Jason Walls is our political editor in joining me now hala Jason, Oh.

Jason Walls is our political editor in joining me now hala Jason, Oh.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon.

Are you at the National Caucus Retreat.

Are you at the National Caucus Retreat.

I'm not. I'm down in Wellington. I've been handling business down here.

I'm not. I'm down in Wellington. I've been handling business down here.

But Sophie Trigger is there. But we've got the State of a Nation speech tomorrow from Christopher Lackson, Prime Minister.

But Sophie Trigger is there. But we've got the State of a Nation speech tomorrow from Christopher Lackson, Prime Minister.

Indeed we do this. It's been you know, when it rains at paus down here in politics Land. We have nothing for a couple of months and this week we have National's Caucus Retreat, Labour's Caucus Retreat, National State of the Nation, Act, State of the Nation in Ratina, all in one week. But it was The Herald's Jamie Ensil who's actually been up there at the Caucus retreating. He says it's been rather dull in yester years as a bit of backyard cricket. There's barbecues. Everybody's in Polos or in Sunnis. Jamie said, there's none of that, and he told me that the meetings are just in bland beige conference rooms and it was corporate with the capital CE. Kind of makes sense, really, I wasn't expecting a jovial affair from the nats back to basics from them really and then meanwhile Luxin's getting ready for his State of the Nation speech tomorrow. The theme of that is you guessed it, economic growth, and there'll be an announcement as I understand it, but nothing hugely major. I mean, the Shane of Etty cabinet reshuffle earlier this week was the main bit of news, if you will. There's going to be some interesting information about how they plan to solve some of the more systemic ten to twenty or even thirty year economic plans. And I do understand that there is going to be a new refocus on opening up minds in New Zealand. So the Greens are going to love that one.

Indeed we do this. It's been you know, when it rains at paus down here in politics Land. We have nothing for a couple of months and this week we have National's Caucus Retreat, Labour's Caucus Retreat, National State of the Nation, Act, State of the Nation in Ratina, all in one week. But it was The Herald's Jamie Ensil who's actually been up there at the Caucus retreating. He says it's been rather dull in yester years as a bit of backyard cricket. There's barbecues. Everybody's in Polos or in Sunnis. Jamie said, there's none of that, and he told me that the meetings are just in bland beige conference rooms and it was corporate with the capital CE. Kind of makes sense, really, I wasn't expecting a jovial affair from the nats back to basics from them really and then meanwhile Luxin's getting ready for his State of the Nation speech tomorrow. The theme of that is you guessed it, economic growth, and there'll be an announcement as I understand it, but nothing hugely major. I mean, the Shane of Etty cabinet reshuffle earlier this week was the main bit of news, if you will. There's going to be some interesting information about how they plan to solve some of the more systemic ten to twenty or even thirty year economic plans. And I do understand that there is going to be a new refocus on opening up minds in New Zealand. So the Greens are going to love that one.

Absolutely and we're hearing rumors we're talking about this. We'll talk about this with Nicola Willis as well. It's a Simon Bridges idea that we'll get rid of the visa obligations for the Chinese, and Simon rickens there is a billion dollars worth of extra tourism that will get from that alone. You reckon that will be in the State of the nation. You reckon that might be a policy he announces, because that's an immediate benefit a short term.

Absolutely and we're hearing rumors we're talking about this. We'll talk about this with Nicola Willis as well. It's a Simon Bridges idea that we'll get rid of the visa obligations for the Chinese, and Simon rickens there is a billion dollars worth of extra tourism that will get from that alone. You reckon that will be in the State of the nation. You reckon that might be a policy he announces, because that's an immediate benefit a short term.

Oh, I don't think that'll be in the announcement tomorrow. I've it hasn't from what I understand it. It hasn't been billed as a major announcement, and that's what I would consider to be something quite major, and that's something you'd need to get Winston Peters on board with as well. So I haven't heard any soundings to say it's anything along those lines.

Oh, I don't think that'll be in the announcement tomorrow. I've it hasn't from what I understand it. It hasn't been billed as a major announcement, and that's what I would consider to be something quite major, and that's something you'd need to get Winston Peters on board with as well. So I haven't heard any soundings to say it's anything along those lines.

All right, very good. We have another political poll out and warning it's a Roy Morgan. Yeah.

All right, very good. We have another political poll out and warning it's a Roy Morgan. Yeah.

