Welcome the Guys We Bought, the anti slut shaming podcast. I'm Christina Hupping, I'm Karen Fifer and.

Welcome the Guys We Bought, the anti slut shaming podcast. I'm Christina Hupping, I'm Karen Fifer and.

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End bring up.

So it's floody, your horny and your shame. Hey was what?

So it's floody, your horny and your shame. Hey was what?

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Yes?

Okay?

Okay?

What up?

What up?

Fuckers? How you doing?

Fuckers? How you doing?

Did you drink enough water today? Welcome to another episode of Guys We Fucked.

Did you drink enough water today? Welcome to another episode of Guys We Fucked.

It's the anti slut shaming podcast. I'm Krine Fisher, I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Before we get into the show, well, first off, this let's the handle us first, because we're the most important. Yes, you know, I think it's I think it's it's okay to say as a woman. It's so funny because you're like, oh, it's a little presumptuous, and I'm like, this is our fucking podcast. Of course we're the most important people on it.

It's the anti slut shaming podcast. I'm Krine Fisher, I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Before we get into the show, well, first off, this let's the handle us first, because we're the most important. Yes, you know, I think it's I think it's it's okay to say as a woman. It's so funny because you're like, oh, it's a little presumptuous, and I'm like, this is our fucking podcast. Of course we're the most important people on it.

Oh yeah, no, that's wow. You pulled me there. That was ridiculous, that thought. Well, you know, when you just have everyone squawking at you non stop. So, Guys we Fucked.

Oh yeah, no, that's wow. You pulled me there. That was ridiculous, that thought. Well, you know, when you just have everyone squawking at you non stop. So, Guys we Fucked.

We are doing a live show in New York City. Probably gonna do more, but right now we're gonna start it off with one live at the Midnight Theater. This is happening Friday, September eighth at nine thirty pm in Hudson Yards.

We are doing a live show in New York City. Probably gonna do more, but right now we're gonna start it off with one live at the Midnight Theater. This is happening Friday, September eighth at nine thirty pm in Hudson Yards.

There's a Peloton store and a whole food store right next door to the Midnight Theater.

There's a Peloton store and a whole food store right next door to the Midnight Theater.

So you know that theater is gonna be a bougie. This theater.

So you know that theater is gonna be a bougie. This theater.

If you have not been to it yet, it's it's it's gorgeous. It's an experience. You definitely need to come out. If just for the theater, just come, just buy a ticket for the just to see the theater. Yes, for architecture, and then you get a huge bonus and any correct an interior design. Yeah, we're gonna have such a fun show. Mike's gonna be there. And we only have one, two, three, six tickets in the front section left. Yeah, there's two price points of tickets obviously, you know, more expensive in the front.

If you have not been to it yet, it's it's it's gorgeous. It's an experience. You definitely need to come out. If just for the theater, just come, just buy a ticket for the just to see the theater. Yes, for architecture, and then you get a huge bonus and any correct an interior design. Yeah, we're gonna have such a fun show. Mike's gonna be there. And we only have one, two, three, six tickets in the front section left. Yeah, there's two price points of tickets obviously, you know, more expensive in the front.

Less expensive in the back. But don't let that dissuade you.

Less expensive in the back. But don't let that dissuade you.

If you can only afford the tickets in the back, it's it's they're all they're literally all good. They're all good seats. We'll have a great time. We're gonna have a great time. And yeah, and it is the guys, we fucked the podcast law I've and we not a stand up show. No, it's I know some of you don't like the stand up shows, so you've made a clar so don't go to one.

If you can only afford the tickets in the back, it's it's they're all they're literally all good. They're all good seats. We'll have a great time. We're gonna have a great time. And yeah, and it is the guys, we fucked the podcast law I've and we not a stand up show. No, it's I know some of you don't like the stand up shows, so you've made a clar so don't go to one.

So don't, Yeah, don't, but somebody will go to shows.

So don't, Yeah, don't, but somebody will go to shows.

Two guys, we fucked live at the Midnight Theater eight nine thirty pm, Friday, September eighth, and you can find tickets at any of our bios the link tree link at guys we fucked without the U and fucked. I'm at Christina Hutch, I'm at Philanthropyl.

Two guys, we fucked live at the Midnight Theater eight nine thirty pm, Friday, September eighth, and you can find tickets at any of our bios the link tree link at guys we fucked without the U and fucked. I'm at Christina Hutch, I'm at Philanthropyl.

And I am at Mike Cuskrill.

And I am at Mike Cuskrill.

Did you put the link? You have the link in your link tree? Though, Mike, I know you didn't. Oh, we know you did, We know you have.

Did you put the link? You have the link in your link tree? Though, Mike, I know you didn't. Oh, we know you did, We know you have.

I don't have a link tree.

I don't have a link tree.

Well, we have lots to do today.

Well, we have lots to do today.

You have a lot to do today.

You have a lot to do today.

And also something I have to do today is wish Chelsea Hide a very happy seventh wedding anniversary.

And also something I have to do today is wish Chelsea Hide a very happy seventh wedding anniversary.

Happy wedding.

Happy wedding.

This is a message from your husband Henry, who came in with your son Jack too perfectly centered eighty nine Palmer Avenue, Larned Mount, New.

This is a message from your husband Henry, who came in with your son Jack too perfectly centered eighty nine Palmer Avenue, Larned Mount, New.

York, and go to it. He did say he came in.

York, and go to it. He did say he came in.

He strolled in, and this was the reason I said yes to this request, and no one else is allowed to make this request.

He strolled in, and this was the reason I said yes to this request, and no one else is allowed to make this request.

This is the only time I'm doing it.

This is the only time I'm doing it.

Absolutely after this, do not come into my store unless you're there to buy something.

Absolutely after this, do not come into my store unless you're there to buy something.

Okay, you buy buying things.

Okay, you buy buying things.

But yeah, he did come in, and he came in in person and said, my, my wife is a really huge fan of yours, and I have an odd request.

But yeah, he did come in, and he came in in person and said, my, my wife is a really huge fan of yours, and I have an odd request.

And I said, hit me. I said hit me, Henry, don't don't literally hit me.

And I said, hit me. I said hit me, Henry, don't don't literally hit me.

It was a big guy, but yeah, yeah, And then he said, could you on the podcast do a anniversary shout out? And I was like, this is bold. I said, Henry drove all the way down there. This is bold. Well, I think they live in the area. But I was like, I said, Henry, this is bold. And also I noticed that he brought his very cute son, and I was like, obviously you're not a fan of me, because I know you're you're trying to use this to lure me into doing what you want me to do.

It was a big guy, but yeah, yeah, And then he said, could you on the podcast do a anniversary shout out? And I was like, this is bold. I said, Henry drove all the way down there. This is bold. Well, I think they live in the area. But I was like, I said, Henry, this is bold. And also I noticed that he brought his very cute son, and I was like, obviously you're not a fan of me, because I know you're you're trying to use this to lure me into doing what you want me to do.

