The Newlyweds are hanging out with soon to be newlyweds Joe Amabile and Serena Pitt! They’re in the depths of wedding planning and they need some help…
Joe spills everything about how he snuck into an A-list party at a movie premiere.
And, find out if Dean and Caelynn will tie the knot early, with Elvis in attendance!
Help We Suck At Being Newlyweds with Dean Aungler, Kaylen Miller Keys and Jared haven An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey, welcome to an older episode of Help We Suck At Being Newlyweds. Dean is still in parts unknown. Yeah, hopefully he's still alive. Caylin is here, of course always, of course he is. He's fine, he's golfing. We have a couple of very special guests that are on the podcast this week. You of course know them from Bachelor franchise. There's really no introduction, but I do want to say they are the I don't want to say new hosts, because you guys have been podcast host for quite some time, but the host of Bachelor Happy Hour, which of course you guys know is the Bachelor recap podcast. It is Serena and Joe. Serena. Did you change your last name yet?
No, I have not.
I'm still Serena. Pet not a moveley yet. I think after the wedding we'll do it so like this fall. But it's just truly, it's not that I don't want to be in a model lead. The process of changing your name just sounds like such a mission, like you have to get new passport, new driver's license, knew everything with your last name on it, and it's just a daunting task.
I'm sure you feel the same, Kalin.
Yeah.
I well, we we want to get married on the strip first and then we can change your last names. So once we get married, well what yeah.
Well we need to get married.
You guys are getting married on the Vegas.
Strip at some amazing always Chopel.
Yeah, that's what he wants. He wants to dress up as all this. But before we have to get married to change your last names. Otherwise you have to do like an even more crazy process. So but then you have to make sure you're not traveling internationally and you have your passport in time.
So it is it's a long process.
Ye, that's even more than I thought it was.
As has to change her last name, it was more of like a business decision than anything, because if she changes her last name, she's no longer Ashley. Ay, she's actually aged.
I was like, I think I'll still just leave all my social media as pets. But it's more like the urgency will more be like if slash when we have children, because I would like us to all have the same last name.
That's like majorly the motivation.
Yeah, definitely, it's.
Not pushing it because I know it's such a it's such a pain in the ass, like I hate, I hate having to do things. So yeah, like I'm not pushing her to do it, and I think it's also we could probably stay on this topic for two hours. But it's also kind of a pain in the ass too for Serena because she's going through the green card process, so she can't like in the in the midst of that, like she can't really change anything.
So yeah, that is true.
Also, how is that going? Are you? How's how's that process going?
So we got married in the fall, and once you're married, you can apply for a green card. So I applied, I think it was December or January of.
This past year.
And it's basically just a waiting game. So I won't get too into detail of this because obviously I know way more about immigration than I ever thought I would.
But there's two routes you can go.
One of them you can't leave the US while you're waiting on your application to be approved, and one of them you can, but the one where you can takes a lot longer. I did that one because I didn't want to not be able to come home and see family and friends and be able to get somewhere if I needed to be there.
So the application is in. It's just it's just waiting. It could take probably another year before I hear anything. Hopefully sooner. But like realistically they said about sixteen months.
Does that impact you at all? Like is there anything that's is it prohibiting you from doing anything until you actually get all right? So, yeah, there's no.
If I did the faster one, I wouldn't be able to leave the US, like I could not be in Canada. I would have to stay in the US. And because I didn't want that barrier. Yeah, we're just we're just waiting. No, nothing's changed in our world. Hopefully it comes in soon though, and that'll be pretty cool.
Jared, who's your favorite superhero?
Are you my god?
Im?
Assuming Jared, you're not in your bedroom, I'm assuming this is your child's bedroom.
Well, first of all, I would be a happy man if this is my bedroom. Okay, I'll tell you that much.
So I thought I honestly, I thought it was like your office. I was like that that makes sense to be shared's off.
