The School of Humans. In January of twenty twenty two, Jason Lyrell was visiting some friends in Madison County, Arkansas, when he disappeared without a trace. On February thirteenth, twenty twenty two, a few weeks after Jason went missing, a man was arrested in Barry County, Missouri on shoplifting charges and had blood on his hands and all over his clothing. He claimed to be Clint Phillips, the man who was originally charged with and acquitted of the nineteen ninety four murder of Billy Jean Phillips. But the man with the blood on his clothes was not Clint Phillips. In fact, his name was Jimmy Evans. Jimmy Evans had known Jason Lyrel since they were kids, and according to this police report, Jimmy Evans said that he had information about Jason Lyrell and that Madison County would want to talk to him about a capital murder. We're going to go back to January twenty third, twenty twenty two, where we left off last week. In the timeline, Jason had been staying at his friend Miriam's house for a couple of days. Remember, he arrived there on January twenty first. He was driven there by a guy named Don, who had known Miriam for a long time Anne, who also knew Jason back in the day. For the first couple of days that Jason was at Miriam's, things appeared to be going well. He and Miriam had reconnected after a long time. They seemed to like each other, and there were also some other people around, including Charity and Troy, who Miriam said had been living there on her property for a few months. Don was also around, and also a guy named Aaron came over. Some other people had been coming and going over the next couple of days. They hung out together, did some drugs, partied, and everything seemed to be going pretty well. But on January twenty third, things took a darker turn, and then Jason vanished. It's been over two years and no trace of Jason Lirell has been found. Police indicated in their report that there were several theories about what could have happened to Jason. I've had several possibilities mentioned to me as well. One is that Jason could have taken an accidental overdose and wandered off and then possibly succumbed to the elements or frozen to death. Another possibility was that he was murdered, burned, or possibly buried somewhere on Miriam's property. There's also some evidence of a third possibility that Jason could have been the victim of a sexual predator. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our helengoone murder line at six seven eight seven four four six ' one four or five that six seven eight seven four four one four or five this is Hell and Gone murder line. Last week we talked about Jason's timeline, but just to review, Jason was going through a divorce. He had separated from his wife, Jamaica, and their divorce was going through the court system. Then sometime in the winner of twenty twenty two, Jason started having issues with drugs. Jason had missed a court ordered drug test on January nineteenth that was real related to custody of his son. After that, it seems that things started going on more of a downward spiral for Jason. So last week we talked to Jason's sister Sarah. We got the timeline from her point of view, we learned that on January twenty fourth, she was texting back and forth with Jason. He was planning to be back at the apartment that they shared in Fayetteville, Arkansas, on January twenty fifth, because Sarah had to go on a work trip. Jason was going to dog sit for her dog, Woodie, but Jason never showed up. Sarah told us that she believes the text messages that she received on January twenty fifth were perhaps not sent from Jason. She said they were misspelled, they didn't sound like something that he would have sent. But the last text she got from Jason's phone indicated that he was in Hinesville. This was on the afternoon of January twenty fifth, a little after four pm. Hinesville is near both Down's residence and Miriam's resid where Jason had been staying. So now we're going to go more in depth about what was actually going on out in the woods while Jason was at Miriam's house. What we know from Miriam, and when I say what we know, I mean she gave this information to the police. She's also posted this information and a detailed timeline to social media. There are some discrepancies in Miriam's and other people's stories, and we are going to go in depth into those. I initially got involved with this case when I talked to someone who formerly worked in law enforcement in Madison County. This person also knew Jason from high school. He said that he became disillusioned with how things in Madison County were operating. He goes under the pseudonym Jay Brown and regularly posts to the website Jason Lirel Missing Persons. He also grew up in the area and is very familiar with this terrain. He says he's put well over one thousand hours into this case. He's trying to help Sarah and the rest of Jason and his family and friends get answers and justice. By the way, just a side note here, Miriam has insisted that she's done everything she can to help the investigation. She's provided information to Jason's family, she's cooperating with law enforcement, she let them voluntarily search her property, and she says she has no idea what happened to Jason and that she had nothing to do with it. Jay Brown acknowledged there were some discrepancies in Miriam's narrative, but for what it's worth, he said he believed that Miriam was, for the most part truthful. He said it appeared that she cared deeply for Jason.

The School of Humans. In January of twenty twenty two, Jason Lyrell was visiting some friends in Madison County, Arkansas, when he disappeared without a trace. On February thirteenth, twenty twenty two, a few weeks after Jason went missing, a man was arrested in Barry County, Missouri on shoplifting charges and had blood on his hands and all over his clothing. He claimed to be Clint Phillips, the man who was originally charged with and acquitted of the nineteen ninety four murder of Billy Jean Phillips. But the man with the blood on his clothes was not Clint Phillips. In fact, his name was Jimmy Evans. Jimmy Evans had known Jason Lyrel since they were kids, and according to this police report, Jimmy Evans said that he had information about Jason Lyrell and that Madison County would want to talk to him about a capital murder. We're going to go back to January twenty third, twenty twenty two, where we left off last week. In the timeline, Jason had been staying at his friend Miriam's house for a couple of days. Remember, he arrived there on January twenty first. He was driven there by a guy named Don, who had known Miriam for a long time Anne, who also knew Jason back in the day. For the first couple of days that Jason was at Miriam's, things appeared to be going well. He and Miriam had reconnected after a long time. They seemed to like each other, and there were also some other people around, including Charity and Troy, who Miriam said had been living there on her property for a few months. Don was also around, and also a guy named Aaron came over. Some other people had been coming and going over the next couple of days. They hung out together, did some drugs, partied, and everything seemed to be going pretty well. But on January twenty third, things took a darker turn, and then Jason vanished. It's been over two years and no trace of Jason Lirell has been found. Police indicated in their report that there were several theories about what could have happened to Jason. I've had several possibilities mentioned to me as well. One is that Jason could have taken an accidental overdose and wandered off and then possibly succumbed to the elements or frozen to death. Another possibility was that he was murdered, burned, or possibly buried somewhere on Miriam's property. There's also some evidence of a third possibility that Jason could have been the victim of a sexual predator. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our helengoone murder line at six seven eight seven four four six ' one four or five that six seven eight seven four four one four or five this is Hell and Gone murder line. Last week we talked about Jason's timeline, but just to review, Jason was going through a divorce. He had separated from his wife, Jamaica, and their divorce was going through the court system. Then sometime in the winner of twenty twenty two, Jason started having issues with drugs. Jason had missed a court ordered drug test on January nineteenth that was real related to custody of his son. After that, it seems that things started going on more of a downward spiral for Jason. So last week we talked to Jason's sister Sarah. We got the timeline from her point of view, we learned that on January twenty fourth, she was texting back and forth with Jason. He was planning to be back at the apartment that they shared in Fayetteville, Arkansas, on January twenty fifth, because Sarah had to go on a work trip. Jason was going to dog sit for her dog, Woodie, but Jason never showed up. Sarah told us that she believes the text messages that she received on January twenty fifth were perhaps not sent from Jason. She said they were misspelled, they didn't sound like something that he would have sent. But the last text she got from Jason's phone indicated that he was in Hinesville. This was on the afternoon of January twenty fifth, a little after four pm. Hinesville is near both Down's residence and Miriam's resid where Jason had been staying. So now we're going to go more in depth about what was actually going on out in the woods while Jason was at Miriam's house. What we know from Miriam, and when I say what we know, I mean she gave this information to the police. She's also posted this information and a detailed timeline to social media. There are some discrepancies in Miriam's and other people's stories, and we are going to go in depth into those. I initially got involved with this case when I talked to someone who formerly worked in law enforcement in Madison County. This person also knew Jason from high school. He said that he became disillusioned with how things in Madison County were operating. He goes under the pseudonym Jay Brown and regularly posts to the website Jason Lirel Missing Persons. He also grew up in the area and is very familiar with this terrain. He says he's put well over one thousand hours into this case. He's trying to help Sarah and the rest of Jason and his family and friends get answers and justice. By the way, just a side note here, Miriam has insisted that she's done everything she can to help the investigation. She's provided information to Jason's family, she's cooperating with law enforcement, she let them voluntarily search her property, and she says she has no idea what happened to Jason and that she had nothing to do with it. Jay Brown acknowledged there were some discrepancies in Miriam's narrative, but for what it's worth, he said he believed that Miriam was, for the most part truthful. He said it appeared that she cared deeply for Jason.