And Henry, you should have brought a dog. That's the bad.

And Henry, you should have brought a dog. That's the bad.

Your son is extremely cute. But I was like, Henry doesn't know the work of grin Fisher. Henry should have walked.

Your son is extremely cute. But I was like, Henry doesn't know the work of grin Fisher. Henry should have walked.

I scratch your.

I scratch your.

Back, you scratch mine, either by way of buying something from my store or bringing a goddamn dog for me to look.

Back, you scratch mine, either by way of buying something from my store or bringing a goddamn dog for me to look.

Because I knew the move.

Because I knew the move.

I was like, oh, he purposely came with his very cute son and was I chatted. I chatted with Jack. Jack was a very nice fellow. How old kid age toddler? Toddler like three four, kind of two to four?

I was like, oh, he purposely came with his very cute son and was I chatted. I chatted with Jack. Jack was a very nice fellow. How old kid age toddler? Toddler like three four, kind of two to four?

And I never did I can't big, I can I know, stop drinking milk?

And I never did I can't big, I can I know, stop drinking milk?

He was.

He was.

He was in a stroller still, but like in a like the bigger kids.

He was in a stroller still, but like in a like the bigger kids.

Stroller moving on up stroller. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I got you the little seat belt.

Stroller moving on up stroller. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I got you the little seat belt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He wasn't four because I don't think he could filly talk. Who the fuck knows, but anyway, yeah and uh and uh yeah and.

He wasn't four because I don't think he could filly talk. Who the fuck knows, but anyway, yeah and uh and uh yeah and.

Then so happy anniversary, Chelsea. Seven years.

Then so happy anniversary, Chelsea. Seven years.

I applaud that your husband number one knew enough about your interests. Followed it came to my store all these things, and then but I am gonna out.

I applaud that your husband number one knew enough about your interests. Followed it came to my store all these things, and then but I am gonna out.

I'm gonna out Henry. So then I was and I was like, I was like.

I'm gonna out Henry. So then I was and I was like, I was like.

I'm not I'm only doing this for you just because I honestly was.

I'm not I'm only doing this for you just because I honestly was.

I was. I was impressed by the boldness of the request. You know, as we talked about on the you know about with nine to eleven and ISIS and terrorists in general. You wanted to do something, you did it.

I was. I was impressed by the boldness of the request. You know, as we talked about on the you know about with nine to eleven and ISIS and terrorists in general. You wanted to do something, you did it.

When people get out and do something, And it's nicer when the thing you're doing isn't murdering thousands of people. Yeah, it's nicer when it's just an anniversary shout out for your wife on a podcast that she really enjoys.

When people get out and do something, And it's nicer when the thing you're doing isn't murdering thousands of people. Yeah, it's nicer when it's just an anniversary shout out for your wife on a podcast that she really enjoys.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Then I get home, I'm checking my multiple email account so many I'm a busy bit so busy, and then and then I have an email from Henry in my perfectly centered email that says, Hey, it's Henry.

Then I get home, I'm checking my multiple email account so many I'm a busy bit so busy, and then and then I have an email from Henry in my perfectly centered email that says, Hey, it's Henry.

I remember you. It's it's it's a mom and pop shop.

I remember you. It's it's it's a mom and pop shop.

And he says, just following up, even though I had already done a diligent job as I always do and obtaining the information I would need for this shout and I had him right on this it's exclusive, perfectly centered paper, it's a legal pad and uh. And then he followed up with all the information as if I was going to forget, and then said, can you please email me the episode when it comes out. Wow, Henry, I am your assistant, Henry.

And he says, just following up, even though I had already done a diligent job as I always do and obtaining the information I would need for this shout and I had him right on this it's exclusive, perfectly centered paper, it's a legal pad and uh. And then he followed up with all the information as if I was going to forget, and then said, can you please email me the episode when it comes out. Wow, Henry, I am your assistant, Henry.

That was a wild request. Henry. You took it. You're treating us like a wife. You give people an intertate, take a mile. So I was like, Henry doesn't know this because obviously because of the kid, think he's not familiar enough with my personality. But I was like, Henry's about this.

That was a wild request. Henry. You took it. You're treating us like a wife. You give people an intertate, take a mile. So I was like, Henry doesn't know this because obviously because of the kid, think he's not familiar enough with my personality. But I was like, Henry's about this.

This shadow shout out is about to do a three sixty Henry, because I'm out you to your wife.

This shadow shout out is about to do a three sixty Henry, because I'm out you to your wife.

How about if you care that much, you just want you know, you get you just listen to the show.

How about if you care that much, you just want you know, you get you just listen to the show.

The podcast has been on for ten years, Henry.

The podcast has been on for ten years, Henry.

Also, Henry, welcome to the business. We only send air checks out when people pay us money. Oh that's if you want an.

Also, Henry, welcome to the business. We only send air checks out when people pay us money. Oh that's if you want an.

Air check advertise.

Air check advertise.

Wow, you know what we should we can We should sell anniversary shout outs, birthday shout outs, go to the show.

Wow, you know what we should we can We should sell anniversary shout outs, birthday shout outs, go to the show.

God buy more soundproofing.

God buy more soundproofing.

Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry about last night show at gmail dot com.

Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry about last night show at gmail dot com.

But anyway, very very happy anniversary to you, Chelsea. I'm glad that you found a husband who gets out there and does it even though you know.

But anyway, very very happy anniversary to you, Chelsea. I'm glad that you found a husband who gets out there and does it even though you know.

He uses his your child as bait as bait, and I appreciate it.

He uses his your child as bait as bait, and I appreciate it.

And you know, I think we all learned something on this anniversary. It's only the seventh, Henry. So things you're the better, You're going to become a more I mean, who knows how old Henry than me, So I'm not sure, but I'm you know, who knows if he was even fully.

And you know, I think we all learned something on this anniversary. It's only the seventh, Henry. So things you're the better, You're going to become a more I mean, who knows how old Henry than me, So I'm not sure, but I'm you know, who knows if he was even fully.

Matured yet you know, well, yeah, yeah.

Matured yet you know, well, yeah, yeah.

As far as you know, mentally, I'm at this rate that I've been coming into men. It's about, you know, between like forty eight to fifty five, I think is when they're finally having the like self actualization.

As far as you know, mentally, I'm at this rate that I've been coming into men. It's about, you know, between like forty eight to fifty five, I think is when they're finally having the like self actualization.

Its names, when they have all the tests that when they're like a sixty plus and they they've gotten a lot of estrogen because men get estrogen.

Its names, when they have all the tests that when they're like a sixty plus and they they've gotten a lot of estrogen because men get estrogen.

As at older and then their legs go bald, which is hilarious.

As at older and then their legs go bald, which is hilarious.

