This week Reid and Dan host international artist, Kip Moore, out in God's Country. The guys dive head first into breaking down the shift the Nashville music community is seeing, the art of original songwriting, and what it's been like witnessing the massive changes over the last 15 years. Kip shares his most recent adventure of taking a nine-day motorcycle trip down the coast of California and into the Baja Peninsula that has Reid and Dan terrified on his behalf. The discussion of work/life balance is a common theme throughout the episode as they chat about Kip's new song that is setting a precedent for his next chapter as an artist.
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Dude, Kip More equals cool guy.
He's legitimately cool.
He's a handsome cat too. I thought the thing that I thought it was stunning had like these boots on with these I paint ripped up pants, and then you went tight. You know the shirt that like the only cool guys can wear. Yeah, the T shirt, Well that has that. If you put it on me. The bacon neck, Yeah, if you put it on me, you'd be like, bro immediately take that.
He had a bacon neck and he looked like a model bacon you know what I'm talking about.
Two necklaces too, Do you see.
That he's a double necklace up and it worked.
You can't hurt it, man, Kid Moore's got it and uh and he had it on the podcast. Man. He another great storyteller. Such such a cool life, he leads. Man, he's a that dude's adventure. Man. He he talks about on the podcast. He don't care about. Things he cares about like adventure and stories and and man he's got a ton of them. He's lived. He's lived a cool, cool life.
Yeah, man, like in a hut and Hawaii. Yeah, he got whacky. It was fun, no doubt.
Working working on a new record and got a song coming out that y'all should go check out. Speaking of checking out, thanks for checking out us, Thanks for checking out God's Country, Thanks for checking out The Brother's Hunt, Thanks for checking out.
Uh, that's it. That's the two things.
Those are the two things.
Smash the fallow like subscribey, but yeah that we don't on TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.
We're so cool. We are so cool and you're so cool.
For being here. Dam This is officialist here of the day or something down.
Vocal Booth got you good, Sean.
Vocal Booth guy. He don't know your name yet. He's been doing. He's done forty episodes, but I'm got to think guy yesterday, he's done forty episodes, but he's gonna get it at some point.
No, this is his first one. All right, all right, we're rocking, man, we're in the this is this is a new studio, Kip.
Hold heck, I can tell man, this is their first this is the first day on the job.
Kept sat down, his mic was perfect, Man, dam was over. I didn't even know how to work mine. And then like do I need to move the mike here?
And I was like, how many of these things have y'all done?
Yeah, kid goes, Hey, man, y'all know what y'allre doing around here?
The truth is no, we don't. All right, we don't.
All right, we're figuring it out, man, we're figuring it out.
Man.
We've got a badass surfer. Let's just go ahead and get out of the former college athlete? Did you know that about Kid Moore?
Come on now, if you're going to do it, do it right to sport college sport. Let's kid it right. Bo Jackson up in here, deonn Sanders in.
This morment, Ronny clembing the mountain biker one billion streams and two point five million month of listeners, performed sold out headline shows in stadiums around the world, including Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, Europe, and the US. Held as an uncompromising genre, defying artists, firing on all cylinders and of them, and most recently, most recently, He's off Hearty's Quit tour. We got Kip Moore out of God's Country today.
If I could just get played on the American country radio, you'd be all right.
Talked about that this morning.
Man, thanks for hanging out with Man.
I'm I'm excited to be here. You know, I'm very Uh. I don't want to say I don't like people, because that be a lie, because I really enjoyed the right kind of people. But I could tell right away, and this is Coco knows me over here. I wouldn't say this if I didn't feel this way, but I just immediately I'm like, Okay, these are my kind of people. This is I'm.
All good and I'll do the same.
Yeah. Same.
I knew I know who the parking lot and you.
Kept your sunglasses on. I was like, you know, I don't like this guy.
I started to wear him the whole time, just the big time, y'all. But I just I should have messed with you like that, just to kept kept them on as long as I could.
