Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union and Alie Jones read pr hire you two good day. Heather, Hi there, Jordan, you were in that room at the time.

Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union and Alie Jones read pr hire you two good day. Heather, Hi there, Jordan, you were in that room at the time.

I'm literally for my sins at the old GenZ conference and the Wally Thomas Nashy just had on as a classic example of a whole sector that actually just lacked any self awareness. The room yesterday was incredibly rude to the Prime minister. And you know they talk about, oh, that our costs are going up. I'm sorry, look at the stats. Local government is driving inflation up. It's not that costs are going up to that putting up rates. Their rates are going ahead of inflation. And what at the prim Oh, I'm sorry, didn't have some Pennessee a future vision gobbledygook. He said, simply what rate payers across the country is saying and thinking, as you guys have to get a grip. We put out the We've never done this before, but we put out the whole Prime Minister's speech to our two hundred thousand subscribers. We've had more engagement in the last twenty four hours of people coming back. When I went to bed last night and woke up, there was eighteen hundred more email people are absolutely.

I'm literally for my sins at the old GenZ conference and the Wally Thomas Nashy just had on as a classic example of a whole sector that actually just lacked any self awareness. The room yesterday was incredibly rude to the Prime minister. And you know they talk about, oh, that our costs are going up. I'm sorry, look at the stats. Local government is driving inflation up. It's not that costs are going up to that putting up rates. Their rates are going ahead of inflation. And what at the prim Oh, I'm sorry, didn't have some Pennessee a future vision gobbledygook. He said, simply what rate payers across the country is saying and thinking, as you guys have to get a grip. We put out the We've never done this before, but we put out the whole Prime Minister's speech to our two hundred thousand subscribers. We've had more engagement in the last twenty four hours of people coming back. When I went to bed last night and woke up, there was eighteen hundred more email people are absolutely.

Yeah, because he just said what we think, hey little how would they root him?

Yeah, because he just said what we think, hey little how would they root him?

Oh? When Kim Hill thanked him when he got down, there was literally laughter in the room. There were people scoffing at him when he was saying, you know that the party's over, you need to get back to basics.

Oh? When Kim Hill thanked him when he got down, there was literally laughter in the room. There were people scoffing at him when he was saying, you know that the party's over, you need to get back to basics.

I mean I think he should just withhold the money for that, eh, I.

I mean I think he should just withhold the money for that, eh, I.

Mean, Edil, But I recalled two years ago I was on your show when they banned the Taxpayer's union in my board, including some sitting councilors, because they were concerned that we might criticize them. And I said on your show, if algnzed and the local government sector aren't careful, they are going to lose their public mandate. And you can see with this conference it literally even themed Labor read that that is exactly what is happening.

Mean, Edil, But I recalled two years ago I was on your show when they banned the Taxpayer's union in my board, including some sitting councilors, because they were concerned that we might criticize them. And I said on your show, if algnzed and the local government sector aren't careful, they are going to lose their public mandate. And you can see with this conference it literally even themed Labor read that that is exactly what is happening.

Alie, what do you think? I mean? Yeah, you've been involved in council stuff.

Alie, what do you think? I mean? Yeah, you've been involved in council stuff.

Yeah, yeah, I have. And that's what I found absolutely extraordinary about the speech. I wasn't in the room, so Jordan does have the advantage of me. But the so called wally he's just described, I thought held his own very well up against against you, Heather. I think they both made some very good points and it was great to hear a robust but respectful conversation. I agree there are always ways to tie on the belt right, there is always money to be saved. But this is just dog whistle bollocks. Actually, when you've got counselors, counsels and this is what we're having to do at the moment in christ Judge on our community board having to pay for mental health counselors to go into schools because the central government is not wearing that cost. When we're having to pay money to change street layouts to slow traffic down because police are not resourced enough to do their job, then I say that the government should not be throwing stones and glasshouses. They need to actually step up and spend some of the money on the things that they need to spend on and not put it on local government.

Yeah, yeah, I have. And that's what I found absolutely extraordinary about the speech. I wasn't in the room, so Jordan does have the advantage of me. But the so called wally he's just described, I thought held his own very well up against against you, Heather. I think they both made some very good points and it was great to hear a robust but respectful conversation. I agree there are always ways to tie on the belt right, there is always money to be saved. But this is just dog whistle bollocks. Actually, when you've got counselors, counsels and this is what we're having to do at the moment in christ Judge on our community board having to pay for mental health counselors to go into schools because the central government is not wearing that cost. When we're having to pay money to change street layouts to slow traffic down because police are not resourced enough to do their job, then I say that the government should not be throwing stones and glasshouses. They need to actually step up and spend some of the money on the things that they need to spend on and not put it on local government.

Mcpolling is really clear on this that New Zealanders trust central government more than local government around delivering and if if counsels were delivering their core services, well that that argument might fly. But an environment where on average rates when out fourteen percent this year, our infrastructure is crumbling because a smaller and smaller percentage of council budget is actually going for what they say it's going for.

