In this episode, we talk to Australian journalist and podcaster, Mark Fennell, about his new SBS documentary, The Kingdom, which explores the rise of Hillsong church, a powerhouse in the Pentecostal movement, not just in Australia, but worldwide.The conversation examines everything from the show biz side of the congregation - music, lights, and razzle dazzle - to the business model that brings billions of dollars into the church coffers.Hosting this conversation, on everything from Fennell’s upbringing in the evangelical movement to the confrontation and catharsis of making a doco about it, is Good Weekend senior writer, Tim Elliott.