In the days he was there, they were taking walks together, hanging out with Miriam's kid, talking about getting cleaned together, talking about opening the hot dog stand on the dock and living on the property and just trying to restart their life. She's expressed extreme remorse and broken down numerous times in my presence when discussing this, and she said she thought she was inviting him to a safe area, and she feels in part responsible for his death because she's the one that kind of asked him to come there.

In the days he was there, they were taking walks together, hanging out with Miriam's kid, talking about getting cleaned together, talking about opening the hot dog stand on the dock and living on the property and just trying to restart their life. She's expressed extreme remorse and broken down numerous times in my presence when discussing this, and she said she thought she was inviting him to a safe area, and she feels in part responsible for his death because she's the one that kind of asked him to come there.

I'm really hoping this is true because we really need Miriam to continue to share information if we're going to get to the bottom of this. Jay told me that he's also heard several rumors. He's heard that Jason's remains were buried somewhere near where there is a rail buggy in a muddy area. He's heard the body was put into a barrel and dropped into Beaver Lake. He's also heard that several people shot Jason, possibly because they believe that he was a police informant. Since there's so many rumors surrounding this case, I need to take a step back. We have to really try to stay focused on the tangible physical evidence, and there is some physical evidence. The first piece of evidence is Jason's black Honda Civic. Actually the car belonged to Sarah, but she loaned it to Jason and he'd been driving it. Now we mentioned that Jason's car was found about a week after he went missing in the parking lot of J C. Pennies at the Northwest Arkansas Mall in Fayable. We know that Jason was a gun lover. He had several weapons, which of course are expensive. He took his guns with him when he left Sarah's, but the guns were not recovered. With the rest of his property. Jason kept some of his clothes and some other stuff in a duffel bag. Sarah met police at that parking lot and they went through Jason's car. According to the police report, the detectives used black light to explore the car interior and look for body fluids, including siemen, saliva or sweat. They saw no signs of blood and found no fingerprints. The detective noted that the car was very dirty, so in his opinion, it had not been vacuumed or wiped down or cleaned by whoever parked it there. And the detective wrote that based on this information, police did not believe that whoever left the car there had cleaned it in order to destroy evidence. In other words, it seemed that police were theorizing that the car was not the crime scene. The officer measured the position of both front seats and noted the driver's seat was sixteen inches from the front of the driver's doorframe. The passenger seat was backed up nineteen inches. Now, this backs up Sarah's story what she was telling us last week, that the car seat did not seem to be in its usual position, and that she believed that someone other than Jason had dropped the car there. There were also a lot of bullets in the car and a box of ammunition, but Sarah said that wasn't unusual for Jason. He had a collection of guns, and like a lot of people in this area, he liked to go shooting, but police did not find any of his weapons there. The detective did find a lot of empty drink bottles in the car, including lippten iced tea in San Pellegrino. He swabbed each of the bottles and took samples from around the car. Police carefully packed the evidence. The detective noted the methods he used to maintain chain of custody, and I just want to say, I know we criticized law enforcement a lot here, and I always want to take a minute to acknowledge when a job is thoroughly done, and it was thoroughly done at that crime scene. Police also noticed that there was some damage to the trunk's lock. It looked like it might have been busted open. There were also some pawn slips in the vehicle. Now in the police report, it's noted Jason did pawn one of his weapons, but what about the rest of the guns. Did Jason pawn those guns himself or did someone else do it? And could that have been the same person who broke into the trunk. Police submitted a search warrant on February tenth to Verizon, Jason's cell phone carrier, and to Google to access Jason's Gmail account. They got the information back within a week. On February fifth, police came to Jason and Sarah's apartment in Faible they searched Jason's room, they took a DNA sample from his toothbrush. Now, during this time, Sarah was reaching out to Jason's friends, and some of them were being helpful, though later Sarah said she wasn't sure if they were trying to help her or trying to misdirect. One of these people was Don Don, Remember, was the friend who drove Jason to Miriam's house, and Don was around during crucial parts of the next few days. After Sarah started posting on social media about Jason's disappearance, Don sent Sarah a message on Facebook explaining that Jason's Harley Davidson night Train motorcycle was at his friend Randall and Rachel's house. These were the friends whom Jason had been staying with before he came to Miriam's on the twenty first. Jason's motorcycle keys, by the way, were never found, so that part of the timeline does gel with what Sarah said and with Miriam's description of what happened. Remember, she said Jason didn't want to take his motorcycle to her house and that he had left it parked at Randall's. It's just a guess, but I imagine the reason the motorcycle keys were never found is because they were with Jason, and those keys might be wherever Jason is. There's a podcast that a journalist named Nicole Castile made called Hell in the Highlands. She did a long interview with Miriam. Now, between that interview and the material that Miriam put on social media, Miriam has given a lot of details about what happened during the time when Jason was at her house. As we said before, at first, things seemed great, everyone was having fun, but on January twenty third, things started to get weird. On that day, Miriam said, Jason and Don left the house together. Miriam told multiple people that Jason's Duffel bag was with him when he left the house. She said he threw it in the back of Don's truck as he was leaving. According to Miriam, Jason said he would come back later to hang out with Miriam again. And as Miriam's telling this story, it's hard to figure out she only realized that in hindsight, or if that's something that was weighing on her mind, because it did seem like there was tension building in the days leading up to Jason's disappearance like something bad was gonna happen. Miriam said on that podcast that apparently Don and Jason at some point ran into Aarin on the dirt road, and Miriam said that Aaron stopped at her house for a few minutes. I've heard through multiple people, and this is just a rumor. I don't know if it's true, but that Aarin had had an on and off relationship with Miriam. And I only note that because I'm looking for any potential conflicts that could have happened. But a member of Aaron's family contacted me and said that Aarin was not at that property after January twenty first. But either way, there is no indication that Aarin saw Jason at all on the twenty third or any time after that. And bring this up because remember later Aaron's van was stolen, and when he called the police and they came to his house, Jason's clothes were on the porch. I'm just trying to understand exactly what chain of events led to that. Later that same day, on January twenty third, Jason and Don went to Don's property. During this time, Don supposedly took a shower. Miriam claims that she took a nap and woke up several hours later, and it was already dark. She was in the house by herself. She said that Don showed up and was hysterical now. She also said that at some point Don told Miriam that Jason had agreed to have some sort of a homosexual encounter with him. She said at the time she did not believe that, but when Don got back to the house without Jason, he said that he and Jason had been in his truck together and that Jason had randomly jumped out of the truck by a waterfall. While she's digesting this, a little while later, a friend