Hey Dude the Nineties Called with Christine Taylor and David Lasher. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Hey Dude the Nineties Called podcast. I'm David Lasher, Hi David, I'm Christine Taylor. Oh yeah, I forgot going by one name. I'm gonna go one name. I'm gonna feel casual with our fans at this point, it's Christine and David. Right, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm David and that's Christine. We're friends at this point with all our listeners, hopefully. How great was Jason Precy last week? Oh? I listened back to it yesterday and it was so good. I you know how, and it's happening in real time, it's sort of and also we get to see him, so I'm, you know, looking at his face and he's talking and it's just so funny. I looked so sort of gob smacked the entire I'm just nodding and like wide eyed smiles. Just I really was laughing on on our little social media clip of my face. But listening back, he's such a treat, Like, oh my gosh, what a fun dude, what a cool dude. I love his attitude. Um, I just thought it was so awesome. I you know, when we started the interview, my one note was I needed to ask him what it was like to have have acquired that sort of recognizability and fame that quickly, because you rarely see that. And I loved his answer that like he just stayed home. Oh it's so great. He just like isolated, and he talked about the work really has how he directed the show, he was became a producer on the show, and he was working you know, all day light there were he was in a bubble, yeah, and and really didn't see what was going on around them, but we all saw what was going on with him and the cast um Like do you and Ben get stopped all the time? I mean, is it a problem for you guys? No, not all the time time. I mean, honestly, Ben is the more recognizable, Like Ben is stopped all the time. I think because of the roles he's played. People come up to him and they feel like they know him, and he's sort of play be every man like hey buddy, you know yes, and and so he handles it so well. I can really fly under the radar. I mean, so that that's that's whenever there's two a couple that are both recognizable together, it could cause a stir, you know, yeah, but it's not a stir. It's a it's a it's a mild maybe you know, whisper mild. Like that's actually that's the perfect thing. Like you can actually, you know, make somebody smile once in a while by taking a selfie. But you're not like bombarded, right exactly. And they're it's they're always such nice fans. And um, but we have a great guest today who I'm sure gets recognized NonStop. First, really such a beautiful person inside and out. I've known her for so many years. Um, I've known I know her husband for many many years and their family. I know Elizabeth also and did an episode of Saved by the Bell back in the day, and she was and met her before the Saved by the Bell, which I want to talk about with her. But um, and and we have a lot of her of Greg's art work from over the way. We have a lot of his art because my really well we'll talk to her about it when when when we talked to her about it. But yes, my my oldest friend Janna was close with him and when she you know, she knew him well, and she would. She had all these cool pieces that she that anyway, it's we've got some really cool stuff of Greg's that is still up and I think of her all the time when I when I see it, really cool stuff. Yeah, he's incredibly talented. Two of them are a beautiful called um. But he pivoted to like fashion design, you know exactly. His father is Jerry Lauren, Ralph Lauren's brother, and he took his his from what I understand, he took his um passion for art and put it into fashion design. And like he designs incredible clothing. Um, and he's in you know, he's in I don't know you sacks and all these different Yeah, yeah, oh, I think Elizabeth is here. Let's welcome Elizabeth Berkeley. Hello. Hello, Hi, yeah, yeah, two people. I love so happy to see you. I love you too. It's so good to see you. On, come on, this is like, why did it take this long to get us together? Right? Oh my gosh, yeah, Liz, it's been a while. Right. We used to have dinner every time Dylan came out and then I mean exactly exactly. Oh my god, I'm so happy to see you guys, so good to see congrats on this, Like this is so exciting you guys coming together creating this, and then like letting you're gonna have like reunions every week, right, We're trying. I mean, we had a couple good reunions and now we have all these great friends and people that we've been interviewing. But we do really want to bring the reunions because there's nothing like watching listening, watching everybody sort of reconnect. You know. Obviously people have seen each other over the years, in and out, but like getting everyone together. For the couple of the reunions that we did, we did one for the Brady Bunch movie cast, which was great, and David David's White Squall cast came on and that was super cool. So we will and I mean, you're having your own individual like this right now with us. It's like, I mean, I think of you a lot, idem or or always, I wish you well in love from Afar, but I just love like this is our own little mini reunion, so I love. Oh, I'm so happy, Elizabeth. Do you remember You probably don't remember because I did Save by the Bell like one of my first jobs in LA but I met you before that. Like right before I was moving to LA. At Kelly Martin's sixteenth birthday party. It was in Brentwood, and it was all of these girls from I actually do and I would die to see pictures from that. I forgot to find them because it was at like the California Pizza Kitchen, and I had, you know, I'd never I'd think I'd been to LA once or something like that, and was Kelly had invited me, David. I met Kelly at the opening of the Nickelodeon studios and they had all of these fun people down there, and Kelly and I got really friendly during that weekend, and then she invited me to this birthday party and I happened to be in LA and you were so loving and gracious, and you gave me your number, and You're like, as soon as you get to LA, reach out, and I did and ended up on the show. And you just have always been such a sweetheart, like just the warmest human being. Every time we've run into each other over the years, it's like no time has passed. No. I by the way, I have no idea if we've started or not. We're just having our conversation, are you We're doing it, yes, and agree with everything and this is it, man, We're speaking the truth. Well, thank you. First of all. That is the sweetest because I have felt that way about you and specifically you know you and I. There was a whole host of girls during the time where we were coming up together where and David, you probably experienced this too, where there were people who grew up here and had already had their momentum right, and then, like you and and for myself, I came from Michigan as far from all this, you know as you could even dream of. I mean, two people I grew up with. It seemed far fetched and impossible, but held this clear vision, like like you, guys, so coming here and being the new it felt like the new girl in school. I do remember meeting you at that party, and I had probably myself just been kind of brand new here. I was commuting back and forth for three years before I moved here, oh my god, from Michigan. Yes, and at that time, guys, like there was no zoom audition. I was making like VHS tape or Beta my god, like hard copies that were being sent right yeah, or flying northwest on my own. And then I had these great acting teachers that maybe did you guys coach with Diane Harden and Nora Eckstein at Young Actors Space. No, okay, that was kind of the place, and Kelly and I were managed by those two incredible women, and that's how I that was the connection in there. Oh wow, exactly. And so, you know, being from somewhere else in search of the dream and pursuing that and trying to find community because we were all either being tutored or a regular school or a hybrid of the two, right, but we you know, we were a unique breed at that time doing it all on set. And you know, my parents made me go to regular school but as well, which I'm grateful for. But I think we kind of found our people at a young age really just to say, oh my gosh, we're