School of Humans.

School of Humans.

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Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold case murders in an effort to raise public awareness invite witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights from family and community members, their statements should not be considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts inherent in cold cases. We remind listeners that everyone has presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing in the podcast is intended to state or imply that anyone who has not been convicted of a crime is guilty of any wrongdoing. Thanks for listening.

After Kevin Abel died and his death was ruled a suicide, Stacy Reeves was scared. Kevin's friend Jordan, said that Stacy told her that Kevin was in serious trouble, that he owed a lot of drug money to people, and that she was planning on talking to police officers about what she knew. One of the officers she spoke with was Jerome the Straps. She also told us she wasn't convinced that Kevin's death was a suicide.

After Kevin Abel died and his death was ruled a suicide, Stacy Reeves was scared. Kevin's friend Jordan, said that Stacy told her that Kevin was in serious trouble, that he owed a lot of drug money to people, and that she was planning on talking to police officers about what she knew. One of the officers she spoke with was Jerome the Straps. She also told us she wasn't convinced that Kevin's death was a suicide.

Think of the funniest person you know and that was Kevin, always smile and laugh and taking joking, that kind of person. Then all of a sudden they killed himself, which happened. The reason I don't think it happened to Kevin wasn't just because of personality. I believe because of what Stacey told me. She said that Kevin had gotten some trouble behind drug money, owed someone drug lay.

Think of the funniest person you know and that was Kevin, always smile and laugh and taking joking, that kind of person. Then all of a sudden they killed himself, which happened. The reason I don't think it happened to Kevin wasn't just because of personality. I believe because of what Stacey told me. She said that Kevin had gotten some trouble behind drug money, owed someone drug lay.

This immediately sent alarm bells off for Jordans, since she knew about Jerome, and Jordan said that she didn't trust him. Now there's no evidence that Jerome was straps did anything wrong, but police did later call him in for questioning about kk's corners, asking.

This immediately sent alarm bells off for Jordans, since she knew about Jerome, and Jordan said that she didn't trust him. Now there's no evidence that Jerome was straps did anything wrong, but police did later call him in for questioning about kk's corners, asking.

What he knew and when he knew.

What he knew and when he knew.

We're trying to understand these relationships because in Calcushy Perish they run deep.

We're trying to understand these relationships because in Calcushy Perish they run deep.

She says, hey, do you know what Jerome was strapped? And I looked at her and I said, yes, I do. Why And she said because I've been talking to him about Kevin's case. And I said, Stacy, you don't need to do that. He's dirty. She said, well, I know who killed him, and I said who and she said, Richard McKelvin had him killed. And I grabbed my head, and I said, did you tell Jerome with strapsus? Jerome with Straps is a narcotics officer, so anyway, I told her my exact words, Tours, you need to go buy a gun and you need to keep it on you at all times because this isn't going to end good. I said, Call Jerome. Tell him that you were just listening to what other people were saying and you were believing it because you were grieving. And just tell him that you know you didn't know any of it to be true. I said, Stacey, please promise me. And that was it. That was the last words I said.

She says, hey, do you know what Jerome was strapped? And I looked at her and I said, yes, I do. Why And she said because I've been talking to him about Kevin's case. And I said, Stacy, you don't need to do that. He's dirty. She said, well, I know who killed him, and I said who and she said, Richard McKelvin had him killed. And I grabbed my head, and I said, did you tell Jerome with strapsus? Jerome with Straps is a narcotics officer, so anyway, I told her my exact words, Tours, you need to go buy a gun and you need to keep it on you at all times because this isn't going to end good. I said, Call Jerome. Tell him that you were just listening to what other people were saying and you were believing it because you were grieving. And just tell him that you know you didn't know any of it to be true. I said, Stacey, please promise me. And that was it. That was the last words I said.

I'm Catherine Townsend.

I'm Catherine Townsend.

Over the past five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've learned that there is no such thing as a small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds of messages from people all around the country asking for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families.

Over the past five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've learned that there is no such thing as a small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds of messages from people all around the country asking for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families.

And their communities.

And their communities.

If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight seven four four, six one four or five. That's six seven, eight seven four four, six' one four or, five or you can send us a message On instagram At Helen. Gonpott this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line we've been covering The Kk's corner case for weeks And i've read every single article out there about the, case including a lot from the local, newspaper The American. Press i've seen THE id, special And i've Seen America's Most. Wanted in my, opinion there's a lot left out of these reports because after the initial rumors About Richard, mcalvin who was cleared by, police pretty much the only suspect ever mentioned in news reports is twenty nine year Old Tomas. Cisco we're finding out that even though it was late at night and the store was, closing there were more people coming Through Kyk's corner in the early morning hours Of july, sixth nineteen ninety seven than originally. Thought both before and after twenty one year Old Marty, lebuff twenty six year Old Stacy, reeves and.

If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight seven four four, six one four or five. That's six seven, eight seven four four, six' one four or, five or you can send us a message On instagram At Helen. Gonpott this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line we've been covering The Kk's corner case for weeks And i've read every single article out there about the, case including a lot from the local, newspaper The American. Press i've seen THE id, special And i've Seen America's Most. Wanted in my, opinion there's a lot left out of these reports because after the initial rumors About Richard, mcalvin who was cleared by, police pretty much the only suspect ever mentioned in news reports is twenty nine year Old Tomas. Cisco we're finding out that even though it was late at night and the store was, closing there were more people coming Through Kyk's corner in the early morning hours Of july, sixth nineteen ninety seven than originally. Thought both before and after twenty one year Old Marty, lebuff twenty six year Old Stacy, reeves and.

Fourteen year Old Nicole guildry were brutally.

Fourteen year Old Nicole guildry were brutally.

Murdered police had no clear suspects until after the episode Of America's Most wanted, aired and they became laser focused On Thomas. Cisco from what we, know they never found the other, man the one in the composite. Drawings Tomas cisco was convicted of all three, murders but following an, appeal which he, won he got a new. Trial after a, deal he pleaded guilty to three counts of manslaughter and was sentenced to ninety years in. Prison he's up for parole this. Year because the second killer was never, caught most of the case file is still. Unavailable we did get some responses to our foyer. Requests we don't have the entire court transcripts because we were told that the would cost around thirteen hundred, dollars but we do have a few, elements including the closing arguments from both sides and through civil depositions that were given to us by family. Members we've been trying to piece together the police. Investigation it turns out there were several suspects who were questioned by. Police what happened to them and could one of them have been the second? Killer and what happened to the physical evidence the hares found on the bodies and the cigarette that was found in the. Cooler as we said last, week one of the things that it seemed like everyone agreed on was the fact That kk's corner seemed like an inside. Job there were a lot of other people who were interviewed by. Police one of the things that police did logically was asked the store's, Owner Kenny, klain about any disgruntled employees or anyone with a reason to be angry at him or the. Store one was a former employee Named Nathaniel. Gobert according to court, docu he was caught stealing money from the store a few weeks. Earlier he told police when they questioned, him he admitted to stealing three hundred and fifty eight dollars from the. Store buddy said That kenny had given him two weeks to pay the money.