of theirs named Reese had stopped by the house and they asked Rees to go out and get Jason. So Reese did that and he brought Jason back to Miriam's house. Miriam said she went out to Reese's vehicle and Jason was asleep in Reese's truck. When Jason came back to Miriam's house, he was acting very strangely, like something traumatic had happened. Whatever was going on, Don and Jason had clearly had some kind of issue out there, and there was tension. But over the course of the night. From what Miriam said, it seemed like things got somewhat back to normal. Everyone seemed to be getting along again. Miriam said she didn't want to pride. Jason was exhausted, and so everyone just went to bed. Miriam said something else. She said that after that morning, when Jason had thrown his Duffel bag in Don's truck, he had left his duffel bag at Don's. We'll come back to that bag and the rest of Jason's stuff in a little bit, but just remember that, because again we need to know where every piece of physical evidence is. That is key. According to Miriam, on January twenty third, that duffelbag went to Down's and she never saw it again. Now we come to the most crucial part of the timeline January twenty fourth, twenty twenty two. Sometime in the afternoon of January twenty fourth, Jason went outside. Miriam said he went to take a walk, but then she said Jason did not come back as it was getting dark. Miriam claimed that she called Jason and asked what he was doing, and he said that he was hunting. She asked him if he needed a ride. He said he did not need a ride. Yet another guy they knew, a guy named Shane who was friends with Miriam and Jason, came over. He was apparently doing some work at the property. Now, at this time, Jason still was not back, so at around eight thirty pm, they called Jason and asked again if he needed a ride, and this time he said yes, so Shane went out and picked him up. Shane was driving a champagne colored Pathfinder and he picked Jason up at the end of the dirt road and drove him back to Miriam's again. When Jason came back to Miriams, according to her, she said that night he asked to use the washing machine. He wanted to wash some clothes. But while he was washing clothes, apparently he was walking around naked in the yard and acting very confused. Miriam used the word schizophrenic. She said he looked like he was having some kind of a mental issue, and when Miriam started talking to Jason, she said that he had a strange story. Miriam claims Jason told her that the police were at the end of the dirt road, that they had put him in a barrel and rolled him down a hill. Miriam said that Jason's knuckles were bloody. It looked like something had happened out there. Now, excuse my language, but I just want to pause to say this is a fucked up story, and I do wonder why she didn't act ask him more questions at this point. But then I also remembered there were drugs being consumed, and it is possible for people to hallucinate and imagine things that aren't there and become paranoid. So I'm not sure exactly what went down, but from what Miriam said, it seemed like she thought maybe he was just hallucinating. Miriam said after Jason told her that strange story, she told him go downstairs and take a shower, get something to eat, and come upstairs. She said she went upstairs to bed. Jason went downstairs, according to her, and she said she heard the shower start running. She said that was the last time she knew for sure that she had seen Jason. Miriam said she went to sleep. Now again, the stories we've heard have been slightly different because she has stated that at some point the night before, Jason was lying on her bed wrapped in one of her blankets. That was a blanket that she apparently later identified on Aaron's porch, but either way in both versions of the story, Miriam said on the morning of January twenty fifth, she does not remember seeing Jason at all. Miriam said on that day, Dawn woke her up pretty abruptly. She needed to go to town to get some groceries. She ran downstairs and pretty much straight out the door. She and Charity did some errands. They were cashing checks at a convenience store called Shawna's Corner in Huntsville. By the way, it sounds like a lot of people were cashing checks at this place. So if anyone out there knows people from Shawna's Corner, I would really really love to talk to them because they could have checks in their possession that have dates on them, and those dates could become really crucial. I have no idea if the police have talked to them or not, but I would like to talk to them. Miriam said that on that day she and Charity also drove across the border to Missouri to meet a guy named Moses. They shot guns at Moses's house and basically waited for him to score them some drugs, some meth. Based on what she said, Miriam said after all that they got home after dark around nine pm. No one was in the house. Don and Jason were gone. She said Don had sent her text messages at around four pm and said that he and Jason had left at five point twenty. That afternoon, another message came in from Jason. This was the one with the picture of the bottom half of someone's legs wearing a pair of jeans and some brown suede boots. Miriam said the message didn't make a lot of sense to her, but she thought maybe Jason had sent the message from her property. She said she recognized the tree in the picture as a tree from her property, and she said that she checked on iPhone to figure out the day and time when the picture was taken. Based on what she saw, she said she figured out the picture was actually taken the day before. The way she explained this was that because she lives in this remote area, sometimes if you're in an area that's out of cell service, messages will come in out of order. I've looked at that picture several times, and I have to say I find it strange that she would recognize a tree in the middle of the woods. Then again, it is her property. I'd also really like to know how she verified that that text had been sent the day before. I would be very interested to see the digital evidence of that. I know it's possible for phones to pop in and out of service out there, but if that text message was sent for Miriam's property. I would also note that the messages that Jason sent to his sister Sarah from the time when he was at Miriam's on the twenty fourth, they all got to Sarah in order, and they were all blue. This wasn't the only cryptic picture that Miriam shared on social media. She also shared something else, a photo of a noose hanging from a tree at night, one that she said was found on her property. I just want to take a minute to talk about the noos because it tains to something else that has come up during this case. Odinism. Now, for those of you who may not be familiar with this, Odinism is a religion. It's an ancient Nordic religion and it's based on the worship of the pagan gods, including Thor and Odin. So people who follow this religion, and there are a lot of different branches, just like with anything else, but they typically do things like where pendance of Thor's hammer. Sometimes they go and read poetry and have rituals in the woods. Sometimes they sacrifice animals. In recent years, this religion has taken on another context because it's also been a religion that a lot of white supremacist groups, especially in prison, have taken up. Apparently they believe Christianity in that whole turn the other cheap mentality is too passive for today's world, so they chose to worship the old gods. From what Miriam said, one of the people staying at her house is an odonist, and she posted pages from what she said is this person's journal online, and in those pages it seems to indicate that on January twenty fourth, from around seven forty five pm to nine ish, this person was out in the woods doing his ceremony and then he went into his room. There's no indication that this person had any type of conflict with Jason. I'm only bringing it up because there was a noose found in the woods. So there have been a lot of rumors that Jason could have been sacrificed, or that it was some kind of satanic ritual, and I just want to say there's absolutely no evidence of any of that. There's also, by the way, no evidence that the person who is practicing Odinism has any connection to white supremacy. What we learned was that this was someone who was performing a ritual out in the woods. That's what the news was for, and it had nothing to do with Jason Larrell. Here's Jay Brown.

