What does J.P. Miller’s interview reveal when it’s analyzed by a man who trains law enforcement officers how to conduct evidence-based interviews?

Stan Walters — known as “The Lie Guy” — joins Billy Bush to break down NewsNation investigative journalist Rich McHugh’s extraordinary interview with J.P. Miller, the husband of Mica Miller and a central figure in Netflix’s Death of the Pastor’s Wife.

Walters approaches the interview differently. Rather than relying on body language or claiming he can simply “spot a lie,” he examines the reliability of what J.P. actually says: the details he provides, the details he doesn’t, how he describes his marriage to Mica, his repeated focus on himself, and whether his account could be reconstructed and tested against evidence.

Stan’s first major observation? Gaslighting.

“He is the greatest gaslighter I’ve ever seen,” Walters tells Billy.

Together, Billy and Stan examine J.P.’s claim that he and Mica had an almost “perfect” marriage, his description of Mica’s mental health, his response when asked what he would have done differently, and his striking announcement to his congregation following Mica’s death.

They also examine what Stan considers one of the most important parts of any investigative interview: the subject’s ability to recall and explain critical moments. Why does J.P. appear unable to provide certain details surrounding the moment he learned Mica was dead? What should investigators look for when evaluating statements like these? And how do investigators work backward from forensic evidence rather than allowing behavior or appearances to determine their conclusions?

Walters also explains why body language is an unreliable method of detecting deception — and why, as he puts it, “we can hear the truth better than we can see deception.”

Mica Miller’s death was officially ruled a suicide. J.P. Miller has not been charged in connection with her death. The allegations concerning abuse and coercive control discussed in this episode remain allegations, and Walters makes clear that his analysis is not a determination that J.P. committed a crime.

Watch as “The Lie Guy” puts one of the most talked-about interviews in the Mica Miller case under the microscope.

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