Right now. The government's planning to introduce the Treaty Principal's Bill tomorrow. Now this is surprising because it is a week and a half earlier than expected. Act Leader David Seymour's with us on this right now. Hey, David, Hey, you ever feels very much like you guys are doing this while we're distracted by the US selection.

Right now. The government's planning to introduce the Treaty Principal's Bill tomorrow. Now this is surprising because it is a week and a half earlier than expected. Act Leader David Seymour's with us on this right now. Hey, David, Hey, you ever feels very much like you guys are doing this while we're distracted by the US selection.

Is that?

Is that?

What's up?

What's up?

I tell you one thing about conspiracies and government. Here are all sorts of things that we're supposedly up to, and I think, man, I wish we were that organized.

I tell you one thing about conspiracies and government. Here are all sorts of things that we're supposedly up to, and I think, man, I wish we were that organized.

Well, I hang on, is it because it already whins as he was saying this morning that there was a meeting yesterday in Parliament where you would all supposed to discuss the business of the House and this was not at all flagged as happening this week. Why was that?

Well, I hang on, is it because it already whins as he was saying this morning that there was a meeting yesterday in Parliament where you would all supposed to discuss the business of the House and this was not at all flagged as happening this week. Why was that?

I guess it's probably Rawdy doesn't have a huge amount of experience. In fact, he normally doesn't pay a lot of respect to Parliament. I've been in that Business Committee for six years and the Government doesn't always tell you everything. So there's nothing unusual here. There's just people trying to make mountains for molehos.

I guess it's probably Rawdy doesn't have a huge amount of experience. In fact, he normally doesn't pay a lot of respect to Parliament. I've been in that Business Committee for six years and the Government doesn't always tell you everything. So there's nothing unusual here. There's just people trying to make mountains for molehos.

Okay, So why is it coming in earlier than we're expecting?

Okay, So why is it coming in earlier than we're expecting?

I guess the question is why did you expect it at a certain time. Actually, things change all the time. The reason people expected it on a day is that the White Tangy Tribunal demanded a date, which is very unusual, so we gave them one, and as dates often do, this one change. So really, this has going to be the craziest mountain out of a mole hale ever, because the reality is you're in parliament, it's chaos. Sometimes you get things done early, you go early. Sometimes it takes longer, you do it later. Normally no one noticed this because you don't have witan E Tribunal demanding live updates on every date and expectation, and you don't have Larward Eocity, you know, pitching in with his reckons despite having with the greatest respect to them, pretty limitted experience of parliament.

I guess the question is why did you expect it at a certain time. Actually, things change all the time. The reason people expected it on a day is that the White Tangy Tribunal demanded a date, which is very unusual, so we gave them one, and as dates often do, this one change. So really, this has going to be the craziest mountain out of a mole hale ever, because the reality is you're in parliament, it's chaos. Sometimes you get things done early, you go early. Sometimes it takes longer, you do it later. Normally no one noticed this because you don't have witan E Tribunal demanding live updates on every date and expectation, and you don't have Larward Eocity, you know, pitching in with his reckons despite having with the greatest respect to them, pretty limitted experience of parliament.

David, what do you make the White Tongy Tribunal leaking the information and elusing everyone that you're going to table it tomorrow.

David, what do you make the White Tongy Tribunal leaking the information and elusing everyone that you're going to table it tomorrow.

Well it's pretty saddening, to be honest. I mean, ultimately, in a country you need trust in your institutions and you need people to act honorably, so they say, you have to give us this information. It's your duty and its respect and vomity and all of these other things. And then we by our part and we find when we give them information, within an hour we have the media ringing up saying we have been told this, and of course we expected it.

Well it's pretty saddening, to be honest. I mean, ultimately, in a country you need trust in your institutions and you need people to act honorably, so they say, you have to give us this information. It's your duty and its respect and vomity and all of these other things. And then we by our part and we find when we give them information, within an hour we have the media ringing up saying we have been told this, and of course we expected it.

So who did they tell because I thought that they told lawyers. Did they tell lawyers who told the media, or did they just go directly and tell the media.

So who did they tell because I thought that they told lawyers. Did they tell lawyers who told the media, or did they just go directly and tell the media.