I'm really hoping this is true because we really need Miriam to continue to share information if we're going to get to the bottom of this. Jay told me that he's also heard several rumors. He's heard that Jason's remains were buried somewhere near where there is a rail buggy in a muddy area. He's heard the body was put into a barrel and dropped into Beaver Lake. He's also heard that several people shot Jason, possibly because they believe that he was a police informant. Since there's so many rumors surrounding this case, I need to take a step back. We have to really try to stay focused on the tangible physical evidence, and there is some physical evidence. The first piece of evidence is Jason's black Honda Civic. Actually the car belonged to Sarah, but she loaned it to Jason and he'd been driving it. Now we mentioned that Jason's car was found about a week after he went missing in the parking lot of J C. Pennies at the Northwest Arkansas Mall in Fayable. We know that Jason was a gun lover. He had several weapons, which of course are expensive. He took his guns with him when he left Sarah's, but the guns were not recovered. With the rest of his property. Jason kept some of his clothes and some other stuff in a duffel bag. Sarah met police at that parking lot and they went through Jason's car. According to the police report, the detectives used black light to explore the car interior and look for body fluids, including siemen, saliva or sweat. They saw no signs of blood and found no fingerprints. The detective noted that the car was very dirty, so in his opinion, it had not been vacuumed or wiped down or cleaned by whoever parked it there. And the detective wrote that based on this information, police did not believe that whoever left the car there had cleaned it in order to destroy evidence. In other words, it seemed that police were theorizing that the car was not the crime scene. The officer measured the position of both front seats and noted the driver's seat was sixteen inches from the front of the driver's doorframe. The passenger seat was backed up nineteen inches. Now, this backs up Sarah's story what she was telling us last week, that the car seat did not seem to be in its usual position, and that she believed that someone other than Jason had dropped the car there. There were also a lot of bullets in the car and a box of ammunition, but Sarah said that wasn't unusual for Jason. He had a collection of guns, and like a lot of people in this area, he liked to go shooting, but police did not find any of his weapons there. The detective did find a lot of empty drink bottles in the car, including lippten iced tea in San Pellegrino. He swabbed each of the bottles and took samples from around the car. Police carefully packed the evidence. The detective noted the methods he used to maintain chain of custody, and I just want to say, I know we criticized law enforcement a lot here, and I always want to take a minute to acknowledge when a job is thoroughly done, and it was thoroughly done at that crime scene. Police also noticed that there was some damage to the trunk's lock. It looked like it might have been busted open. There were also some pawn slips in the vehicle. Now in the police report, it's noted Jason did pawn one of his weapons, but what about the rest of the guns. Did Jason pawn those guns himself or did someone else do it? And could that have been the same person who broke into the trunk. Police submitted a search warrant on February tenth to Verizon, Jason's cell phone carrier, and to Google to access Jason's Gmail account. They got the information back within a week. On February fifth, police came to Jason and Sarah's apartment in Faible they searched Jason's room, they took a DNA sample from his toothbrush. Now, during this time, Sarah was reaching out to Jason's friends, and some of them were being helpful, though later Sarah said she wasn't sure if they were trying to help her or trying to misdirect. One of these people was Don Don, Remember, was the friend who drove Jason to Miriam's house, and Don was around during crucial parts of the next few days. After Sarah started posting on social media about Jason's disappearance, Don sent Sarah a message on Facebook explaining that Jason's Harley Davidson night Train motorcycle was at his friend Randall and Rachel's house. These were the friends whom Jason had been staying with before he came to Miriam's on the twenty first. Jason's motorcycle keys, by the way, were never found, so that part of the timeline does gel with what Sarah said and with Miriam's description of what happened. Remember, she said Jason didn't want to take his motorcycle to her house and that he had left it parked at Randall's. It's just a guess, but I imagine the reason the motorcycle keys were never found is because they were with Jason, and those keys might be wherever Jason is. There's a podcast that a journalist named Nicole Castile made called Hell in the Highlands. She did a long interview with Miriam. Now, between that interview and the material that Miriam put on social media, Miriam has given a lot of details about what happened during the time when Jason was at her house. As we said before, at first, things seemed great, everyone was having fun, but on January twenty third, things started to get weird. On that day, Miriam said, Jason and Don left the house together. Miriam told multiple people that Jason's Duffel bag was with him when he left the house. She said he threw it in the back of Don's truck as he was leaving. According to Miriam, Jason said he would come back later to hang out with Miriam again. And as Miriam's telling this story, it's hard to figure out she only realized that in hindsight, or if that's something that was weighing on her mind, because it did seem like there was tension building in the days leading up to Jason's disappearance like something bad was gonna happen. Miriam said on that podcast that apparently Don and Jason at some point ran into Aarin on the dirt road, and Miriam said that Aaron stopped at her house for a few minutes. I've heard through multiple people, and this is just a rumor. I don't know if it's true, but that Aarin had had an on and off relationship with Miriam. And I only note that because I'm looking for any potential conflicts that could have happened. But a member of Aaron's family contacted me and said that Aarin was not at that property after January twenty first. But either way, there is no indication that Aarin saw Jason at all on the twenty third or any time after that. And bring this up because remember later Aaron's van was stolen, and when he called the police and they came to his house, Jason's clothes were on the porch. I'm just trying to understand exactly what chain of events led to that. Later that same day, on January twenty third, Jason and Don went to Don's property. During this time, Don supposedly took a shower. Miriam claims that she took a nap and woke up several hours later, and it was already dark. She was in the house by herself. She said that Don showed up and was hysterical now. She also said that at some point Don told Miriam that Jason had agreed to have some sort of a homosexual encounter with him. She said at the time she did not believe that, but when Don got back to the house without Jason, he said that he and Jason had been in his truck together and that Jason had randomly jumped out of the truck by a waterfall. While she's digesting this, a little while later, a friend of theirs named Reese had stopped by the house and they asked Rees to go out and get Jason. So Reese did that and he brought Jason back to Miriam's house. Miriam said she went out to Reese's vehicle and Jason was asleep in Reese's truck. When Jason came back to Miriam's house, he was acting very strangely, like something traumatic had happened. Whatever was going on, Don and Jason had clearly had some kind of issue out there, and there was tension. But over the course of the night. From what Miriam said, it seemed like things got somewhat back to normal. Everyone seemed to be getting along again. Miriam said she didn't want to pride. Jason was exhausted, and so everyone just went to bed. Miriam said something else. She said that after that morning, when Jason had thrown his Duffel bag in Don's truck, he had left his duffel bag at Don's. We'll come back to that bag and the rest of Jason's stuff in a little bit, but just remember that, because again we need to know where every piece of physical evidence is. That is key. According to Miriam, on January twenty third, that duffelbag went to Down's and she never saw it again. Now we come to the most crucial part of the timeline January twenty fourth, twenty twenty two. Sometime in the afternoon of January twenty fourth, Jason went outside. Miriam said he went to take a walk, but then she said Jason did not come back as it was getting dark. Miriam claimed that she called Jason and asked what he was doing, and he said that he was hunting. She asked him if he needed a ride. He said he did not need a ride. Yet another guy they knew, a guy named Shane who was friends with Miriam and Jason, came over. He was apparently doing some work at the property. Now, at this time, Jason still was not back, so at around eight thirty pm, they called Jason and asked again if he needed a ride, and this time he said yes, so Shane went out and picked him up. Shane was driving a champagne colored Pathfinder and he picked Jason up at the end of the dirt road and drove him back to Miriam's again. When Jason came back to Miriams, according to her, she said that night he asked to use the washing machine. He wanted to wash some clothes. But while he was washing clothes, apparently he was walking around naked in the yard and acting very confused. Miriam used the word schizophrenic. She said he looked like he was having some kind of a mental issue, and when Miriam started talking to Jason, she said that he had a strange story. Miriam claims Jason told her that the police were at the end of the dirt road, that they had put him in a barrel and rolled him down a hill. Miriam said that Jason's knuckles were bloody. It looked like something had happened out there. Now, excuse my language, but I just want to pause to say this is a fucked up story, and I do wonder why she didn't act ask him more questions at this point. But then I also remembered there were drugs being consumed, and it is possible for people to hallucinate and imagine things that aren't there and become paranoid. So I'm not sure exactly what went down, but from what Miriam said, it seemed like she thought maybe he was just hallucinating. Miriam said after Jason told her that strange story, she told him go downstairs and take a shower, get something to eat, and come upstairs. She said she went upstairs to bed. Jason went downstairs, according to her, and she said she heard the shower start running. She said that was the last time she knew for sure that she had seen Jason. Miriam said she went to sleep. Now again, the stories we've heard have been slightly different because she has stated that at some point the night before, Jason was lying on her bed wrapped in one of her blankets. That was a blanket that she apparently later identified on Aaron's porch, but either way in both versions of the story, Miriam said on the morning of January twenty fifth, she does not remember seeing Jason at all. Miriam said on that day, Dawn woke her up pretty abruptly. She needed to go to town to get some groceries. She ran downstairs and pretty much straight out the door. She and Charity did some errands. They were cashing checks at a convenience store called Shawna's Corner in Huntsville. By the way, it sounds like a lot of people were cashing checks at this place. So if anyone out there knows people from Shawna's Corner, I would really really love to talk to them because they could have checks in their possession that have dates on them, and those dates could become really crucial. I have no idea if the police have talked to them or not, but I would like to talk to them. Miriam said that on that day she and Charity also drove across the border to Missouri to meet a guy named Moses. They shot guns at Moses's house and basically waited for him to score them some drugs, some meth. Based on what she said, Miriam said after all that they got home after dark around nine pm. No one was in the house. Don and Jason were gone. She said Don had sent her text messages at around four pm and said that he and Jason had left at five point twenty. That afternoon, another message came in from Jason. This was the one with the picture of the bottom half of someone's legs wearing a pair of jeans and some brown suede boots. Miriam said the message didn't make a lot of sense to her, but she thought maybe Jason had sent the message from her property. She said she recognized the tree in the picture as a tree from her property, and she said that she checked on iPhone to figure out the day and time when the picture was taken. Based on what she saw, she said she figured out the picture was actually taken the day before. The way she explained this was that because she lives in this remote area, sometimes if you're in an area that's out of cell service, messages will come in out of order. I've looked at that picture several times, and I have to say I find it strange that she would recognize a tree in the middle of the woods. Then again, it is her property. I'd also really like to know how she verified that that text had been sent the day before. I would be very interested to see the digital evidence of that. I know it's possible for phones to pop in and out of service out there, but if that text message was sent for Miriam's property. I would also note that the messages that Jason sent to his sister Sarah from the time when he was at Miriam's on the twenty fourth, they all got to Sarah in order, and they were all blue. This wasn't the only cryptic picture that Miriam shared on social media. She also shared something else, a photo of a noose hanging from a tree at night, one that she said was found on her property. I just want to take a minute to talk about the noos because it tains to something else that has come up during this case. Odinism. Now, for those of you who may not be familiar with this, Odinism is a religion. It's an ancient Nordic religion and it's based on the worship of the pagan gods, including Thor and Odin. So people who follow this religion, and there are a lot of different branches, just like with anything else, but they typically do things like where pendance of Thor's hammer. Sometimes they go and read poetry and have rituals in the woods. Sometimes they sacrifice animals. In recent years, this religion has taken on another context because it's also been a religion that a lot of white supremacist groups, especially in prison, have taken up. Apparently they believe Christianity in that whole turn the other cheap mentality is too passive for today's world, so they chose to worship the old gods. From what Miriam said, one of the people staying at her house is an odonist, and she posted pages from what she said is this person's journal online, and in those pages it seems to indicate that on January twenty fourth, from around seven forty five pm to nine ish, this person was out in the woods doing his ceremony and then he went into his room. There's no indication that this person had any type of conflict with Jason. I'm only bringing it up because there was a noose found in the woods. So there have been a lot of rumors that Jason could have been sacrificed, or that it was some kind of satanic ritual, and I just want to say there's absolutely no evidence of any of that. There's also, by the way, no evidence that the person who is practicing Odinism has any connection to white supremacy. What we learned was that this was someone who was performing a ritual out in the woods. That's what the news was for, and it had nothing to do with Jason Larrell. Here's Jay Brown.

