauren had done right. So I was going on and on in the meeting. I was going on and on about American Beauty and talk about being unprepared for a meeting. Uh and uh. He looked at me and goes, what are you talking about? At least he said it I should well, didn't you create didn't you write the um American beauty? He goes No, said Jesus, I'm sorry. You know, I really I appreciate the fact that that's what your brain did, because there are certain things in American beauty that are very much like Desperate Housewives, like the roses in the bath water, the red apple, like there's a there's an Americana assion to American beauty that's that kind of hidden behind the garage doors. There's a lot of vida stuff going on. I totally get why your brain did that, right, He didn't. He didn't take it. He didn't take it as a compliment. He did not take it that way. Well, you know, it's funny because Mark hadn't seen any of my work before I got Desperate Housewives either, so you know you can't really he said, oh yeah, I saw you on a CSI episode and it was like, I've been working for thirty years. Okay, see, but that's what it takes. Yeah, you know, it's like if you if you, if you have this massive body of work, maybe somebody will see the right thing one time. You know. It's like it's just it's amazing. And now with the amount of content out there. I mean, there are people who are in the seventh year of a season of something that I've never been watched, and I'm like, wow, right, they're celebrating their hundred and fiftie episodes like I had no idea. I wasn't even aware of the series. There's so much contract good God, there's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of television series. Did you know how big the show would become when you began a Desperate Housewines? Did you did you have an inkling? You know? It's funny because Oprah asked me that same question because she had done a little special upon the Lane, and she said, you know, did you know it was going to be this big of a hit? Would you have killed yourself if you knew it was going to be such a big And I said, no, of course not. I would have called suicide hotline. I could have talked to my friends. Um I had an inkling. Uh that that other series on Warner Brothers called The Help that I was doing was I was actually tied contractually to that when they did the original round of auditions and casting for Desperate Housewives, So I wasn't available for the original casting. UM. But then they recast a couple of characters and one of them was Mary Alice Young because they wanted a a little bit more of just a different voice than than the original cast person cast had. And I was actually doing Shakespeare up in Montana at the time. And I got the audition and my my managers and my agents said, we've heard really good things about this pilot, like this is the pilot that everyone wanted to get last season, and would you be willing to fly down here for an audition? And um, you know this is before we ever put ourselves on tape for anything, um pandemic, before all of that technology. So I said, yeah, I'm in the middle of you know, rehearsals, but I could fly down for an audition and um. And so they got me the audition and I did. And I walked into the room and Mark Jerry was sitting there with Scott Jenkin jer and um Jinny Lowry Johnson and you know, all the all the people that were involved with the show at the time. And he said, I hope you don't mind that I'm going to close my eyes and just listen to you. And I remember a girl coming out of the audition before I had gone in, and she said, Oh, they're so nice. They don't even you know, don't worry about having it memorized because they all have their eyes closed. And I thought, oh, no, I'm going to have it memorized because this is still a performance. And so um, they closed their eyes and I just took them on a journey, um like, my name is Mary Alice Young and did the whole thing. And afterwards Mark opened his eyes and he just looked at me and he said, how long is your contract for for the Shakespeare Company? And I thought, oh, that's a good sign. And I said, well, I made them get me an understudy because I had a feeling something like this would happen good And he said, we'll be in touch. And then I flew back to do opening night at Midsummer's because I was doing two shows. I was doing Summers and Much of You about Nothing, and I didn't even get to to Mount much Ado. Fully we were doing in Rotation and I had to leave before we had an opening night for that one, and do the pilots. When it happens when you're the most busy, right, Well, they say, plan a vacation this was a vacation that wasn't really a paid job. It was just something from my soul. Um. You know. Every so often Mary Alice would be on the screen. Another time she was a voice of with Terry Lane. Did you treat the character of Mary Alice differently on an off screen? Was there a difference? No? Um, Actually, it's it's interesting because I had never you know, I'm an actor, I'm not a voice actor. So I had to figure out how to act this part because it had to be three dimensional for me, um, in order to to bring life to it. And for me, it was very interactive. Even though the other characters couldn't hear me, Um, I was still very much involved in shaping things with them, and so the process was kind of interesting. We would do a table read, just like you do with you know, most sitcoms, because Mark had come from that that um, that pattern of preparation, because you just want to hear your words out loud, you know. UM. So we did the table read, they'd go off to film and I'd go down to the