Some workdays leave you tired. Others leave you completely wiped, even when you have done everything right. In this episode, I explore why that happens and what it reveals about how work is really experienced. 

I sat down with Cherie Clonan, founder and CEO of The Digital Picnic, to talk about neurodivergence, energy, and what happens when workplaces are not designed for the people in them. 

Cherie was diagnosed with Autism as an adult and has spent more than a decade building a business while quietly masking in environments that drained her nervous system. We talk about what masking actually looks like at work, why some workplaces feel exhausting even when you love your job, and how leaders can create cultures that raise energy instead of depleting it. 

We also go deep into Cherie's hardest year in business, the moment she was forced into action, and the non-negotiables she rebuilt from scratch to protect her energy, her team, and her company.  

Cherie and I discuss: 
What masking really looks like for autistic women at work and why it is so exhausting 
How sensory overload, constant social decoding, and back-to-back meetings drain energy 
Spoon theory as a practical way to understand energy, capacity, and recovery 
Why businesses do not fail when they run out of cash but when founders run out of energy 
The cultural non-negotiables Cherie introduced to rebuild trust, respect, and momentum 
How removing unnecessary demands can benefit every neurotype at work 

 

Key quotes 

“Businesses do not go out of business when they run out of cash. They fail when the founder runs out of energy.” 

“Energy loss is data. It is telling you something important about what you are tolerating.” 

Connect with Cherie Clonan on Instagram and LinkedIn and check out The Digital Picnic.  

 

My latest book The Health Habit is out now. You can order a copy here: https://www.amantha.com/the-health-habit/ 

Connect with me on the socials: Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanthaimber) 

Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/amanthai) 

If you are looking for more tips to improve the way you work and live, I write a weekly newsletter where I share practical and simple to apply tips to improve your life. You can sign up for that at https://amantha-imber.ck.page/subscribe 

Visit https://www.amantha.com/podcast for full show notes from all episodes. 

Get in touch at amantha@inventium.com.au 

Credits: 
Host: Amantha Imber 
Sound Engineer: The Podcast Butler 

Some workdays&nbsp;leave&nbsp;you tired. Others leave you completely wiped, even when you have done everything right. In this episode, I explore why that happens and what it reveals about how work is really experienced.&nbsp;
I sat down with Cherie Clonan, founder and CEO of The Digital Picnic, to talk about neurodivergence, energy, and what happens when workplaces are not designed for the people in them.&nbsp;
Cherie was diagnosed&nbsp;with Autism&nbsp;as an adult and has spent more than a decade building a business while quietly masking in environments that drained her nervous system. We talk about what masking&nbsp;actually looks&nbsp;like at work, why some workplaces feel&nbsp;exhausting&nbsp;even when you love your job, and how leaders can create cultures that raise energy instead of depleting it.&nbsp;
We also go deep into Cherie's hardest year in business, the moment she was forced into action, and the non-negotiables she rebuilt from scratch to protect her energy, her team, and her company.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Cherie and I discuss:&nbsp;
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</ul>
<ul>
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</ul>
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Key quotes&nbsp;
&ldquo;Businesses&nbsp;do not go out of business when they run out of cash. They fail when the founder runs out of energy.&rdquo;&nbsp;
&ldquo;Energy loss is data. It is telling you something important about what you are tolerating.&rdquo;&nbsp;
Connect with Cherie Clonan on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/cherie.clonan/?hl=en">Instagram</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cherie-clonan/">LinkedIn</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;check out&nbsp;<a href="https://www.thedigitalpicnic.com.au/">The Digital Picnic</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;
My latest&nbsp;book&nbsp;The Health&nbsp;Habit&nbsp;is out now. You can order a copy here:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.amantha.com/the-health-habit/">https://www.amantha.com/the-health-habit/</a>&nbsp;
Connect with me on the socials:&nbsp;Linkedin&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanthaimber">https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanthaimber</a>)&nbsp;
Instagram (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/amanthai">https://www.instagram.com/amanthai</a>)&nbsp;
If you are looking for more tips to improve the way you work and live, I write a weekly newsletter where I share practical and&nbsp;simple to apply&nbsp;tips to improve your life. You can sign up for that at&nbsp;<a href="https://amantha-imber.ck.page/subscribe">https://amantha-imber.ck.page/subscribe</a>&nbsp;
Visit&nbsp;<a href="https://www.amantha.com/podcast">https://www.amantha.com/podcast</a>&nbsp;for full show notes from all episodes.&nbsp;
Get in touch at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:amantha@inventium.com.au">amantha@inventium.com.au</a>&nbsp;
Credits:&nbsp; Host: Amantha Imber&nbsp; Sound Engineer: The Podcast Butler&nbsp;

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You know those annoyingly successful people who seem to have it all figured out? Time to steal their playbook. Organisational psychologist Dr Amantha Imber gets world‑class achievers to spill their secrets&nbsp;- the daily strategies behind their success through to&nbsp;life hacks and productivity hacks they&rsquo;d rather keep to themselves. We&rsquo;re talking practical tips for boosting your output (including clever AI tools and shortcuts that&rsquo;ll make you look like a genius), managing overwhelm without losing your mind, and optimising both work and wellbeing. No motivational fluff. Just battle‑tested tactics from people who&rsquo;ve cracked the code.

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