Talking about it organism, which is of the spin off of Norse paganism. That time frame, the time of year was when they would have been celebrating Yule Blot, and it's a reference I believe to Odin hanging in a tree for basically nine days, and it goes into the deeper parts of the religion. But I think it's just metaphoric for that, not unlike a Christian would hang across up at Christiana High.

Talking about it organism, which is of the spin off of Norse paganism. That time frame, the time of year was when they would have been celebrating Yule Blot, and it's a reference I believe to Odin hanging in a tree for basically nine days, and it goes into the deeper parts of the religion. But I think it's just metaphoric for that, not unlike a Christian would hang across up at Christiana High.

So let's go back to the police investigation. I did a freedom of information request and I got the police report from Fayetbule. So let's see if the story any of these people told police matched what Miriam and others have said on social media. On February seventh, police called Don. According to the police report, Don first told law enforcement that he took Jason to Miriam's and I'm reading the report verbatim here, it reads quote he meaning Don said Miriam told him Jason walked away from her residence was not heard from again. End quote. So Don told police that Miriam was the last person to see Jason, but when police called Miriam, she had a completely different story. She told police Jason was picked up by Don on or around January twenty fourth, and that after Jason left with Don, she never saw him again. We're going to go into more of these discrepancies a little bit later, but right now I want to flag something else up because Miriam also said something else that was very interesting. She said Don had a sexual interest in Jason. Later, Don met with police, and at that meeting, Don had changed his story. He said he picked Jason up and took him to his home on January twenty fifth. This is all according to documents provided by the police. Don told police that he was in the bathroom and Jason walked out of his house and that Don had not seen him since. Again, this appears to be a different story from the one he originally told police. Now this police report reads quote Don said everything was fine and there was no sexual activity between the two. Don said he did not proposition Jason for sex. Don said he took a shower around eight pm. When he got out of the shower, he noticed Jason had walked out of the house, and Don saw him walking toward the end of his driveway. Don said that was the last time he had seen or heard from Jason, and that he had no idea why he left the house or where he was headed. Don said that he took Jason's clothes back to Miriam's house because he believed Jason would go back there, but police also talked to Don's father, Daniel, and Daniel said that he found some clothing items black gloves and a T shirt scattered near their mailbox and that he'd given them to Don. Police looked at the clothes and confirmed that they belonged to Jason, and they found something else. Inside don truck, they found more of Jason stuff, including a black backpack, a black Alaskan Bran jacket, a black Alaskan brand ball cap, and an Alaskan Brand T shirt. Don admitted to the police that this was Jason stuff. Police took Don's phone and in the police report. While police were going through the phone, the report read it appeared messages around the time Don said he had last seen Jason had been deleted. Police also found a Harley Davidson ball cap, a plastic mask, more black gloves and head coverings, plus a brown leather vest. All of these items Don admitted belonged to Jason. This is a huge red flag to me because, first of all, why would Jason leave any of his clothing behind? And secondly, why would he leave his leather bite gear. This stuff is very expensive and in my mind, there's no way he would have left this stuff at Don's house. But then we get to the biggest red flag because police looked inside the wood burning stove and they found clothes in there. The report reads quote during the search, burnt clothing items, along with drug paraphernalia were found partially burnt in the wood burning stove. Don initially denied knowing how the items got into the stove, but later said he had burned his jack rag and was embarrassed to say. The shirt had been cut off around the neck and in half. Don said he cut the shirt to make it a midriff because he wanted it to fit tight. The shirt did not appear to have semen or other bodily fluids on it end quote, why would Don be cutting and burning clothes? Also, that Jack rag comment made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, because in my experience, often in cases, someone will say there's a piece of cloth that they masturbated into present somewhere. They do that to explain the presence of their DNA somewhere where potentially it shouldn't be. If that was a washcloth that Don was masturbating into, why would he burn it instead of just throwing it in the washing machine. After going through Don's phone, police got a search warrant for that phone. They also talked to Randall's son, Randall, Jason's friend whose house he was staying with before going to Miriam's on the twenty first. Randall's son told police that he was suspicious of Don because of Don's sexually aggressive behavior toward men. That's exactly how you put it, and Randall's son said he was afraid that Jason may have been killed. He said he believed that police should search around beaver Lake. Beaver Lake is just a few miles from Don and Miriam's properties. Police were also processing the search warrants from Jason's phone and Gmail account. Verizon records showed Jason's phone last pinged on January twenty seventh from a cell phone tower located on on the Highway twenty three in Carroll County. Data mapping showed the area of that ping to be in Madison County, in close proximity to both Don and Miriam's residences. They also discovered that Jason's phone was shut down or turned off on January twenty seventh, and that explains why the last text message that Sarah sent to Jason's cell phone, which was sent on the twenty seventh, turned green not blue, because Jason's phone was almost certainly already switched off. The police report reads quote Jason's last known location was at Don's residence in Huntsville, Arkansas, on or around one twenty five, twenty twenty two. In the police report, they mentioned they have contacted several other individuals and the most consistent information obtained is that Don was the last person seen with Jason. They talk about some of the theories that have been suggested to investigators, including that Jason had been dumped in Beaver Lake or buried or burnt on Miriam's property. Then they had other people telling him that Jason had possibly given himself a lethal dose of drugs and then walked away from his own and died from an overdose. So let's take these theories one by one. The theory that Jason gave himself a lethal dose of something and then wandered off on his own seems pretty absurd. I guess theoretically it's possible, but let's be real, there are many other possibilities we need to consider before that, considering that people's stories don't match about when they last saw Jason. By the way, there were a lot of people at Miriam's house over that few day period. Why haven't police put them into an interrogation room and questioned them separately. A lot of people that Jason interacted with before he disappeared did have criminal histories. Jay Brown has been working on a theory he says he's found as evidence that he believes points to multiple people being involved in Jason's murder. He believes that some of these people may have thought that Jason was a police informant, possibly making a controlled drug buy. We do know that a lot of the people in this case have been arrested on drug charges, including Don Aaron and Miriam and Moses, the guy who Mariam and Charity got drugs from on January twenty fifth. By the way, I am not suggesting that being arrested for drugs means that anyone would have anything to do with a murder. I'm just trying to explore everyone's background so that I can figure out whether or not them being afraid of a controlled by or possibly having a nark on that property would be something that would motivate them to hurt someone. Miriam was charged in twenty twenty one with possession of methamphetamines and other controlled substances. Moses was most recently arrested in charge with second degree battery after allegedly breaking bones in a woman's face, and he was also hit with forty counts of issuing bad checks. Aaron was arrested on July twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, after allegedly delivering drugs to a victim who ended up dying from a drug overdose. The toxicology report showed the victim tested positive for benzo oxycodone, morphine, and benzodiazepines, the active ingredient of valium. Aarin was arrested and charged with death by delivery. Again, just to clarify, there's absolutely no suggestion that this overdose was anything other than accidental. It's just the way the charging was phrased. A family member of Aarons, who was speaking on his behalf, did reach out to me to clarify a couple of points about that stolen van. We know from the police report that the van was reported stolen and it was towed back to Erin's and returned to him on January twenty fifth. This person told me that Aaron was allegedly the one who called the police to tell them that those clothes were on his property. That's when police came to his residence and found that ball of clothes on Aaron's porch, including clothing items that one of Jason's relatives identified as belonging to him, and the blanket that Miriam allegedly identified as the one that came from her house, the one that Jason was wrapped in. And again this person clarified Aaron had zero involvement in any of this, he was not at Miriam's after the twenty first, during that crucial time period, and that he's been fully cooperative of law enforcement at every point in this investigation. I really appreciate it when people reach out to me, because I know it would be nice to think that we should just let the police do their jobs and they're going to handle it. But I have to be honest with you. There have been a lot of people that I've spoken to who, in my opinion, the police should have followed up with by now. So if we want to get answers in this case, sometimes you can rely on law enforcement to do everything. You really have to get statements yourself, put everything in a report and try to get it to the right person. I still wonder how much do these people know and when did they know it. Police, of course, haven't revealed much. They made a kind of cryptic comment and said that Jason's friends were a tight circle of people with a very wide footprint. There are a lot of weird rumors and rabbit trails in this case. But if we just keep it to the basics to what we know, someone knows something. We know who was on those premises over the days when Jason was there, and the window of time, that crucial period of time when Jason disappeared. The window of possibility is getting smaller and smaller as we reach out to more and more people. I just want to go back to the beginning really quickly and touch on Clint Phillips because that's where we started. Because actually, Clint Phillips has nothing to do with Jason case. His only connection was that he had acquaintances who mentioned his name when they got arrested and tried to pretend to be him. Clint Phillips did know Jason. They also knew each other from Huntsville High School. A lot of times in these cases, we'll talk about six degrees of separation, but in Madison County there appear to be two at most. As we said in our last episode, Clint Phillips has been in and out of prison over the years. He was arrested on metamphetamine charges, and last time I checked, he was incarcerated. Jay Brown commented on this connection. Here he's talking about one of the officers involved in the case, Clint Ham, who is apparently Jimmy evans brother in law. He's asking if they are related, why was Deputy Ham allegedly the person who questioned Jimmy Evans, and if that should be a conflict of interest all of.