um Alfred Hitchcock Theater and I would record my voiceover. And before I had done that, I would break down all my beats, you know, all my intentions, what I would want it to do with the line, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, And I do it kind of in the dark literally UM, and then the cut would come in and it would be UM, either the script supervisor's voice on the cut or my voice that had been prerecorded kind of placed throughout. And then I'd watch the episode again and I would I'm so glad I got a music degree because I would find the syncopatient and the rhythm of how to tie the line in with what choices the other actors had made. And sometimes my intention would totally change from the basic you know, in the dark voiceover read to them what they were doing. So it became very interactive for me. I loved it. I had such a good time. UM. And I remember Felicity Hoffman once saying, you know, because Mark had her read the Mavo, they called it the Mavo Mary Alice voiceover. UM had her read it one time because I wasn't there, and she she came away and she said, that's a lot harder than it was. It was really sweet. It was really sweet that she gave me the props on that, because you know people though while you're just doing voice over. UM, so we're gonna we're getting towards the end here of our time. But I want to ask you one last well this isn't the last question, but in this in this segment, it is where would uh, in your opinion, Eva and Luke gone on a date? Had they gone on a date, oh, they probably would have thrown it in in um in Lauren's face a little bit and gone to the like the restaurant at Star Hollow or something, just to kind of going going to the Independence in for for lunch, maybe gotten really drunk, loud, got got TACKI and you know a lot of p D A terrible terrible for her to have to be at work. It would have been a different series. But anyway, go ahead, totally different, totally different. Um, it wouldn't have been as p g um. I did want to say. I just came off of something that I really loved that I'd love to plug. Go ahead. First Street. It's a new series on AMC written by Peter Moffatt who Did Your Honor and The Night Of and I play a prosecutor opposite Courtney b. Vance Man. I love that he's great, great, it's the best. He's the best. I want to do everything with him now everything. But but it's a socially relevant piece, particularly what's going on kind of on the national level, and I just can't wait for people to see it. What's called again, listening, It's called six stret on a cd um. It's a joint production with BBC. Alright, excellent coming out in excellent, excellent. Well I wish you only the best with that. Thank you very much, Scott. It's so nice to see you again. We're not done. We're not done. No, we've got it. We've got to do rapid fire. We're doing rapid fire, nominate fire. Bunch of questions. If you've you've got to rattle off the answers very quickly. You're ready and have to go to have to jump quickly? H no, no, no, yeah, here we go? Ready? Ready? How do you take your coffee with? Can you smell snow? Can you are your team? Logan, Jess or Dean? Do you even know what that is? Wrong? Answer? But anyway, we'll take that. Who's the who's the daddy? Who's who knocked up Alexis? I mean Rory? She got pregnant? I don't know. In the Netflix series. Yeah, I didn't see it, did I? But I heard uh show that you are binge watching right now? Oh the Morning showy, So you can answer things, I know I could. I could talk to you all day. Um, Brenda Strong, what a pleasure, great catching up. Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on and all the best on sixty one Street on AMC. Yeah. I hope it's I hope it's. I hope it's a big hit for you and maybe we'll talk real soon. Okay, thank you so much that. Thank you so much, Scott, good to see you. Okay, good fun. This is such a great show. Thank you doing. Thank you. Okay, all right, bye bye, all right. Her, she was great. Huh. She is the coolest, right, she does have She does have that very distinct voice. You know. I think she mad. I think she made such a good point. She did push Luke and Lorela together a little bit. She does have a soothing boy she does. It's it's like it's bottomed down a little, a little lower register, but it's still I don't know, a million dollars, they're just there's just something so smart about it and so comforting and so it's not pretentious. It's not pretentious. Yes, I agree, it's warm, it's it's a it's a it's it's an interesting combination of things that she brings with her. That's her too. I mean people can't see, but her like facial expressions are so comforting and she's so this just kind enter. Yes, she's very soothing and healing and that's what it is. Um. Anyway, we're gonna go into this episode a little bit, aren't we. Huh? Yes? Do we take a break and then come back and really start going off? I think I don't need a break, but if you need a break, uh, because I know one of your yachts is listing in the dock and you've got to call. You need to call Germany and get that take care of. All Right, We're gonna take a break, everybody. We'll be right back after these words. Yeah, Okay, we're back. How did the call with Germany go? The yacht is okay? Is it? Is it? Properly? More? Everything's good? Okay, good? Everything that's good? So did you There's a lot of celebrity spottings in this episode. Nicole Eggart, she she's in the episode. Yeah, she is, one of the Booster Moms with Brenda and Madeline Ziema. She is the little friend of Rory's that has the book at the end. Oh sure, sure, sure she was an ex puff. She was. She