Man, every church.
Oh man, traffic was terrible again coming in. We're starting a little late. But dude, we're excited to hang out with you.
Appreciate you.
Watch man.
Yeah, I did, and and and I was about to intro that where we were you play that. We got a lot of things to get to. But first, like we always do, all of our gimmicky songs sound the same, So it's the play and drop. Okay, dude, something different? What Just tell us what it is? What you're mad? Is it in lost kids? Might be your boss man or your favorite cat.
Just tell us what you mad.
I got it wrong, I said favorite cat?
Mad at our favorite cat?
Yeah, because sometimes you get mad at your favorite cats.
Dude.
I just got back from Mexico. Man, I'm out of the look Mexico. We went to islam O Harris.
Oh yeah, Islam Harris. Yes, Harrison, I can tell you. Yeah, Okay, that's South anyway. I recently took a motorcycle from with a couple of Buddies from l A to the bottom of the Baja Peninsula took us about nine days. Wow, man, it was wild.
That's done it around Carbo, isn't it. Yes, Yeah, I've spent some time of that's beautiful.
Yeah, it's incredible maybe. But you know, what you don't realize too is just how vast and empty and wild MEXICOI ism. And you'll drive, You'll drive three four hudred miles and not see a single house, you know, and then you're in some little village, you know, and it was, it was, it was a trip.
That's all right, Let's wait.
First of all, we got to do what what you're matter and my my mind is, well, we just didn't know. Is east Slimmer Harris? Right, I'm not mad at that place. That place is incredible. What I am mad at is somebody got into my bag and got my cologne and threw it away.
I guess all things to get. First of all, you're nineteen ninety five.
Yeah, my curve, they got my curve with the pop top. You know what it's saying to spray, you gotta do the thing. What's what kind of colone you get me? It's a nice cologne. They had it for sale in the the airport, like came through.
Well was it on the way or was it at the.
No, it's on the way. Well, first of all, my bags got lost. So I show up to this and we're there for a wedding. So like in these restaurants.
What you mean you bags? You put me off there? My bag just one?
I just I just had one. I don't do care.
I'm about to say, well, we ain't like.
I got it.
I don't carry on. I do carry on these days. The headphones and a book. That's all I take for carry on. And then I had a little bitty rollers to the small roller bag of close you know. And we were going for a wedding, so like had nice clothes and at this place, at this resort, you had to, uh you had to have like close to shoes and pants and a nice shirt for dinner. The dog I fly in jim shorts.
Lost shirt, weddings and all kinds of things.
I feel that and flip flops, that's what I flew in. Well, we get down there to Mexico, to the Cancun airport, and uh, we were like looking for the bags and Jordan gets hers and mine doesn't come around on the roller and we go to the little counter and Jordan's like, hey, we're looking for his bag. She's like, oh, let me look right quick. Oh it's still in Nashville. And I was and Jordans, I mean she, I was like, sick, dude, I'm about to roll around this place. Jim Short and I lost their T shirt for four days. I'm gonna be chilling. Yeah, But they ended up getting them to us. But when they got them to us, I was gonna do a little spray spray. I'm gone, dude. I was like, oh, I must have left it at home. Got home. No, I packed that thing and they they janked it through right away.
They got me.
Colomns a new move for me, and I think it's because I had my I got my adenoids taken out, so I didn't realize I couldn't smell for the last ten years. So I was like, man, I wonder if I stink more than I knew I did the entire and Combs, our buddy was like loop. He was like, uh, chait, dude, You're a big steaky dan Dude. I was like, I was big steaky down that whole time. Yeah, so I was like, I started showering on maybe maybe hit a little cologne now, and then you know what I'm saying.
I want you mad at dude.
I'm mad at dude influencers that say that you have to work from four a m. Till till freaking two in the morning. That those dudes drather like, Yeah, I wake up at three thirty am, hop in the cold punch, jump right out, start selling stocks immediately.