going through this and navigating this together. And I'm sure you had your your pack of guys right that you were navigating that with. Yeah, I mean you sent a photo of yourself and I with Stephen Dorff when that was scrip brought me right back there. I was like, WHOA, I know, David, because we did and maybe Christine maybe you did as well. We did. It was like a teen Beat San Diego trip, right it was, Yeah, I remember it was a trip somewhere it was it was fourteen Beat. It was Teenbeat magazine, like was a Teenbeat magazine in the nineties posted these celebrity trips um that. Like, Honestly, when I was in Michigan, I would read about and go, oh my god, one day I'll go on one of those, which is so crazy, like as if that was some ultimate thing, but every kid did. Yeah, I remember being on this trip. We we we had um, not not mentors, what is it chaperones Okay, which now I'm sure we've all been chaperones for our own, our own kids trips exactly. Um, but we had these chaperones. Did they really watch us? I don't know, but um, Luckily we didn't get into trouble, but it felt like we were making it somehow, because then you were in Teenbeat and it felt like okay, the this, Yeah, you know, I'm out there and in there. It's there's such innocence because if you think about like the kids growing up now with social media and all of that, it was so controlled and so um. It was an insular world and we were protected in a certain way, in a certain way and certain ways exposed to things too soon as well. You know, there was that duality which is so interesting where I think kids now, you know, controlling their branding and their and their image, and they're all of that. We didn't have that, and there was something actually really sweet and old fashioned about being able to just explore and grow up, yes, in the public eye, but then also really protected, you know, in our cases by our parents or whomever you know on set, like in our case unsaved by the bell, which I don't want to get to a hut of things, but you know, we we we did have a pack of kids. We were miners and we had parents around, right, So we're actually lucky. I mean, you know, because you're on set with it, you could go home and turn it off, whereas you know, a YouTuber or a TikTok influencer, it's it's it's never over. The whole your whole life is you know, what what can I post? What can I film? It never ends for them, exactly and and true and true for I mean, my son is ten, so he's too young, and that it will not be giving it letting him. Oh my god, sky's ten years old. Can I believe it? Wow? Crazy? I home and your your babies are I know, I don't. I feel like we were We were reaching out, not like it felt like a minute ago where you were reaching out about editors and nannies and you're like, I need to figure this out and what did you do and how did yes? Yes, oh my gosh no, and that generosity of spirit thank you that like at different um moments and you know, those those rights of passages of you know, being a professional actress and then becoming a mom and then a working mom and then all of those things. You were someone that I could just reach out to and feel that connection no matter how many years had gone by, like always wishing each other well and then knowing that we could we could just pick up wherever and say, hey, I'm in this new life moment. I need I need your help. Can you guide me? Because we haven't been here before? Right, And there's nothing that I think, you know, my moms or parents want to do more than in part, you know, just feel like, Okay, I can pass something on because I made so many mistakes and I don't want that the next person to make the same mistakes that I made and we all just and then it's just a you know, it's um you just yes, you pay it forward. The gift that keeps giving. It is it really is that. I mean I have people now who again I don't have all the answers, right, but it is a unique specific thing also being in the industry to be able to you know, and I guess in any workforce where where especially a woman in that moment finds some stuff, they need to turn to someone who has been through it and is a little bit ahead on that path, on that journey to say, okay, this is what worked, what worked, what didn't, and why this is my specific journey. Here's what I can impart and then you know that wisdom you take, you take what works for you to take it or leave it exact exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so I appreciate you because yeah, reaching out at that time especially it's more vulnerable, right, so much so if you are it's you feel lost. I think you just starting you read everything and just I mean I remember reading some book after when Ella was a week old. She's going to be twenty one next week, so yes, yes, but I remember thinking I just was sobbing. And also I hadn't left the house. I was like, I think I might have showered twice in that first week because I didn't want to leave her. I wanted to just take pictures. But I remember sobbing saying, I've ruined it all. I've already messed her up because she's not sleeping and she's not this, and I'm just missing. And then you find your own rhythm, right, Yes, and she's doing fine. She maybe slept in the bed with us a little too long, she maybe had a bottle for too long. Guess what she's okay now. And I wanted to say to moms and parents, you gotta you do you right exactly what works for the rhythm of your family, and the family has that. And David, I know you're a great daddy. So I know you're so present and you've from day one, you've just you know, you're so committed and devoted, and he's such a good dad. I honestly enjoy like there's nothing I'd rather do than be, uh, you know, at my kids basketball game or on a beach with them, or you know, that's that's what I look forward to in life. And I stop and I take, you know, like a mental photo in my head, like everyone's healthy, everyone's together, and I try and be present and like really take get in. I'm not surprised you guys are friends, because you really are like sort of kindred spirits and both such sweet, like beautiful souls, and I'm not surprised that you guys have connected like that. Yeah, no, my only I'm not going to say regret because we have we have more time here, thank God, in life, but it's not getting to spend enough time with you. So at some point, Christ, we're gonna have to just make that happen. Yes, you know, I know everybody's families and lives and business and all of that, but I would love to just sit across from you, not just on zoom, but I have a cup of tea, yes, like go deep and I would love that. I would really love that. I would too. We will do it. We will wait. Let's go back to you were from Michigan and you were flying back and forth for auditions, and then your family moved to LA How did that? How did that happened? What happened? Is so, guys, when I was nine, I wrote a letter to Norman Lear. You know, is is the legendary producer of all, probably in the eighties right the most, from the Jeffersons to the Yeah. I wrote him a letter when I was not Let me just back up that I always knew I wanted to do this. Okay, this was not a we all know kids whose parents kind of pushed them into it or lived vicariously through their children. This was just it was a calling I had. It was a passion I had, and my parents, luckily without any showbiz connections of any kind, took it seriously and they it was really like I started with dance class and dance. I lived it, I breathed it. It was I mean, it still is one of the great loves of my life. But I was very serious about it. I did like seventeen dance lessons a week growing up, and then I did theater and then commercials and modeling and started going to work with Elite when I was about twelve. But very overprotective parents, okay, like they sent me off to the model's apartments alone at twelve or Paris or something. They were always my mom was always with me and right so we I was doing as much as you could in Michigan, which is very limited, right, and we thought. But I did get my SAG card doing commercials, and I really my mom knew and my dad knew that the minute I graduated, I'd be out the door and off to Hollywood. But they let me start working young, which was actually a gift. And I think because I was in Michigan, it