Pilgrimages are a universal phenomenon, from China’s bustling Tai Shan to the ancient Jewish treks to Jerusalem. But why? What is it about a grueling penitent march to an isolated temple that has become a prerequisite for a civilization of any size, whether Chicen Itza in the Mayan Empire or the holy sites of Mecca?

To explore this is today’s guest, Kathryn Hurlock, author of “Holy Places: How Pilgrimages Changed the World.” We also look at whether pilgrimages have become too easy in the 21st century. Has jetting off to Mecca or Rome for a quick indulgence turned them into spiritual tourism, a la Disneyland?

Pilgrimages are a universal phenomenon, from China&rsquo;s bustling Tai Shan to the ancient Jewish treks to Jerusalem. But why? What is it about a grueling penitent march to an isolated temple that has become a prerequisite for a civilization of any size, whether Chicen Itza in the Mayan Empire or the holy sites of Mecca?
To explore this is today&rsquo;s guest, Kathryn Hurlock, author of &ldquo;Holy Places: How Pilgrimages Changed the World.&rdquo; We also look at whether pilgrimages have become too easy in the 21st century. Has jetting off to Mecca or Rome for a quick indulgence turned them into spiritual tourism, a la Disneyland?

For history lovers who listen to podcasts, History Unplugged is the most comprehensive show of its kind. It's the only show that dedicates episodes to both interviewing experts and answering questions from its audience. First, it features a call-in show where you can ask our resident historian (Scott Rank, PhD) absolutely anything (What was it like to be a Turkish sultan with four wives and twelve concubines? If you were sent back in time, how would you kill Hitler?). Second, it features long-form interviews with best-selling authors who have written about everything. Topics include gruff World War II generals who flew with airmen on bombing raids, a war horse who gained the rank of sergeant, and presidents who gave their best speeches while drunk.

A show about American history, world history, World Wars 1 & 2, the Civil War, and much more.

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History Unplugged is one of the longest-running history podcasts of its kind, with over 1,000 episodes covering everything from Alexander the Great's plans for European colonization to the untold story of Alabamians who fought for Sherman deep inside Confederate territory. Topics range from the Bronze Age Collapse to the naval campaigns of the Barbary Wars to Daniel Boone's forced adoption by a Shawnee chief. Guests on the show include history professors, Pulitzer Prize winners, consultants for historical films, and outsiders like Joakim Brodén from Sabaton. The show is hosted by Scott Rank, a history professor specializing in the Ottoman Empire and author of 12 books. And for those who love to spin the wheel of what-if, the show regularly ventures into alternate history, exploring questions like what the USSR's victory in the Cold War would have meant for the modern world, or how our current map might look if the Confederacy had survived the Civil War.

 

History Unplugged is one of the longest-running history podcasts of its kind, with over 1,000 episodes covering everything from Alexander the Great's plans for European colonization to the untold story of Alabamians who fought for Sherman deep inside Confederate territory. Topics range from the Bronze Age Collapse to the naval campaigns of the Barbary Wars to Daniel Boone's forced adoption by a Shawnee chief. Guests on the show include history professors, Pulitzer Prize winners, consultants for historical films, and outsiders like Joakim Brod&eacute;n from Sabaton. The show is hosted by Scott Rank, a history professor specializing in the Ottoman Empire and author of 12 books. And for those who love to spin the wheel of what-if, the show regularly ventures into alternate history, exploring questions like what the USSR's victory in the Cold War would have meant for the modern world, or how our current map might look if the Confederacy had survived the Civil War.
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Pilgrimages Involved Penitent Marches, Visiting Holy Places, and Watching Drunken Emperors Go on Chariot Rides

For nearly two thousand years, swords reigned as humanity's weapon of choice—the first tools designed exclusively to kill other humans rather than hunt animals. When archaeologist Paul Gething rediscovered a rusty blade forgotten in a suitcase for thirty years, he unknowingly held one of history's most sophisticated weapons: a seventh-century Northumbrian sword so complex and finely crafted that only a king could have commanded its creation. The Bamburgh Sword tells the story of Anglo-Saxon England from 450 to 1066 AD, when feuding warlords wielded these pattern-welded blades with razor-sharp steel edges and bendy iron cores—weapons so precious they were covered with jeweled handles and ornate scabbards.

Today's guest is Edoardo Albert, author of The Perfect Sword: Forging the Dark Ages. We discuss how Bronze Age smiths in Minoan Crete around 1700 BC created the first definitive swords, how the introduction of iron around 1300 BC democratized warfare by putting blades in everyone's hands, and why the Bamburgh Sword represents the pinnacle of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship. We also explore what was lost when firearms replaced swords—as the Turkish folk hero Köroğlu reportedly lamented: "The rifle was invented, and bravery was ruined."

For nearly two thousand years, swords reigned as humanity's weapon of choice&mdash;the first tools designed exclusively to kill other humans rather than hunt animals. When archaeologist Paul Gething rediscovered a rusty blade forgotten in a suitcase for thirty years, he unknowingly held one of history's most sophisticated weapons: a seventh-century Northumbrian sword so complex and finely crafted that only a king could have commanded its creation. The Bamburgh Sword tells the story of Anglo-Saxon England from 450 to 1066 AD, when feuding warlords wielded these pattern-welded blades with razor-sharp steel edges and bendy iron cores&mdash;weapons so precious they were covered with jeweled handles and ornate scabbards.
Today's guest is Edoardo Albert, author of The Perfect Sword: Forging the Dark Ages. We discuss how Bronze Age smiths in Minoan Crete around 1700 BC created the first definitive swords, how the introduction of iron around 1300 BC democratized warfare by putting blades in everyone's hands, and why the Bamburgh Sword represents the pinnacle of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship. We also explore what was lost when firearms replaced swords&mdash;as the Turkish folk hero K&ouml;roğlu reportedly lamented: "The rifle was invented, and bravery was ruined."

From Bronze to Blood: How the Sword Became Humanity's First Murder Weapon

Science progresses through breakthrough discoveries, but behind many of the field's greatest advancements lies a darker history of scientific dysfunction—hostile competition, information hoarding, and criticism that has silenced revolutionary thinkers. From Alexander Gordon being forced to flee Aberdeen after proving doctors spread deadly infections, to Ignaz Semmelweis being fired and exiled for insisting doctors wash their hands between autopsies and deliveries, brilliant scientists have paid devastating personal prices for challenging medical orthodoxies. The pattern repeats across centuries: Pierre Louis was attacked for using statistics to prove bloodletting was useless, Joseph Lister faced ridicule for suggesting "invisible germs" caused infections, and Jean Toussaint suffered a nervous breakdown after Louis Pasteur appropriated his anthrax vaccine discovery. These cautionary tales reveal how the scientific community often becomes so attached to established paradigms that it rejects—or even destroys—those who dare to question consensus, no matter how strong their evidence.

Today's guest is Matt Kaplan, author of “I Told You So!: Scientists Who Were Ridiculed, Exiled, and Imprisoned for Being Right.” He has spent two decades observing dysfunction across all scientific disciplines and now calls for fundamental reform in his book "I Told You So!" He argues that personality and social connections are weighted too heavily over actual ideas and skill, with good scientists losing grants and promotions simply because they lack charisma or fail to make the right political connections. Kaplan explores how even paleontology has its bullies, pointing to cases like Alison Moyer's discovery of organic material in dinosaur bones being met with hostility for challenging established orthodoxies. Through these stories of scientists who were ultimately vindicated—from Gordon's germ theory to Semmelweis's handwashing protocols—we see how science advances faster when contrarians are allowed to have their say and when the community prioritizes rigorous debate over comfortable consensus.