So let's go back to the police investigation. I did a freedom of information request and I got the police report from Fayetbule. So let's see if the story any of these people told police matched what Miriam and others have said on social media. On February seventh, police called Don. According to the police report, Don first told law enforcement that he took Jason to Miriam's and I'm reading the report verbatim here, it reads quote he meaning Don said Miriam told him Jason walked away from her residence was not heard from again. End quote. So Don told police that Miriam was the last person to see Jason, but when police called Miriam, she had a completely different story. She told police Jason was picked up by Don on or around January twenty fourth, and that after Jason left with Don, she never saw him again. We're going to go into more of these discrepancies a little bit later, but right now I want to flag something else up because Miriam also said something else that was very interesting. She said Don had a sexual interest in Jason. Later, Don met with police, and at that meeting, Don had changed his story. He said he picked Jason up and took him to his home on January twenty fifth. This is all according to documents provided by the police. Don told police that he was in the bathroom and Jason walked out of his house and that Don had not seen him since. Again, this appears to be a different story from the one he originally told police. Now this police report reads quote Don said everything was fine and there was no sexual activity between the two. Don said he did not proposition Jason for sex. Don said he took a shower around eight pm. When he got out of the shower, he noticed Jason had walked out of the house, and Don saw him walking toward the end of his driveway. Don said that was the last time he had seen or heard from Jason, and that he had no idea why he left the house or where he was headed. Don said that he took Jason's clothes back to Miriam's house because he believed Jason would go back there, but police also talked to Don's father, Daniel, and Daniel said that he found some clothing items black gloves and a T shirt scattered near their mailbox and that he'd given them to Don. Police looked at the clothes and confirmed that they belonged to Jason, and they found something else. Inside don truck, they found more of Jason stuff, including a black backpack, a black Alaskan Bran jacket, a black Alaskan brand ball cap, and an Alaskan Brand T shirt. Don admitted to the police that this was Jason stuff. Police took Don's phone and in the police report. While police were going through the phone, the report read it appeared messages around the time Don said he had last seen Jason had been deleted. Police also found a Harley Davidson ball cap, a plastic mask, more black gloves and head coverings, plus a brown leather vest. All of these items Don admitted belonged to Jason. This is a huge red flag to me because, first of all, why would Jason leave any of his clothing behind? And secondly, why would he leave his leather bite gear. This stuff is very expensive and in my mind, there's no way he would have left this stuff at Don's house. But then we get to the biggest red flag because police looked inside the wood burning stove and they found clothes in there. The report reads quote during the search, burnt clothing items, along with drug paraphernalia were found partially burnt in the wood burning stove. Don initially denied knowing how the items got into the stove, but later said he had burned his jack rag and was embarrassed to say. The shirt had been cut off around the neck and in half. Don said he cut the shirt to make it a midriff because he wanted it to fit tight. The shirt did not appear to have semen or other bodily fluids on it end quote, why would Don be cutting and burning clothes? Also, that Jack rag comment made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, because in my experience, often in cases, someone will say there's a piece of cloth that they masturbated into present somewhere. They do that to explain the presence of their DNA somewhere where potentially it shouldn't be. If that was a washcloth that Don was masturbating into, why would he burn it instead of just throwing it in the washing machine. After going through Don's phone, police got a search warrant for that phone. They also talked to Randall's son, Randall, Jason's friend whose house he was staying with before going to Miriam's on the twenty first. Randall's son told police that he was suspicious of Don because of Don's sexually aggressive behavior toward men. That's exactly how you put it, and Randall's son said he was afraid that Jason may have been killed. He said he believed that police should search around beaver Lake. Beaver Lake is just a few miles from Don and Miriam's properties. Police were also processing the search warrants from Jason's phone and Gmail account. Verizon records showed Jason's phone last pinged on January twenty seventh from a cell phone tower located on on the Highway twenty three in Carroll County. Data mapping showed the area of that ping to be in Madison County, in close proximity to both Don and Miriam's residences. They also discovered that Jason's phone was shut down or turned off on January twenty seventh, and that explains why the last text message that Sarah sent to Jason's cell phone, which was sent on the twenty seventh, turned green not blue, because Jason's phone was almost certainly already switched off. The police report reads quote Jason's last known location was at Don's residence in Huntsville, Arkansas, on or around one twenty five, twenty twenty two. In the police report, they mentioned they have contacted several other individuals and the most consistent information obtained is that Don was the last person seen with Jason. They talk about some of the theories that have been suggested to investigators, including that Jason had been dumped in Beaver Lake or buried or burnt on Miriam's property. Then they had other people telling him that Jason had possibly given himself a lethal dose of drugs and then walked away from his own and died from an overdose. So let's take these theories one by one. The theory that Jason gave himself a lethal dose of something and then wandered off on his own seems pretty absurd. I guess theoretically it's possible, but let's be real, there are many other possibilities we need to consider before that, considering that people's stories don't match about when they last saw Jason. By the way, there were a lot of people at Miriam's house over that few day period. Why haven't police put them into an interrogation room and questioned them separately. A lot of people that Jason interacted with before he disappeared did have criminal histories. Jay Brown has been working on a theory he says he's found as evidence that he believes points to multiple people being involved in Jason's murder. He believes that some of these people may have thought that Jason was a police informant, possibly making a controlled drug buy. We do know that a lot of the people in this case have been arrested on drug charges, including Don Aaron and Miriam and Moses, the guy who Mariam and Charity got drugs from on January twenty fifth. By the way, I am not suggesting that being arrested for drugs means that anyone would have anything to do with a murder. I'm just trying to explore everyone's background so that I can figure out whether or not them being afraid of a controlled by or possibly having a nark on that property would be something that would motivate them to hurt someone. Miriam was charged in twenty twenty one with possession of methamphetamines and other controlled substances. Moses was most recently arrested in charge with second degree battery after allegedly breaking bones in a woman's face, and he was also hit with forty counts of issuing bad checks. Aaron was arrested on July twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, after allegedly delivering drugs to a victim who ended up dying from a drug overdose. The toxicology report showed the victim tested positive for benzo oxycodone, morphine, and benzodiazepines, the active ingredient of valium. Aarin was arrested and charged with death by delivery. Again, just to clarify, there's absolutely no suggestion that this overdose was anything other than accidental. It's just the way the charging was phrased. A family member of Aarons, who was speaking on his behalf, did reach out to me to clarify a couple of points about that stolen van. We know from the police report that the van was reported stolen and it was towed back to Erin's and returned to him on January twenty fifth. This person told me that Aaron was allegedly the one who called the police to tell them that those clothes were on his property. That's when police came to his residence and found that ball of clothes on Aaron's porch, including clothing items that one of Jason's relatives identified as belonging to him, and the blanket that Miriam allegedly identified as the one that came from her house, the one that Jason was wrapped in. And again this person clarified Aaron had zero involvement in any of this, he was not at Miriam's after the twenty first, during that crucial time period, and that he's been fully cooperative of law enforcement at every point in this investigation. I really appreciate it when people reach out to me, because I know it would be nice to think that we should just let the police do their jobs and they're going to handle it. But I have to be honest with you. There have been a lot of people that I've spoken to who, in my opinion, the police should have followed up with by now. So if we want to get answers in this case, sometimes you can rely on law enforcement to do everything. You really have to get statements yourself, put everything in a report and try to get it to the right person. I still wonder how much do these people know and when did they know it. Police, of course, haven't revealed much. They made a kind of cryptic comment and said that Jason's friends were a tight circle of people with a very wide footprint. There are a lot of weird rumors and rabbit trails in this case. But if we just keep it to the basics to what we know, someone knows something. We know who was on those premises over the days when Jason was there, and the window of time, that crucial period of time when Jason disappeared. The window of possibility is getting smaller and smaller as we reach out to more and more people. I just want to go back to the beginning really quickly and touch on Clint Phillips because that's where we started. Because actually, Clint Phillips has nothing to do with Jason case. His only connection was that he had acquaintances who mentioned his name when they got arrested and tried to pretend to be him. Clint Phillips did know Jason. They also knew each other from Huntsville High School. A lot of times in these cases, we'll talk about six degrees of separation, but in Madison County there appear to be two at most. As we said in our last episode, Clint Phillips has been in and out of prison over the years. He was arrested on metamphetamine charges, and last time I checked, he was incarcerated. Jay Brown commented on this connection. Here he's talking about one of the officers involved in the case, Clint Ham, who is apparently Jimmy evans brother in law. He's asking if they are related, why was Deputy Ham allegedly the person who questioned Jimmy Evans, and if that should be a conflict of interest all of.

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Jason's sister, Sarah is still searching for answers, and not only has she had to deal with her brother being missing, but she's also had predatory people messaging her telling her they would give her information about her brother if she would send them money. She kept going because she never knew who might have a piece of crucial information about Jason's case. She reached out to everyone she could think of, and this includes Jimmy Evans. We still don't know what, if anything, Jimmy Evans told officers about what he allegedly knew about capital murder or about Jason. Lirell Jay Brown talked about how he was able to get a FOYA, which mentioned Jimmy's arrest. He also touched on his frustrations with the system because even though he used to work in law enforcement and he knows how the works, he still says he's getting Stone.