was in doses. It wasn't all, you know, in terms of like I wasn't working on sets NonStop from the age of nine, right, It was gradual, and that felt organic and not as scary maybe to them. And you were always in a regular school in Michigan and la yeah, always, always yeah, which I think wasn't and there was something good about it to have that normalcy. But then when I was nine, I wrote this letter to Norman Lear and told him that he should make me a star and here's why. And I actually got a letter back when I probably a few months later, I got him a letter back from Mark Hirshfield, who worked for him at the time, was one of the biggest casting people. You guys probably know him, and he said, you know, thank you so much. We don't need to look for talent outside of Hollywood, but if you should ever find yourself here. Please don't hesitate. I have the letter. Okay. Wow. So my parents two years later, no, three years later, when I was twelve, we came for a family vacation. My uncle lived here, not in the business again, and I was still pursuing all these other avenues of work, a lot of theater. And then we called. We called, and my mom helped me, you know, find the number obviously, and said we're we're here. I don't know if you remember this, and he actually remembered it. Had me come in. I brought a boombox, guys, okay, I mean an old school and I pressed play and saying somewhere over the rainbow for him, and he was like, okay, I'm setting up some meetings with agents. And that's when I got my agent who I was with till I Judy Savage. Were you guys with Judy Savage? Remember? But I remember, yes, okay, because there were just a few Iris Burton. Judy Savage was okay, okay, impressive um. And then Diana and Nora who managed to Kelly. They became my managers. I started training at Young Actors Space, and that really set things in motion and created this momentum of me flying back and forth for a few years twelve to fifteen. Um, I would stay with Diane or stay with Nora and stay for the summers. Did you guys ever live at Oakwood? Oh? I remember visiting you there, David. Yes, you're only supposed to live there for like a few weeks. I think I lived there for a year and a half. No way, And you never put anything up on the walls. It looked the most sterile, depressing. I didn't I don't think he didn't know. It was like a bag on the floor and just like a toothbrush in the bathroom, like you never made any place feel at home. Ever, it was exactly this is it was. First of all, it was awful. Then the plaid couches, and but for some reason, guys who you know, for all your listeners, you know, this was the place that if you did not live there yet, that you would come. And it was kind of like a hotel for actors who were in the suite of their dreams, right, Um, I mean the Burbank Burbank, California, and all your brothers of the studios. Yes, did everyone's there for pilot season and everyone's auditioning for the same side. It was a very unique I mean you would be at the oh it's on Barham, right. Yeah. They had alternate locations Woodland Hills. They got very fancy, they expanded, but bar the one on Barham was the epic classic one. Um. I spent like six weeks. My brother came with a best friend and anyway, we stayed there for six weeks and that's when it started to kind of build from there. So, Um, anyway, I think now, no joke, I think they have They still cater to young actors, but it's like a whole business there. You can take acting there. They do your head shots there. I don't know that makes sense, like like a like I get started in show business community. Right. So then my brother was going off to college, um, and you know, I was starting to fly back and forth so much that we just it was it was inevitable and that I was, like I said, going to be gone after graduating. Um, and so my parents just said, you know, maybe we should do it now. When so he was going off and then I was flying back and forth. So it really it felt like the right time. Um, my dad had to take the bar and start over. He was a successful lawyer in Michigan, and we had your dad gave up a law practice in Michigan. I had to retake the bar in California to support You're accurate, that's unbelievable, but you know they are. They are incredible, incredible parents, like beyond beyond belief, loving and for both of us. My brother also he went to medical school and now he's a doctor at Cedars. Like they they really supported both of both of our dreams. Um, yeah, they're they're incredible people. But I think they were also ready for their own adventure like they had. They were born and raised in Michigan, and I think they decided, also, let's do this when else, if not now, when right? And both both kids, you know, then j Jason was going to ultimately move here. So it was a family decision and we went for it. And then we moved to Calabasas, which is not the Calabasas we all know now, not rural, but it was suburban yet uh yeah, not slick at all, yes, and one step outside of it all right, you know a little bit of a drive exactly. Yeah, My car was you'll appreciate this scene. It was Fred Siegel on wheels because I had, Like when I for for your listeners, I would have to it was like forty five minutes from anything that had anything to do with the industry. Had you're Thomas Guide. Oh my right, yeah, for the for the newbies moving here, like we we pounded the pavement. Okay, just Thomas Guide alone you It was like a grid, right. It was like student City a Jerry's Delhi and Studio, which was like the classic Deli A four right. And how I don't know how I did it. I don't know. I can't go anywhere without my ways. Even if I know where I'm going, I still need it. No more sense of direction, guys, I mean I take good direction on set without ways, forget it. But do you remember there was Thomas Guide. You'd have to pull over, fine pull over, yes, I mean it was a map for dummies, so you just had to sort of pull over, which ran am I going down? It made us resourceful, though, damn it did. I was sweating every time I had not Like, I made sure, I you know, padded the timing because I knew, no matter what, I was going to get lost and have to figure it out with the Thomas. So you just kept multiple kept outfit changes because I never knew if I was going up for like the preppie whatever, I had to have that in the car. If I was if it was like the the Hooker, the young you know, like that was the It was the There were so many, you know, I had to have everything ready and change in bathrooms of restaurants and just had to be ready. There was a there was a gym that was kind of classic. Did you guys ever go to Sports Club LA in the nineties, Ye, yes, I didn't belong, but I would go as a guest. It was expensive, right, it was expensive. I named news. I wasn't going to pay that. But wait, I belonged the Equinox. Now though I will say, okay, okay, all right, you reclaimed you claimed it. Well, I was a member, but I think I became a member once I got a show. Right. It wasn't until I got saved by the Bell that I was able to be a member and getting the paycheck weekly. Um. I felt that pride in being able to get that membership. But that became the place where I would, um, you know, get ready because we would get appointments spontaneously and then you would to work on sides and get them faxed and memorize and so calabasas. It was kind of like that's where I started the day and the end of the day, but everything in between was either filming or driving around to different auditions all around town and being ready for anything. Right in sports Club Ballet was like you're like a like a home. They had a restaurant in that gym, like they had oh, they had a hair salon. So Christine, you'll you'll appreciate the like with curly because you have naturally curly hair too, But straight air. I know, I'm naturally straight. I always wanted curly hair. I'mturing you in like an orange scrunchy yeah, because it was so nineties and all I did was hot roller my hair because I wanted curly hair. Yes, Hey, I thought you were one of the you know, okay, um, my hair is actually I want to be yea anyway, well I thought, I thought, okay, Well, anyway, it was do I go with straight hair? Do I go with curly hair? Was often the big question of the day of what would be best for that particular