I mean I wish I still where's like, because I've obviously surrounded you know, what's something cool? So this is a Steve Erkele doll that Ashley found at like a rift store that it is so cool big too. So obviously a lot of Superman, a lot of Spider Man. We have some teenage mutant in the Turtles. I got him a Batman doll. You know, Robert Pattinson. I'm not super happy about that. I mean, I like Pattinson, but this is Dawson's room. So I was at Audrey's and then I was with the customer and then had to book it home, and then I booked a home. Ashley's on the podcast with YouTube Jackasses, and then so I was like, you guys have them. Actually you have the mic. I can't do the mic. And then she's like, well I need the mic. I'm finishing up. So then they were like, just use computer audio. I was like, all right. So then the bedroom downstairs because we still have Dawson's cribbon there, and Dawson just got put down for a nap, so he's got the bedroom downstairs, Ashley has the room upstairs, and then the rest is just family room, which like loud, obvious noises, and I was like, all right, I guess I'm going to Dawson's room right now surrounded by Superman, which is not a bad thing to be. Yeah, it's kind of pathetic.
I think I think Pattinson's the best Batman so far we've ever had. Do you really, Joe, No, I just want to no.
No.
I like Pattinson.
I really like Pattinson.
I think I think he.
Was a great Batman. Though he was a great Batman, I have no I'm excited about the future of Pattinson. I like Pattinson, but of course, like the inner child of me wants him to get a Michael Keaton Batman doll because that's what I had as a kid. But the fact is, Joe, You're not gonna like me for this, but I don't care. I stand by my my conviction. The best on screen Batman that I've ever seen, that I've enjoyed the most would be none other than and Affleck as Batman. Because I love I just love how I don't we don't talk about this, but like how big and brooding he is, Like I love a big Batman that walks into the room and you're like, that guy would snap my neck like a twig.
Mine's actually my favorite. You're gonna just you see George Clooney.
I'm going to reach through this zoom.
Joe's obsessed with George Clooney.
Mind.
Yeah, I probably say Joe because I like a more a more suave batman, some of with a little you know, you know, Christian Bale and Robert Pattinson are just so like emo, like they're just like, you know where you got George Clooney, It's like, ah, you know, he's Batman, but he's also drinking a martini.
Joe likes the leading man that like he wants to embody in his day to day life. So he wants someone with like a little charisma and a little swag.
Yeah, So do you let me ask you this joke very highly of myself. Do you think that Tom Cruise has a swag? Because you have to tell the story. I told my Tom Cruise story on the last podcast. And so Joe was at the Mission Impossible premiere. He was in the talent, you know, the social media talent upstairs, and Ashley and I were doing the press downstairs. And I still haven't talked to you about it. So what happened.
I was up there and I was gonna say hi to Tom Cruise, and I just I hesitated. Serena wasn't with me, so I was with my friend Jeff, and he didn't really push the issue. So because I hesitated, I got in my head and then like the moment to go say hi to him was there, and then like I was a little nervous, my hands got a little clammy. I didn't want to shake his hand with a clammy hand, so I backed out. I I got it.
Oh dude, I felt so bad because obviously I knew we were going to talk to him again, and we got to meet there the day before. And then when you texted me and we were like, dude, I didn't say I didn't I didn't pull the trigger. I didn't say Hi. I was like, oh no.
And for the listeners, what I recently learned about this story is that Tom did Hi to everyone there, Like this wasn't like Joe was like going to go up and like cut him off and inshrupt him and like steal a moment. Like he was saying hi to everyone. So he was everyone with Joe apparently, But I.
Did I did sneak into the better party out of the two, like there was like yeah, yeah, that was actually really cool. It was like the cocktail party for like the the real celebrities and the actors and actresses in the movie.
How you sneak in?
So we weren't supposed to leave, but I'm like, I'm leaving because I'm hungry and I'm here for four hours, So I left to go get footed. When I came back, someone thank god, in the line noticed me and said my name. So then the girl working securities, like Joe come with me, and she just brought me up to that room and then we're looking. I'm like, I got a green wristband. Everyone's got gold wristbands. And Ralph Macchio just walked past me and uh Dan yeah, Tony dan at Yeah. I was like I shouldn't be at this party, but no, but he said anything. So I just hung out there for like an hour.
Just like keep your hand in your pocket and no one ever sees a risp.
Yeah you're like, oh, I lost my wristband.