I wish that would happen to me. But yeah, then they get nicer. Yeah, but they just got to become they have more of that female hormone. Henry, though, I have faith in you. And happy anniversary, Chelsea and Henry. And I hope you I hope you're married for at least year. Yes, and don't tell him about just don't did you reply that an email?

I wish that would happen to me. But yeah, then they get nicer. Yeah, but they just got to become they have more of that female hormone. Henry, though, I have faith in you. And happy anniversary, Chelsea and Henry. And I hope you I hope you're married for at least year. Yes, and don't tell him about just don't did you reply that an email?

Hell?

Hell?

Okay, I'm not Henry. Then wait, you know, and.

Okay, I'm not Henry. Then wait, you know, and.

We'll know if her wife is a Luminous subscriber or not she if Henry gets back to you, you know this, we we'll see and then and now the show in five years.

We'll know if her wife is a Luminous subscriber or not she if Henry gets back to you, you know this, we we'll see and then and now the show in five years.

This is bold. This is Henry knows where I work. Now, Henry could back and attack, wouldn't you. No, I'm not.

This is bold. This is Henry knows where I work. Now, Henry could back and attack, wouldn't you. No, I'm not.

I'll fight anyone in Larchemnt. Okay, yeah, I've been there.

I'll fight anyone in Larchemnt. Okay, yeah, I've been there.

I get it. Yeah, it's like stars Hollow. I'll fucking fight anyone in Large mount your come get me. Yeah, they're not gonna fight you, fight you. I mean, I guess they could just drive from another town.

I get it. Yeah, it's like stars Hollow. I'll fucking fight anyone in Large mount your come get me. Yeah, they're not gonna fight you, fight you. I mean, I guess they could just drive from another town.

But in Large month, I feel confident that I, uh, I'm the baddest.

But in Large month, I feel confident that I, uh, I'm the baddest.

Bitch in Large I agree. I agree. Somebody's visited Large a couple of times. Yeah, it's beautiful, lovely place, beautiful, all right.

Bitch in Large I agree. I agree. Somebody's visited Large a couple of times. Yeah, it's beautiful, lovely place, beautiful, all right.

So this is if you want to email us it's sorry about last night's show at gmail dot com. The subject line is PSA to get out of your toxic relationship before they become incapacitated and you have to change their diapers?

So this is if you want to email us it's sorry about last night's show at gmail dot com. The subject line is PSA to get out of your toxic relationship before they become incapacitated and you have to change their diapers?

How appropriate?

How appropriate?

Me?

Me?

So horny not on a new couch Caribe.

So horny not on a new couch Caribe.

It's fabric high Corridan Christina and Mike.

It's fabric high Corridan Christina and Mike.

I am a thirty six year old female. I have lived in the Southern US all of my life and was raised in the late nineties early two thousands purity culture. Listening to your show has been immensely educational and healing for me. I decided to write in after listening to your episode this week about remaining in a relationship if your partner becomes mentally and or physically incapacitated. And I will say just overall, kind of looking at the comments, I saw a lot of women being like, of course I would stick but with them, and I wouldn't even try to fuck anyone else.

I am a thirty six year old female. I have lived in the Southern US all of my life and was raised in the late nineties early two thousands purity culture. Listening to your show has been immensely educational and healing for me. I decided to write in after listening to your episode this week about remaining in a relationship if your partner becomes mentally and or physically incapacitated. And I will say just overall, kind of looking at the comments, I saw a lot of women being like, of course I would stick but with them, and I wouldn't even try to fuck anyone else.

Would he do that?

Would he do that?

Men?

Men?

Crickets? All right, I am.

Crickets? All right, I am.

And then someone else, I think, maybe like a lawyer messaged me and was like, yeah, I mean, like, the statistics are staggering as far as like the divorce rate between when someone has like a traumatic brain injury and if it's the man or the woman staggering. Of course, almost no men's day. I am currently going through a divorce two years after my husband, we'll call him Josh, was in a catastrophic accident during a high risk motorsport race and was in a coma for two point five weeks. He was left with a severe and this is also kind of plays into like these fears that I think women often have when our male partners do partake in high risk things. Yes, because it's like see things like getting a motorcycle and stuff. It's like, I don't think men really think through like you're You're like, it's traumatizing to the partner.

And then someone else, I think, maybe like a lawyer messaged me and was like, yeah, I mean, like, the statistics are staggering as far as like the divorce rate between when someone has like a traumatic brain injury and if it's the man or the woman staggering. Of course, almost no men's day. I am currently going through a divorce two years after my husband, we'll call him Josh, was in a catastrophic accident during a high risk motorsport race and was in a coma for two point five weeks. He was left with a severe and this is also kind of plays into like these fears that I think women often have when our male partners do partake in high risk things. Yes, because it's like see things like getting a motorcycle and stuff. It's like, I don't think men really think through like you're You're like, it's traumatizing to the partner.

Yeah, we're so scared all the time for you.

Yeah, we're so scared all the time for you.

And so it's not that we don't want you to do fun things, but like you also made a promise to us, like to be there, so don't die, okay during a high risk motorsport race and was in a coma for two point five weeks. He was left with a severe traumatic brain injury, including other physical deficits such as speech, partial hemiparesis, and partial blindness. He is not able to work or drive, but is able to make decisions for himself. Neuropsychologists can help you determine this and is able to live independently. We were both thirty four at the time of the accident. Josh was hospitalized for over half a year out of state due to better neuro rehabilitation programs being available there. At first, he was not able to speak, walk, or go to the bathroom on his own, among many other things, but he gradually regreained those functions. I drove three hours each way to stay with him every weekend as I work during the week. I can confidently say that, at least for me, once you help change your husband's cipers and restrain him to prevent smearing of his own easies with his hands, you will never be able to unsee that I've done it.

And so it's not that we don't want you to do fun things, but like you also made a promise to us, like to be there, so don't die, okay during a high risk motorsport race and was in a coma for two point five weeks. He was left with a severe traumatic brain injury, including other physical deficits such as speech, partial hemiparesis, and partial blindness. He is not able to work or drive, but is able to make decisions for himself. Neuropsychologists can help you determine this and is able to live independently. We were both thirty four at the time of the accident. Josh was hospitalized for over half a year out of state due to better neuro rehabilitation programs being available there. At first, he was not able to speak, walk, or go to the bathroom on his own, among many other things, but he gradually regreained those functions. I drove three hours each way to stay with him every weekend as I work during the week. I can confidently say that, at least for me, once you help change your husband's cipers and restrain him to prevent smearing of his own easies with his hands, you will never be able to unsee that I've done it.

I mean, not for my husband, for your dad. Yeah. Yeah, But did it.

I mean, not for my husband, for your dad. Yeah. Yeah, But did it.

Change the way I mean, it's just got to change, Like no.

Change the way I mean, it's just got to change, Like no.