So it just goes to show how up in the air everything really is. Last week, you know, there was the taxpayer union funded Courier poll showing that National had dropped four and a half points to twenty nine and that were actually leap frogged by the Labor Party. Well, this new Roy Morgan pole shows that over the December period the NATS were actually up two point five percentage points to thirty one. Act was on thirty in New Zealand, First on seven point five. In fact, the three parties remained well ahead of Labour which is on twenty six percent, Green's thirteen point five and Tea Party Marty on five point five to sort of split that out for the right block the coalition government, it's fifty one point five percent and forty four for the left. Hence, I don't think last week's bad poll for National would have been the focus of the caucus retreat today. They're just kind of moving. The poles are moving around too much. We don't tend to focus on Roy Morgan as much as the others. But it's a good little snapshot to just say, you know, things are really really up in the air right now. Yeah.

So it just goes to show how up in the air everything really is. Last week, you know, there was the taxpayer union funded Courier poll showing that National had dropped four and a half points to twenty nine and that were actually leap frogged by the Labor Party. Well, this new Roy Morgan pole shows that over the December period the NATS were actually up two point five percentage points to thirty one. Act was on thirty in New Zealand, First on seven point five. In fact, the three parties remained well ahead of Labour which is on twenty six percent, Green's thirteen point five and Tea Party Marty on five point five to sort of split that out for the right block the coalition government, it's fifty one point five percent and forty four for the left. Hence, I don't think last week's bad poll for National would have been the focus of the caucus retreat today. They're just kind of moving. The poles are moving around too much. We don't tend to focus on Roy Morgan as much as the others. But it's a good little snapshot to just say, you know, things are really really up in the air right now. Yeah.

True, But of course the only public council is in two years time, and I think the Courier poll will just remind everybody. It's like a kick out the backside. Really, you know, you've got to work hard if we're going to keep the benches in two years time. So then we go. Now a trigger warning. You are about to hear a voice you haven't heard for a while. But tell me the story about a book, Jason.

True, But of course the only public council is in two years time, and I think the Courier poll will just remind everybody. It's like a kick out the backside. Really, you know, you've got to work hard if we're going to keep the benches in two years time. So then we go. Now a trigger warning. You are about to hear a voice you haven't heard for a while. But tell me the story about a book, Jason.

Well, it's by one just Cinda Ardurn. Remember her. June third is when her book is coming out. It's called a Different Kind of Power, And you'll never guess what the theme is. Well, here's a little bit of what she said.

Well, it's by one just Cinda Ardurn. Remember her. June third is when her book is coming out. It's called a Different Kind of Power, And you'll never guess what the theme is. Well, here's a little bit of what she said.

As I say trigger warning, I've.

As I say trigger warning, I've.

Written about things that I haven't shared before, but I've also tried to share how it feels to leave, especially if you're surprised to find yourself in leadership. And see anyone who has ever doubted themselves. I really hope there's something in it for them as well.

Written about things that I haven't shared before, but I've also tried to share how it feels to leave, especially if you're surprised to find yourself in leadership. And see anyone who has ever doubted themselves. I really hope there's something in it for them as well.

They go only nineteen seconds, and at least we didn't show the visuals as well, because she smiled brightly through the entire presentation of what was a two minute video.

They go only nineteen seconds, and at least we didn't show the visuals as well, because she smiled brightly through the entire presentation of what was a two minute video.

Yeah, and it's I mean, nobody's going to be surprised by the fact it's a book about kindness and empathy. And if you're expecting a brutal takedown piece, you'd be out of luck, although I can't imagine why you'd be expecting that, So I expect to see a lot more of just send our dourness she goes to promote this book. I'm interested to see whether she actually comes back to New Zealand and does the book launch here, or if she does it in Harvard or Buckingham Palace or somewhere like that. So we'll have to wait, But yeah, brace yourself with some more just send ardn.

Yeah, and it's I mean, nobody's going to be surprised by the fact it's a book about kindness and empathy. And if you're expecting a brutal takedown piece, you'd be out of luck, although I can't imagine why you'd be expecting that, So I expect to see a lot more of just send our dourness she goes to promote this book. I'm interested to see whether she actually comes back to New Zealand and does the book launch here, or if she does it in Harvard or Buckingham Palace or somewhere like that. So we'll have to wait, But yeah, brace yourself with some more just send ardn.

Apparently she has a documentary out next week as well.

Apparently she has a documentary out next week as well.

And yes, yes, I've heard. I've heard a fair bit about that documentary as well by Clark Gayford, who was documenting behind the scenes the whole time.

And yes, yes, I've heard. I've heard a fair bit about that documentary as well by Clark Gayford, who was documenting behind the scenes the whole time.

It's called Prime Minister. And I'm getting some very funny texts coming up, I have to say, And I thank you Jason Walls here on News Talk ZIBB.

It's called Prime Minister. And I'm getting some very funny texts coming up, I have to say, And I thank you Jason Walls here on News Talk ZIBB.

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