casting. Um, did I jump ahead way ahead from the No, let's bring us to the Saved by the Bell audition, because I mean it's literally a cultural phenomenon. I don't you obviously didn't know at the time. But how did that come come about? Um? Well, I had so. I had done a few guest spots on like Silver Spoons, the Best Ricky Schroeder, Oh my god, Oh my guys. I had one line Okay, it was um it was an episode where Ricky Rick at the time he was now Rick in the Night, Yeah, where he had a guesthouse and a party in the guesthouse. And I had one line, Hi, rick nice place. And I don't even know the lines you nail it. I did, but I'm not gonna lie. When you have one line in something, it's almost more nerve wracking because you're like waiting for you you're waiting for You're like intern. You overthink how to say it, how to say it in your head the one line one So it was like Hi, Rech nice place or Hi Rech pause ellipses right, right, I mean ifferent ways. I did, and I just was hoping it would come out in some way that made sense. Um. So, yeah, So I was starting to build the resume, like you know, an episode here an episode there. I did a show called give Me a Break with Joey Lawrence. You guys have had on Oh so great give Me a Break? That was such a yeah. Yeah, that was my first show and I sang on that show. Um I played an orphan anyway. Um. Yeah. So it was starting to build and then pilot season, which um, which is that time of year. It's different now because they're streaming services and you know, shows are being developed at all different times, as you guys know, but for anyone that doesn't know, it used to be just a certain time. February was it like January February January through April, right, and everyone would find out if the show got picked up by many exactly, and then you would shoot the pilot for a potential show in this time if you were lucky enough to get one after testing at the network however many times. But so one of one of my you know, auditions during that time a pilot season was saved by the bell. And it was kind of a strange one though, because when was your show that you guys did together, because when did it air? Was it was on cable or it was on Nickelodeon From nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one, Okay, yeah, and like what day did it air or what time? Because it was a unique thing for us that we were Saturday Morning, I mean our right, that was a new thing, right, yeah, we were up against the chipmunks, like animated or I think wrestling or something. Definitely sports came after us, but this was a new thing. Like, what do you mean It's a Saturday Morning not primetime show, which is the thing we all wanted, right right, and it wasn't And everybody always remember Saturday Morning cartoons, right, the animated shows, all the kids animated shows, but but a live action, right situation comedy exactly, And so we all we were all a bit like what is this um previous? Like the first incarnation of the show was called Good Morning, Miss Bliss and only Mark, Paul Lark and Dustin did that show with Hayley Mills, and then they they redeveloped it for this Saturday Morning. Brandon Tartakoff was a huge part of you know really, I mean he was incredibly he was the head of NBC, beloved and just such an incredible man. But he really loved the show, but he wanted to rework it and then create this new time for live actions. So it was an audition we had. I remember for the final callback, the test, Mario was in the hallway, UM, and we said hello, and there was just that fun chemistry. You know. It's it's hard to think back to those moments when you first met the person that you have this history with. Now. Sure he was so innocent. We were both. He was coming off a show called UM with Fergie called Kids Incorporated. It was like a dance incorporated. The song the song Oh I don't know. Mario was on that show. It was the drummer a little drummer boy and with him And when did you talk to him? I love that we were just we were on his radio show. Yes, he interviewed us. Yeah, well he when he comes, I'm here. Just remind him about his perm. Okay, you didn't have im in a mullet. Um. So when I met him and he was so sweet, we just kind of smiled. It's it's a very clear moment to me though. UM. And then Tiffany and I were up for the same role. There was the role of Jesse wasn't in the mix, and so she and I were both vying for Kelly Um and then Brandon, who I said, I loved um. He said, you know what, they couldn't decide between the two of us, and so then Jesse became a thing. Jesse's fano and so we so they wrote a part in for you because they loved you. They did that spread amazing compliment they did, and we I mean, and what was so crazy, you guys, is we only did seven episodes at first. It was not like the normal pickup of a show that's like twenty two or now nowadays it's you could have ten thirteen, But at that time you either got a full season or you didn't. And so it was again it was we probably had more rap parties than any show because best never knew. Um, I don't know what the metrics were at the time, like the Nielsen ratings or how they found out, you know, that this was in fact a success. But so we did seven, then we did thirteen, and then we'd keep coming back, but there would be a break in between, and we did school on set. Did you did you tutor with us Christine in our schoolroom? No? Because I had graduated, I had I'm a year older, so I had just finished, and was had finished that on our set. Okay, that's okay, because we had we had to do three hours a day of school, and we had a schoolroom set up with a tutor, an amazing tutor, Sidney Sharon, who actually wrote the Algebra to Algebra to Trig book that I used at Calabasas High. So I was feeling like, okay, you know, but because our seasons weren't like a nine month shooting schedule, there was a lot of going back and forth into regular school and then coming back to set, so it was disjointed. But it was actually a great dose of real life and that consistency, which for me, I think um was a really good thing. I was grateful to have the normalcy, though I did other jobs in between as well. But um, we did. We did this show. We had no idea, David. You were asking, like, you know, you were mentioning about just what a pop like, Yeah, you couldn't have an idea that it would become. No, we never knew. We knew that people liked it, We knew that, you know. Every Friday night we had a live taping with a studio audience. It was like a Pep rally. Of kids, and we were really close. We were really we were fifteen when we started. So our group. I mean we all got our driver's licenses together, we all got our you know, we were talking about different rites of passages as women, but as kids, we actually shared those together. We became famous together, our dreams were coming true together. We yeah, each of us bought our own first car, and our parents were on set, so we always felt like someone was looking out for us in a really special way. I remember when I did my episode, you were all so nice because we always we talked about we guests are and something and you never know what that. You always feel a little bit like an outsider and what that, and er you want to give every you know, as a teenager, it's sort of like I want they're a group, I want to give them their space. But you guys, I remember you invited me to come to lunch with you at the across No it's like there's like a restaurant in the in the mini mall, like right across the street. It's still there, that place. I feel like, where did you shoot suns at our right? I was just trying to burst at NBC. But I think when Christine came, we moved around a bit um Raleigh and sunset hour did did you and I go to that really nice restaurant right there in that strip mall? Yeah? It was. It was a nice fairly nice thrown up of us, very thrown up. But I think, I think maybe your mom game. Then I think Tiffany and her mom. Like it was this nice little group and I you so generously included me, and I felt so cool. I was like, I really feel like i've you know, it was so much fun, so sweet. I love that these are part of your memories because it makes me happy to know that we. I mean, look, even as adults now, I don't know when when you guys will go do someone else's show, you still feel that first day