I was due what they say that happened to us? Ashley and I went to the Batman v. Superman with the best on screen Batman, Ben Affleck and Jesus seven years ago. Now, god, we're so old. But we were in the theater and we didn't get invited to an after party, like we got lucky to get invited to the premiere, and so Ashley was like, we got to get to the after party. How do we get into the after party? And I was like I don't know. So we walk outside and then Ashley, some people noticed us. And when this was when we were on Paradise, so everybody wanted Like, all of a sudden, we had a line of like six or seven people coming up and taking pictures right outside the theater when the movie ended. And so then all of a sudden, like people started coming up and only taking pictures with Ashley. I was like, oh, that's weird. Usually it's both of us, but whatever, And then like this six year old girl came up like wide eyed and was like, can I please take a picture with you? I was like, what the hell's going on? Okay, like what, no kid knows who this person is. And then I found out some guy came up to me, He's like, you know what's happening. I was like, these people think that that is wonder woman. I was like, holy, I think you're right. I think that they think That'skalakanda because somebody took pictures of them and they were like, oh, it must be her. She just looks a little different in person. And so the guy was like, who are you guys? Like why were people taking picture with you in the beginning? And I was like, oh, we're from Bachelor blah blah blah, and he's like oh cool, like and then we ended up talking with him for a while and he's like, you guys going to the after party and we were like oh, we're like, uh, I don't think we got an official invite. And he's like, if you're gonna come with me, like you can get in. We're like one hundred percent, we'll go with you wherever you is. We found out that he was Ben Affleck's lawyer, and we're like okay, cool. So we get in the car and he also represented James Cameron. I was like, this guy's a bad ass.
Yeah, this guy, this guy's a big shot, big shot.
So we're in the taxi with him and he only has one pass. He's like, so what we'll do is we'll just walk up together and you know, hopefully they just let you in. I was like, okay, great because it was like a twenty minute uber ride. So we uber to the place and it's this big gothic castle looks like Gotham City obviously, and there is just a line to either end of the block, all fans waiting for Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill, stars.
Of the movie.
And then so it's a little chaotic when we're walking up and then the guy who's the lawyer just like shows the security guard the past and he's like, yep, you guys are good, and we all walked in. We were like, oh, that's pretty cool. So we got into the official afterparty for Batman v. Superman. I met Jesse Eisenberg and we didn't get to meet Ben. He was like there was just a ton of people around him, and like.
Secure, Jesse, Jesse Eisenberg, I see at my gym. He works out at my gym. You ever say hi, No, No.
He's definitely giving off the like I'm not making anyone here, please don't talk to me.
I also just feel like you shouldn't approach people the.
Gym, but definitely anywhere you should just not approach someone it's while they're working out. But I'm shocked that there's still like fan lines outside of events like that, with like social media culture and like how accessible like the lives of celebrities have become. Like I'm just sure you're like, I'm gonna go line up outside of this event to like get a glimpse of Tom Cruise or bent Off like or whoever it is.
I think it's just to see them in person or just.
To make a TikTok or something.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
I'm sure Joe can attest to this, just seeing Tom Cruise in person as well. Like when when someone like Tom Cruise walks in the room, You're like, oh my god, that's that's Tom Cruise, Like that is insane that he is in the second true, well he is, like yeah.
He is like the the movie star, Like he's the movie star.
Like yeah, it's he is no movies, dude, It's like president walking into the room. That's how I was explaining it to people. I'm like, it just like gets quiet and he walks in.
Yeah, and I and I think a lot of people also like want that picture and they want that picture for their social media thousand percent.
So I do want to talk to you guys about your wedding.
It's coming up.
You guys are probably like at the sixty ish daymark, seventies something like that, how's it going? How are the nerves? Because you guys already married, so I guess there's no nerves.
Yeah.
I feel like being already married helps.
Like it's not like, oh my god, we're gonna get married in X amount of days. It's more just like are the flowers finalized?
Like are the your drors finalized?
Like all the more logistical stuff to make sure, like the party is fun and set, and we just want to do as much as we can to be sure that, like we're just relaxed and having as much fun as we can when the actual weekend comes, but it's creeping up. I actually I can't believe that it's it's only a few weeks away.
I know you got to do.
We cannot, for the life us pick a first dance song that's like one of the big things hang over our heads.
But I can send you my list if you want. That would be great.
Yeah, if you want to send me a playlist, that would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know.
Joe keeps changing his mind.