I meditate for two hours.
Take forty eight deep breaths down. I'm like, bro, you must not have kids do because that shit ain't happening. It's not happening. You know what I do? I wake up in the day bed.
They just stopped that dude influences. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, I wake up in a day bed with a four year old's leg across my face, my two year old's punching me in the and the guts going Dad signs up, Dad, And I ain't slept but three hours. Man, Who's got time to get up at three thirty am and cold punch?
Bro?
What right? Every time I feel like I'm like close to being like, you know what I can? I can do this. I hear something like that, I'm like, all right, I'm not having sex for another year. That's it.
Oh, it's a trip time, make sure you want that's all.
Go to the Orlando airport and you you never, you never want to take an Orlando Southwest flight and you'll be like, you know what, I'm never gonna do this.
You know I'm good man.
I think I'll just say it all the time, like the best and the worst and the hardest and the most rewarding. But man, it's it's a it's a good ride anyway. Stop telling me what I need to do on Instagram. I don't even know why I even open.
Then I don't either, because it breeds nothing but that what you're mad at? So you mad at sluding, you mad whoever?
Whoever?
The song bitch took my clumb.
What am I mad at? You can be glad of something to you know what, Do it, and you're gonna get me into the right away.
Do it.
I was riding in here and I heard a song where I just think back to sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. You know, not that I was around the sixties, but I can assume it was even worse than But when Tom Petty was at the height of his career and he was the guy and all those killer songs were on the radio, if someone ripped off his entire sound, accent, guitar tones, recordings, phrasing, cadence, everything that they.
Be laughed out canned over before it ever saw.
I heard something that sounded like identical to the biggest guy in our format, who's really good at what he does. You ain't gonna never do it as good as him, right, And it was the same thing where I was I thought that's who it was for a minute, you know, then it said the name of the end. I was like, you gotta be kidneyed, So this is getting rewarded now. It's a weird time shot. It's crazy, bro, I.
Feel like that, Like I remember, not the one you were front, but there was another one, a Tom Petty rip that was like a different song but a couple of years ago, and I was just like, hey, is anybody are we Yeah, we're just like deciding to not recognize this or is this Are we are we still?
Yeah? And you know, as songwriters you know this too. Where I try to explain it to people like you know, music, movies. We've been I guess commercially being able to see these things since the forties. Hear these things, it's like the forties one of you know, radio and stuff. Sure, so you had such an open canvas back then, which I get, you know, in for the next thirty years, there were just all kinds of things that could be discovered. It's harder now. You know, I want to make a movie about a boxer, Well, you can't do that, right. I want to make a movie about a karate guy. I can't do that. So in music it is tough. You know, we've all been inspired and we have bleeding things that kind of filter through us. But there's some things that you just know when it becomes so blatant and you're staying on it for eight bars and twelve bars, and you're like, okay, we gotta come off of this, you know, because I've been in the room. Whe's like, that's kind of feeling like something we got at least finagle this day.
We gotta do it in a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I know. First off, let me say this, when he said there's a movie about a karate guy, Yeah, who did what movie? Did you think because I think mine's wacky.
That went karate Kid?
Of course, is that where you're Yeah, for sure, dude, why did I go Blood Sport?
I went. I can recite that whole movie as you say.
Karate Guy was like, yeah, blood Sport, Yeah, blood Sports.
Jean Claude, dam right, Yeah he throws this stuff at the end.
Yeah, yeah that one.
Yeah, dang, he was to the I went Tom Tom and and.
Yeah, for sure I went karate Kid immediately.
The bad guy in that movie, the Japanese guy, he was so jacked in that.
But he's a legit. He was a legit, like karate it, so you real that he was he was, he was a stud. But yeah, I mean it's wild, man, it's wild. I couldn't believe what I heard. I just was like, well, do.