of school kind of jitters feeling, especially if it's a well oiled machine and there's you're stepping into someone else's um routine. And absolutely, especially at the age of I mean being a teenager, it was different than other shows, like kids were twenty five playing fifteen or like that was a big thing then, you know that, but it was unique to our show and to your show like that we actually were pretty much the age we were all playing, which was unique. Yeah, scared. It's like starting a new school, but like as an exchange student that's only there for a week. Exactly. It's a scary things you're told yeah, oh go ahead, and people sometimes can get fired after after the table read. We had some actors that came in. You're still being judged and there are people from the network and you read that out loud and you better nail it the way you did at the audition. I mean, it's it. It's a lot to take on as a kid. You know, you are working as a grown up, so the expectation is no different, especially at that age. It's not like kids who are five and you know, obviously there's a different expectation. But Mark Paul says this often like when we when we talk that we really I mean, we had the expectation of delivering no different. No, it's no different than adult and that's right, that's right, exactly right. So you have to have that work ethic, you have to have that sure and I learned that from dance and that has always kind of been the foundation for me, that kind of drive and discipline and work ethic that even if I'm not using literal dance in a project like theater or something. I I just have that foundation, which I think is good for everything. So you look back on the whole show and that time in your life as a great experience. I do, I really do. I I think we felt safe, We felt um, we felt and balanced. Yeah, it was balanced, family, school set work. Yeah, I mean we you know, and we like a family. Like we would get into little arguments here and there were like brothers and sisters. Seriously, it was like siblings and and it got you know, we got over it in a second. We would after tape night we would go to ed d Bevics, which was this fifties diner. Yes, yes it is, so that was our Friday night. It was honestly so innocent. And then as we got older and we did the Beach Club episodes, which felt like really mature. I think people were starting to kind of go out a little bit things like that, but so it felt like very grown up. But it really we were still protected in this kind of insular bubble and obviously no paparazzi and all of those things again that like teenagers now have to teen stars now have to deal with, and the truth is the impact of the show and the and the wild success of it, like the multi generational kind of like love for this show, which is so beautiful. I mean, people will come up to us and often what we hear is like, you're my childhood, and what a special thing to be a part of someone's actual childhood, whether they were like I hear stories of someone who's like a latchkey kid and would come home and there we would be, or then when it went into syndication, it was every morning for kids, so it started Saturday morning, but then became like honestly for a few generations now like it was there after school thing, then there before school thing, and now you can pretty much find it anywhere and everywhere you can't. Yeah, you know, the fans of of Saved by the Bell, the fans that we find about with hey dude, yeah, um, you know, they didn't have we we've we we've spoken about this. They didn't have social media, they didn't have Snapchat and TikTok and all these distractions, and there wasn't a lot of programming for kids. There wasn't a million channels, so like this would they owned this, They owned Saved by the Bell. It was their thing. It wasn't a grown up thing. Yes, and they have this attachment to it, uh, definitely, And and and that still now like generations. You know, the most we did where we would kind of see what impact it was having was going to a mall signing at the time, like innocent kind of like you know, you know, like that singer Tip he would do not to be you know, not Tiffany these but like the singer Tiffany. Yes, yes, so people like that's how you kind of could measure how it was doing in you know, firsthand. But then you know, we did like one hundred episodes and and that was over how many years we did eighty nine like you, it's very similarly eighty nine to like ninety three I think. And did you leave the show early before? Yeah, so you left on your own so odd like perfect like nineties sitcom fashion. Tiffany and I both decided to leave after the characters graduated, like it was time. We felt like it's time. And then there was a new character of Tory that came in. Um, they need never explained where we went. She was like morph of the two of us. You know, Oh she actually I am wearing a leather jack she they put a leather jacket on Tories, so she was kind of tough, and then she had the curly hair and then had like Tiffany's bangs. Like it was. They just never mentioned where we went, so they did some more episodes after we graduated, Tiffany went off. Oh my gosh, did she do nine O two and oh? Right? Then I think she joined nine O two and O or she took a break to try to explore other things and then did the college years and then nine o two and I'm not sure her timeline of that, but we just I was surrounding for more. I wanted to do other things, and I was so grateful. Oh my god. It's not like we turned our backs on the show. It wasn't like that. It was just it was the natural time and we didn't know if it was going to get picked up, and we just said, let's go. Tiffany and I both wanted to check out other things, and then they did end up doing just a few more before. It's so great to be able to make that decision on your own rather than you know, get the call was being canceled. That's like, you know, gut wrenching. But so you you oh, by the way, sometimes you don't even get that call, Like even now read it in the trains, I'm like, how does that happen? You know, where here you just worked with people and created something that you care about and suddenly you're like, oh, okay, I guess we're not going back based on a deadline variety. You know, it's all dismantled, it's all gone, everything that was humanity within that. Yeah, after a while, but you're right to not be bitter is to really you know, to have that strength and then you need the duality of that and the vulnerability to be good at the work. But you've got it. You know. It's like then I did show Girls after that, like two years later, right, so that that that was like the most coveted role for a young actress, right, I mean it was at the time. Who was the director, Paul Basic Instinct? Right, Yeah, he had just made Sharon Stone the biggest star in the world in Basic Instinct. Yeah, right, everybody wanted that role and you got it. And I'd let me just preface this by saying, we we've spoken to other guests, specifically Ben Stiller, who has said that he's done. A lot of his movies did not do well when they first came out, whether it's Zoolander or The Cable Guy, and somehow ten years later they're like appreciated. And I know Showgirls is now like a cult hit, but at the time, what an amazing experience, and then like it must have been frustrating, right it was? It was so Yeah, first of all, it is wild. I didn't know that about Ben's movies. Yes, oh yes, I didn't realize that Lander did not do well at all. It was it came out right after nine to eleven, and people, you know, the idea was, let's put something out that people can sort of escapism and go to the theaters and laugh and the community, and it backfired. Nobody also, yes, exactly, so there's a lot of those. But yeah, so while to me I had no idea, Um, yeah, I you know, obviously, like you said, a lot of girls and a lot of girls we know with big, big names at the time. And remember so it's aw a, how old are you? It was twenty two? No, I was twenty one, yeah, twenty one, and everyone and their mother wanted it unless unless there was an aspect to it that they weren't comfortable with, which is possible, like it was on the page what was expected in this role, and so maybe some people were not comfortable with it, and I get that, um, but there were