Today’s episode is all about getting out of debt as we talk with our new friend George Kamel! And it’s a good time to have this discussion as well since consumer debt, in particular credit card debt, has been on a tear over the past several years- we’re over the $1 trillion mark folks! And we’re lucky to be joined by George because not only has he personally climbed from a negative net worth himself, but he’s also a personal finance expert at Ramsey Solutions! George co-hosts the Ramsey Show as well as the Smart Money Happy Hour podcast in addition to over 16 million views on his YouTube channel. And to prove that he knows how to rock more than a microphone, George has a new book “Breaking Free From Broke” that came out earlier this month. We’re excited to get to know George and his story, how he got started at Ramsey, the normalization of debt, keeping tabs on lifestyle creep, his biggest wealth hack, and plenty more during this episode.

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