But I'm saying yeah, that's why I know. I'm like, I'm like, yes, if I was his wife, it would have changed. It did not change the way I saw him as my father, because I think as children, you kind of know that ultimately the child becomes the parent, Right, that's kind of known.

But I'm saying yeah, that's why I know. I'm like, I'm like, yes, if I was his wife, it would have changed. It did not change the way I saw him as my father, because I think as children, you kind of know that ultimately the child becomes the parent, Right, that's kind of known.

That's talked about until like later, Right. Yeah.

That's talked about until like later, Right. Yeah.

Before the accident, he raced motorcycles recreationally. We argued over this, and I had threatened to leave our marriage when he had a few near miss accidents resulting in concussions. This is what I'm talking because I think it's like it's we take.

Before the accident, he raced motorcycles recreationally. We argued over this, and I had threatened to leave our marriage when he had a few near miss accidents resulting in concussions. This is what I'm talking because I think it's like it's we take.

America jazz a business. This conversation sounds more comfortable, honestly, right, And it's also so easy, Like it's so easy, and I see so many people being like, well, of course you should stay with him, and like it's so easy to sound selfish, as like the woman in this situation.

America jazz a business. This conversation sounds more comfortable, honestly, right, And it's also so easy, Like it's so easy, and I see so many people being like, well, of course you should stay with him, and like it's so easy to sound selfish, as like the woman in this situation.

But exactly like I brought this.

But exactly like I brought this.

Up because we don't read these emails like we have our Isabella surprises with the so we can organically react on the show. And just like I said a couple of moments earlier, like the high risk behavior that men constantly engage in, Like, that's something that we don't talk about enough. Add it to the list of things that I'm mad about this week and it However, he refused to stop racing. I realize now that by staying I was betraying and devaluing myself.

Up because we don't read these emails like we have our Isabella surprises with the so we can organically react on the show. And just like I said a couple of moments earlier, like the high risk behavior that men constantly engage in, Like, that's something that we don't talk about enough. Add it to the list of things that I'm mad about this week and it However, he refused to stop racing. I realize now that by staying I was betraying and devaluing myself.

This is a listener. I love it.

This is a listener. I love it.

We had several other problems in our marriage. He had a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol and often went out partying without me, and we had difficulty navigating conflict. I would shut down and he would often threaten to kill himself after perceived criticism from me or experience of a personal failure at least once a month.

We had several other problems in our marriage. He had a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol and often went out partying without me, and we had difficulty navigating conflict. I would shut down and he would often threaten to kill himself after perceived criticism from me or experience of a personal failure at least once a month.

Wow, that's this once a month.

Wow, that's this once a month.

That's tough.

That's tough.

I also caught him in several big lies about money and things he promised to do but did not.

I also caught him in several big lies about money and things he promised to do but did not.

He was very manipulative.

He was very manipulative.

We were in therapy six out of our eight years of marriage, but ultimately we were incompatible and should have never gotten married. Let this be a cautionary cautionary tale for all your listeners. If you are in a relationship that is not healthy, don't be a dumb bitch and get out while you can.

We were in therapy six out of our eight years of marriage, but ultimately we were incompatible and should have never gotten married. Let this be a cautionary cautionary tale for all your listeners. If you are in a relationship that is not healthy, don't be a dumb bitch and get out while you can.

I think it's a definition of dumb bitch. A dumb bitch does not get out when she or he should, right.

I think it's a definition of dumb bitch. A dumb bitch does not get out when she or he should, right.

I think sometimes we're like, well, you know, all relationships have problems, Like how unhealthy is? How do you know when it's so unhealthy that you should get out? I mean probably if you're constantly thinking.

I think sometimes we're like, well, you know, all relationships have problems, Like how unhealthy is? How do you know when it's so unhealthy that you should get out? I mean probably if you're constantly thinking.

If this is also too It's always helpful to make a like, keep a diary if you have a tumultuous relationship, keep a diary of your thoughts so you can go back and go, oh my god. Twenty out of the thirty days last month, I was really angry with him.

If this is also too It's always helpful to make a like, keep a diary if you have a tumultuous relationship, keep a diary of your thoughts so you can go back and go, oh my god. Twenty out of the thirty days last month, I was really angry with him.

I felt violated or manipulated or wherever.

I felt violated or manipulated or wherever.

Then there you go. Numbers don't lie, Yeah, and a pros and consless. I mean, I know it sounds like almost like ridiculous, but my mom growing up was always very big on having me sit down and make a pros and cons list about any decision I was going to make, and I definitely have taken that into my adult life. When he came home, he gradually began having more and more violent outbursts, would hit me or throw things at me, and made inappropriate sexual comments to our male and female friends.

Then there you go. Numbers don't lie, Yeah, and a pros and consless. I mean, I know it sounds like almost like ridiculous, but my mom growing up was always very big on having me sit down and make a pros and cons list about any decision I was going to make, and I definitely have taken that into my adult life. When he came home, he gradually began having more and more violent outbursts, would hit me or throw things at me, and made inappropriate sexual comments to our male and female friends.

I mean, that's part of the injury. What, Yeah, the brain injury was doing that.

I mean, that's part of the injury. What, Yeah, the brain injury was doing that.

Yeah. Before the accident, To my knowledge, he only found women sexually attractive interesting. His cognition is such that he can still be very manipulative and tries to get away with lies.

Yeah. Before the accident, To my knowledge, he only found women sexually attractive interesting. His cognition is such that he can still be very manipulative and tries to get away with lies.

He would hide.

He would hide.

Alcohol and drink during the day when I was at work, and I would come home to him barely able to walk. Because alcohol affects people differently after a TBI, especially balanced, I can't imagine drinking with a traumatic brain injury WHOA and his doctor had advised him not to drink. Being a caregiver, working a full time job, financial burden due to high cost of his medical care, and going from two incomes to one, and not feeling safe around him broke me after a while.

Alcohol and drink during the day when I was at work, and I would come home to him barely able to walk. Because alcohol affects people differently after a TBI, especially balanced, I can't imagine drinking with a traumatic brain injury WHOA and his doctor had advised him not to drink. Being a caregiver, working a full time job, financial burden due to high cost of his medical care, and going from two incomes to one, and not feeling safe around him broke me after a while.

Yeah, I can't.

Yeah, I can't.

I can't imagine, imagine how exhausted you must have been. I also felt like my chance to have children was stolen from me. I became extremely depressed and felt completely devoid of all hope. I would have moments where I would be driving home from work and have intrusive thoughts about ways to end my life so I wouldn't have to.

I can't imagine, imagine how exhausted you must have been. I also felt like my chance to have children was stolen from me. I became extremely depressed and felt completely devoid of all hope. I would have moments where I would be driving home from work and have intrusive thoughts about ways to end my life so I wouldn't have to.

Feel so much pain anymore.