Jason's sister, Sarah is still searching for answers, and not only has she had to deal with her brother being missing, but she's also had predatory people messaging her telling her they would give her information about her brother if she would send them money. She kept going because she never knew who might have a piece of crucial information about Jason's case. She reached out to everyone she could think of, and this includes Jimmy Evans. We still don't know what, if anything, Jimmy Evans told officers about what he allegedly knew about capital murder or about Jason. Lirell Jay Brown talked about how he was able to get a FOYA, which mentioned Jimmy's arrest. He also touched on his frustrations with the system because even though he used to work in law enforcement and he knows how the works, he still says he's getting Stone.

Especially gives an outline of when Jimmy came in, he was giving the BS name so on and so forth. He's threatened to take him to the APIs machine and you know, charging for every false name he gave. And that's when Jimmy made the utterance, you know, Jay Madison County's gonna want to talk to me about homicide. And then they collected his blood so closed submitted evidence that part we can't get information on. Trust me. I took me three months to get my foy s Slash Sunshine Line request out of Barry County. I had to threaten, I had to contact a member of the county administration and then and I had a pretty direct conversation with him, saying, listen, if I don't get what I want, I'm going to get an attorney. I'm gonna file suit for it. And beyond that, I'm also going to file a complained with Missouri statyturn General's office. So I've had to get pre assertive and it's been it's been a roller coasters, it's been a writing.

Especially gives an outline of when Jimmy came in, he was giving the BS name so on and so forth. He's threatened to take him to the APIs machine and you know, charging for every false name he gave. And that's when Jimmy made the utterance, you know, Jay Madison County's gonna want to talk to me about homicide. And then they collected his blood so closed submitted evidence that part we can't get information on. Trust me. I took me three months to get my foy s Slash Sunshine Line request out of Barry County. I had to threaten, I had to contact a member of the county administration and then and I had a pretty direct conversation with him, saying, listen, if I don't get what I want, I'm going to get an attorney. I'm gonna file suit for it. And beyond that, I'm also going to file a complained with Missouri statyturn General's office. So I've had to get pre assertive and it's been it's been a roller coasters, it's been a writing.

Sarah wonders what role Jimmy Evans has in all this. On January twenty eighth, right after her brother went missing, Sarah got which she described as a very weird social media call from Jimmy Evans, who at that point, she said she hadn't heard from in years. It read can I ask a favor Sarah Jean. Then two minutes later there was a messenger call, which because it was in the middle of the night, she missed. She later messaged him back, writing where the fuck is my brother? Last I heard he was with you When they did talk, Jimmy told Sarah he had no idea what happened to Jason. He said he was only at Miriams for a few minutes very early in Jason stay there, and that when he saw Jason it was the first time he'd seen Jason in like eight years. He said. After he left Miriams, he texted Jason and told him to get out of there. Jimmy implied to Sarah he had a bad feeling about Jason being there. He told Sarah he never heard from Jason again after that. Sarah did give Jimmy some money in the end, she wrote on social media quote, believing that he may have information to find you, he basically swindled me out of around three hundred dollars. I was desperate to find you and would have come up with, however much money that would take. Recently, I've been told there may have been a confession to murdering you by jim when he went to jail in Barry County. This, like many stories, may not be true, and I definitely hope not because if it is true, it means that I gave money I didn't have to the person that killed you. End quote. I can't imagine the torment that Sarah is going through. The bottom line is she is not the one who should have to be investigating her brother's case. I wonder too, what was that miscall really about. Was it really just about putting money on a phone, or was there something else that Jimmy wanted to tell Sarah that night. Police have asked anyone with any information that could help find Jason to contact the Madison County Sheriff's Department at four seven nine seven three eight two three two zero or the FBI Little Rocket five oho one two two one nine to one zero zero. The FBI is also in and there is a thirty thousand dollars reward for any information that will lead to the location and recovery of Jason Lirell. The way they phrased. It just makes my heart sink because they use the term recovery there, and it just makes me think about Sarah and the rest of the family and the fact that they have no body, they have no way to grieve and no peace. And I really urge everyone out there to think about this. Think about if this was your friend, your brother, your son, wouldn't you want someone to come forward? And I think about Jason during those last days. Clearly something bad was happening to him. He was becoming injured and confused, and he was hurting. I wonder why didn't he leave? And then I think about a quote from a book that I reread recently called Norwegian Wood by Hruki Murakami, and that quote goes like this, if you're in pitch blackness, all you can do is sit tight until your eyes get used to the dart. That makes me think about how vulnerable Jason was, and I wish that someone, the right person, had been there to guide him out of those dark woods. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts. Music contributed by Ben Sale, Executive producers of Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr, and Elsie Crowley. If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder Line. It's six seven eight seven four four, six one four or five. That's six seven eight seven four four six, one four or five. School of Humans.

Sarah wonders what role Jimmy Evans has in all this. On January twenty eighth, right after her brother went missing, Sarah got which she described as a very weird social media call from Jimmy Evans, who at that point, she said she hadn't heard from in years. It read can I ask a favor Sarah Jean. Then two minutes later there was a messenger call, which because it was in the middle of the night, she missed. She later messaged him back, writing where the fuck is my brother? Last I heard he was with you When they did talk, Jimmy told Sarah he had no idea what happened to Jason. He said he was only at Miriams for a few minutes very early in Jason stay there, and that when he saw Jason it was the first time he'd seen Jason in like eight years. He said. After he left Miriams, he texted Jason and told him to get out of there. Jimmy implied to Sarah he had a bad feeling about Jason being there. He told Sarah he never heard from Jason again after that. Sarah did give Jimmy some money in the end, she wrote on social media quote, believing that he may have information to find you, he basically swindled me out of around three hundred dollars. I was desperate to find you and would have come up with, however much money that would take. Recently, I've been told there may have been a confession to murdering you by jim when he went to jail in Barry County. This, like many stories, may not be true, and I definitely hope not because if it is true, it means that I gave money I didn't have to the person that killed you. End quote. I can't imagine the torment that Sarah is going through. The bottom line is she is not the one who should have to be investigating her brother's case. I wonder too, what was that miscall really about. Was it really just about putting money on a phone, or was there something else that Jimmy wanted to tell Sarah that night. Police have asked anyone with any information that could help find Jason to contact the Madison County Sheriff's Department at four seven nine seven three eight two three two zero or the FBI Little Rocket five oho one two two one nine to one zero zero. The FBI is also in and there is a thirty thousand dollars reward for any information that will lead to the location and recovery of Jason Lirell. The way they phrased. It just makes my heart sink because they use the term recovery there, and it just makes me think about Sarah and the rest of the family and the fact that they have no body, they have no way to grieve and no peace. And I really urge everyone out there to think about this. Think about if this was your friend, your brother, your son, wouldn't you want someone to come forward? And I think about Jason during those last days. Clearly something bad was happening to him. He was becoming injured and confused, and he was hurting. I wonder why didn't he leave? And then I think about a quote from a book that I reread recently called Norwegian Wood by Hruki Murakami, and that quote goes like this, if you're in pitch blackness, all you can do is sit tight until your eyes get used to the dart. That makes me think about how vulnerable Jason was, and I wish that someone, the right person, had been there to guide him out of those dark woods. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts. Music contributed by Ben Sale, Executive producers of Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr, and Elsie Crowley. If you have a case you'd like me and my team to look into, you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder Line. It's six seven eight seven four four, six one four or five. That's six seven eight seven four four six, one four or five. School of Humans.

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