You remember there was probably eight for five to eight years ago when that kind of started happening. There were it was like, no, man, we can't do that, Like that's a thing because you're exactly right with the blank canvas when they first started off, and now you know you're trying not to step on toes and now things have been done too and three times, so there's it's even harder to not and.
This is always this has always been a copycat town. Sure, I mean, that's just that's just the real thing. It's always been a copycat town. Whatever's happening you kind of, But there comes a point where, like today I was just like, give me a break, man, this is this almost blasphemy at this point.
How many times have I called you said, does anybody not have an original thought?
Like just going yeah?
But the hard thing is as a just like we refer to ourselves as like lunch pail riders, right, like, we come in, we're not we're not chasing artists deal, we're not trying to get a record deal, none of that stuff. We just write and that's all we've ever done for the past ten twelve years. The trouble, the tough thing is when you know, we're trying to get songs on the on the radio, and a guy, an artist who's got a record coming out, comes in and says, hey, man, I got a idea for a song, And he goes.
Oh, that's kind They're so young.
They're so young that they don't even know some of them, some of them, some of them do. Do you feel like it's it's our jobs as writers to say, yes, we can't do that, Yes I do. I don't think people are saying that as much as they yes I do. I think they're going, okay, Well, I.
Also think that there's you know, and I'm not trying to be the guy to see and get off my lawn right now. But we're not talking about We're not talking about one hundred years ago. Men. We were just talking about you know, you're talking about I was in town. You know, I've been completely removed from writing in the Nashville Circle for six seven years now. I mean, I write solo a ton and then I'll call a buddy like Dan Colch or Jaron Johnson their casey but there and be like, Okay, I've got this half thing finished and you want to join up, And but I don't come down to the circle anymore. I tried to for a minute when I was doing this record, just to reimmerse myself and kind of see what was going on, and I got right back out.
Yeah.
But I feel like when when I was first getting going, all the the young artists like me had such a knowledge for not only artists, but all the writers in town like you respected all these writers, and you knew all about what they had done, and that is gone. It's gone. Man. It's just kind of like walking in the room and kind of like, hey, yeah, that's cool, that's what's up, you know, And it's like, don't know anything about the writers artists. History can't tell you any artists from the forties fifties, and I just, man, I studied that stuff. Like when I got to town. And luckily I had a dad, you know, in a mom too. My mom was obsessed with Willie Nelson and stuff, but they loved music. But there was constant music from the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties in my house. And you know, but once I got to Nashville, man, I started researching everything, really had done everything. Bob. I got so obcessful by dealing for about two years and I would write out all of his lyrics, which are along and I would write out everything on a notepad and I'd study him and how he's using metaphors and how he's playing off of words, and I just, uh, you know, So the craft, I feel like the craft is what's dying, and that's where it's the songwriters, the real songwriters responsibility to be like, no, that ain't what's up, This doesn't this doesn't work what we're doing, you know, you know?
So yeah, I think the trouble I run well, well, first off, I'm not trying to put myself on some pedestal, but I agree. I studied guys like Tony Lane. I thought he was just ton Lane, the man man. That was my guy. And then we were very blessed to run across Casey Bather and he's I mean, everybody knows, this is no secret.
He's like our most amazing human around this town. And and Dan kouts Man, they're very kindred spirits. I don't know then is the best man the best.
But very very blessed to to grow up on under those writers, right, And I think the thing that that's so inspiring about them is they never they never really move from who they are, and that transcends their tunes yep. And to me that's what makes them so special and and and just going okay, how do I how do I become that?
You know?
And I think part of it is studying, like you said, but but but the the other thing to me is realizing that like you, you have a voice and you have and your words and your experiences they have value too, and putting those into lyric. I mean that's where a real song live.
Yeah, And I mean I think about how fortunate I was. I mean Brett James was my mentor.
Oh wow.
So it was like I was in a room with him constantly, hanging out with him constantly, and he signed me to a pub deal and it was like I got to learn from one of the greatest songwriters that they've been through this town and that, but I waslearning from him, Hillary Lindsay, Natalie Hemby, Tony Lane. I wrote with Tony a couple of times. But it was like, Man, I had such an amazing I had. I knew I had that thing where, you know, I had all the stuff in my head, but learning really how to put it together and having guys that would check me be like nah, you oh, that ain't how you do it right.
And that's that's what makes me like, it makes me think of like we write, you know, I write three four times a week sometimes and a lot of those are just coming to town and we're sitting around the room with somebodies trying to throw some things out. But when I see somebody like Bethart on my schedule. Stop sorry when I when I see when I see something like when I see somebody like Bethard on my schedule, and like I go to those ideas in my phone that I've kind of been holding on to that I know we're special because I know I'm about to I'm about to walk into class. I'm about to go to school for for this craft and not only from just a a professor, like the professor he's, you know, like one of the best professors and to and to see him, like you're saying, like I feel the same way I've I've lived, you know, thirty six years on this on this world, and you know, I feel creative. I feel like I know a lot of things. I have a lot of cool stories and and and things going on in my head. But getting to watch, like taking an idea of mine to him and watch him how he do he does it through his lenses and through his life experience teaches me how to do it better through For.
All of y'all listening to this right now, Casey Bethard, some of your favorite songs Church you know whoever, look up Leonard Skinner Jones and just you want to talk about the most top notch class. You know, when I was doing this record, Casey and I had written together maybe once or twice, you know, through the years, but you know, I write so much alone now, and I was just like, I want to I want to call Casey up. And I called him up and said, I really loved you to kind of come out to the house in Charleston and uh ride on the marsh and I said, we're gonna, We're gonna write something. He was all in and me and him and me and him and Jaron Johnson just hold up and man, it was awesome. He's great.
Talk about the road trip, bro, Let's talk about your You took motorcycles all the way down.
Yeah, all the way down the all the way down to the bottom by And where'd you start l A and uh yeah, I mean like the heart of l A.
And how'd you get your Rica? Well?
I met a guy that Sean McDonald who who does marking for Indian I ride. I ride Indian Bikes and and they've been taking care of me for years. They're amazing. And met him out there and uh he's you know, he was you know, semi street racers, mean, he did all the leaning with his you know, knees hitting the pavement, and he's an incredible rider, and so right away I'm a solid rider. But you know, I've mainly just kind of been riding around back roads here for years, cruising around sixty. And I mean immediately we're on the four or five doing ninety five, weaving in out of cars, and I was like, oh boy, this is this is going to be intense. You know, a couple of times we had cruise control about one to ten going through Mexico. Oh wow, but it was it was intense, you know, but it was you know, about two or three days in something happens to where we just had our backpacks on the back of the bike. We were stayed in these little like you know, you're basically a lot most of the time we were staying. I can't remember the town. We stayed on the coast, this one little spot and it was just a couple of little houses, little shacks kind of thing, and they had some basically just concrete cylinders outside, and you're staying with a family and it's like the next morning you've got like eight year old daughter brand you coffee and they ring a bell and it was like those kind of situations. Yeah, I mean it was it was wild. He knew about this place, organized organized it, but it was just the neatest little spots. I mean it was it was uh and everything was so primitive. And the only time I he you know, he didn't know me when he booked the trip for me because it was for Indian and it was three of us, and you know, he didn't know what I was like at that time. So he just said, most of my the celebrity artists love it when I booked these really fancy places, and I just you know, it's to each its own. But the only time I got uncomfortable we were staying at this like four seasons type place. At the very end. I was like, take me back to the little the huts, to the little hut, you know. But but you know it was you know, we had the guy have we had to have a guy that was trailing us the whole time that was linked you know, with the cartail and to keep us you know, he was loaded to the teeth and so it was those kind of it was. There was there was one situation, oh man, that was there was one situation we were eating this restaurant and we were the only green. We were we were the only green goes in there, you know, and and you know, seeing a lot of movies like you guys, and I just kind of looked. I was kind of looking around and everybody's dressed really nice, and it's just tons of families, you know, said Twinkie out, So is anybody tel in here right now? And he goes, oh, man, this whole place is you know. It was you know, I could feel it, you know, but it was, uh, it was. It was but like about three days in something happens to where all the stuff that we think about and where your mind goes and my mind is nuts, but you get into this rhythm of life is so simple, and you waken up. You'd wake up and by the third morning, I can remember we had our bikes and woke up in this place and we drove down this long dirt road and it was just like the only thought you have is getting from point A to point B, and your mind is so free of all the garbage. And it was the most simplistic to where I almost got emotional when this trip was over, because I was like, I don't want to leave. I don't want to leave because I feel and my soul feels like at peace right now, So I don't want to go back into this concrete rat race. I just want to stay on this bike as long as I can. And it was powerful. I mean, it was just.
Man, I'm so curious, I mean, I mean.
It was one of those things too, where that this dirt road was like that kind of thick sand at times, so you're like cruising and you're trying to hold it together. But it was cool. It was it was incredible, and there was times like this is the sketchy part. You know. We'd be cruising at ninety ninety five and you'd be going over this hill. Then the minute you goat o the hills, like the road just ended. It would just like the concrete's gone, and it would be, you know, straight rain and it was like kind of muddy, and he'd be like, whenever you hit those spots, don't hit the brake, keep on the gas. So you're hitting that and you can feel your light slightly fish tailing, and it was it was intense, man. But then you get done and it would catch on that concrete.
But isn't that kind of a metaphor for like life in general. You're smoking along and all of a sudden, I guess a little and you're like, hey, man, you hit the brakes right, or you're in trouble. And I can tell you I and our short my hit men read had a motorcycle stint that was real short. And uh I can remember the first time I rode my motorcycle. My uncle tracked it down in North Mississippi and he was and he had cleaned it up and got it running, and it was probably I think it was like a five hundred some hond to five hundred that I eventually chopped up. And anyway, uh so I was riding it overhill the same thing, and there were cars behind me. I was just too scared to go fast. It was my first time ever. I didn't even have my motorcycleize at the time. And I turned to go down. I was like, well, I'll just pull off to let these cars go behind me, right, And so as I pull off, it's the same thing you're talking about. The gravel turns to or the concrete turns to gravel, and I could feel the back end and I'm like, well, here we go, And sure enough, man, I just flipped that thing really and luckily I had already started slowing down. But I was going faster than I thought I was going, you know, and uh, some old man pulled ay damn son y'all right. I was like, I'm trying to be tough, you know. I'm like, oh, yeah, man, I'm good. I'm good. He's like, man, man, gotta be careful in that gravel.
Dude.
He was right man like. And I eventually learned, you know how you just kind of just let it roll on through.
Why do I have a picture in my head of you riding that motorcycle in a in a leafy suit.
I mean, I'm sure that happened.
Did you ride from Mississippi back to Nashville in a leafy citter?
So?
After a turkey hunt?
I rode it. Yeah, for some reason, I have it.
I would ride it, so i'd drive it to work down here. And then one time the back tires, the tires draw draw rotted. You know, I used to, We used.
To, you don't want that in the motorcycle. You don't want to.
Singleton was one of our is, one of our good buddies, and we park over there and we'd all we had, like I said, we all wrote before we had kids.
All our motorcycles were under under his points back that on money did we were living on a boat. We know where to park, and we just kept them over.
I literally went to Vegas, won four hundred dollars on the first pool of a slot machine, didn't bet another time. That stayed the rest of the time and the rest of three days in Vegas, came back, bought that bike with that money right and parked at Jonathan's and rode. It was fun, man, it.
Was we'd bob them down, get them the street. It was a.
Freeing thing, man. But but eventually when you start getting wives and kids involved.
In your saw, so you know, riding around here, man, it's a major major risk because everybody's.