a lot of very well known people at the time, and even though, like we've been talking about Saved by the Bell is this kind of mainstay in pop culture at that time, it was still kind of like not really fully on the radar where I was, I wasn't like known, and especially at that time, you stayed in your lane. You're either a TV person, film person, or right, but what David from a Saturday morning kid show to show girls David, I don't like to do things in a low key way. But I need to tell you though, like this was it was not like my plan, Like there wasn't some grand plan of like let me show them another side. There wasn't that mission I was. It was just looking for great work and working with great filmmakers. And my vision though that was clear to me, is I really wanted to do films, and that's what I had really trained in and trained for. I really wanted that, and this was one of the first big ones that came up and there were a lot of prerequisites around the role itself. They needed someone who could act, who could physically pass as a showgirl, who could dance, who could hide dance training seventeen lessons a week exactly. Yeah, each thing just felt like, oh my god. And my agent at the time said, there's no way you're gonna get this. They're gonna go with a huge name. And I don't know, you know, you just when you get a sense about something. I just had this vision of like if I could just get in the room, I think I'm gonna get this. Like it was it not a conceited thing, not an entitled thing. It was very like, I don't know, it was a visceral connection to this part. Well, yeah, I mean those boxes exactly what you said. It's very rare when something comes along, and those you can you can honestly say, I can check every one of those boxes. So this is a great opportunity whether I get it or not. But I know I can go in and any of you should kill it, I can kill it. Yeah, exactly exactly. And so finally I Joanna Ray brought me in, um and I did my thing, and you know, I just remember the tape. They taped that my sound did not come out somehow, so they had to have me back quickly to then come back in and do it again. And I know, I know now that the director had kind of made his decision that day, but I still I had to jump through, like I guess, a lot of coops. I think I had four more callbacks because it was MGM, and I had a dance audition, and there was so and then a chemistry. There was a lot to it. It was yeah, it was probably did you have to do an official screen test in that school sense, in that old school sense, yes, yes, And then once I got cast, I then did that with other people for the other roles like Gina and Kyle and got it actors Um and Glenn Plummer. Yeah, and it was this is it's fun kind of talking about with you guys, because I haven't really thought of the process or the journey of the getting it, so it's kind of fun to just think back with you in a fresh way. But and the filming of it too. I mean, I've also talked about that's forget about what the world thinks about it exactly. Who have the experience the friendship, right Christine Ben talked about that as well, and Jeff Bridges, Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's You're right, there's the journey of getting it, there's the journey of the doing of it. Then no one can take that away from you, right, Like that experience that's personal, that's in your heart. That's the blood, sweat and tears that went into making it right, Oh my God, and the trust me like this was seven days a week for six months or even more, and there was nowhere honestly, during the making of it, there was nowhere I would have rather have been as a young girl and a young woman in Hollywood, just that emotional ernie for a girl. You know. I run a foundation and have since two thousand and six for adolescent girls. It's a self esteem program, and I have no doubt that facilitating that has been a heart and soul mission of mine. It's called Ask Elizabeth. It's incredible, which we want to talk about too. Thank you. Yeah, sorry, I don't mean to get no no, no, no, no, no please. When I'm thinking and considering this in the moment with you just going, I have no doubt that probably some things that I went through at that time that I had to fight for or stand in no doubt my mission later when I would create it in two thousand and six was something that was so important to me because a lot of my my learning was hard earned. Ultimately the creative and that's what I take away from the thing of what we did. The creative. I just was in heaven. Especially the dance. The dancing was something that you know, for me was like a dream. Well your dance saying in that film it is off the charts, and I you know, not knowing, you knowing you were a dancer and that you had training, but not ever having seen anything what you did in that film. I mean, first of all, like that, how you could physically even right now that right, I don't know how we like, I have a lot of dancer friends that I trained with at professional studios here that we're also cast in the movie, like in the chorus, and we're such an integral part to those numbers. And we would look at each other at two am like another take another this was you know, it's not Broadway where you do I mean, which is hard enough eight shows a week. I've done a lot of Broadway in London theater and you but you have that two hours to tell the story. This is an eighteen hour day, take after take, But I swear to you that part was the joy. Um. I think the part that was hard in the acting piece of this particular project is that I didn't realize we were we were directed in such an over the top fashion. Like the director Paul was so clear on his vision, and it's not really the way you know, in any of my screen tests, it wasn't really the way I was acting. So it was new for me that, oh, okay, we're gonna shift. He's got this more over the top vision for what Vegas is his commentary on this world, the underbelly of Vegas and the US. You know, he's a Dutch filmmaker and a lot of his movies are really provocative and in your face, and you know, I'm not I'm not a victim here to anything. I mean, it was communicated. It just was very different, and it's also ironically part of I think why it has reached this cult status because everything is that kind of fun heightened, from the esthetic to the makeup to the I mean that world is over the top, so so over over the top. I mean, it felt very deliberate it felt very you know, and that it was it was from him, But then how they promoted it was not, so there was this weird disconnect. They promoted it more like basic instinct, when in fact they should have just at the time promoted it for what it is. And yeah, and it got that rating right, which it did really hurt the whole thing. You know, they could have they could have cut some stuff out and made it exactly exactly, but he was clear like that was he was clear. When the movie came out, and it was highly criticized, and they were very, very personal attacks, you know, from whether it be Time Magazine, New York Time, you know, you name it. It It was a very strange time because you do you know, when you're working and you're so close with the people you're making the thing with it, you're collaborating with. When it came out, those people were gone, and I was left to defend myself when I didn't make this movie on my own, and so it was it was very strange and unfortunate because I didn't have the history of multiple movies to back me up, you know, I just had the kids, shows no muscle memory of having even been through this before. So to reconcile what we did and now how to why am I defending what we did? And we said, you know, I mean and must have been hard and not just the muscle memory. But I hadn't really seen that happen to another young actor ever, like I really had. And again I am not some victim or you know, I am an empowered human, but I've never seen someone to even go, oh, could I reach out to so and so? Like the filmmakers themselves were nowhere and so to even defend it. So I went around the world with the film because I didn't bail on the world tour. I other people did. And I went myself to every major territory and promoted it because I thought, well, at least they'll meet me. And you know, Christine, at that point you had known me a few years. I wasn't the character I played. I was very different, I mean actress, and so I thought, well, maybe if they could meet me in person, also if I deliver to these financers and um. Anyway, so I went all over the world with it, and yeah, there was a lot of fallout. There was you know, I got dropped by agency and manager and I just honestly I was like, are you serious? Oh yeah, yeah, they wouldn't know. I wouldn't I couldn't even audition for anything. No one would see me and they had no idea. Ridiculous to blame the actress for exactly exactly. And so that's where, um, I was like, Okay, what do I do? Because I've worked my whole life for this and in one fell swoop like it's just being pulled away. It was very it was devastating and that. But at the same time, I was like, I just need to do my work for people. How do I do this? Um? Sherry Lansing was a mentor of sorts and I reached out to her and I just sat with her. I remember saying, can I just come talk with you and my next role? But it took a few years to even land something again. Um, I was able to audition, which is so crazy to say that able to you know what I mean? It was my life's work and suddenly, um, but First Wives Club was the next thing I got, which was incredible to work with Goldie and Diane, those great powerhouse women. Right then, thank you God for putting me in this situation. First of what was comedic Christine. I know you're a phenomenal comedic actress, so you know that, like the freedom of doing comedy with other women is oh, it's nothing better, Yes, nothing better. And to really laugh and with these women that I'm sure where you had admired and grew up watching and and such a good movie, and god knows they had been through every high and low of the industry by that point of their lives. So it was right where I needed to be. It was the perfect next day. What a great way to say I'm still here and I'm with Goldie and Eaton and everybody. You did it. I love it. I love it. David, where were you have been? I would have loved for you? So I really just wanted at that time, like I wanted. I wish someone who was in a position that would be heard would have stood up, even another woman, like to speak up and say enough enough with being the bully on the playground to this young woman, like enough and yeah, where was your Where was Where's Jamie Lee Curtis right then? Because you you probably didn't know her back then, but if if you did, if you did, you thinking of I'm thinking of Jamie Lee right now. I'm saying enough, but like, I can just picture stopping it. I would have loved that. And then at the same time, guys, you know, we all go through highs and lows in life, and maybe I don't know it. It made me so strong, It made me grow up so fast, It made me so strong, and mainly I decided to not ever be bitter or angry. Like it was like, get move forward, keep doing what I love, don't let it stop me. And and yeah, so well, like you said, you made the decision, you made the choice for you that you were not going to be a victim and you were not going anywhere. You've earned your place here, You've worked your tush off, and yeah, I'm here, so I will fight my way in to get into those rooms. And God, that is powerful, Thank you, thank you. And I got so clear then that even if the next few things would be smaller roles, I was like, it just helped me define instead of maybe you guys remember that feeling of like I just want to work instead after that my criteria and the defining of what was most important like to do. After that, then I worked with al Pacino in any given Sunday, And so it was like collecting these gems of experiences to build back and then um, and that's when I then started to also do some serious theater, like I went off to London with Eddie Azzard we did the Lenny Bruce story and that I never got to see it, but I remember when you were Yes, I remember the press about it. I was so excited for you that you were taking a completely different path and exploring something totally new, which I mean I remember the press, but that that was that sounded terrific and hurly Burle remember when you did that. That was with Ethan Hawk. And then now we're going into the tooth. We allowed to talk about anything. I want to talk about the charity as well. Yes, I want to talk about New York Times best selling author. Thank you so much. Um yeah, so yeah, So not just wrapping up nineties though it was. It was building back, planting seeds of working with with those that I you know, was so grateful to learn from in every way, in every way, and then you know, having the just humility and kind of grace to you know, take it, but but overcome it and and find find out what I was really made of too. I mean, you don't know until you're tested and all of us, all of us, no one goes unscathed. Mine was very public. But whether it's personal or professional, life is hard these you know, the hero's journey, right, there's there's always going to be something, and so it's what do you do in those moments? And now I know I can handle. After that, there was kind of a strength, um, not an arrogance, but just a strength of Wow, there's really not much if someone through through this or this at me that I couldn't know how to navigate on a set. So but for you, for you to get that grace at twenty two, twenty three years old, is you were wise beyond your years because that that would have broken a lot of people. It really would have. And that's so impressive. Thank you, Thank you, m ask Elizabeth. You know you tell us about your work with teenage girls. Um, so in two thousand and six, I was, yeah, I was actually doing a play in New York. I was living in New York. Um, if you were there, Christine, we should have gone for coffee. But we weren't there yet. It wasn't in ten so we've always been missing each other. Okay, yeah, um, but we could play sisters in something. So let's talk. Let's talk, you guys really good. I'm looking at her, just go, I don't know there's something we could play sisters for sure. Um, I hope you take that as a compliment. I take it as such a compliments, going no, not really, Elizabeth, No, I'm looking and saying I just need the dewey skin magic that you have going on and then we can do it. Oh my love, please look at it. Thank you. UM. So I was doing a lot of different kind of charitable things just because I'd love to be of service in different ways for really well intentioned organizations, UM like Girl Scouts the United States or um Step Up Women's Network. There were a lot of great female driven in Girls Inc. There were a lot of organizations where there were great kind of opportunities to do red carpet kind of support for organizations, but nothing really like on the ground with the Girls. And I found myself really fulfilled by the idea of being of service in a deeper way for girls and beyond raising awareness for a charity that was already you know, off and running. And so I had done a movie with Jesse Eisenberg in New York called Roger Dodger that had had hit had One Tribeca and we then had to stay for some promotional stuff and his sister ran this acting studio there and I said to her, I know this sounds crazy, but I secretly created this two hour interactive workshop and I've got it on paper, I just haven't brought it to life. It's like a writer, you know, writing a script, and they just want to hear at the table read or hear it out loud. I said, would you let me offer this to your girls and just see see if it works. If it doesn't, I'll never do it again. And then she said, yeah, come do it one day. And so it was twenty girls and it was There was a real structure to it, and then there was kind of some improvisation in the middle too, of just kind of seeing letting, letting the girls take it to some new magical place. But it was very contained so that they felt safe and it was girl talk and not me at a podium telling them how to run their lives, but really providing a safe space for girls to feel heard, no, they're not alone, and to feel connected to each other and learn from each other. That was what I wanted to create, and so that single workshop I kind of tweaked a little based on their feedback of what worked, what didn't and why, and then we kind of built it from there, and all of a sudden it had a life of its own. Like