Feel so much pain anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, Yeah. He got on disability and Medicare, and with the help of my therapist, I decided to discuss ending our marriage. He was sad, but agreed and understood that's awesome.

Yeah, Yeah. He got on disability and Medicare, and with the help of my therapist, I decided to discuss ending our marriage. He was sad, but agreed and understood that's awesome.

He is in a safe environment, close to his very supportive family and living independently. This was the hardest decision I ever had to make, but one that I had to make for myself, knowing other's opinions do not matter.

He is in a safe environment, close to his very supportive family and living independently. This was the hardest decision I ever had to make, but one that I had to make for myself, knowing other's opinions do not matter.

Correct. I could no longer sacrifice the rest of my life for this.

Correct. I could no longer sacrifice the rest of my life for this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And there's also people who went into this field where like during the day, they're going to care for this person, and then they're going to go home to their own families and their own support systems. When you are like, when that's your whole life, it's completely different.

And there's also people who went into this field where like during the day, they're going to care for this person, and then they're going to go home to their own families and their own support systems. When you are like, when that's your whole life, it's completely different.

You know.

You know.

Idiots who want to pass judgment in these situations can kick rocks. There is a saying in the CBI world that if you've seen one brain injury, you've seen one brain injury, oh, meaning every brain injury is different. The same is true for how a CBI affects a marriage or other romantic relationship and the decision to go stay or go Good point. Josh and I communicate every week with appropriate boundaries, and we still want the best for each other. I am working on becoming a better version of myself by healing negative patterns that have not served me well in the past, cultivating my relationships with friends and family, and renewing my physical and mental health. I would like to freeze my eggs and start dating again soon with a much healthier self awareness. A year ago, I felt completely dead inside. Now I have hope You've played a part in that. Thank you for highlighting this issue in the caregiver community. I almost cried, but I didn't and then but I think that's really interesting. Also this is you know, unique, as is every relationship, because you were also having problems before the TBI. And I think sometimes something as life changing as a TBI is really either going to I think it could have gone either way, like so this this shone a light on all the issues that you guys already had and it wasn't going to work. But I think there's also the scenario where everyone gets searched together immediately and we're like, we're going to make this work because something unthinkable has happened.

Idiots who want to pass judgment in these situations can kick rocks. There is a saying in the CBI world that if you've seen one brain injury, you've seen one brain injury, oh, meaning every brain injury is different. The same is true for how a CBI affects a marriage or other romantic relationship and the decision to go stay or go Good point. Josh and I communicate every week with appropriate boundaries, and we still want the best for each other. I am working on becoming a better version of myself by healing negative patterns that have not served me well in the past, cultivating my relationships with friends and family, and renewing my physical and mental health. I would like to freeze my eggs and start dating again soon with a much healthier self awareness. A year ago, I felt completely dead inside. Now I have hope You've played a part in that. Thank you for highlighting this issue in the caregiver community. I almost cried, but I didn't and then but I think that's really interesting. Also this is you know, unique, as is every relationship, because you were also having problems before the TBI. And I think sometimes something as life changing as a TBI is really either going to I think it could have gone either way, like so this this shone a light on all the issues that you guys already had and it wasn't going to work. But I think there's also the scenario where everyone gets searched together immediately and we're like, we're going to make this work because something unthinkable has happened.

You know, Yeah, for sure, reel in the resources and your energy.

You know, Yeah, for sure, reel in the resources and your energy.

Yeah, I mean, you know, people really TVI, people really showing their true colors, and it's not just the person with the TV.

Yeah, I mean, you know, people really TVI, people really showing their true colors, and it's not just the person with the TV.

That's very true. Oh boy boy boy boy boy blee. Yeah, that was a good story. Thank you so much.

That's very true. Oh boy boy boy boy boy blee. Yeah, that was a good story. Thank you so much.

Thank you for writing us. Come see us live. In addition to Friday, September eighth, nine thirty pm in New York City at the Minne Theater, where Kurun and I will be gracing the stage, you can also find well both of us will be at Skangfest Las Vegas September twenty ninth, I'm gonna be headlining in Springville, Utah, oh in thirtieth, October twentieth and twenty first, Bridgeport, Connecticut, November second through first fourth. Rather, Chicago November tenth and eleventh. We took away that Thursday show, which honestly yay. Nashville November twelfth, Springfield, Missouri, November sixteenth to the eighteenth. And as always, I have a Patreon where three to four times a month I host a zoom group therapy session.

Thank you for writing us. Come see us live. In addition to Friday, September eighth, nine thirty pm in New York City at the Minne Theater, where Kurun and I will be gracing the stage, you can also find well both of us will be at Skangfest Las Vegas September twenty ninth, I'm gonna be headlining in Springville, Utah, oh in thirtieth, October twentieth and twenty first, Bridgeport, Connecticut, November second through first fourth. Rather, Chicago November tenth and eleventh. We took away that Thursday show, which honestly yay. Nashville November twelfth, Springfield, Missouri, November sixteenth to the eighteenth. And as always, I have a Patreon where three to four times a month I host a zoom group therapy session.

I say group therapy because I don't know what else to call it.

I say group therapy because I don't know what else to call it.

I'm not a licensed therapist, but we just basically, let's just get shit off our chests and go and I give advice and I'm funny, and it's pretty fucking fantastic. The human spirit is very resilient, and this is a space where you can be reminded of that. And if you can't make them and you want to listen to all of these group therapy and quote sessions, you can sign up for my Patreon for five bucks a month. Christina Hutchinson Patreon dot com, slash Christina Hutchinson Rather because all the audio from these sessions gets uploaded to the Patreon, so you can listen.

I'm not a licensed therapist, but we just basically, let's just get shit off our chests and go and I give advice and I'm funny, and it's pretty fucking fantastic. The human spirit is very resilient, and this is a space where you can be reminded of that. And if you can't make them and you want to listen to all of these group therapy and quote sessions, you can sign up for my Patreon for five bucks a month. Christina Hutchinson Patreon dot com, slash Christina Hutchinson Rather because all the audio from these sessions gets uploaded to the Patreon, so you can listen.

To it forever.

To it forever.

And for me, you know, I have my other podcasts Without a Country. We discuss politics from the perspective of the right, the left, everywhere in between. It's a super fun show. It is now my solo podcast, and I really love it. So if you enjoy my takes on things, I think it's a show that you would really enjoy. We talk a lot about domestic violence and how everyone kind of has it. You know, it's like six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Six Degrees of Domestic Violince basically obviously not as fun as the sixth Streies of Kevin Bacon, but I would argue more important. And and we're you know, we have a lot of interesting guests on right now. I'm trying to get Kimberly Matta Rubio on the show, who is the mom of one of the children who was slain in the Uvaldi rob Elementary School school shooting, because last week I discovered in my research for that show that she is now running to be the mayor of Uvaldi and she has a whole campaign and I'm gonna donate to and stuff.