Mcpolling is really clear on this that New Zealanders trust central government more than local government around delivering and if if counsels were delivering their core services, well that that argument might fly. But an environment where on average rates when out fourteen percent this year, our infrastructure is crumbling because a smaller and smaller percentage of council budget is actually going for what they say it's going for.

Well, but your new consulating issues, your conslating issues here, I agree, No, no, no, no, hang on, you had a really good go here. The problem is that our ratings, the system that we use to get rates is flawed. Okay, rates is the sole source of revenue for councils. Is unsustainable.

Well, but your new consulating issues, your conslating issues here, I agree, No, no, no, no, hang on, you had a really good go here. The problem is that our ratings, the system that we use to get rates is flawed. Okay, rates is the sole source of revenue for councils. Is unsustainable.

So now taxes are going to solve this issues. People don't want to give counsel with any taxing powers because they'll know that I've use it. You can't spend the money that you've got as it is, and frankly, the public don't trust local councils with more.

So now taxes are going to solve this issues. People don't want to give counsel with any taxing powers because they'll know that I've use it. You can't spend the money that you've got as it is, and frankly, the public don't trust local councils with more.

Yeah, well that may be the people were asking, but that's not what I'm hearing from ours. I know that rates are too high, and I know rates cannot every year go up, you know, I mean, it is unsustainable. People can't afford them.

Yeah, well that may be the people were asking, but that's not what I'm hearing from ours. I know that rates are too high, and I know rates cannot every year go up, you know, I mean, it is unsustainable. People can't afford them.

So only going to que produce a different way doesn't solve the problem. We're just going to tap a different way, of course, not it's coming from the same community, Elly.

So only going to que produce a different way doesn't solve the problem. We're just going to tap a different way, of course, not it's coming from the same community, Elly.

Can you do? That's what I'm saying. It needs to come from the government more, it is wrong to the Prime Minister to say, come on, guys, tighten your belt when they're passing a whole lot of costs onto local government themselves by not doing their job.

Can you do? That's what I'm saying. It needs to come from the government more, it is wrong to the Prime Minister to say, come on, guys, tighten your belt when they're passing a whole lot of costs onto local government themselves by not doing their job.

All he explains something to me. The reaction from the mayors and the counselors last night was that genuine shock that he would deign to say something like that, or is that because they genuinely believe that their spending is awesome.

All he explains something to me. The reaction from the mayors and the counselors last night was that genuine shock that he would deign to say something like that, or is that because they genuinely believe that their spending is awesome.

Look, I think it's probably political, Heather. You know, I know when I look at the community board makeup in christ Church, there's a very central left makeup of those community boards. And I imagine I think as was alluded to in the conversation you had before that, but there was probably a very center left feeling at the LGNZ conference. I just texted one of my council colleagues who's very center right, and I said, what was your take on it? And he said, I actually agreed with every word he said. So, Look, I think I do think it's a political thing, but we've got to have this conversation without this month slingeress slinging. I did agree with that, What the hell did that achieve? Yesterday coming from the Prime Minister.

Look, I think it's probably political, Heather. You know, I know when I look at the community board makeup in christ Church, there's a very central left makeup of those community boards. And I imagine I think as was alluded to in the conversation you had before that, but there was probably a very center left feeling at the LGNZ conference. I just texted one of my council colleagues who's very center right, and I said, what was your take on it? And he said, I actually agreed with every word he said. So, Look, I think I do think it's a political thing, but we've got to have this conversation without this month slingeress slinging. I did agree with that, What the hell did that achieve? Yesterday coming from the Prime Minister.

I know it made me feel really good. I'm hoping that I have makes some rain in their spending, because otherwise I ain't going to get more money. Right, we're back of the huddle, Jordan Williams and Ali Jones. Ali, this falling out between Raiser and Leonor's obviously big enough for one of them to have to depart. Is this shaking your faith in the Razor era?

I know it made me feel really good. I'm hoping that I have makes some rain in their spending, because otherwise I ain't going to get more money. Right, we're back of the huddle, Jordan Williams and Ali Jones. Ali, this falling out between Raiser and Leonor's obviously big enough for one of them to have to depart. Is this shaking your faith in the Razor era?

Well, look, I'm no expert on rugby go the Welsh, but I do remember Leon mc donald was stoked to get the assistant coaching job. I think when it was announced last year he said, You've got to be really really ready to be the coach of the All Blacks. It's not something you rush into. So yeah, I guess you got to ask yourself why were key things like strategy, style, direction, whatever not discussed and understood. That's kind of the sense that I'm getting. I mean, if you start going out with someone, if you marry someone, don't you ask them if they want.

Well, look, I'm no expert on rugby go the Welsh, but I do remember Leon mc donald was stoked to get the assistant coaching job. I think when it was announced last year he said, You've got to be really really ready to be the coach of the All Blacks. It's not something you rush into. So yeah, I guess you got to ask yourself why were key things like strategy, style, direction, whatever not discussed and understood. That's kind of the sense that I'm getting. I mean, if you start going out with someone, if you marry someone, don't you ask them if they want.