was in the like pick to be a puff. Oh she was one of those, right, she wasn't a puff, she was being puffed right, Yeah, and then she went on to do her I loved her on Californication and she's done a bazillion show. So those were a couple of good spottings in there. Yeah. Um, So let's talk about this episode a little bit. Uh um. I mean it's an interesting setup, right, I really wanted the Rory puffed, getting puffed and getting in that group to be an episode of its own. I just I'm watching the episode. I'm I want I latched onto that. I'm like, Okay, I want to see where this goes. This is interesting. Here's my question to you, though, Amy Danielle, please chime in the thing that that that I don't get and this just maybe chalked this up to seventeen year old knife. Hey, what in the world is Rory doing helping Paris on any level get into a club that if Paris does get in is just gonna use it as a cudgel against U. Why is she helping? It's like she's so smart, she's such an old soul, as Brenda said, she is just as real as it gets. Why all of a sudden is she helping Paris? Why is she is? She? Is she that compassed it a soul? Daniel? You you go first? I have a thought, but you go first. I think she just recognizes that she wants it so bad. So she's just like if I mean, She's like, I don't care about this, but if this girl cares really bad, I guess I'll help her. Like I think it's just one of those things that she's just feels kind of bad and it's like if I can help, I'll help. But she's already been burned by her once twice. Now this is like third or fourth time she's going to trust her again? So nice. I think that Rory has so much confidence in herself and it's so nice and sees that Paris is just this like hungry, desperate girl, and she's like, you know what, I'm so cool that I'm just going to help this girl. And I think ultimately she's like, you know it's gonna be easier for me if I'm friends with this girl. She's it's not possible to be friends with her. She's a lunatic, she's certifiable. She can't be friends with that. No matter what you do, you cannot be friends with that. So obvious. I think deep down she isn't mean, she just is so wanting. I think I think no, I think deep down she is extraordinary. I think she's far more evil, deep down than we realize. Really, I don't agree, because you just see it. When you can be you can be both. You know, she's she can be vulnerable and sweet, and there's that side of her. I mean, it depends on which how life comes at you, that develops. But don't you see it that Rory has the mom that told her you're getting kidnapped. Put on these cute pajamas, put on some lip gloss so that you look perfect. The money's on the table. Harris doesn't barely have a mom. She has like the nanny. She looks like Hell. I guess it's got the bad nightgown and the great knowing, knowing all this. Why are you trusting this girl? Why are you talking her up to the puffs. She maybe she just didn't realize at the well, no, I mean, Paris let her know how powerful the puffs were and how exclusive was. Maybe Roy just didn't realize the extent of it, and it was like it was like, throw this girl a bone like that she's going to use against her. God, crush your skull with that bone. Didn't you see how much it meant to Paris. I don't care. She's she's not She's not redeemable in my book. I'm sorry, that's so funny. I disagree. I feel like I feel like this one the fans might disagree to. I might be on your side. It's happened before. I feel like, what's I mean? You gotta you gotta love Paris. You're like, you know what, She's so sad. See, this is the one time that I is Luke would sit down with Rory and say, now, you can't do that. You can't give your enemies any kind of ammunition to use against you. And this is the ultimate form of AMMO getting her into a powerful club, only to have Paris out Rory from that club. And it's just a higher purchase destroyer from I don't maybe where's Where's this didn't Laurel I teach her any self preservation skills or any kind of strategic skills. I mean, it's a chess game. But keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. Let's stick talk to California. Go talk to that gay. Okay, can we talk about But he's so good, he's going on for Paris. I mean, are you kidding me? She needs Yeah, she needs a little talking to by somebody. I mean, you can't just do that. I don't agree. I think Rory's playing Paris perfectly, very risky. See, she's such a loner that she doesn't care. It does It doesn't have any power over She doesn't recognize if you don't recognize somebody's power over you, if you're not playing those games, if you don't see the consequences, because you don't believe that those consequences have any meaning for you, and how what you're the path that you're on, then I can see it. That's you know, that's how you can advocate for somebody like that and really not care. So maybe that's the case. I don't know. I think each of these things she's winning Paris over, and I think this meant a lot to Paris, Well, that was everything. Yeah, I mean Paris's face was just like I can't believe I'm sitting here, and she mouthed thank you, or like, I can't believe you did this. She mouthed that to or like. But that was a great That was a great take when for the first time she was sitting with the Puff didn't know who they were in, Paris walked by, look and then backed up. That was good. That was classic. That was classic. So I'm going to admit something to you guys again and I'm only doing it. I debated this last night when I was like preparing for the show if I was going to lie about this, But again, I think it's