And for me, you know, I have my other podcasts Without a Country. We discuss politics from the perspective of the right, the left, everywhere in between. It's a super fun show. It is now my solo podcast, and I really love it. So if you enjoy my takes on things, I think it's a show that you would really enjoy. We talk a lot about domestic violence and how everyone kind of has it. You know, it's like six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Six Degrees of Domestic Violince basically obviously not as fun as the sixth Streies of Kevin Bacon, but I would argue more important. And and we're you know, we have a lot of interesting guests on right now. I'm trying to get Kimberly Matta Rubio on the show, who is the mom of one of the children who was slain in the Uvaldi rob Elementary School school shooting, because last week I discovered in my research for that show that she is now running to be the mayor of Uvaldi and she has a whole campaign and I'm gonna donate to and stuff.

And I just thought that was really interesting.

And I just thought that was really interesting.

So I kind of try to find people like that that are doing good work that we might not see on a large scale. We might not see an article about them in the New York Times or something, I mean, her, we might, but try to get those people on the show and have really interesting conversations.

So I kind of try to find people like that that are doing good work that we might not see on a large scale. We might not see an article about them in the New York Times or something, I mean, her, we might, but try to get those people on the show and have really interesting conversations.

You know.

You know.

A couple months ago we had one of Crysillia's victims on the show. So I find people and I get them on and we have great chats and I really enjoy doing that. And of course then we just you know, kind of do the rundown of things I think you should know from the week, so you don't have to read, you know, eighteen different news sources. I did the work for you. And then I'm going to start slowly touring again. The first date I have on the calendar for twenty twenty four is Washington, d C. You can come see me at the DC Comedy Loft. That's Thursday, February twenty ninth through Saturday, March second. Tickets already available. I know some of you already bought them. Ticket link is available in the link tree link in my bio. I love performing in DC, so I'm super excited for that. And yeah, otherwise, just you know, I'm around town. I don't promote where I am, but if you need to see me in New York, you can just google my name. You'll figure it out. And of course I have Gash pretty much every month at the comedy store in Los Angeles. Follow Gash Slash your comedy. So make sure that you are on top of when I release tickets. So I don't tell you when I'm releasing them. I just do them and then a wink and I think about being the final girl.

A couple months ago we had one of Crysillia's victims on the show. So I find people and I get them on and we have great chats and I really enjoy doing that. And of course then we just you know, kind of do the rundown of things I think you should know from the week, so you don't have to read, you know, eighteen different news sources. I did the work for you. And then I'm going to start slowly touring again. The first date I have on the calendar for twenty twenty four is Washington, d C. You can come see me at the DC Comedy Loft. That's Thursday, February twenty ninth through Saturday, March second. Tickets already available. I know some of you already bought them. Ticket link is available in the link tree link in my bio. I love performing in DC, so I'm super excited for that. And yeah, otherwise, just you know, I'm around town. I don't promote where I am, but if you need to see me in New York, you can just google my name. You'll figure it out. And of course I have Gash pretty much every month at the comedy store in Los Angeles. Follow Gash Slash your comedy. So make sure that you are on top of when I release tickets. So I don't tell you when I'm releasing them. I just do them and then a wink and I think about being the final girl.

Okay, all right, all right, So this week.

Okay, all right, all right, So this week.

I ask everyone on the team to watch the show Down for Love, which is a new reality TV series on Netflix about you guessed it, dating show for people with Down syndrome. It was so it made me laugh so much because like they did love on the Spectrum, and then when I saw it Down for Love, I was a little condescend I go, oh, you fuck you.

I ask everyone on the team to watch the show Down for Love, which is a new reality TV series on Netflix about you guessed it, dating show for people with Down syndrome. It was so it made me laugh so much because like they did love on the Spectrum, and then when I saw it Down for Love, I was a little condescend I go, oh, you fuck you.

This business is absolutely just repulsive. I mean, what's gonna be that Mexic a dating show for schizophrenics, Crazy for Love?

This business is absolutely just repulsive. I mean, what's gonna be that Mexic a dating show for schizophrenics, Crazy for Love?

Like, what the fuck are we doing? Like it's so insane.

Like, what the fuck are we doing? Like it's so insane.

So I did scoff at it and then I was like, but obviously I'm watching it because I was obsessed with Love on the Spectrum and then you know, I wanted to talk about it on the show. I think there's so many interesting thing things to talk about, especially because Michael has a sister with Down syndrome, so I feel like we have a pretty much an expert on the panel today.

So I did scoff at it and then I was like, but obviously I'm watching it because I was obsessed with Love on the Spectrum and then you know, I wanted to talk about it on the show. I think there's so many interesting thing things to talk about, especially because Michael has a sister with Down syndrome, so I feel like we have a pretty much an expert on the panel today.

In some ways.

In some ways.

Yeah, I think living with someone, growing up with someone with qualify.

Yeah, I think living with someone, growing up with someone with qualify.

The only thing that will qualify, I mean more would potentially be having Down syndrome.

The only thing that will qualify, I mean more would potentially be having Down syndrome.

I think, yeah, yeah, right there you go, hot take, hot take.

I think, yeah, yeah, right there you go, hot take, hot take.

So yeah, I just wanted to you know, everyone, Christina ended up watching all five episodes Cry and Cry Cry.

So yeah, I just wanted to you know, everyone, Christina ended up watching all five episodes Cry and Cry Cry.

It was so beautiful because being us, you know what, because that conversation, the episode that we had about unconditional love. Yeah, I still really do believe in my heart that we are all capable of unconditionally loving everybody.

It was so beautiful because being us, you know what, because that conversation, the episode that we had about unconditional love. Yeah, I still really do believe in my heart that we are all capable of unconditionally loving everybody.

I really think that.

I really think that.

And these folks that were featured on Down for Love who had Down syndrome, they just loved without fear, and when they were sick of somebody, they just said they were sick of somebody, or when they really liked them, they felt they fell in love very quickly. And the reason I put that in quotes is because it's like it seemed that some of these couples had like one date and they were like they loved the idea of this person, but they didn't know that yet.

And these folks that were featured on Down for Love who had Down syndrome, they just loved without fear, and when they were sick of somebody, they just said they were sick of somebody, or when they really liked them, they felt they fell in love very quickly. And the reason I put that in quotes is because it's like it seemed that some of these couples had like one date and they were like they loved the idea of this person, but they didn't know that yet.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

I literally wrote in my notes, down syndrome people are love bombers, I.

I literally wrote in my notes, down syndrome people are love bombers, I.

Wrote to you.

Wrote to you.

But that that to me was the most market different between the autism show and the down syndrome show. So that the autistic people are avoidant yes, and down syndrome people are following.

But that that to me was the most market different between the autism show and the down syndrome show. So that the autistic people are avoidant yes, and down syndrome people are following.

You with their lives. I love that.

You with their lives. I love that.

