The Happy, Jen Horn and Katie Gorka, welcome author Gretchen Wollert, who discusses her journey from farmer to historian and her exploration of the parallels between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln. The conversation delves into the similarities in their leadership styles, personal backgrounds, and the challenges they faced. Gretchen also discusses the need for strong leadership in today's divided nation.

<p>The Happy, Jen Horn and Katie Gorka, welcome author Gretchen Wollert, who discusses her journey from farmer to historian and her exploration of the parallels between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln. The conversation delves into the similarities in their leadership styles, personal backgrounds, and the challenges they faced. Gretchen also discusses the need for strong leadership in today's divided nation.</p>

Jen and Katie are two happy women bringing you inspiring stories, politics, pop culture and lifestyle hacks, all with an eye to making our communities and our country a better place to live!

<p>Jen and Katie are two happy women bringing you inspiring stories, politics, pop culture and lifestyle hacks, all with an eye to making our communities and our country a better place to live!</p>

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