important. Whoever is writing this once again is accurate because in my high school we had a sorority just like the Puffs in high school. Yes, the only part I can't remember. And I actually texted a friend is I couldn't remember how we got in and my friend wrote back tapped and I'm like, what does that mean? So we have the same thing and the seniors picked the juniors or something like that. So I think you were in it when you were a junior and a senior and maybe you got tapped. That means I am dead. It wasn't called the puffs ares not a different name to get into ours? Wait you that was in high school? Was that why you were streaking? You admitted you you streaked. We streaked a school all assembly. We had a street in front of the whole school school in order to get in. And there was a secret fraternity. Was I just not cool enough because I have no recollection of this. Yeah, we had a secret sorority. So you guys had a secret fraternity in high school street. Did you get busted? I can't remember. Oh yeah, you got away with it? Or you got busted? No, no no, we got we got yeah, we got trouble. Yeah, you were like you all got caught and you're all naked or well, well, we ran across the football field. We gained access through the woods. There was a hole in the fence that boarded the football field. We ran across the football field. We jumped at gate. That's where we took our clothes off, and then we ran up. We went up the outside stairs of the auditorium where they where they where they had thetorium was an elevated stage and we somebody had Jimmy the door and we ran across the stage and that was like your initiation. That was the initiation. And we turned around, we ran back, We jumped over the fence again. We got our we got our clothes on. We ran across the football field and we went we went towards the pond, and by the time we got out to the street, there were We did not have to do something like that. Apparently we were tapped, which I don't know what that means, but I think we just were like picked and there was like thirty girls that were juniors, and they got to pick thirty sophomores, and then you were in when you were a junior senior. That's kind of all I remember. We didn't have to sneak into the school. There was no bell ringing. Kidnapping does seem I have like a weird recollection, like did that happen? I just can't remember. Interesting microcosm for life though, and especially college and especially Harvard. He had better get used to that kind of a thing. And it really, gosh, it really just delineates between you know, the loner mentality versus the joiner, right, and and how important that is and and I so loved. My favorite scene in the whole thing was Roy stood in the pajamas and was just nailing um uh, the Headmaster. You wanted me to be a joiner, I did it. And now you're sitting here giving me a lecture about what kind of trouble I'm gonna get into. I mean, are you kidding me? And he just backed down. I love that scene. She was good. She has such a good head on her shoulders, and she is so geared for success at such an early age that I don't know how it all went wrong? Well, and what about the parallel although different because when Lord La goes in to see Headmaster Charles, he's like, you don't You're not involved. You need to be involved. But she had a different experience in that I think she sort of enjoyed it, and she was so successful at what she did, and it bonded Emily and Laura. I mean to me that I laughed so hard at em doing her fashion modeling, and I laughed. I watched that episode twice because I love it so much. And then Laurel I looking at her mom like, what in the hell are you doing? Okay, But it spawned the most poignant line of the whole episode when when Emily was so pleased and she says, interesting, how you're fitting into a world that you ran away from. I mean, just wow wow. Um. And it's true. You do have to get involved. You have to get parents have to get involved in their kids school. It's just it has to be done. Um. And if you don't do it, it's going to affect your kid in there a percent, right about that, because you know, we're very involved in our kids school. We have to be. We're a little too involved. Well, I do see a turkey drawing behind you. That's my that's my guy. That's my guy. No parents do. It's true. And then it's that fine line of like being that weird, freaky parent that's too involved, or the lower lie that it wasn't doing anything. It's that weird dance of yeah my mission. Yeah. They portray this Stuffs super accurate, even though it seems high falutin. It's like it's not. And I really you know, I love those girls. I love the Puffs. That's the I want to see that movie, The Puffs. I love the Puffs. I mean that to keep up that level of dialogue and snobbery, that's a film I want to see. I want to see that. And yes, the ping ponging at that table. I mean, I love when the girls like, don't name is Lem And then she says to Rory like interesting name and Rory's like, well, m can I say? It's just like Rory is so like, I'm I don't even care about you, fools, I'm not trying to impress you. What can I say? Right? Um? Yeah? Very interesting episode, very interesting? Um what else can we on earthen this? Yeah? Well, I mean Luke. I think there's some real important stuff here for Luke, because one is he comes with his toolbox Burt to save the day when the you know, runway is tilting, and I love that she says toolbox dirty or whatever. Some there was some real quick line. Why why is that line there? Why is she saying how she Why is she saying this? You don't like that line but I do. I love it? But why is she saying it is okay? But why is the Why is the character saying this to him? She's supposed to not really be aware, according to my premise that she has feelings for him. Why is she even saying that to him? Because it's so like second nature to her because she has has feelings. She's so utterly lost patience with this guy, Like, get off the pot and ask me out, pal, what's going on? Is that? What it is? No? I don't think so. I think so why the florty florty? Oh dirty? You know what is that? Because you're like so cute and she likes like Luke is a total babe, and so she's completely objectifying the guy. No, she just likes you, but she's just not ready to like go there yet. You don't have any relationships. Well you're like a married guy now. But like so, there are no other qualities that she covets about this character other than you think he's cute. Everything about the end okay, the loyalty, the friendship, suffering inside the guy she calls for everything. Can you help me fix the runway? My father's in the hospital. I need you, I need you for this, I need you for this. Wants to help you with Jess. Interesting Jess wasn't in this episode. But how does a woman like that thinks that she can even have a relationship with a guy like that? They like they describe him in the beginning, is Mr Manos Alabas positive. You think that's a positive. I mean, she's the most verbal human being in the world, and here I'm like, Luke, No, he's not. Yes. Look at the scene at the end. He this is why she loves it, because because he can spar with her when he wants to, and he pushes back. He doesn't just go like we talked about in the beginning of this episode. He doesn't say, don't worry Lorala, like I'm not going out with her. He lets her spin and pushes back like the nerve of you to tell me who I can and can't date, and doesn't whole think knowing full well he doesn't want to date Eva, he wants Lorela. It's genius and it's so real. I think these two piss each other off in a way that love each other. But that's the love, right, I mean, you can't get piste off unless you have these deep feelings for somebody, you know what. They love each other. In my opinion, they are completely who they are with each other. They let they let they let each other be who they really are. Yet they would never be that vulnerable to say I really don't think you should date this children mom with anybody else she has to say, like, you know, I just think I don't want to mix this with that, when you know she's just she's not being totally raw and saying like I'm going to be so jealous if you date her, but she's still doing the thing to say, I really don't think you should. So they're both confused as to whether their friends or boyfriend and girlfriend like they It's like there there's two lanes that they travel and they sometimes they one is in the boyfriend girlfriend lane, the other ones in the friendship lane, and there's a tench right confused normal. I think most married, successful married couples often start out this way, Danielle, did you and your husband John, who I believe we're friends before you got married, do this? Yes? And my husband John was very much luke in this relationship where he had a crush on me for a little while and then finally figured it out. How did you go from friends to next level? Well, this is just t m I whatever. He told me he really liked me, and then I said, I'm so sorry, you're just like my best friend. I don't want to cross that that line. And then we were at a club and some girl was flirting with him and I and then it was it was out of a movie, you guys, It was out of this episode of Guilt. I really went into them on the dance floor, went like this, turn to John and was like yeah, I think I like you can we go on a date and and then yeah, and now we're married. Oh my god, from this episode, because Eva is the girl that you saw flirting with your husband. Totally totally, I mean, how how epic is the line when Laurel I says he's talking to Luke about even he's all she goes. She mentioned earlier that you don't make her, you know, gag this one. This cred a whole scene, make her Mrs Backwards baseball cap. I mean that whole scene. God, I think I'm getting to the point where I want to smack both of them and just oh that's so funny together. I couldn't get together. No, I'm ready to keep it. This is where the fans were losing their minds because it's like it's enough already get together, and they still have to We still have to wait a couple more seasons for this to happen. Right, good good? I could watch this. I could watch that talk about milk and that can Mrs Backward Baseball Chap. I mean, it's that's a lot of milk coming out of this cow. I tell you they're milking that. Um. I love that Emily Gilmore had a barbecue and those two go right for the corn on the stick and are just like sitting outside ready to just be stoked on their barbecue. It's so good funny. And notice notice the wardrobe and now that we're like all wardrobe Emily's wardrobe in that scene with that caller on our shirt, totally very queen should we act queenly? Very queenly? I feel like we have to add something moving forward now our favorite fashion piece of the episode, because hands down mine was gloralized blue button down blouse. I even think I remember watching this and twenty years ago trying to find this bloss and it had like roughly sort of tuxedo e ish, kind of seventies tuxedo e ish going down here and then on the sleeves the cuff also had the ruffles and it was light blue and button down with like pearl buttons. In this episode, yes, I am obsessed with that shirt she was