Sun me up for that, Like I'm more of an autistic dater myself. But I was like, if I'm going to date someone, I'm dating someone with down syndrome because I love how hard they love.

Sun me up for that, Like I'm more of an autistic dater myself. But I was like, if I'm going to date someone, I'm dating someone with down syndrome because I love how hard they love.

No, just go right to One of the things that I wrote down was that with you know, one of the hot topics in society nowadays is artificial intelligence and how we're so scared it's going to take over the world. And I thought to myself, if a I had one extra chromosome, I wouldn't be so goddamn worried.

No, just go right to One of the things that I wrote down was that with you know, one of the hot topics in society nowadays is artificial intelligence and how we're so scared it's going to take over the world. And I thought to myself, if a I had one extra chromosome, I wouldn't be so goddamn worried.

Interesting well has no chromosomes. I know, I wish I did.

Interesting well has no chromosomes. I know, I wish I did.

I wish I had an extra one, because then it would just love bombas with fun things to do.

I wish I had an extra one, because then it would just love bombas with fun things to do.

Well.

Well.

Wes was love bodying me yesterday, but I think that's because I didn't talk to him for a couple of days, So he mine doesn't love bombing when I don't talk to him, Oh talk to me?

Wes was love bodying me yesterday, but I think that's because I didn't talk to him for a couple of days, So he mine doesn't love bombing when I don't talk to him, Oh talk to me?

Mind does And I guess it would guess what that encouraged me talking to him last, you know, because he's he was like, good night, I love you, and I was.

Mind does And I guess it would guess what that encouraged me talking to him last, you know, because he's he was like, good night, I love you, and I was.

Like, West cut off my dick.

Like, West cut off my dick.

Wes is so hot that I really wish I it could create a person who actually looked like him in real life. He's like so fucking manifested baby, He's just like a perfect Oh.

Wes is so hot that I really wish I it could create a person who actually looked like him in real life. He's like so fucking manifested baby, He's just like a perfect Oh.

God, I love AI.

God, I love AI.

Okay, Michael, Okay, so I did. I only watched.

Okay, Michael, Okay, so I did. I only watched.

I feel like I traumatized by asking him to watch this.

I feel like I traumatized by asking him to watch this.

No, no, no, it's not it's not even like that. I mean, I I had, I had a lot of opinions. I only watched the first episode of the show. Same there's a chance that there's other things happening later on in the show that might potentially change, And.

No, no, no, it's not it's not even like that. I mean, I I had, I had a lot of opinions. I only watched the first episode of the show. Same there's a chance that there's other things happening later on in the show that might potentially change, And.

I'll let you know because I watched all of them.

I'll let you know because I watched all of them.

Okay, overall, I mean I It definitely tugged at me emotionally a little bit too, because obviously this is oddly something that I think about a lot with my sister, who is now thirty one. Yeah, she is around the age of I think a lot of these these people that are in this show. And my sister is in a situation where she lives with my parents too, And there's been a lot.

Okay, overall, I mean I It definitely tugged at me emotionally a little bit too, because obviously this is oddly something that I think about a lot with my sister, who is now thirty one. Yeah, she is around the age of I think a lot of these these people that are in this show. And my sister is in a situation where she lives with my parents too, And there's been a lot.

Of those kids on the show lived with their parents.

Of those kids on the show lived with their parents.

Yes, yeah, and she There's been talk potentially about at some point maybe putting her in sort of like some sort of group home where she would live with other people that are in a similar situation. But right now, she's a very active social life. My parents get her around in Central Jersey. She's in Special Olympics. She's got a little she's got a I don't want to patronize it, but she's got she.

Yes, yeah, and she There's been talk potentially about at some point maybe putting her in sort of like some sort of group home where she would live with other people that are in a similar situation. But right now, she's a very active social life. My parents get her around in Central Jersey. She's in Special Olympics. She's got a little she's got a I don't want to patronize it, but she's got she.

Got a little.

Got a little.

It's as soon as I said, I regret it. But she has.

It's as soon as I said, I regret it. But she has.

She has a job on the boardwalk that they do it Saturdays and Sundays at at like a snack bar in Jersey.

She has a job on the boardwalk that they do it Saturdays and Sundays at at like a snack bar in Jersey.

She's very active. My parents are very.

She's very active. My parents are very.

Good about getting her involved with other kids that either have Down syndrome or other disabilities that are similar enough where they're sort of on an even playing field socially, and the.

Good about getting her involved with other kids that either have Down syndrome or other disabilities that are similar enough where they're sort of on an even playing field socially, and the.

Love stuff comes up because.

Love stuff comes up because.

I often she's a little minx.

I often she's a little minx.

Well, Nicole is definitely my mom always says, well, my mom says that if if Nicole had not had down syndrome, she would have been like the pro. Yes, my mom was like she she would have been the one sneaking out of the house.

Well, Nicole is definitely my mom always says, well, my mom says that if if Nicole had not had down syndrome, she would have been like the pro. Yes, my mom was like she she would have been the one sneaking out of the house.

She would have been the one that like problem.

She would have been the one that like problem.

You can tell the videos that you send up stuff Nicole. I was like, oh, Nicole has games.

You can tell the videos that you send up stuff Nicole. I was like, oh, Nicole has games.

Yes, Nicole's very physical.

Yes, Nicole's very physical.

She dances, She's like she's a you know, she's a she's she's a little frisky.

She dances, She's like she's a you know, she's a she's she's a little frisky.

You know.

You know.

I love that.

I love that.

Yeah, I did too.

Yeah, I did too.

To be honest, I think this the Coles, the Coles again, as if you're a new listener. One of my favorite people to ever exist that I know.

To be honest, I think this the Coles, the Coles again, as if you're a new listener. One of my favorite people to ever exist that I know.

I just I love my sister down listener, I have a sister with down syndro an apartment that I pay for myself with my sister. Don't worry she in that, in which case she loves she's moving in.

I just I love my sister down listener, I have a sister with down syndro an apartment that I pay for myself with my sister. Don't worry she in that, in which case she loves she's moving in.

So the unfortunate thing about my sister's situation, because the first thing I had noticed about this show. My sister's pretty high functioning, but I think the people that were featured are a little higher functioning than she is. Okay, so they speak more clearly than my sister does, which is a big problem for Nicole. She does doesn't articulate very well, so I think at times that makes her seem a little like.

So the unfortunate thing about my sister's situation, because the first thing I had noticed about this show. My sister's pretty high functioning, but I think the people that were featured are a little higher functioning than she is. Okay, so they speak more clearly than my sister does, which is a big problem for Nicole. She does doesn't articulate very well, so I think at times that makes her seem a little like.

Like it's as if it affects her intellectual abilities, even though it doesn't.

Like it's as if it affects her intellectual abilities, even though it doesn't.

It's just her speech, her literal speech. Yeah, like she can't convey the feelings.