Science progresses through breakthrough discoveries, but behind many of the field's greatest advancements lies a darker history of scientific dysfunction&mdash;hostile competition, information hoarding, and criticism that has silenced revolutionary thinkers. From Alexander Gordon being forced to flee Aberdeen after proving doctors spread deadly infections, to Ignaz Semmelweis being fired and exiled for insisting doctors wash their hands between autopsies and deliveries, brilliant scientists have paid devastating personal prices for challenging medical orthodoxies. The pattern repeats across centuries: Pierre Louis was attacked for using statistics to prove bloodletting was useless, Joseph Lister faced ridicule for suggesting "invisible germs" caused infections, and Jean Toussaint suffered a nervous breakdown after Louis Pasteur appropriated his anthrax vaccine discovery. These cautionary tales reveal how the scientific community often becomes so attached to established paradigms that it rejects&mdash;or even destroys&mdash;those who dare to question consensus, no matter how strong their evidence.
Today's guest is Matt Kaplan, author of &ldquo;I Told You So!: Scientists Who Were Ridiculed, Exiled, and Imprisoned for Being Right.&rdquo; He has spent two decades observing dysfunction across all scientific disciplines and now calls for fundamental reform in his book "I Told You So!" He argues that personality and social connections are weighted too heavily over actual ideas and skill, with good scientists losing grants and promotions simply because they lack charisma or fail to make the right political connections. Kaplan explores how even paleontology has its bullies, pointing to cases like Alison Moyer's discovery of organic material in dinosaur bones being met with hostility for challenging established orthodoxies. Through these stories of scientists who were ultimately vindicated&mdash;from Gordon's germ theory to Semmelweis's handwashing protocols&mdash;we see how science advances faster when contrarians are allowed to have their say and when the community prioritizes rigorous debate over comfortable consensus.

Scientists Who Were Ridiculed, Exiled, and Imprisoned for Being Right

In 1976, nine French wine judges did the unthinkable: they blindly selected two California wines over France's most elite vintages in what became known as the Judgment of Paris. This shocking upset sent shockwaves through the wine world and forever changed the global industry. French wine had dominated for centuries, built on a rigid classification system and prestigious terroir, but California winemakers like Warren Winiarski of Stag's Leap and Mike Grgich of Chateau Montelena proved that world-class wines could be produced anywhere with the right combination of climate, soil, and expertise. The tasting was organized by British expat Steven Spurrier, who ran a Paris wine shop and saw the American Bicentennial as a perfect marketing opportunity—but neither he nor the lone reporter in attendance, George Taber of Time magazine, expected California to actually win.

Today's guest is Kevin Ferguson, author and grandson of legendary winemaker Mario Gemello, who ran the Gemello Winery in Mountain View, California for nearly half a century. Ferguson shares the immigrant roots of California's wine industry, including how a $190 loan from the Beltramo family allowed his great-grandfather to bring his family from Piedmont, Italy to America. He discusses the legacy of working-class winemakers like his grandfather, whose 1970 Cabernet finished first in the 25th anniversary re-enactment of the Judgment of Paris, and explores how wineries like Ridge—founded by retired SRI engineers—brought scientific precision to the Santa Cruz Mountains. As we approach the 50th anniversary events in 2026, Ferguson reveals how this single tasting transformed California from an upstart curiosity into a world-class wine region that continues to rival the best of France.

In 1976, nine French wine judges did the unthinkable: they blindly selected two California wines over France's most elite vintages in what became known as the Judgment of Paris. This shocking upset sent shockwaves through the wine world and forever changed the global industry. French wine had dominated for centuries, built on a rigid classification system and prestigious terroir, but California winemakers like Warren Winiarski of Stag's Leap and Mike Grgich of Chateau Montelena proved that world-class wines could be produced anywhere with the right combination of climate, soil, and expertise. The tasting was organized by British expat Steven Spurrier, who ran a Paris wine shop and saw the American Bicentennial as a perfect marketing opportunity&mdash;but neither he nor the lone reporter in attendance, George Taber of Time magazine, expected California to actually win.
Today's guest is Kevin Ferguson, author and grandson of legendary winemaker Mario Gemello, who ran the Gemello Winery in Mountain View, California for nearly half a century. Ferguson shares the immigrant roots of California's wine industry, including how a $190 loan from the Beltramo family allowed his great-grandfather to bring his family from Piedmont, Italy to America. He discusses the legacy of working-class winemakers like his grandfather, whose 1970 Cabernet finished first in the 25th anniversary re-enactment of the Judgment of Paris, and explores how wineries like Ridge&mdash;founded by retired SRI engineers&mdash;brought scientific precision to the Santa Cruz Mountains. As we approach the 50th anniversary events in 2026, Ferguson reveals how this single tasting transformed California from an upstart curiosity into a world-class wine region that continues to rival the best of France.

Pilgrimages Involved Penitent Marches, Visiting Holy Places, and Watching Drunken Emperors Go on Chariot Rides

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