wearing obsessed. Yes, everybody moving forward. You have to pick your favorite fashion. No, for me, it's Emily's white shirt with the that flared out collar because that's her. That that was you know that that harkens back to you know, Scottish and British queens, that kind of look. Um, Danielle, did you have a favorite, I'll say Rory's cake pajamas, the Nick and Nora Nick and Nora pjs. Those were big. I wonder if they're still around. I want to that up. Keep talking while I find out. And how many moons ago, Danielle, was this this event that took place with your husband on the dance floor with her? We've been together ten years? Oh my god, ten years ago a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. When we all realize we're just doing parts of episodes of Gilmore Girls, we're all just living and somebody's taking notes, it's not as easy to find Nick and Nora pajamas as it used to be. Should we do a little pop culture? Although I know it's going to be sad for everybody because Danielle's filling it. Let's do everyone, No, no, no no, your best shot. I'm gonna give it my best shot. Don't write a bad review about me, Just just don't. Don't try to look. Let me give you some advice here, let me give you some advice. Don't try to fill Riley's shoes. Just wear your own. Just wear your own shoes as long as some of you, As long as you wear in your shoes, you're good. Put in my own by all means, feel free to write a review of Danielle's because I get so much joy. People. I am reading all the Instagram comments and I read all the reviews. I love all of it, especially when you're like I hate Amy. Okay, here we go. This is Danielle. Wait, hold on, noe, Hi, No, how does Riley start it? I'm Danielle st Riley. Hi, I'm Riley. She doesn't say she's day Okay, no, but Hi, I'm Danielle filling in for Riley. And this is your pop culture. Okay. Laura Lee says maybe he has a secret, maybe he's got a little chippy stowed away in Mount Pilot. And this is when Loraa Lee talks about Luke to Rory in the diner. That's gotta be that's gotta be. Andy Griffith show yep, I'm looking for I didn't even look, Thank you very much. Mount Pilot is a fictional town in The Andy Griffith Show. The Andy Griffith Show ran on CBS from nineteen sixty eight. During the time of the show, Andy has visited three times by the fun Girls Skippy and Daphne. Each time they cause trouble. It seems they are who Lorela is referencing to a little bit of trivia. Ron Howard, who later became so wellknown for being Richie Cunningham, played Andy Griffith's son on the show, and his character's name was Opie. A little chippy is not the most appropriate thing to say, so I'll just put that out there. Who means it means a promiscuous woman, little chippy? Huh? Who said? Who said that about? It's that's what she says. She says, I think he's got a little chippy in Mount Pilot? Is it Mount Pilot? But that's what? So what It's okay, it's Laurela saying it. I know it's a little unappropriate. I don't know speaking of a chippy. Mry says, suddenly, I'm living with Jaja Gabor when a chippy kind of half chippy half chippy. And this is when Laurela goes on about the batteries and um, what she wouldn't do with them? So jo jabar boys. Pause, Scott, let me tell you this. Danielle and I had to practice saying with nine times what at first daniel called her za yea. She was very comark practice. She was extremely famous in the sixties and seventies. She was she was. She was a twin sister. There was Joja and there was Eva, Hungarian bombshell sisters. Yeah, they were hello, darling, they were on they were on Wait a minute, they were on green acre. She was on green acres. So that's what I was. That's what I was trying to remember. I'm looking that up. She married, it was Ava, married a farmer and she lived on a farm. But she was like, you know, miss she was fancy. She was fancy, Miss lux of the world. Eddie Albert and it was Ava, not who was on green acre, but yes, I knew it. Eddie Albert gave one of the best dramatic dramatic comedy drama performances in the Charles Groden's Civil Shepherd film called The Name Escapes Me. But they did a remake of it. Only Charles Groden film I can name. Is that one about the dog? No? No, no, no no no. There was a movie where Charles Groden, and we're getting off the subject here, but there's a movie where Charles Groden gotten married, read to a woman in New York City, went on her went on their honeymoon to Florida, right to Miami, and he met an eighteen year old Sybil Shepherd. Are you talking about Beethoven? No, no, you're talking about Beetho. What's what's the movie? I'm talking about? What's the name? Find the movie? I am talking about Beethoven. I think Charles Grodan died, so r I p God rest his soul. But Beethoven? What was what was the film? It was a Mike nick It was a Mike Nichols film. Brilliant. The Heartbreak Kids, The Heartbreak Kid, the original version of the heart The original film is so searingly painful and funny. And Eddie Albert played Cibil Shepherd's father from Minnesota, and the scene of them sitting at the dinner table, Eddie Albert questioning who this man was the wife, He goes, sir, sir know I met your daughter on the beach and and uh, you know, I I became quite enamored. And uh and you know, I've just gotten married and my wife are down here on our honeymoon, and I'm going to break up with my wife because I fell in love with your daughter and he's just Eddie. Albert just looks at her like, what did you just say, young man? What did you It's going to kill him at the dinner table. Eddie was a very fine actor anyway, he was the star of Green Acres with telling us about that's never going to make the final and I won't make it. I just have a feeling he's not gonna make it because I think at the end of that story is like the fingers were going down the side of the cliff and we're keeping it all So Amy and I were doing research about this. We were we were Amy had said, she's kind of like the Paris Hilton of that time, but more but then yeah, okay, right, maybe a little, but then wait for it. And what we found out that Jojo was married to Conrad Hilton and he had changed her name to Georgia, claiming he couldn't and wouldn't pronounce her Hungarian first name, So was Conrad Hilton, Paris's grandfather, grandfather who started the whole Hilton franchise. So weird um trivia there? Okay, next one, Lorelai says, yeah, look that Albert. Give me a soda. And this is when Rory comes into the kitchen asking what happened with the headmaster. Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids is an American animated television series created, produced, and hosted by Bill Cosby, who also lent his voice to a number of characters, including Fat Albert. In two thousand four. Keenan Thompson played Fat Albert in that film, and fun fact, Denise Richards filmed a cameo as a store stale saleswoman and was seen in the original trailer, but her scene was actually deleted from the final cut. Do you know do you know the fat Albert, the famous fat Albert Lyne? Can you can you do fat Albert? Can you do? Every used to this? Right? Wow? I mean you know we're dropping some names here today, aren't we. I got some more names for you. So this is when Rory is chatting with the Puffs at lunch. Rory says, Sandra Day O'Connor was a puff and Francy goes, well, no, well, no one has proof. It's just folklore. Ivy then says, like snow White and Rosie Red and Rory goes or Maria carries crack up um so Sandrady O'Connor. We don't consider pop culture because she was a historical figure, but we will talk about snow White. Mri carry snow White and Rosy Red is a German fairy tale. The snow White in the original story is not the same character as the one in snow White in the Seven Dwarves. Mary Carey, I think everyone who's who she is, um, but the reference could be referencing her breakdown on Total Request Live back in two thousand one, and you are about to hear her iconic song All I Want for Christmas is you for the rest of December. Get ready. You can't get away from it. It's like you can't get away from that song or Kevin Hart. You just every time you turn around, there's Kevin Hart you can't get away from. I often ask myself, how is that guy doing so many things like he is? He's got to be three of them, right, totally, totally next one. Rory goes, I'll tell you she's a regular, Gary mule Deer, and this is when Rory tells the Puffs all about paris Um so. Gary mule Deer is an American comedian and country musician. Mule Deer was once roommates with comedian Steve Martin and musician Michael Johnson. He has performed on three major concert stage in the country. Rory goes, I end up here with the yah Ya Sisterhood, and Rory is telling head Master why she was in this situation she was in with the puffs Um. Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood is novel written by Rebecca Wells that the two thousand two film stars Sandra Bull like Ellen Burston and James Gardner, and The Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood has been compared to Desperate Housewives, which circles back nicely to our guest today, Brenda. Rory goes, great movie. Oh wait, that was coming home, sorry, And this is when the posts we're getting to know Rory Coming Home is in seventy eight American romantic drama war film, the opening scene where the vets in the hospital are talking was actually unscripted. They were real Viet Nom that's discussing their own views about the rule the war. John Voight was supposed to have added to the dialogue out of respect, he stayed silent and listened. Um. Next one, Uh, this is with Lora Lae. She says. I told him that he was completely out of line with this treatment of you, that you are not alone of freak. You have plenty of friends, and you don't own a long black leather matrix coat. And as everyone knows, Um The Matrix is an iconic action film from Kim Barrett is an Australian costume designer and she was a regular collaborator with the Wowskis and was a costume designer for the Matrix films. Kiana Reeves was dressed in tight fitting clothing to make him feel more confined in everyday life. Um and Kiana Reeves, Joe Pantoliano and Laurence Fishburne are weirdly all left handed and last one in fact about The Matrix. Leonardo DiCaprio turned down the role and David Swimmer was also a front runner for the role of Neo. Did you tell the part that Kiana Reeves gave of, like everyone a million dollars. More than that, he gave away so many. He gave away million dollars to the crew. I love Kiana Reeves so much. Oh my god, Speed is like my one of my top five ever movies. And Leonardo DiCaprio gets offered everything first, and he was actually in this episode two. There was a shout out to Leonardo DiCaprio in um this episode. Can you imagine all the films that he's offered, And he has to say no to Danielle your no, Riley, But you're not terrible. I'm not bad. I'm telling you, man, She's terrible. Got a little boring there at one point I forget which one where I was like, this is boring. But otherwise, good job, and you're gonna let me go faster. Rory says, there's a bad draft over here where I used They say, it's kind of like a big downward gusts. It's not exactly Toto. We're not in Kansas anymore, obviously, Toto. She's