To have kids. That's the problem, isn't it. That is the problem right there?

To have kids. That's the problem, isn't it. That is the problem right there?

Yeah, I mean these are guys that are both credible in their own right, clearly there's been some sort of falling out and we'll probably won't know or we'll have to pay the forty bucks to buy the book and in ten years time cannot wait.

Yeah, I mean these are guys that are both credible in their own right, clearly there's been some sort of falling out and we'll probably won't know or we'll have to pay the forty bucks to buy the book and in ten years time cannot wait.

I'm genuinely shocked, Elie, that kids can't even talk properly when they go to school because of how much time they're spending on screens.

I'm genuinely shocked, Elie, that kids can't even talk properly when they go to school because of how much time they're spending on screens.

What about you?

What about you?

Yeah, look, I think it's really really sad. You know, I was thinking about my kids and you know, they were at Kindian preschool in the early two thousands, and I mean they were real chatterboxes. Know who do you say earlier? You know, once they get into preschool and that socialization, you just can't stop them. I mean, both of mine are great talkers. They could talk, could glass eye to sleep. But you know, you didn't have the internet and iPad some smartphones as much in those days. Maybe we need to teach this stuff at school. Maybe there needs to be you know, parenting taught at school and this is part of that. And at the same time, let's teach kids about finances and cooking. I don't know we roll it together.

Yeah, look, I think it's really really sad. You know, I was thinking about my kids and you know, they were at Kindian preschool in the early two thousands, and I mean they were real chatterboxes. Know who do you say earlier? You know, once they get into preschool and that socialization, you just can't stop them. I mean, both of mine are great talkers. They could talk, could glass eye to sleep. But you know, you didn't have the internet and iPad some smartphones as much in those days. Maybe we need to teach this stuff at school. Maybe there needs to be you know, parenting taught at school and this is part of that. And at the same time, let's teach kids about finances and cooking. I don't know we roll it together.

I mean, Jordan, I don't know what the solution is. I don't know how you teach parents to just not be dud parents.

I mean, Jordan, I don't know what the solution is. I don't know how you teach parents to just not be dud parents.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if I got that far, but my the acorn does not fall far from the tree and thing, as you can imagine, my kids have not struggled with the talking.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if I got that far, but my the acorn does not fall far from the tree and thing, as you can imagine, my kids have not struggled with the talking.

I can believe that. Are you limiting their screen time?

I can believe that. Are you limiting their screen time?

Jordan?

Jordan?

Yes, yes, very very much. So how much you're giving them? The other half is a is a pediatric nurse. So ever, I am just the passenger in this.

Yes, yes, very very much. So how much you're giving them? The other half is a is a pediatric nurse. So ever, I am just the passenger in this.

Okay, we'll give us give given that you're basically married to an expert. What is she recommending? What's the what's the allowed amount?

Okay, we'll give us give given that you're basically married to an expert. What is she recommending? What's the what's the allowed amount?

But it's very very generally only if one of them sick or am is sick, that that one of them would that that get very much TV at all. I think I'm more told off for my stream time than probably the kids are.

But it's very very generally only if one of them sick or am is sick, that that one of them would that that get very much TV at all. I think I'm more told off for my stream time than probably the kids are.

Are you one of those parents here?

Are you one of those parents here?

And I travel I traveled so much. My oh my boys now figured out the phone that because I do FaceTime every day when I'm when I'm traveling, and of course I have to come down to Wellington most weeks. But the boy at Little Henry, who is nearly two, he gets he's now figured out the face time and little was he's nearly five.

And I travel I traveled so much. My oh my boys now figured out the phone that because I do FaceTime every day when I'm when I'm traveling, and of course I have to come down to Wellington most weeks. But the boy at Little Henry, who is nearly two, he gets he's now figured out the face time and little was he's nearly five.

No, I can't believe that he's nearly too. Gezu, are you how old?

No, I can't believe that he's nearly too. Gezu, are you how old?

How old is now?

How old is now?

Mustig's two and a half.

Mustig's two and a half.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he said to me the other day, I said, do you want you? Shall we go? And he said not yet? And I was like, oh, I'm so proud of that sentence right there. But you know, because boys like you always worry about boys and they're talking, they take a while. Guys, thank you for chatting to me. Appreciate it. Jordan Williams, Taxpayer's Union. Alie Jones read per not yet, Oh You're so clever.

And he said to me the other day, I said, do you want you? Shall we go? And he said not yet? And I was like, oh, I'm so proud of that sentence right there. But you know, because boys like you always worry about boys and they're talking, they take a while. Guys, thank you for chatting to me. Appreciate it. Jordan Williams, Taxpayer's Union. Alie Jones read per not yet, Oh You're so clever.

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