He sent me a first dance song and I I fell in love with it, and then he was like no, and now he's picked like six since that one.
Wait, that's so funny.
So I created a list of twenty and then I was like, I'm gonna we're gonna have dinner. I'm gonna play them all. It's gonna be like cute and romantic. And I played the first one in Dean's like, don't don't send me another one. We're just we're doing this one. Yeah, And I was like, oh, I really spent time on this list so I can send it to you.
Do you think it would have been no matter what the first one that played was was gonna be when he picked Yeah.
I made that mistake with our wedding invites.
I showed him my least favorite first and he's like perfect.
And I was like, shots, no, that's not the one I wanted.
But now you know, you just always show him your favorite option first and you guys will agree, right.
It's yeah, he's a simple man.
Joe still has to figure out what he's wearing. I don't think he has one outfit.
Okay, same with Dean.
Yeah, I don't have any.
Like tux fittings or anything nothing like that.
No, I can't imagine you wearing anything else that a black tux.
I am going to do a Black Talks. But am I gonna the Black Talks or am I going to buy a Black Talks. If I buy a black tux, will I ever wear the thing again?
Listen to me right now? Reach out to a company and they will give you a black tux.
Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. I reached out the Black Talks that it was on, and I've worked with them in the past.
Oh well, that's that's weird. I mean, yeah, you should reach Well, they definitely don't listen to this podcast, but if you should reach out again.
If anyone ever Black Texas listening, please respond to Joe.
He needs an outfit for our wedding that is coming very soon.
We're also doing We're also doing a welcome party, so I need an outfit for the welcome party.
What you should do? And Joe, you know this, So I'm telling you something you already know. Just post on instant story. Hey, I need a tux for the wedding and I need an outfit for the welcome party, any suggestions, and then I'd be shocked if there wasn't some companies reaching in the Dan's and you get nice little free tucks for a little tag.
You know, I've never really, I've never done that.
I believe that Joe doesn't.
Like reaching out to brands, like I'll type up his message for him to like send whenever he.
Dies, I Warren. They also did.
Somewhere a little more on our level.
I'm the same way. I never did it before I started dating Ashley and she has you know, it's she's I and Joe. You can attest this because I'm sorry, sure, and it's the same way. And Calen, I'm sure you're the same way with Dean. It's just like you. It's you. Just you guys are smart and you know what you're doing. And then you're not afraid to ask for things. And why am I afraid to ask for things?
I don't get it, I know, because.
I'm just like worst case. They say like no, we're not looking to collaborate, or like we're not interested.
I'm like, okay, do we do? Like no, no skin off my back.
Where are you guys going on on your honeymoon? You guys going to the equator here.
Yeah, I was just gonna ask you guys that. But we are trying to make South Africa work. It's just so long to get there. So hopefully we can make that work and do like two weeks out there and a lot of safaris. But I don't know, it's like it's romantic, but you're also waking up at like five am for sunrise safaris.
So we'll see.
But what are you guys thinking relaxing?
Yeah, not like the Maldives or you know, where are you guys going.
You know what's so funny is, last time I was on this podcast, Jared, you weren't here. Dean was here, and I think I told you guys we were going to like Mexico or something I said. I said way too much on this podcast. Last time I was here, I probably gave you guys my freaking wedding day location. But we are not anymore. We are going to Italy, but we popped around to a bunch of different places before we land on Italy. And I'm still not convinced that Joe's going to cancel the whole thing and like rebook us somewhere else. He's our relationship travel agent. He's totally taken charge of the honeymoon.
So I initially had a flight to Rome, but a whole time in Bali, and I was like, Okay, this isn't.
Yeh. If two plus two equals three, then you're doing something right. But I don't think those two equate.
Yeah, like this isn't gonna work. We got to pick one or the other.
Yeah, the things that it's.
The same thing, like Bali is the same kind of the same thing Kaelin as like South Africa. It takes a long time to get there, so I didn't want to and I don't want to go somewhere and then like like all of a sudden, I get food poisoning for four days and my nine day trip is now five days, and I'm pissed off. So we we did Italy and I'm angry.
We got a little overwhelmed with like the distance of Bali was a little intimidating.
We also have been traveling a ridiculous amount these last two months, these upcoming two three months are going to be the same, so like jumping on a super long flight just sounded very intimidating. And then yeah, Bali, Bali kind of freaks me out. I have like bad stress about food poisoning of any kind. Like I'm the person that's like triple checking the expiration date in my fridge. So like we felt like post in Italy and was it was also standing very romantic, and we love Italian food. Joe's Italian. We've never been there together, so Joe's Italian.
I would have never guessed.
What part of Italy we are gonna do, so like this is, it's all booked, but I have to make an adjustment somewhere we're gonna do it. We're doing Lake Como, Florence and then Rome. But when I thought of when I booked Florence, I was thinking like Tuscanye countryside, But realistically we're doing a lake, a city, and then another city, and I need to mix in a beach. So now I need to probably rearrange it and get us to go to the Mafi Coast at the end. But then we're gonna have to then I gotta hopefully get a flight out of Naples and find a hotel room. And because our honeymoon's in September, every whole time room seems to be five thousand dollars a night. They also don't respond to d ms, so I'm in I'm in the process of trying to add on. But right now it's como Florence and Rome.
Well he really is the travel agent.
Where did you guys go?
We went to Positano and then we went to the Malfy Coast and then we went to Greece. Yeah, yeah, it was yeah. I mean, I can't recommend it enough. I'm not gonna lie guys like, yeah, so beautiful. It was pretty awesome.
Because I think we've both been I think, yeah.
Yeah, of course, how dare I?
Well, they say when we were there, they say my last name with such elegance like that, like mimabili, your table's ready, and just the way they say it over in the United States it's Amabile amabele, like no one says it right.
Yeah, hey got but goo uh uh well that's exciting. Uh yeah. We went to we went to Italy, went to Greece and Positano was awesome. Malfi Coast is beautiful, very romantic. It is so romantic.
Aren't they the same thing, Jared? Isn't the a Mafi Coast? Yeah?
I think Positano's on the Amalfi coast, right.
Yeah, I think it's like a Malfi one is less touristy than the other. I'm pretty sure.
Sorrentals Sorrento's Taurus OneD. I think if Jared is.
Yeah, I know you're right, You're right.
Yeah, yeah, sorry, whoop? Stay where am I? Yeah? Uh? Italy cool? This pasta you know, but.
Dean and I did that, Denon and I drove.
We started in like Como and then drove all the way down south to the Amalfi. And I think that's the best way to do it. And maybe had Tuscany into your list.
Yeah, yeah, I think if we do do Florence, it's like a day trip into test Like you can just get a little car like a train.
It's so close.
So I think if we do the three days in Florence, we'll do like one day trip at least in Tuscany because I've never been there and it looks so pretty.
Oh yeah, it's amazing.
We only have five more minutes because you guys have a pretty long press day. So just a couple of questions. Obviously I want to talk about Bachelor Happy Hour, but before we do that, I do want to ask, do you guys ever forget that you're married? Because I was talking about you. I can't remember why, probably about the three thousand jars from Sundays with Show that I have at Audrey's but almost sold out. We're selling a baby. But I was like, oh, his you know, yeah, his fiance Serena. And then I'm like, oh my god, that's right, they're married. Do you because you guys haven't had a wedding, edge you ever forget that? You're like, holy yeah, you're my wife.
You're not the first person that has said this to us, Like we have had people before like I always.
Forget that you guys are married, and I'm always like, yeah, I forget too.
But now it's been like seven eight months, and I feel like we're starting Yeah, it's been a minute.
It's like creeping up on a year.
Like so we're forgetting less, which is good, and we're getting a little more comfortable with like the husband wife titles.
I make a lot of divorce jokes and yeah, so that makes it hard to forget.
Yeah, that's good. Seven months in the divorce jokes really hitting hard.
Oh the divorce jokes were made hours within our marriage.
I try to make divorced jokes actually doesn't like them. She doesn't find them funny at all. So I'm like, nevermind, fine, sarcasms out the window, obviously, but I do want to talk about uh, happy excuse me, happy hour. Yeah, Bachelor happy arms. So I used to saying clickbait because Joe, You're on it for so long. So you guys are now the host of happy hour, Bachelor Happy Hour. Hows it feels to work with each other? Now now you guys got to live with each other, work with each other. You're worried about that, Yeah.
But I've said that, like, it's not We're not working eight hours a day, five days a week with each other. We're working two hours a week with each other. And like, if we can't figure that out, then I think we have I think we may have bigger issues.
Yeah, And I think it would be hard if like we had never podcasted together before and then we jumped into it and we were like, oh, shoot, we have really different styles and like maybe we don't like mesh as co hosts as well as we mesh as like husband and wife. But we had posted a few podcasts together before. Whether I was just like filling in or whatnot, and it had gone well and we liked doing it together. So I feel like going into this, we were like pretty confident that there was not going to be any like issues or tensions and like, yeah, we like doing it together, so that helps that it's fun.
And Serena's like she asks pointed questions and she's very articulate and intelligent, which is so helpful for me because I'm just kind of like throw out random and half the stuff I'm saying no and even doesn't even make.
Sense, so no, that's not true.
It really it really drives home the professionality of us as a team.
That's how I feel that Serena would being the professionality. She would if I'm saying that properly, which obviously I have no professionality if I'm saying it incorrectly, she would ask the questions like do the job, and then Joe would just be the comic relief. So, Saren, I want to ask you, what's Joe like when he watches Bachelor? Do you guys watch together? Because I would imagine Joe just been like this jackass, like this guy like get out of here, Like do you know how good you have?
It.
This guy's an idiot.
Actually, I'm actually curious. I'm curious about your answer because I don't watch myself watching The Bachelor, So how do I come off?
Well, I would say, yeah, we usually watch it together.
Now that we're podcasting, we'll like have our notepads out and like make a couple of notes. I feel like we don't talk as much during it as we used to because we're kind of trying to save what we want to say to talk about on the podcast, which is kind of fun, but I don't know, there's a lot of like, oh my.
God, what is he doing? Why is he saying that?
But like I don't know, you're not like overly expressive while you're watching it, Like you're usually like pretty in the zone, and then like all the big comments come out later on when we like debrief it it. Yeah, what am I like watching the Bachelorette?
That's how I am when I watch anything, though, Like I don't really I'm just kind of like I sit there, I watch, and then I decompress.
After Yeah, and then you have a lot to say afterwards.
I'm such an old man. I do the same thing. But in terms of like watching shows and always uh commenting, But I'll like watching Bachelor. I guess I'm just Jaden and we've seen so much now, Like I'll watch and somebody be like, you know, I'm falling alve with her, Like no, you're not, No, you're not. Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just saying things, that's all you're doing.
Nothing drives me crazier than when I watch contestants just say say things they think they should say. It's like, dude, you've been here for five days and granted, like I know that we got engaged after nineteen days.
Yeah, like I get it.
Yeah, but it's like like I know when someone's just saying it, and like there's so many people that just say it, and it drives me crazy.
That is the pet peeve for sure.
Well that's good. Well that's awesome. I'm so excited for you both. Congratulations on both being Bachelor Happy. Our new podcast host, Uh, you're obviously a wonderful couple, wonderful human beings. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on our podcast. We really appreciate it.
Yes, thank you guys. Thanks for waiting for your wedding. It's coming. Up so soon.
Yeah, you too.
And honestly, Kaylin, you never know, you may you may see us in South Africa with you because we honeymoon, you know, are constantly changing.
It was good to see you guys.
Thank you today, guys, Bye bye bye bye.
Well.
Joe and Serena just a beautiful couple. They really are such a good looking couple.
Yes, very good looking.
It's maddening. I look at myself in the zoom because obviously I compare to other people because I'm insecure, and I look at Joe and I'm like, we're both on Bachelor, like we should, you know, Chicago guy, and I'm like, he's just so much better looking. It's so infuriating. And his lighting was so good.
I'm like, I look, his lighting was great.
He looked tan, white teeth. Serena always has great lighting to her skin, looked amazing.
Rina has natural good lightning, you know what I mean. Like wherever she goes, it feels like good lighting.
Is just glowing.
Yeah, always glowing. Well that was a great podcast. Yeah, I mean so that make sure you guys tune in. Last week. Uh we had it was just me and you, Kaitlin. No deed is deemed to be back next week.
Yes, good, hopefully.
I don't know.
Who knows what that man? Well, I guess we'll find out.
And the listeners will find out next week where maybe we suck just a little bit less.
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