Well, you'd know better than anyone whither. The journalists aren't going to reveal their sources, so I guess that secret dies with them.

Well, you'd know better than anyone whither. The journalists aren't going to reveal their sources, so I guess that secret dies with them.

And when you told the White Pany Tribunal, did you tell them on the understanding that they would retain that information and not share it.

And when you told the White Pany Tribunal, did you tell them on the understanding that they would retain that information and not share it.

Look, I'm not sure, but you'd have to assume that if somebody told you something, then it would be for a certain purpose and it would be up to the person who had the information to announce it publicly. In any event, through their processes, the information got out within an hour, whether it was them, whether it was lawyers who were acting for applicants who are informed of details of the case. It's not entirely clear. But one of the results of them demanding the information and seeing it get into the public demand so rapidly is that they're actually are road trust institutions, including their own. That's a bit saddening in a way.

Look, I'm not sure, but you'd have to assume that if somebody told you something, then it would be for a certain purpose and it would be up to the person who had the information to announce it publicly. In any event, through their processes, the information got out within an hour, whether it was them, whether it was lawyers who were acting for applicants who are informed of details of the case. It's not entirely clear. But one of the results of them demanding the information and seeing it get into the public demand so rapidly is that they're actually are road trust institutions, including their own. That's a bit saddening in a way.

Now do you expect commity from them in the same way that you would from a stock standard court.

Now do you expect commity from them in the same way that you would from a stock standard court.

Well that they're not a court. So often people say you have to fully respect them. They're actually not a court. They are a standing commission of inquiry that's been going for forty eight years. I think it's just good to treat people well wherever you can. I've always been someone who believes in the basic respects and dignity for each individual. That's why I'm opposed to the Treaty being cast as a partnership, because when you say the treaty is a partnership between races which the member of which group, your group membership becomes more important than your basic human dignity.

Well that they're not a court. So often people say you have to fully respect them. They're actually not a court. They are a standing commission of inquiry that's been going for forty eight years. I think it's just good to treat people well wherever you can. I've always been someone who believes in the basic respects and dignity for each individual. That's why I'm opposed to the Treaty being cast as a partnership, because when you say the treaty is a partnership between races which the member of which group, your group membership becomes more important than your basic human dignity.

And just listen very quickly, are you guys planning to reform them the tribunal? Have you actually got this cross the line with the big guns in the NATS.

And just listen very quickly, are you guys planning to reform them the tribunal? Have you actually got this cross the line with the big guns in the NATS.

I assume you said the big guns and the gnats.

I assume you said the big guns and the gnats.

In the Gnats the top dogs in the NATS.

In the Gnats the top dogs in the NATS.

Well, you know, for the very Democratic party. Look, you've got to remember that that's not an act policy, that's the New Zealand First policy. But I mean, all i'd say is that, you know, it's something that that supports, as we support all of the different policies that we've signed up to through coalition. And I frankly think it's a really sad time because the Waits Only Tribunal and the treaty settlement process have been enormously positive. I think it's a point of pride for the New Zealand. In fact, I don't think many countries would have gone through the kind of civilized process of reconciliation that New Zealand has in the last thirty years or so with treaty settlements. However, they've now become so politicized that I think they've actually diminished their own manner and that will only lend stream to the arm of those in government who would like to see them substantially reformed.

Well, you know, for the very Democratic party. Look, you've got to remember that that's not an act policy, that's the New Zealand First policy. But I mean, all i'd say is that, you know, it's something that that supports, as we support all of the different policies that we've signed up to through coalition. And I frankly think it's a really sad time because the Waits Only Tribunal and the treaty settlement process have been enormously positive. I think it's a point of pride for the New Zealand. In fact, I don't think many countries would have gone through the kind of civilized process of reconciliation that New Zealand has in the last thirty years or so with treaty settlements. However, they've now become so politicized that I think they've actually diminished their own manner and that will only lend stream to the arm of those in government who would like to see them substantially reformed.

Quite right, Hey, David, thanks very much, appreciate it. David seymour X part of Leader. We'll come back to this later on in the program too. For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio

Quite right, Hey, David, thanks very much, appreciate it. David seymour X part of Leader. We'll come back to this later on in the program too. For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio