Don Watson has spent a lifetime listening closely - to the language of politics, power, persuasion and all the spaces in between. 

A historian, author and master of the written word, he is perhaps best known as the speechwriter behind some of Australia’s most unforgettable words - including the iconic Redfern Speech, delivered by then-Prime Minister Paul Keating in 1992. It remains one of this country’s most raw and courageous reckonings with our colonial past, and a landmark moment in the long and unfinished story of reconciliation.

But Don Watson's work doesn’t stop at politics. Over decades, he’s carved out a formidable legacy as one of our most astute and fearless cultural critics - writing bestselling books, searing Quarterly Essays and brilliantly biting commentaries that strip the varnish from political spin, corporate waffle and the TikTokian digital decay of modern language.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Don offers his brutally clear-eyed take on the state of language and the state of the world with that other Don running amok in the White House. From the rise of meaningless buzzwords and the weaponisation of language to the turning of the free world under the Trumpian Project 2025 dictate, Don Watson says America was never a perfect democracy anyway - and that if anyone tries to tell you what is going on in the United States, you should quickly walk away. 

We talk about democracy - what it was, what it is and what it’s becoming - but we also  go way back to Don’s childhood on a muddy, blue-gum-lined dairy farm in Gippsland. A world of rolling hills, working hands and laconic storytellers - where his first understanding of Australia, its language, its past and its people took shape.

We chart his unlikely journey from farm kid to the halls of academia where he discovered that the real nuggets weren’t to be found in textbooks, but in the colour, grit and perennial contradictions of Australia’s chequered political history.

What is clear when you listen to this is that no matter where you sit - or not - on the political spectrum, Don Watson is a remarkable human and a rare thinker - a man unafraid to call out bullshit, challenge conventional wisdom and remind us that words aren’t just words; they define who we are. 

Words can shape nations, tear down empires, ignite revolutions and - sometimes - heal wounds. Words can give voice to the voiceless, turn ideas into movements and hold power to account. 

And in an era of misinformation, disinformation and the white noise of the White House, where the zone is flooded, meaning is diluted and truth is up for debate, the way we use language matters now - more than ever. 

This is a conversation about the power of language but really, it’s about everything. About truth. About history. And about the kind of future world we want to live in - and the words we’ll need to build it.

Guest: Don Watson
Books: Penguin
Catch Don at the Sorrento Writers’ Festival

Host:Mads Grummet
Producer: Audio Superstar Daryl Missen

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Don Watson has spent a lifetime listening closely - to the language of politics, power, persuasion and all the spaces in between. 
A historian, author and master of the written word, he is perhaps best known as the speechwriter behind some of Australia&rsquo;s most unforgettable words - including the iconic&nbsp;Redfern Speech, delivered by then-Prime Minister Paul Keating in 1992. It remains one of this country&rsquo;s most raw and courageous reckonings with our colonial past, and a landmark moment in the long and unfinished story of reconciliation.
But Don Watson's work doesn&rsquo;t stop at politics. Over decades, he&rsquo;s carved out a formidable legacy as one of our most astute and fearless cultural critics - writing bestselling books, searing Quarterly Essays and brilliantly biting commentaries that strip the varnish from political spin, corporate waffle and the TikTokian digital decay of modern language.
In this wide-ranging conversation, Don offers his brutally clear-eyed take on the state of language and the state of the world with that other Don running amok in the White House. From the rise of meaningless buzzwords and the weaponisation of language to the turning of the free world under the Trumpian Project 2025 dictate, Don Watson says America was never a perfect democracy anyway - and that if anyone tries to tell you what is going on in the United States, you should quickly walk away.&nbsp;
We talk about democracy - what it was, what it is and what it&rsquo;s becoming - but we also&nbsp; go way back to Don&rsquo;s childhood on a muddy, blue-gum-lined dairy farm in Gippsland. A world of rolling hills, working hands and laconic storytellers - where his first understanding of Australia, its language, its past and its people took shape.
We chart his unlikely journey from farm kid to the halls of academia where he discovered that the real nuggets weren&rsquo;t to be found in textbooks, but in the colour, grit and perennial contradictions of Australia&rsquo;s chequered political history.
What is clear when you listen to this is that no matter where you sit - or not - on the political spectrum, Don Watson is a remarkable human and a rare thinker - a man unafraid to call out bullshit, challenge conventional wisdom and remind us that words aren&rsquo;t just words; they define who we are.&nbsp;
Words can shape nations, tear down empires, ignite revolutions and - sometimes - heal wounds. Words can give voice to the voiceless, turn ideas into movements and hold power to account.&nbsp;
And in an era of misinformation, disinformation and the white noise of the White House, where the zone is flooded, meaning is diluted and truth is up for debate, the way we use language matters now - more than ever.&nbsp;
This is a conversation about the power of language but really, it&rsquo;s about everything. About truth. About history. And about the kind of future world we want to live in - and the words we&rsquo;ll need to build it.
Guest: <a href="https://www.anu.edu.au/events/meet-the-author-don-watson">Don Watson </a>Books: <a href="https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/don-watson">Penguin </a>Catch Don at the <a href="https://sorrentowritersfestival.com.au/artfuel/program/3188/crew/don-watson">Sorrento Writers&rsquo; Festival</a>
Host:<a href="https://www.madeleinegrummet.com/"> Mads Grummet </a>Producer: Audio Superstar<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmissen/"> Daryl Missen ***** LISTEN NOW 🎧 Spotify:</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1okDf71XeRCI5RnfxhC6OD"> Listen here </a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmissen/">🎧 Apple:</a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/human-cogs-podcast/id1525840415"> Listen here</a>
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Human Cogs is the podcast that rips the veneer off everyday life to reveal the raw human truths that lie underneath our everyday lives.
Hosted by award-winning entrepreneur, startup investor and ABC journalist and presenter&nbsp;<a href="https://linktr.ee/MadeleineGrummet">Madeleine Hanger (Grummet)</a>, alongside psychologist and media commentator <a href="https://www.sabinareadpsychology.com.au/">Sabina Read</a>, each episode unpacks big ideas, untold truths and the messy magic of being human.
From life&rsquo;s darkest moments to its most profound joys, our <a href="https://www.humancogs.com/guests">extraordinary guests</a> share secrets they&rsquo;ve never told, surprising insights into love, loss, success and identity &mdash; and the hard-won wisdom that just might change the way you live, think and feel.
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Hosted by award-winning entrepreneur, journalist and investor Madeleine Grummet and psychologist and media contributor Sabina Read, each episode features raw conversations with extraordinary guests who lift the lid on their real lives to help you explore what you think you know about yourself, and the changing world around you.

Human Cogs is a point of universal connection for us all, exploring the things that bring us together, and the things that tear us apart.

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