referencing the dog in the Wizard of oz Um. Toto was a dog named was a dog named Terry, and Terry was a Terrier weird fun fact, Terry the Terrier earned a hundred and twenty five dollars a week on the set of Wizard of Oz, compared to Judy Garland, who made five. It was pretty well paid back then. But if I was getting paid five dollars and the dog was getting paid one likes, the dog was getting well paid. Twenty five a week was like in today's money, that's like five six seven thousand bucks a week. I know. That's what guys huge. That's why the dog was paid well huge. Judy Garland maybe not so much. Yes, I would be kind of upset if I was. Judy terrifies me still. The Wicked Witch of the West, the Green One when I was a kid, that gave me nightmares too. So that's one of my first memories of like having it. That's my first movie of like being afraid. The guy could not look that in the Incredible Whole, anything in Green was real. It was that. And to Kill a Mockingbird Robert Duval that scared you scared, grab out of the whole. Okay, two more guys with it? Luke says, where's Barry manilow Um. Barry wrote the like a good neighbor State Farm jingle. I don't know if anybody knows that, but if you don't know, you do. Um. He receive multiple Grammy nominations, but Copacabana earned him his only Grammy award in nineteen seventy nine. Um. Weirdly, this past summer, Gary performed at CNN and White Or New York City Homecoming concert. He was about to sing, I made it through the rain, and it started to rain, and it literally ancel of the concerts. The behind the scenes that day of that concert was better than the concert because they, like just CNN just started like face timing Anderson Cooper in the studio from like dressing rooms. It was so good. Okay. Last one, Paris says, maybe someday I'll stumble into a Disney movie and suddenly be transported into your body. Obviously she's talking about Freaky Friday. Uh. Freaky Friday is in nineteen seventies six fantasy comedy film starring Jodie Foster. Um. Freaky Friday was made in two thousand three with Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan. Um. There's this one scene where they're auditioning to be part of a concert. And you um might have missed this because I missed it, and Amy reminded me it was to be a part of iHeart Radio's iconic Wingo Tango concert. So bringing it back to the iHeart Radio family. Really fun fact um there. And then last fun fact for Freaky Friday. When Jamie Lee Curtis found out that Lindsay Lohan um was going to be playing her daughter and that she had started the parent trap, she asked, which twin did you play, not knowing that Lohan performed both. And that's your pop culture guys, little along, Danielle, little long. But here's my favorite lines. Here's my favorite lines I have with you. I told you not to become a socio, but you didn't listen. Lord La said that I loved your work in Pizza Lora La also said that Lorala also said she mentioned earlier that you didn't make her you know, gag. Then you two get in the heated fight and she says make her mrs Backwards baseball cap for all I care. I loved that, And then I love Rory's line of well, um, what can you say? I mean this? I could have had one favorite, Danielle, go ahead, I had the backwards baseball cap one, but I always come prepared with the backup. So mine is from Michelle and he says, I'm not speaking of Carol. She ate my low fat cheese. Okay, mine are I'm gonna say my favorite line this whole thing was my line thank you very much. When Laurel I says, oh, Luke, can you give us some service? He said, keep your pants on? Yes, I made me laugh, it did? It made me laugh? Uh? And not to find their relationship. My second favorite was Michelle with the when they're negotiating on the phone. I'll do it if you get me some American cheese. The cheese American cheese. Um, what is it a mango cookie or a meringue cookie? I don't know. One of those funny lines, look at it. I like that. Danielle and I have to write our lines down, but Scott, being that he's an actor, can do them from his head. Guys listening, I'm telling you every single episode you've heard, Scott can remember the line and doesn't look at notes, whereas DANIELLEO like rustling paper, is going through emails to find our written out A lot. It was a little behind the scenes. We called that bts daniel maybe if you can, but that was good signs completely and it was the most insightful thing she's ever said. What I was trying to say is I also have to rewind the episode ten dred different times just to make sure I got the quote right. Same, same, Danielle. All right, everybody, that's gonna that's gonna wrap this episode a little along. But Brenda was great, and what are you gonna do? You know when you got her Brenda strong? How are you going to top that? And we're sitting here desperately trying to top it. Do you want me to tell you who the special guests are next week? Yeah? Sure, your friends Matt Matt and Angela Lanter. Oh cool, Yes, Oh that's really cool. Find out why that's really cool? Special affinity for for Angela and Matte. Oh I love these I love these guys. Um anyway, uh so next week the ins and outs of INNS. We'll get into it. Thank you, everybody, uh for down loaning. You're the best fans on the planet. Stay safe, We'll see you next time. Hey, everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am all In Podcast and email us at Gilmore at I Heart Radio dot com. Oh, you get more fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company, scott ep dot com. S C O T. T y P dot com, scott ep dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee. Yeah.