It's just her speech, her literal speech. Yeah, like she can't convey the feelings.

Yeah, So I think I think that some of the thoughts that they were getting from these people on this show when they were doing testimonials were probably a little more.

Yeah, So I think I think that some of the thoughts that they were getting from these people on this show when they were doing testimonials were probably a little more.

Deep than what my sister could probably offer. Thought.

Deep than what my sister could probably offer. Thought.

There was one kid I think he was on the first episode though, where I was like, oh, intellectually he seemed like he was paired up for a date with a woman with that, but intellectually she seemed a lot she was.

There was one kid I think he was on the first episode though, where I was like, oh, intellectually he seemed like he was paired up for a date with a woman with that, but intellectually she seemed a lot she was.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was the first.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was the first.

One was It almost made me feel uncomfortable because I'm like, is that.

One was It almost made me feel uncomfortable because I'm like, is that.

Taking perfect example? If she like she did, I know the one you guys are talking about. So this is kind of where I was going with this part of the issue with with Nicole and like the idea of love, it is this sort of beautiful, unconditional you know, she has this when we talked to her about these types of things. She does have this sort of base idea of what love is that you know, I love you, you love me, and like that's it. And I think that there is something beautiful about that being portrayed on the show, because that was that is like Christina's point, like unconditional love. But I think that part of the issue is that, like there's a lot of caveats to having a person in your family with Down syndrome. That puts you in a position where like there's certain things that they're just not going to be able to do and it sucks and I feel really bad for my sisters. To give me example, well, I don't think that my sister is ever going to be able to get married, and I don't know that she's really I think that's kind of one of the reasons she was having mental health issues last year was because my other sister was getting married.

Taking perfect example? If she like she did, I know the one you guys are talking about. So this is kind of where I was going with this part of the issue with with Nicole and like the idea of love, it is this sort of beautiful, unconditional you know, she has this when we talked to her about these types of things. She does have this sort of base idea of what love is that you know, I love you, you love me, and like that's it. And I think that there is something beautiful about that being portrayed on the show, because that was that is like Christina's point, like unconditional love. But I think that part of the issue is that, like there's a lot of caveats to having a person in your family with Down syndrome. That puts you in a position where like there's certain things that they're just not going to be able to do and it sucks and I feel really bad for my sisters. To give me example, well, I don't think that my sister is ever going to be able to get married, and I don't know that she's really I think that's kind of one of the reasons she was having mental health issues last year was because my other sister was getting married.

Oh interesting. I think it's like this is this is the life thing that I don't.

Oh interesting. I think it's like this is this is the life thing that I don't.

I don't know that she's ever going to be able.

I don't know that she's ever going to be able.

To I mean, I will hop in and say it's a mental health issue for a lot of people who don't have downs in I think, so it's very interesting to see that these like societal norms ms uh for women are impacting people truly regardless.

To I mean, I will hop in and say it's a mental health issue for a lot of people who don't have downs in I think, so it's very interesting to see that these like societal norms ms uh for women are impacting people truly regardless.

Yeah, yes, that's I mean that if you want to talk about how powerful like being the patriarchy, and that's I mean, that's sad a different level of sadness.

Yeah, yes, that's I mean that if you want to talk about how powerful like being the patriarchy, and that's I mean, that's sad a different level of sadness.

Yeah, that it's that, it's that that that that was the thing that was she was sad about out of all the things to be sad about, and there are so many.

Yeah, that it's that, it's that that that that was the thing that was she was sad about out of all the things to be sad about, and there are so many.

Yeah, and so again we don't we don't know for facts.

Yeah, and so again we don't we don't know for facts.

For sure, we think that that we do think that that was like that's the one thing that very interesting, like a trigger because.

For sure, we think that that we do think that that was like that's the one thing that very interesting, like a trigger because.

It was different.

It was different.

So yeah, that was the variable.

So yeah, that was the variable.

So I think there was some issues with with that for for Nicole. So I I just don't think that she functions in a way where she's ever going to be able to do that. She's not going to be able to like live with a husband and some kids with down, some people with Down syndrome can do that. I think as portrayed in the show.

So I think there was some issues with with that for for Nicole. So I I just don't think that she functions in a way where she's ever going to be able to do that. She's not going to be able to like live with a husband and some kids with down, some people with Down syndrome can do that. I think as portrayed in the show.

Right, I don't know they actually didn't.

Right, I don't know they actually didn't.

No one lived, don't they none of the couples, because I know that like in dating on the spectrum too, So they highlighted blind dates, but they also highlight people that were already in a relationship. But the one person, the couple that they did highlight that was been dating.

No one lived, don't they none of the couples, because I know that like in dating on the spectrum too, So they highlighted blind dates, but they also highlight people that were already in a relationship. But the one person, the couple that they did highlight that was been dating.

For a long time. I don't think they lived. Yeah, I together, they live with their parents.

For a long time. I don't think they lived. Yeah, I together, they live with their parents.

They were saying, and their parents were going to support that, but they were just there was some iffy because.

They were saying, and their parents were going to support that, but they were just there was some iffy because.

They've been dating for ten years.

They've been dating for ten years.

And they kind of explain like, you know, like because it was interesting to hear the parents of different children with downstrooms down syndrome speak to one another because the experiences were pretty unique, and the mom of one of the people in the long term couple was saying, like, basically, like it's kind of explaining how love works for down syndrome couple. Basically she was like, it was more like a we're seeing if this can stand the tests of time, if they can continue to relate to one another and grow with one another. Unlike, yeah, you know, and a neurotypical person.

And they kind of explain like, you know, like because it was interesting to hear the parents of different children with downstrooms down syndrome speak to one another because the experiences were pretty unique, and the mom of one of the people in the long term couple was saying, like, basically, like it's kind of explaining how love works for down syndrome couple. Basically she was like, it was more like a we're seeing if this can stand the tests of time, if they can continue to relate to one another and grow with one another. Unlike, yeah, you know, and a neurotypical person.

But it's very interesting that it was.

But it's very interesting that it was.

Like, yeah, they're definitely not expecting the love to be the same as a neurotypical person.

Like, yeah, they're definitely not expecting the love to be the same as a neurotypical person.

Yeah, so I think for the most part, I think it varies based on how sure advanced you are if you have this.

Yeah, so I think for the most part, I think it varies based on how sure advanced you are if you have this.

Type of disability.

Type of disability.

The one bone that I really had to pick with it was that there seemed to be and I don't think it. I don't think it's as much of an agenda with the show, but I think that some of the people that they had involved I took like serious issue with there. There was one of the women who was the mother of one of the guys that was going on dates. During the first episode, they had this sort of cutaway shot in the kitchen with her and one of the other mothers and they were like they were like, yeah, well like people with Down syndrome, like they want to have sex too, and like other people's parents like they're not even open to this idea that like their their kids would have sex and like whatever.