Kia ora. Petra Bagust here, and I have been thinking a bit about what makes up the ‘grey areas’ of our lives, because I think that’s a huge part of why this podcast works.

To me, a ‘grey area’ is a tricky space. A delicate space. A space that can bring, maybe discomfort or discouragement, or cause isolation.

Maybe a 'grey area' is something that has been talked about using ‘you should’ or ‘you ought’ - you know, obligation language.

Or it’s an area that has simply not been talked about at all.

And the thing is, so much of our life takes place in those ‘grey areas’... Stuff isn’t clearcut and straightforward.

Life is messy and fragmented and there’s something kind of magical that happens when those long-held unhelpful norms and narratives are re-examined in the light of a spacious, gracious vulnerability.

When we get to hear our stories - when we have the courage to say ‘this is me’... it may not be polished and presentable and perfect, but it’s what I’ve got.

And it's enough.

So… with all that said, I am very happy to announce that we’re about to kick off Season 4, and as always I’m joined by some wonderful human beings.

This season includes Anika Moa, Dame Susan Devoy, Charlotte Cook, Kiri Nathan, Stacey Morrison, Irene van Dyk. We even chat with a specialist about skin irritations that can happen 'down there' - you know where; our vulvas. Let's talk about it.

We're gonna dig deep into menopause, diabetes, heartbreak, friendship, cultural changes, body hair, and stacks of other societal ‘Grey Areas’.

So join me for the joy ride that is Season 4 of Grey Areas!

New episodes drop weekly from September 7th on rova, or wherever you get your favourite podcasts.

Song credit: Korimako, Performed by Aro, Written by Emily Looker and Charles Looker and published by Songbroker.