Murdered police had no clear suspects until after the episode Of America's Most wanted, aired and they became laser focused On Thomas. Cisco from what we, know they never found the other, man the one in the composite. Drawings Tomas cisco was convicted of all three, murders but following an, appeal which he, won he got a new. Trial after a, deal he pleaded guilty to three counts of manslaughter and was sentenced to ninety years in. Prison he's up for parole this. Year because the second killer was never, caught most of the case file is still. Unavailable we did get some responses to our foyer. Requests we don't have the entire court transcripts because we were told that the would cost around thirteen hundred, dollars but we do have a few, elements including the closing arguments from both sides and through civil depositions that were given to us by family. Members we've been trying to piece together the police. Investigation it turns out there were several suspects who were questioned by. Police what happened to them and could one of them have been the second? Killer and what happened to the physical evidence the hares found on the bodies and the cigarette that was found in the. Cooler as we said last, week one of the things that it seemed like everyone agreed on was the fact That kk's corner seemed like an inside. Job there were a lot of other people who were interviewed by. Police one of the things that police did logically was asked the store's, Owner Kenny, klain about any disgruntled employees or anyone with a reason to be angry at him or the. Store one was a former employee Named Nathaniel. Gobert according to court, docu he was caught stealing money from the store a few weeks. Earlier he told police when they questioned, him he admitted to stealing three hundred and fifty eight dollars from the. Store buddy said That kenny had given him two weeks to pay the money.

Back he, did And kenny dropped the.

Back he, did And kenny dropped the.

Charges nathaniel told police that he was banned from the store and had not been back in since his. Firing police Asked nathaniel where he was on the night of the. Killings he said that he was with friends eating pizza on the evening Of july. Fifth police apparently verified his alibi And nathaniel passed a polygraph. Test Huey, lyttleton the insurance investigator who had done his own investigations in The ellender murders also called people to interview them About Kk's corner And Hughey lyttleton presented evidence to police, later including a videotaped interview with a friend Of nathaniel's who claimed That nathaniel had talked about committing the murders for money and said that he didn't Like. Stacy according to court, documents the VC f did talk to these. Friends nathaniel had an, alibi and apparently police decided that was the end of.

Charges nathaniel told police that he was banned from the store and had not been back in since his. Firing police Asked nathaniel where he was on the night of the. Killings he said that he was with friends eating pizza on the evening Of july. Fifth police apparently verified his alibi And nathaniel passed a polygraph. Test Huey, lyttleton the insurance investigator who had done his own investigations in The ellender murders also called people to interview them About Kk's corner And Hughey lyttleton presented evidence to police, later including a videotaped interview with a friend Of nathaniel's who claimed That nathaniel had talked about committing the murders for money and said that he didn't Like. Stacy according to court, documents the VC f did talk to these. Friends nathaniel had an, alibi and apparently police decided that was the end of.

That it seemed to be another strange dead.

That it seemed to be another strange dead.

End Evelyn ubray mentioned in her closing arguments that law enforcement believed that the killer was someone with intimate knowledge of the store for several. Reasons one the fact that the killer had cut the phone. Lines, also the killer appeared to Know stacey And marty and apparently knew what time the store. Closed they knew about the video. Surveillance they knew that the money would be in the. Safe, also they were able to rob the store right before the alarm company would be alerted at one. Am the window when the murder happened is actually pretty. Small according to information that came out in, Court THE fbi stated that kk's corner was one of the most heavily trafficked convenience stores in that. Region there were people coming and going from the store all. Night one of the store, Managers Sherwood, carpenter told police he called the store at about eleven thirty. Pm he said he was chatting To stacy from then until around eleven forty. Three that's When stacy told him she needed to hang at the phone and finish mopping the. Floors, now during this, time witnesses did see people in the.

End Evelyn ubray mentioned in her closing arguments that law enforcement believed that the killer was someone with intimate knowledge of the store for several. Reasons one the fact that the killer had cut the phone. Lines, also the killer appeared to Know stacey And marty and apparently knew what time the store. Closed they knew about the video. Surveillance they knew that the money would be in the. Safe, also they were able to rob the store right before the alarm company would be alerted at one. Am the window when the murder happened is actually pretty. Small according to information that came out in, Court THE fbi stated that kk's corner was one of the most heavily trafficked convenience stores in that. Region there were people coming and going from the store all. Night one of the store, Managers Sherwood, carpenter told police he called the store at about eleven thirty. Pm he said he was chatting To stacy from then until around eleven forty. Three that's When stacy told him she needed to hang at the phone and finish mopping the. Floors, now during this, time witnesses did see people in the.

Store marty was working at the.

Store marty was working at the.

Counter then just a few minutes after, That Virginia johnson stopped by at around eleven forty FIVE pm to get. Gas Sherwood carpenter called again at twelve oh six, am but no one. Answered, now that was inside the, store but the parking lot outside the store also had its own group of, regulars even after the store closed at. Midnight remember That Virginia johnson and her boyfriend drove By kk's again at around twelve thirty. Am they saw the red truck with the passenger door open and the black car with the trunk open still parked at the same spot Where virginia had noticed them. Earlier by the side entrance of the. Store minutes after, that there was another guy who was a friend Of. Marty's he worked At Little Caesar's. Pizza he drove by at around twelve thirty five. Am he Noticed marty And stacy's cars there and thought that was a little bit, odd but figured maybe they were just closing up later. Something but this person told police he did not notice a red truck or a black. Car there were also some men who showed up every night for their paper. Route the local, newspaper The Late Charles American, press had a van that would arrive in the early morning hours to drop papers with the delivery. Men those men would wait in the kk's parking lot for that van and then hang out and usually fold their papers there before starting out on their. Route, now one of those paper delivery, Guys Jerry, peters told police that he was waiting to pick up his papers At kk's between one p fifteen and one thirty. Am he was parked across the street at The Fairview estates trailer, park and while he was, there he said that he saw an Unmarked Share department vehicle also pull into The Fairview estate's trailer. Park Then jerry said he saw a white male get out of a Green Eagle, talon A s forty car with a hatchback that was made By chrysler And. Mitsubishi jerry said that he saw the man go over to The Sheriff's department vehicle and then go back to his own car as the police car pulled in behind. Him the guy in the police car got out opened his. Trunk jerry said that he thought the other guy in The talon also opened his. Trunk he said they talked, briefly and Then jerry saw that the guy with The talon slammed his. Trunk In jerry's, words that man looked visibly. Upset then he got back in his car and drove, off almost backing into the police car in the. Process then both cars turned north On highway fourteen and. Disappeared the man in the Unmarked Sheriff's department vehicle has never been. Identified what was he doing? There could he have had something to do with the killings At kk's corner or could he have known what was going down that. Night in closing, Arguments Thomas cisco's, Lawyer evelyn New bray mentioned another potential Suspect Miles. Addison she pointed out That Miles addison knew the workings of the, store the surveillance, videos the, videotape That Miles addison Knew marty And, stacey and that he knew the store. Procedures at closing, Time evelyn U bray also Mentioned richard mcelvin and another suspect that the police had. Suggested at one point she noticed those men's similarities to the composite.

Counter then just a few minutes after, That Virginia johnson stopped by at around eleven forty FIVE pm to get. Gas Sherwood carpenter called again at twelve oh six, am but no one. Answered, now that was inside the, store but the parking lot outside the store also had its own group of, regulars even after the store closed at. Midnight remember That Virginia johnson and her boyfriend drove By kk's again at around twelve thirty. Am they saw the red truck with the passenger door open and the black car with the trunk open still parked at the same spot Where virginia had noticed them. Earlier by the side entrance of the. Store minutes after, that there was another guy who was a friend Of. Marty's he worked At Little Caesar's. Pizza he drove by at around twelve thirty five. Am he Noticed marty And stacy's cars there and thought that was a little bit, odd but figured maybe they were just closing up later. Something but this person told police he did not notice a red truck or a black. Car there were also some men who showed up every night for their paper. Route the local, newspaper The Late Charles American, press had a van that would arrive in the early morning hours to drop papers with the delivery. Men those men would wait in the kk's parking lot for that van and then hang out and usually fold their papers there before starting out on their. Route, now one of those paper delivery, Guys Jerry, peters told police that he was waiting to pick up his papers At kk's between one p fifteen and one thirty. Am he was parked across the street at The Fairview estates trailer, park and while he was, there he said that he saw an Unmarked Share department vehicle also pull into The Fairview estate's trailer. Park Then jerry said he saw a white male get out of a Green Eagle, talon A s forty car with a hatchback that was made By chrysler And. Mitsubishi jerry said that he saw the man go over to The Sheriff's department vehicle and then go back to his own car as the police car pulled in behind. Him the guy in the police car got out opened his. Trunk jerry said that he thought the other guy in The talon also opened his. Trunk he said they talked, briefly and Then jerry saw that the guy with The talon slammed his. Trunk In jerry's, words that man looked visibly. Upset then he got back in his car and drove, off almost backing into the police car in the. Process then both cars turned north On highway fourteen and. Disappeared the man in the Unmarked Sheriff's department vehicle has never been. Identified what was he doing? There could he have had something to do with the killings At kk's corner or could he have known what was going down that. Night in closing, Arguments Thomas cisco's, Lawyer evelyn New bray mentioned another potential Suspect Miles. Addison she pointed out That Miles addison knew the workings of the, store the surveillance, videos the, videotape That Miles addison Knew marty And, stacey and that he knew the store. Procedures at closing, Time evelyn U bray also Mentioned richard mcelvin and another suspect that the police had. Suggested at one point she noticed those men's similarities to the composite.

Photo evelyn New bray.

Photo evelyn New bray.

Said that none of these potential suspects had any connection To Thomas, cisco THOUGH i will point out one possible connection is the fact that they all did Know Stacy. Reeves evelyn also highlighted problems With Thomas cisco's. Confessions she questioned Whether Thomas cisco was really giving information to the police that only the killer would have, known or just repeating information that he could have gotten from Watching America's Most. Wanted we know That Virginia johnson was driving her boyfriend's black pickup truck that. Night Thomas cisco told police he saw the witness pull up in a turquoise. Car now in her closing, Statement evelyn New bray pointed out that The America's Most wanted re enactment showed the perpetrator pulling up in a blue, car And Thomas cisco said in every version of his story that the witness was, white While Virginia johnson is black And Tomas cisco wasn't the only person whose memory and Testimony evelyn called. Out under, Hypnosis Virginia johnson talked about the second man she. Saw she said that that second man had a rabbit head. Keychain the rabbit head did not become a rabbit foot until. Later we've talked about this. Before evelya and New bray wondered in court whether it could have been a playboy bunny symbol those were everywhere in the, nineties or something. Else how did investigators get the change from rabbit's head to rabbit's. Foot, Also Virginia johnson mentioned seeing the.

Said that none of these potential suspects had any connection To Thomas, cisco THOUGH i will point out one possible connection is the fact that they all did Know Stacy. Reeves evelyn also highlighted problems With Thomas cisco's. Confessions she questioned Whether Thomas cisco was really giving information to the police that only the killer would have, known or just repeating information that he could have gotten from Watching America's Most. Wanted we know That Virginia johnson was driving her boyfriend's black pickup truck that. Night Thomas cisco told police he saw the witness pull up in a turquoise. Car now in her closing, Statement evelyn New bray pointed out that The America's Most wanted re enactment showed the perpetrator pulling up in a blue, car And Thomas cisco said in every version of his story that the witness was, white While Virginia johnson is black And Tomas cisco wasn't the only person whose memory and Testimony evelyn called. Out under, Hypnosis Virginia johnson talked about the second man she. Saw she said that that second man had a rabbit head. Keychain the rabbit head did not become a rabbit foot until. Later we've talked about this. Before evelya and New bray wondered in court whether it could have been a playboy bunny symbol those were everywhere in the, nineties or something. Else how did investigators get the change from rabbit's head to rabbit's. Foot, Also Virginia johnson mentioned seeing the.

Hair on the arms of the.

Hair on the arms of the.

Witness Tomas cisco has several tattoos on his, arm including a, dragon Yet Virginia johnson never mentioned a tattoo until the, lineup when she said that she remembered the second, man the one she hadn't seen that clearly had tattoos on his. Hands Virginia johnson said the, Victim Nicole, guidry had hair that was long in a, ponytail when in, Reality nicole's hair was four inches.

Witness Tomas cisco has several tattoos on his, arm including a, dragon Yet Virginia johnson never mentioned a tattoo until the, lineup when she said that she remembered the second, man the one she hadn't seen that clearly had tattoos on his. Hands Virginia johnson said the, Victim Nicole, guidry had hair that was long in a, ponytail when in, Reality nicole's hair was four inches.

Long but in The America's Most.

Long but in The America's Most.

Wanted, episode the re enactment actor Playing nicole had, long dark hair in a. Ponytail same story With Stacy reeve's. Outfit stacy was wearing an orange shirt and orange. Shorts virginia said the shirt was lime green and That stacy was wearing blue jean shorts that went down to her. Knees, again that's what the actress Playing stacy wore on THE tv. Show, basically the defense called into question Whether Virginia johnson actually remembered what she thought she, remembered or whether it could have been something she saw ON tv or something that was suggested to, her even totally unintentionally by police or by other. People we found out that there were a lot of inconsistencies In Virginia johnson's. Story in her closing, Arguments evelyne New bray talked about what she claimed were flaws in the witness. Identification we mentioned in earlier episodes that a lot of people in town talked about how the composite photo looked similar To Richard. Mcalvin but it turns Out Richard mcalvin was not the only person with a resemblance to that. Photo evelyn New bray said the photo resembled other, people including former Kk's corner Employee Miles adison and another. Man she showed those photos and the composite drawings side by side in that. Courtroom, meanwhile she said there were no composite drawings that Resembled Tomas. Cisco in closing, arguments she taught talked about the difference between direct evidence like a, witness an indirect or circumstantial. Evidence to illustrate, that she gave the example of someone seeing a person come in with a, gun then hearing a, shot and seeing that.

Wanted, episode the re enactment actor Playing nicole had, long dark hair in a. Ponytail same story With Stacy reeve's. Outfit stacy was wearing an orange shirt and orange. Shorts virginia said the shirt was lime green and That stacy was wearing blue jean shorts that went down to her. Knees, again that's what the actress Playing stacy wore on THE tv. Show, basically the defense called into question Whether Virginia johnson actually remembered what she thought she, remembered or whether it could have been something she saw ON tv or something that was suggested to, her even totally unintentionally by police or by other. People we found out that there were a lot of inconsistencies In Virginia johnson's. Story in her closing, Arguments evelyne New bray talked about what she claimed were flaws in the witness. Identification we mentioned in earlier episodes that a lot of people in town talked about how the composite photo looked similar To Richard. Mcalvin but it turns Out Richard mcalvin was not the only person with a resemblance to that. Photo evelyn New bray said the photo resembled other, people including former Kk's corner Employee Miles adison and another. Man she showed those photos and the composite drawings side by side in that. Courtroom, meanwhile she said there were no composite drawings that Resembled Tomas. Cisco in closing, arguments she taught talked about the difference between direct evidence like a, witness an indirect or circumstantial. Evidence to illustrate, that she gave the example of someone seeing a person come in with a, gun then hearing a, shot and seeing that.

Person flee the. Scene that would be indirect.

Person flee the. Scene that would be indirect.

Evidence she said that the case Against Thomas cisco was entirely circumstantial and the jury was instructed they could not convict a defendant based on circumstantial evidence unless quote the facts proved by the evidence exclude every reasonable hypothesis of innocence end. Quote there was no physical, evidence no scientific, evidence and no direct evidence Against Tomas. Cisco evely And wbray also talked about common. Sense she said that this crime did not make sense from a common sense point of view. Either she asked a question that a lot of people have, asked why would someone drive all the way From New orleans to Rob Kk's, corner one of the most highly trafficked convenience stores in that.

Evidence she said that the case Against Thomas cisco was entirely circumstantial and the jury was instructed they could not convict a defendant based on circumstantial evidence unless quote the facts proved by the evidence exclude every reasonable hypothesis of innocence end. Quote there was no physical, evidence no scientific, evidence and no direct evidence Against Tomas. Cisco evely And wbray also talked about common. Sense she said that this crime did not make sense from a common sense point of view. Either she asked a question that a lot of people have, asked why would someone drive all the way From New orleans to Rob Kk's, corner one of the most highly trafficked convenience stores in that.

Area she asked the jury to.

Area she asked the jury to.

Consider how someone Of Thomas, cisco's as she called, it limited, intelligence who according to his medical, records had, blackouts and who did, drugs and who, was according to his own testimony a lot of the time blacked out on drugs during this time. Period how someone like that could have planned a crime that involved intimate knowledge of the store and left no evidence. Behind Evelyn ubray told the jury That Thomas cisco would not have had the knowledge of the store's security systems or the knowledge of how to cut those phone. Lines and she said none of the suspects or potential people of interest that the police had questioned or even, considered had any connection To Thomas. Cisco the prosecuting, Attorney Rick bryant. Countered he, Said Thomas cisco was not, naive he was not, dumb he was extremely street, smart and he absolutely could have had a role in the murders And Rick bryant asked Why Virginia, johnson the, witness would have any reason to. Lie Evelyn ubray said she might not have intentionedly, lied but that memory is like a tape.

Consider how someone Of Thomas, cisco's as she called, it limited, intelligence who according to his medical, records had, blackouts and who did, drugs and who, was according to his own testimony a lot of the time blacked out on drugs during this time. Period how someone like that could have planned a crime that involved intimate knowledge of the store and left no evidence. Behind Evelyn ubray told the jury That Thomas cisco would not have had the knowledge of the store's security systems or the knowledge of how to cut those phone. Lines and she said none of the suspects or potential people of interest that the police had questioned or even, considered had any connection To Thomas. Cisco the prosecuting, Attorney Rick bryant. Countered he, Said Thomas cisco was not, naive he was not, dumb he was extremely street, smart and he absolutely could have had a role in the murders And Rick bryant asked Why Virginia, johnson the, witness would have any reason to. Lie Evelyn ubray said she might not have intentionedly, lied but that memory is like a tape.

Recorder things can be.

Recorder things can be.

Distorted even if people think their recall is, perfect they could be dead. Wrong she also talked about the fact that many of the details of the WITNESS id did not come out until months after the, murder When Virginia johnson was. Hypnotized so let's talk about this hypnosis for a. Minute we did some. Digging we found out the hypnosis was done by a forensic psychologist named Doctor Michael. Gallis now Doctor gallis is very well. Known he was the chief forensic psychologist for The Naval Criminal Investigative services in two thousand and two when he and some of his colleagues found out The navy was using unauthorized interrogation techniques on one of the suspected hijackers from nine to. Eleven they claimed that Hijacker mohammad Al catani had been deprived of sleep for twenty eight. Days Doctor gallis was praised for blowing the whistle about these illegal interrogations that were happening In Guantanamo, bay but his career has also had its share of. Controversy in nineteen ninety, nine Doctor gellis interviewed A naval Officer Petty, Officer Daniel. Kane daniel had been stationed In. Guam he was supposed to start a new assignment with THE. Nsa before he accepted that, position he apparently had to take a routine polygraph.

Distorted even if people think their recall is, perfect they could be dead. Wrong she also talked about the fact that many of the details of the WITNESS id did not come out until months after the, murder When Virginia johnson was. Hypnotized so let's talk about this hypnosis for a. Minute we did some. Digging we found out the hypnosis was done by a forensic psychologist named Doctor Michael. Gallis now Doctor gallis is very well. Known he was the chief forensic psychologist for The Naval Criminal Investigative services in two thousand and two when he and some of his colleagues found out The navy was using unauthorized interrogation techniques on one of the suspected hijackers from nine to. Eleven they claimed that Hijacker mohammad Al catani had been deprived of sleep for twenty eight. Days Doctor gallis was praised for blowing the whistle about these illegal interrogations that were happening In Guantanamo, bay but his career has also had its share of. Controversy in nineteen ninety, nine Doctor gellis interviewed A naval Officer Petty, Officer Daniel. Kane daniel had been stationed In. Guam he was supposed to start a new assignment with THE. Nsa before he accepted that, position he apparently had to take a routine polygraph.

Test the test was.

Test the test was.

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Inconclusive daniel ended up being charged with providing classified information ABOUT us submarine intelligence programs To. Russia SO ncis agents started Interrogating. Daniel they detained, him which they were allowed to, do and the questioning sessions lasted.

Between twelve and nineteen.

Between twelve and nineteen.

Hours they did this for twenty nine, days and When daniel asked for a, lawyer they ignored. Him daniel started to lose touch with. Reality he told his interrogators that he was depressed in. Suicidal after about three weeks of, this he told the agents holding him he wanted to see a, psychiatrist so that's when they brought in Doctor. Gellis daniel told Doctor galllis that he couldn't remember committing, espionage but said Doctor gallis told him the polygraph examination proved he must have done. Something this obviously wasn't. True daniel was also told that he had failed the polygraph test that also wasn't. True the results were. Inconclusive according to a later, Complaint daniel became extremely distraught during this. Questioning he grabbed a knife and tried to stab himself in the. Stomach After Daniel king was eventually, released his attorney filed an ethics complaint against Doctor gallis with THE, apa but it was not, accepted and the controversy over Doctor gallis and over Those guantanamo interrogations continues to this. Day all of this went down just two years after the murders at Kk's. Corner i'm telling this story to illustrate that hypnosis is not some kind of magic.

Hours they did this for twenty nine, days and When daniel asked for a, lawyer they ignored. Him daniel started to lose touch with. Reality he told his interrogators that he was depressed in. Suicidal after about three weeks of, this he told the agents holding him he wanted to see a, psychiatrist so that's when they brought in Doctor. Gellis daniel told Doctor galllis that he couldn't remember committing, espionage but said Doctor gallis told him the polygraph examination proved he must have done. Something this obviously wasn't. True daniel was also told that he had failed the polygraph test that also wasn't. True the results were. Inconclusive according to a later, Complaint daniel became extremely distraught during this. Questioning he grabbed a knife and tried to stab himself in the. Stomach After Daniel king was eventually, released his attorney filed an ethics complaint against Doctor gallis with THE, apa but it was not, accepted and the controversy over Doctor gallis and over Those guantanamo interrogations continues to this. Day all of this went down just two years after the murders at Kk's. Corner i'm telling this story to illustrate that hypnosis is not some kind of magic.

Bullet it's.

Bullet it's.

Controversial the success of any interrogation relies heavily on the, interrogators and we know that there were many different versions Of Thomas cisco's story, told and many different versions Of Virginia. Johnson's during the Kk's corner, trial Doctor gellis testified about the. Hypnosis he said hypnosis was quote nothing more than a form of relaxation end. Quote he said there is no research to show that information obtained under hypnosis is. Accurate he, explained the only way to know for sure was to independently corroborate that. Information but in the Kk's corner, case corroborating the evidence was difficult, because as we have been told over and, over there was no physical. Evidence but it turned out that wasn't quite. True according to THE fbi, report Numerous caucasian hairs were found on the, bodies but none of those hairs were a match For Thomas. Cisco blood samples were taken from the crime. Scene none of the blood samples Matched Thomas, cisco and there were only four latent prints taken from the entire crime, scene but none of those prints were A machi. Either THE fbi report also mentioned there were other fibers at the crime, scene blue green and red carpet type. Fibers those fibers were taken off all of the. Victims investigators never found a match to those. Fibers Evelyn ubray stated in court That Tomas cisco was a chainsmoker and that there was a cigarette butt found on the floor of the, cooler but there was no record of that cigarette ever being processed FOR. Dna she asked why law enforcement did not test a cigarette that could have been linked to the.

Controversial the success of any interrogation relies heavily on the, interrogators and we know that there were many different versions Of Thomas cisco's story, told and many different versions Of Virginia. Johnson's during the Kk's corner, trial Doctor gellis testified about the. Hypnosis he said hypnosis was quote nothing more than a form of relaxation end. Quote he said there is no research to show that information obtained under hypnosis is. Accurate he, explained the only way to know for sure was to independently corroborate that. Information but in the Kk's corner, case corroborating the evidence was difficult, because as we have been told over and, over there was no physical. Evidence but it turned out that wasn't quite. True according to THE fbi, report Numerous caucasian hairs were found on the, bodies but none of those hairs were a match For Thomas. Cisco blood samples were taken from the crime. Scene none of the blood samples Matched Thomas, cisco and there were only four latent prints taken from the entire crime, scene but none of those prints were A machi. Either THE fbi report also mentioned there were other fibers at the crime, scene blue green and red carpet type. Fibers those fibers were taken off all of the. Victims investigators never found a match to those. Fibers Evelyn ubray stated in court That Tomas cisco was a chainsmoker and that there was a cigarette butt found on the floor of the, cooler but there was no record of that cigarette ever being processed FOR. Dna she asked why law enforcement did not test a cigarette that could have been linked to the.

Killer we asked about the.

Killer we asked about the.

Evidence we wanted to know whether it could be retested, today but we're still not sure of the. Status we don't know if the evidence still exists or what condition it's. In Lame lebuff believes that it burned in a, fire but we don't have confirmation of. That if it does exist and if they still have, it could it be retested and could that testing lead to another. Suspect At Thomas sisko's, trial his defense Attorney evelyn U bray was trying to focus the jury on alternative, suspects and a lot of people wondered if this case could be connected to drug deals that had been going down At Kk's. Corner you may remember from last week that the owner of the store at the, Time Kenny, klein said that about a year before the, murders an employee came to him and told him that several, employees Including Marty lebuff And Nathaniel, gobert were dealing drugs At Kk's. Corner police talked to the, Employee Stephen. Viator he said that when he Told kenny about the alleged drug. Dealing kenny told him that he should mind his own, business And stephen said his hours were cut from forty hours a week down to just a few soon, afterwards But kenny did tell law enforcement about his employee's. Suspicions and then two, Officers jerome With straps And jason, mcwright came by to try to do some undercover. Buys kenny said police told told him that the undercover buyers had. Failed they were unable to buy drugs at the, store so life went on at kk's. Corner after the, murders police talked to more than one person who said That marty was dealing marijuana out of kk's, corner and we know From miles addison statements to police that he was dealing drugs, too including, COCAINE lsd and pot out of the. Store according to police, Documents stacey had talked to two officers in the weeks before the murders about drug dealing in kk's. Corner one of them Was jerome With. Straps Detective deluge knew That jerome Was straps worked narcotics for THE Calcashu Paris Sheriff's, department so he contacted the chief Of detectives There John. Fryar he asked If stacy had been a confidential informant for. Anyone John fryar, said to his, Knowledge stacy never provided intel to any of his. Officers but, later according to court, Documents jerome With straps said he had talked To stacy about working under co with The sheriff's. Office he said she told him about people dealing Kevin abel drugs and her suspicion That kevin's death was not a. Homicide according to a statement made By jerome With, straps he Advised stacy that with two young, daughters undercover work might be dangerous for. Her he said he told her that if she had information About kevin's, death she should contact the investigator in charge of that. Case In february of nineteen ninety, nine the attorney working on a civil lawsuit Contacted jerome With. Straps he confirmed police did send an undercover officer in to make a buy AT. KKs they said that none of the employees suspected of selling drugs were on duty at that time and that.

Evidence we wanted to know whether it could be retested, today but we're still not sure of the. Status we don't know if the evidence still exists or what condition it's. In Lame lebuff believes that it burned in a, fire but we don't have confirmation of. That if it does exist and if they still have, it could it be retested and could that testing lead to another. Suspect At Thomas sisko's, trial his defense Attorney evelyn U bray was trying to focus the jury on alternative, suspects and a lot of people wondered if this case could be connected to drug deals that had been going down At Kk's. Corner you may remember from last week that the owner of the store at the, Time Kenny, klein said that about a year before the, murders an employee came to him and told him that several, employees Including Marty lebuff And Nathaniel, gobert were dealing drugs At Kk's. Corner police talked to the, Employee Stephen. Viator he said that when he Told kenny about the alleged drug. Dealing kenny told him that he should mind his own, business And stephen said his hours were cut from forty hours a week down to just a few soon, afterwards But kenny did tell law enforcement about his employee's. Suspicions and then two, Officers jerome With straps And jason, mcwright came by to try to do some undercover. Buys kenny said police told told him that the undercover buyers had. Failed they were unable to buy drugs at the, store so life went on at kk's. Corner after the, murders police talked to more than one person who said That marty was dealing marijuana out of kk's, corner and we know From miles addison statements to police that he was dealing drugs, too including, COCAINE lsd and pot out of the. Store according to police, Documents stacey had talked to two officers in the weeks before the murders about drug dealing in kk's. Corner one of them Was jerome With. Straps Detective deluge knew That jerome Was straps worked narcotics for THE Calcashu Paris Sheriff's, department so he contacted the chief Of detectives There John. Fryar he asked If stacy had been a confidential informant for. Anyone John fryar, said to his, Knowledge stacy never provided intel to any of his. Officers but, later according to court, Documents jerome With straps said he had talked To stacy about working under co with The sheriff's. Office he said she told him about people dealing Kevin abel drugs and her suspicion That kevin's death was not a. Homicide according to a statement made By jerome With, straps he Advised stacy that with two young, daughters undercover work might be dangerous for. Her he said he told her that if she had information About kevin's, death she should contact the investigator in charge of that. Case In february of nineteen ninety, nine the attorney working on a civil lawsuit Contacted jerome With. Straps he confirmed police did send an undercover officer in to make a buy AT. KKs they said that none of the employees suspected of selling drugs were on duty at that time and that.

That's why it didn't.

That's why it didn't.

Work he said they hung around outside the store for a few nights and didn't see any evidence of drug, dealing so they suspended the. Operation, Now jerome With straps had a second. Job he worked security three nights a week at The kettle restaurant from twelve am to six. Am erome Said stacy would sometimes come into the restaurant and talk to. Him she would talk to him About kevin's drug dealing and her fears For kevin's life and later for her. Life jerome Said stacy talked to him three or four times Before kevin's death and two to three times. Afterward in the weeks before she was, Murdered jerome Was strapped said in the early morning hours Of july, six he was on his way to work at The. Kettle he said he was running, late and he drove through the kk's.

Work he said they hung around outside the store for a few nights and didn't see any evidence of drug, dealing so they suspended the. Operation, Now jerome With straps had a second. Job he worked security three nights a week at The kettle restaurant from twelve am to six. Am erome Said stacy would sometimes come into the restaurant and talk to. Him she would talk to him About kevin's drug dealing and her fears For kevin's life and later for her. Life jerome Said stacy talked to him three or four times Before kevin's death and two to three times. Afterward in the weeks before she was, Murdered jerome Was strapped said in the early morning hours Of july, six he was on his way to work at The. Kettle he said he was running, late and he drove through the kk's.

Corner parking lot at twelve twenty two.

Corner parking lot at twelve twenty two.

Am he said at that point he noticed the store looked well, lit like it was open for. Business he said he remembered thinking that was slightly, unusual but thought maybe they were staying late because it was a holiday. Weekend So jerome Was straps was asked why he waited so long to reveal that he had been in that parking. Lot he said he didn't really have an answer for why he had not reported this information to police. Before he said he thought he might have Told Deputy deluche about him being in that parking lot at the crucial, time right around when the murders, happened but that he wasn't. Sure Sheila thigpen was one Of stacy's best. Friends she stated during a deposition That kevin owed a lot of money to, someone possibly as much as five thousand. Dollars those weren't his only, Debts sheila Said stacy told her That kevin owed nine to ten thousand dollars to some other people and that, quote if he didn't get the money to this guy, soon he was going to be killed end. Quote she Called kevin, paranoid but LIKE i often, say paranoid people aren't always. Wrong to get the money to pay his, Dealers kevin would write a check to kk's, Corner stacey would cash, it And kevin would give the drug dealers. Cash stacy believed that someone was following her in the last weeks of her.

Am he said at that point he noticed the store looked well, lit like it was open for. Business he said he remembered thinking that was slightly, unusual but thought maybe they were staying late because it was a holiday. Weekend So jerome Was straps was asked why he waited so long to reveal that he had been in that parking. Lot he said he didn't really have an answer for why he had not reported this information to police. Before he said he thought he might have Told Deputy deluche about him being in that parking lot at the crucial, time right around when the murders, happened but that he wasn't. Sure Sheila thigpen was one Of stacy's best. Friends she stated during a deposition That kevin owed a lot of money to, someone possibly as much as five thousand. Dollars those weren't his only, Debts sheila Said stacy told her That kevin owed nine to ten thousand dollars to some other people and that, quote if he didn't get the money to this guy, soon he was going to be killed end. Quote she Called kevin, paranoid but LIKE i often, say paranoid people aren't always. Wrong to get the money to pay his, Dealers kevin would write a check to kk's, Corner stacey would cash, it And kevin would give the drug dealers. Cash stacy believed that someone was following her in the last weeks of her.

Life according To, sheila the people she.

Life according To, sheila the people she.

Was meeting, with a man Named brian and another man Named Officer, sweeney were talking to her about her suspicions About kevin's. Death sheila, said, Quote stacey was seeing a man Named brian because she said she had some evidence to pinpoint that it Wasn't kevin's. Handwriting she was going to get the letter Through, brian and then she met a guy Named Officer sweeney at The kettle one. Night she said they were going to help her prove That kevin didn't commit.

Was meeting, with a man Named brian and another man Named Officer, sweeney were talking to her about her suspicions About kevin's. Death sheila, said, Quote stacey was seeing a man Named brian because she said she had some evidence to pinpoint that it Wasn't kevin's. Handwriting she was going to get the letter Through, brian and then she met a guy Named Officer sweeney at The kettle one. Night she said they were going to help her prove That kevin didn't commit.

Suicide end.

Suicide end.

Quote sheila said she was With stacy one night When stacy met With Officer sweeney at The kettle restaurant Where jerome was straps and other officers work second. Jobs she Said stacy went to the back of The kettle by the poker machines and talked To Officer. Sweeney the police said they couldn't Find Officer, sweeney BUT i did find information about An Officer sweeney who was working for The Lake Charles Police department at the. Time i'm trying to contact him to see if he is the same officer Who sheila saw meeting With. Stacy sheila said That stacy told Her Miles addison was dealing marijuana out of the store and That stacey bought weed from. Him she said she personally Witness stacy filling out a, check Signing kevin's name to it and collecting the money from Kk's sheila also Said stacy talked to her about people with drug code Names, Ice, robo and Kool, aid but she said she wasn't sure who any of these people. Were we've had several people revealed to us who they believed to be the identity Of. Ice were working to verify, it But i'm not gonna. Lie it's hard to verify anything because a lot of people who were potential witnesses have died or left the, saint and the ones who were left behind are. Scared Tracy, reeves one Of Stacy reeves's twin, daughters died in twenty twenty. One Chad, reeves the sole witness To Kevin abel's, death has also passed. Away according to The Lake Charles, Police chad was living with his, aunt sixty eight year Old Mary Jane. CASEY a family member got concerned On july, seventeenth twenty, nineteen when they couldn't reach Either chad Or Mary, jane so they called for a welfare check at their. Home when officers arrived at the, scene they found the bodies Of Mary jane And. Chad, later a spokesperson for The Late Charles Police department said they believe the night before the welfare, Check chad shot his aunt with a shotgun and then turned the gun on. Himself the killings were ruled a murder, suicide and the city attorney.

Quote sheila said she was With stacy one night When stacy met With Officer sweeney at The kettle restaurant Where jerome was straps and other officers work second. Jobs she Said stacy went to the back of The kettle by the poker machines and talked To Officer. Sweeney the police said they couldn't Find Officer, sweeney BUT i did find information about An Officer sweeney who was working for The Lake Charles Police department at the. Time i'm trying to contact him to see if he is the same officer Who sheila saw meeting With. Stacy sheila said That stacy told Her Miles addison was dealing marijuana out of the store and That stacey bought weed from. Him she said she personally Witness stacy filling out a, check Signing kevin's name to it and collecting the money from Kk's sheila also Said stacy talked to her about people with drug code Names, Ice, robo and Kool, aid but she said she wasn't sure who any of these people. Were we've had several people revealed to us who they believed to be the identity Of. Ice were working to verify, it But i'm not gonna. Lie it's hard to verify anything because a lot of people who were potential witnesses have died or left the, saint and the ones who were left behind are. Scared Tracy, reeves one Of Stacy reeves's twin, daughters died in twenty twenty. One Chad, reeves the sole witness To Kevin abel's, death has also passed. Away according to The Lake Charles, Police chad was living with his, aunt sixty eight year Old Mary Jane. CASEY a family member got concerned On july, seventeenth twenty, nineteen when they couldn't reach Either chad Or Mary, jane so they called for a welfare check at their. Home when officers arrived at the, scene they found the bodies Of Mary jane And. Chad, later a spokesperson for The Late Charles Police department said they believe the night before the welfare, Check chad shot his aunt with a shotgun and then turned the gun on. Himself the killings were ruled a murder, suicide and the city attorney.

Told a local news station the case had been.

Told a local news station the case had been.

Closed as we said last, Week Thomas cisco was sentenced to ninety years in. Prison his parole was rescinded in twenty twenty, three and he is still incarcerated In, Angola. Louisiana according to the latest INFORMATION i can, find he's next eligible for parole this. Year in twenty twenty, FIVE i Wrote Thomas cisco a letter AND i have been in contact with his, sister so IF i am able to talk to, HIM i will keep you all. Updated The Violent Crimes Task force Of Calkashi perish was disbanded three years after The Kk's corner murders in two. Thousand that was the same year That Deputy, deluge who headed up the, investigation moved. On in two, thousand he became the chief of police In, Jennings, louisiana a town about thirty seven miles east down the It. In while working In, Jennings Deputy deluge faced a sexual harassment. Scandal according to the Book murder in The, bayou he was accused of forcing a female employee to make a video of herself getting her nipple, piers and then of showing that video to work. Colleagues in two thousand and, Three Deputy deluche resigned from The Jennings Police. Department he later reportedly worked for another police. Department Sheriff Wayne mcalvin is now in his mid. Eighties we have been told he is not in good. Health his, Son Richard, mcalvin is a chiropractor In. Louisiana according to the latest online RECORDS i can, find it seems as Though Miles addison has moved away from The Lake charles. Area he had a criminal, record including some drug, charges but was pardoned by the governor in twenty. Sixteen David, freeman the drug dealer Who kevin able owed money, to was arrested in connection With kevin's, death but later. Released he appears to be currently incarcerated In. Louisiana Laine, Lebuff marty's, brother continues to fight for. Answers he posts regularly on The facebook page Remembering Kk's.

Closed as we said last, Week Thomas cisco was sentenced to ninety years in. Prison his parole was rescinded in twenty twenty, three and he is still incarcerated In, Angola. Louisiana according to the latest INFORMATION i can, find he's next eligible for parole this. Year in twenty twenty, FIVE i Wrote Thomas cisco a letter AND i have been in contact with his, sister so IF i am able to talk to, HIM i will keep you all. Updated The Violent Crimes Task force Of Calkashi perish was disbanded three years after The Kk's corner murders in two. Thousand that was the same year That Deputy, deluge who headed up the, investigation moved. On in two, thousand he became the chief of police In, Jennings, louisiana a town about thirty seven miles east down the It. In while working In, Jennings Deputy deluge faced a sexual harassment. Scandal according to the Book murder in The, bayou he was accused of forcing a female employee to make a video of herself getting her nipple, piers and then of showing that video to work. Colleagues in two thousand and, Three Deputy deluche resigned from The Jennings Police. Department he later reportedly worked for another police. Department Sheriff Wayne mcalvin is now in his mid. Eighties we have been told he is not in good. Health his, Son Richard, mcalvin is a chiropractor In. Louisiana according to the latest online RECORDS i can, find it seems as Though Miles addison has moved away from The Lake charles. Area he had a criminal, record including some drug, charges but was pardoned by the governor in twenty. Sixteen David, freeman the drug dealer Who kevin able owed money, to was arrested in connection With kevin's, death but later. Released he appears to be currently incarcerated In. Louisiana Laine, Lebuff marty's, brother continues to fight for. Answers he posts regularly on The facebook page Remembering Kk's.

Corner twenty five years, later the former.

Corner twenty five years, later the former.

Owner Of, Kk's Kenny, klin told us that for, him the murders changed, everything and it seems like for a lot of people in this, case the events of their entire lives can be divided into two, parts before the murders At Kk's corner and everything after a few weeks after the, Murders Kenny klin sold the. Store he told us he started a long care, business and he said he's never looked.

Owner Of, Kk's Kenny, klin told us that for, him the murders changed, everything and it seems like for a lot of people in this, case the events of their entire lives can be divided into two, parts before the murders At Kk's corner and everything after a few weeks after the, Murders Kenny klin sold the. Store he told us he started a long care, business and he said he's never looked.

Back when you're in the middle of, it LIKE i, am you hear so much you start, Thinking, okay is this tied? Together that tied? Together and this is just very personal for me BECAUSE i like to watch this crime stuff ON. TV i kind of believe in conspiracy, theories you know that kind of. Crap certainly doesn't surprise me if it's something like. That but there, AGAIN i can't prove. IT i can't prove, It and AGAIN i don't want to jump out there and accuse someone BECAUSE i, mean you, KNOW i used to have to come home and my wife KNOW i heard somebody in the grocery store saying that you, know you knew they were selling drugs and you were getting a cut of it and you know all that kind of, crap And i'm, like, well you know, what sweet. Are we got out of the store BECAUSE i just couldn't stand to go back in, there AND i opened up lawn service and started cutting grass in a hundred degree. HEAT i, REALLY i just want to tell, you from the bottom of my, HEART i appreciate what y'all were. Doing there's two THINGS i want to know BEFORE i. Die number one is exactly what happened To Kk's. Corner number two is who really Killed JOHN. F. Kennedy so if y'all configure that that first one, Out i'd be very very appreciative For i'd go to my. Grave i'm sixty three years. OLD i sure like to know BEFORE i.

Back when you're in the middle of, it LIKE i, am you hear so much you start, Thinking, okay is this tied? Together that tied? Together and this is just very personal for me BECAUSE i like to watch this crime stuff ON. TV i kind of believe in conspiracy, theories you know that kind of. Crap certainly doesn't surprise me if it's something like. That but there, AGAIN i can't prove. IT i can't prove, It and AGAIN i don't want to jump out there and accuse someone BECAUSE i, mean you, KNOW i used to have to come home and my wife KNOW i heard somebody in the grocery store saying that you, know you knew they were selling drugs and you were getting a cut of it and you know all that kind of, crap And i'm, like, well you know, what sweet. Are we got out of the store BECAUSE i just couldn't stand to go back in, there AND i opened up lawn service and started cutting grass in a hundred degree. HEAT i, REALLY i just want to tell, you from the bottom of my, HEART i appreciate what y'all were. Doing there's two THINGS i want to know BEFORE i. Die number one is exactly what happened To Kk's. Corner number two is who really Killed JOHN. F. Kennedy so if y'all configure that that first one, Out i'd be very very appreciative For i'd go to my. Grave i'm sixty three years. OLD i sure like to know BEFORE i.

Deserve law enforcements say they are still actively investigating The Kk's corner murders because the second killer was never. Caught police have asked anyone who has information about the killings to contact The Calcashue Parish sheriff's office at three three seven four nine one three six, five or they can call Crime stoppers anonymously at three three seven four three nine two two two. Two I'm Catherine. Townsend this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line Helen Gone Murder line is a production Of school Of humans And iHeart. Podcasts it's written and narrated by Me Catherine townsend and produced By Gabby.

Deserve law enforcements say they are still actively investigating The Kk's corner murders because the second killer was never. Caught police have asked anyone who has information about the killings to contact The Calcashue Parish sheriff's office at three three seven four nine one three six, five or they can call Crime stoppers anonymously at three three seven four three nine two two two. Two I'm Catherine. Townsend this Is Helen Gone Murder. Line Helen Gone Murder line is a production Of school Of humans And iHeart. Podcasts it's written and narrated by Me Catherine townsend and produced By Gabby.

Watts special thanks To Amy.

Watts special thanks To Amy.

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