Democrat and former US ambassador to New Zealand Mark Gilbert is at Howard University, Kamala Harris’ election night headquarters where she is expected to speak very soon. 

Gilbert tells Heather du Plessis-Allan this is not to be a concession speech – instead it is scheduled to follow the polls called in the West Coast. 

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Democrat and former US ambassador to New Zealand Mark Gilbert is at Howard University, Kamala Harris’ election night headquarters where she is expected to speak very soon.&nbsp;
Gilbert tells Heather du Plessis-Allan this is not to be a concession speech – instead it is scheduled to follow the polls called in the West Coast.&nbsp;
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With a straight down the middle approach, Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive on Newstalk ZB delivers the very latest news and views to New Zealanders as they wrap up their day.

Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive

Mark Gilbert: Former US ambassador to NZ on Kamala Harris expected to speak soon

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To the Treaty Principles Bill. 

Despite David Seymour's best efforts to pretend that there's absolutely nothing to see here, there is no doubt in my mind that the government is planning to introduce the Treaty Principles Bill tomorrow to try to hide it - because they know full well, we're all going to be completely obsessed and distracted by the US election.

They know that if they get it out on Thursday, tomorrow, it's before the planned Hikoi even sets off on Monday.

I think that indicates that they're trying to bury the thing and get ahead of everything and it shows how much they hating the heat that they're getting for this. 

Look, it's politics.

I mean, it feels slightly underhand, it feels a little bit cowardly but it's politics. It's an option available to them and you can't really begrudge them for doing it. 

But I don't even think that's the most interesting thing that's going on here. 

I think the most interesting thing is that the Waitangi tribunal leaked the fact that the Government was going to do this -apparently within an hour of getting a heads up.

How naïve can you possibly be?

They are pretty much, at the Waitangi Tribunal, all by themselves making a case for why they should be reformed like New Zealand First wants to do.

What they've done here is they have demonstrated just how unbelievably political they now are. They are not a neutral body, right? 

They're not just a neutral body sitting there doing their job making decisions. 

They are actively taking on the government of the day because they do not like the government of the day. 

Now, that is weird to me, especially when it comes to the Treaty Principles Bill because this is a Bill that's going nowhere. 

The Prime Minister's already said the thing is going to die. 

He's going to kill it. 

So why is the Waitangi Tribunal even wasting what credibility they have trying to kill a Bill that's already going to die?

It feels like a really weird hill to die on.

And if they carry on like this, they are going to die on a hill because they will get reformed by New Zealand First. There will be a point which we're all completely convinced that they're too political like ‘Yeah, it's about time they've already shown their political hand by doing weird things like taking cases to adjudicate on government policy, which is kind of outside their remit and that they're having a crack at the government over this bill before even seeing the bill.’

But I think that this particular leak takes the cake because there are few things more political than a political leak.

And by doing this, they have convinced me that they actually do need to be reformed to put them back in their lane.

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<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">To the Treaty Principles Bill. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">Despite David Seymour's best efforts to pretend that there's absolutely nothing to see here, there is no doubt in my mind that the government is planning to introduce the Treaty Principles Bill tomorrow to try to hide it - because they know full well, we're all going to be completely obsessed and distracted by the US election.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">They know that if they get it out on Thursday, tomorrow, it's before the planned Hikoi even sets off on Monday.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">I think that indicates that they're trying to bury the thing and get ahead of everything and it shows how much they hating the heat that they're getting for this. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">Look, it's politics.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">I mean, it feels slightly underhand, it feels a little bit cowardly but it's politics. It's an option available to them and you can't really begrudge them for doing it. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">But I don't even think that's the most interesting thing that's going on here. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">I think the most interesting thing is that the Waitangi tribunal leaked the fact that the Government was going to do this -apparently within an hour of getting a heads up.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">How naïve can you possibly be?
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">They are pretty much, at the Waitangi Tribunal, all by themselves making a case for why they should be reformed like New Zealand First wants to do.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">What they've done here is they have demonstrated just how unbelievably political they now are. They are not a neutral body, right? 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">They're not just a neutral body sitting there doing their job making decisions. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">They are actively taking on the government of the day because they do not like the government of the day. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">Now, that is weird to me, especially when it comes to the Treaty Principles Bill because this is a Bill that's going nowhere. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">The Prime Minister's already said the thing is going to die. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">He's going to kill it. 
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">So why is the Waitangi Tribunal even wasting what credibility they have trying to kill a Bill that's already going to die?
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">It feels like a really weird hill to die on.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">And if they carry on like this, they are going to die on a hill because they will get reformed by New Zealand First. There will be a point which we're all completely convinced that they're too political like ‘Yeah, it's about time they've already shown their political hand by doing weird things like taking cases to adjudicate on government policy, which is kind of outside their remit and that they're having a crack at the government over this bill before even seeing the bill.’
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">But I think that this particular leak takes the cake because there are few things more political than a political leak.
<p style="-webkit-user-drag: none; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin: 0px 0px 10.6667px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; overflow-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap; vertical-align: baseline; font-kerning: none; background-color: transparent; color: windowtext; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;">And by doing this, they have convinced me that they actually do need to be reformed to put them back in their lane.
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Perspective with Heather du Plessis-Allan: There are few things more political than a political leak

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The US election has taken over headlines worldwide, with the UK’s news cycle battling time zones to print the latest in their morning papers. 

Meanwhile, the UK government is set to ditch plans to ban smoking in the gardens of pubs and restaurants in England. 

And, Queen Camilla has cancelled engagements this week due to a chest infection. 

UK correspondent Gavin Grey gives the latest. 

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The US election has taken over headlines worldwide, with the UK’s news cycle battling time zones to print the latest in their morning papers.&nbsp;
Meanwhile, the UK government is set to ditch plans to ban smoking in the gardens of pubs and restaurants in England.&nbsp;
And, Queen Camilla has cancelled engagements this week due to a chest infection.&nbsp;
UK correspondent Gavin Grey gives the latest.&nbsp;
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Gavin Grey: UK & Europe correspondent on US election coverage, UK government et to ditch smoking ban and Queen Camilla calls off engagements due to sickness

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Kamala Harris will not speak tonight. Donald Trump is making his way towards his headquarters. 

NZ Herald Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coughlan is at Harris’ HQ and tells Heather du Plessis-Allan the space has been largely empty throughout the night, and many campaign staff are heading out. 

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Kamala Harris will not speak tonight. Donald Trump is making his way towards his headquarters.&nbsp;
NZ Herald Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coughlan is at Harris’ HQ and tells Heather du Plessis-Allan the space has been largely empty throughout the night, and many campaign staff are heading out.&nbsp;
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Thomas Coughlan: NZ Herald Deputy Political Editor on crowds at Harris HQ emptying out

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Mark Gilbert: Former US ambassador to NZ on Kamala Harris expected to speak soon

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