school administrators who I had offered it to, we're telling other administrators, and suddenly I was finding myself on a plane to Murray, Kentucky with my carry on, rolling with the journals and pens to different middle schools and high schools and on their football field, in their libraries, in their auditoriums una the program and they could then continue it. Um. It was often it was like a one off and then their guidance counselors were there to then help facilitate anything beyond that. And until I had the book which came out and girls participated in the book, shared their most asked questions, wisdom, advice, and we had experts at that point. Um, that is when schools started to use it kind of like as a handbook for girls, and and that was pretty powerful because then it could be something that was more more consistent for them. But yeah, I would just I've worked with hundreds of thousands of girls now in all these years, sitting with them cross legged, like I said, in all these different places, football fields and you name it, and it's it's been really profound. Um. During the pandemic, it was almost impossible we did do zooms and for some of the schools that I had done it for previously, But I do miss just that in person. You know, it's different getting there, getting getting in the trenches, rolling your sleeves up and giving. Like you said, providing a safe space like that is something that in our generation we had. Luckily, we had parents that kept us safe and we could like I had that kind of relationship with my family as well. But remember that not as a as not in a collective that was scary, that felt peer pressure was such a big thing. We there were just there was just nothing of the kind. And I think to provide a space for girls it's just kids period, les boys, but there is um, you know, for girls to support other girls and to hear somebody else going through something that you can identify with and then suddenly you don't feel so alone. I mean, that's what it's about. It's just sharing it, you know, just getting it off of your chest. And that's what you've done is incredible and I wish I mean, I hope you're continuing. I hope that it's because it is very very special. Thank you so much. I think, well, it's funny because now as a mom started this well before I became a mom to a boy, So of course he wants he wants me to create you know, ask Elizabeth for boys, which um I just may well do. We'll see, we'll see what. Well, maybe he can help with the curriculum, right, he can help with us. Have Greg represented as ask Greg? I like, I like your ideas, saying I love that you think, wouldn't Gregg, you'd be good at that? I'm sorry. We yeah, we can't even keep you much longer, but yeah we have you know you're Liz's husband is a great friend of mine. Your your your your husband's cousin is one of my best friends. Elizabeth. We have Greg's artwork all over and oh yeah, yes, I have a lot of Greg's artwork from do you remember Janna, my old roommate, My best friend, Janna and Greg collaborated when Janna was designing, and she would use some of his artwork to show houses. And I remember I would come look at these houses she was designing. I would like. I love that she's like it's Gregg's brilliant Greg's art still from like from like the late nineties. Yeah, no, that's incredible. Now you guys have to wear GLA's clothing designer, like a very very incredible high end clothing designer. We'll send him my regards because I honestly yes I will. And David, I love that you're calling me Liz because most people, no one really calls me Liz except for you, my brother. No. I love it. You always have, and I don't want you to change it, okay, So I yes, it always called you Liz. It's so sweet, and I don't don't ever change it, okay, because it would be weird if you suddenly were like Elizabeth, Um right, right? Ask Liz is not as serious as Ask Elizabeth. But I just want to say I love that you took you know, when you take um struggles in your own life and turned it into a positive and can help people with it, I mean, there's nothing greater in life. I agree with you, and I think for anyone listening that has maybe not been sure how to take something that they have gone deep in learned about themselves. There's no one that's better or more uniquely qualified to help than someone who has has walked through the fire on something, So you know, it's also you know, we ended up doing a reboot of Saved by the Bell these last two years, and in producing it and pasting new kids, it for me in that role as a producer. I mean, I wanted to respect that these kids were going to have their own journey, but I also was fiercely protective of creating a set that allowed them. Obviously it's a comedy and a sweet show and all of that, but I wanted to make sure that their voices were heard and created a culture around that. So too, I guess you know, it's it's fear. It's important to me to make sure that that space is there for those kind of coming up. Yeah, you've been able to to to pay it forward in that way, and that's just so so beautiful. You have such an incredible soul and you are just a light. You really are. This is the time is blown by and wet. Guys. I feel sorry, No, we could talk with seriously, we could talk for hours. We love you and you you guys so much work and your longevity and your family and everything that you have in your life. Such blessings and we're just so happy for you. Thank you right back at both of you. Yes, I've loved and known you guys a long time and have nothing but respect for your own journeys. And it's so much fun to get to do this. So if you ever want to part two, I'm in yes, yes, or when Christine's out, let's do like in person. Uh oh, absolutely, yes, let's all have let's all sit down and love it. I would love each other and give each other a squeeze in person. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. I'm loving this. Thank you amazing. Wow. She has so much depth. I said it at the end, just her her. She's a good soul. She's somebody who has really you know. I mean, I had no idea. I remember the critical, you know, backlash on that movie at the time because it was such a big movie, But I had no idea her the personal struggle and how alienating that must have been for her. The filmmakers and the producers always left her as the face of the thing. Never heard anything like that of agents dropping. And again, we're in a very different time. That would never happen today. Oh this was yeah, this was way before me too, and yes, the whole, the whole element. But but like you said, you know how kind she was to you on the set, and that's why I've I've always known her as like the sweetest, kindest soul. So for the industry, you know, and entertainment business is rough, Yeah, it's rough, and everyone could turn their back on you in one minute, yes for something that's not your fault. But she looks she worked her way back and you know, has done amazing work since then and has helped others and she's awesome, really really great interview. And yeah, we will have to do part two or Saved by the Belt reunion or something, but we have to get her back because she was delightful, amazing and it was lovely to see you. You two have a great rest of your week and I can't wait to see you next week. Yes, we'll save who our guest is as Yes, that's our new thing. We're saving it. We're saving it. We're on one name basis, and David Lasher is on a nickname basis. With Elizabeth Berkeley, we learned that she only has one another person in her life. She said, I believe her brother who calls her Liz. So you are really on the end. Do you think she was actually insulted or she was just no. I think she said, like I think when people give someone a nickname that they love and that is a term of endearment, which so I think she really liked it. She said, don't change it. It would feel weird you as Liz. I don't know, change it. Twenty years later, David, that's true. We go far. We go far enough back that I can call you, but I don't feel bad about it, all right, Christy, great episode. Thank you everyone for joining us, Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening. Make sure to subscribe. I even give us five stars, and please follow us on Instagram at Hey dude the nineties called see you next time.