Just it was probably less risk than you were.
Just on open roads. It's just like, you know, hold the bike up.
Is that why he put it out there? Or is that where he lives?
That where Indian is No, it was just you know, they do rides, you know, once a year with different you know, I think he's done with carry Hart the year before, and so you just do you know, he asked me, did I want to do Portugal next, you know, so just stuff like that and he just goes to different places.
It took you nine days, Yeah it took us.
Yeah, it took us by nine days. You can go to Portugal maybe maybe, So.
Cool man, Mexico is so funny because like I'm there. Literally we went landing and Cancun got on the van to the boat to take us to the island. And the first thing I googled was is there cartailing?
Of course there is.
Yeah. Yeah, Oh that's funny. That's that trip's awesome. Man, that's that's that sounds pretty. It does sound like a spiritual.
And I mean when I go surfing in the winter, you know, I always just get a little dirt bike and you know, surf rack on the side. I love this past year, I did El Salvador and then went down into Costa Rica, and you know, I just kind of bounced around looking for a cool guy.
Man, real cool this guy.
Wait, okay, I want to hear about Hawaii a little bit. Man, So you live in Hawaiian No.
I lived in Hawaii right out of college, briefly school. I went to Wallace State initially like right out like right around Birmingham to sport on a basketball scholarship, and then I ended up switching after a couple of years, and I did golf down in a year there. Then I went down to Valdosta State and played the next two years, played golf, golf.
Got what did you play basketball? Point guard? Yeah?
Shoot the eyes out of it. You got close to me. I was going right around grand I hope you're watching this.
I was always that I was too small to play play collegeball, but I could shoot it, man, I can shoot it from anywhere.
All right, let's go talkingout how awesome you are. Let's talk about how I'm.
Just saying shooters shooters like there's a there's a there's a thing wavelength between shooters.
Man.
Yeah, connected nineteen.
All right, so, uh so how did you how did you get into surfing? Like how you're like, I literally, uh watched Point b Lie time.
I'm on no no book, Yes, Point Break. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'll be honest, I'm like seventeen years old and I remember watching that movie that like a senior in high school. Now it's just like I know what I want to be in life now. I want to be body. I don't want to be And I said, you know, you know, I loved that movie as a kid man, and I was like, one day I'm going to be close to water and I'm going to figure this out. And I just loved you know, I love trying stuff new and and and uh. I literally when I graduated school, I had you know, thoughts about, you know, well, do I try to get on some kind of golf circuit you know this and that? But I didn't love golf. I could just play it like and I worked hard at it because that's the way I am. But it was never like a love like basketball was. And I was like, nah, I don't want to spend all day doing this, and you know, just a little lost. I've been doing the bar band scene for two or three years down South, and I didn't know music was even an option. I never heard about anybody going to be songwriters. It was just all cover bands scene down there. Yeah, and I knew I was in love with music. I was already writing a bunch at like twenty to twenty two. I was writing a ton of stuff and I literally said screw it. I bought a one way ticket and I went to of all places, it's funny now because I've made all these close friends that are pro surfers out there in Maui and they just they get the biggest kick out of you know. The only thing I knew about Hawaii was hearing about Helo in high school. They were talking about the title wave that happened in Helo, and I was like, well, Helo, I remember named Helo, so it's like the capital of the big island. So I literally bought a one way ticket to Helo, which is like the most the most local, and like it's it's scary for someone like me to be in Helo and it rains eighty percent of the time. That's super super tropical. And I literally lived outside in a like tent hut for like a five to eleven foot I had to know. I got to know. So you're telling me you just pack a bag, you're see a parent fifty bucks a month spot and you.
Fly down there. Yeah, but because at this time, there's no like pre you're not going on Verbo and get fine in a house. I mean you're literally just flying into a No.
I'm gonna figure it out city.
You used to figure it out.
Yeah, So when you lay eighteen hundred bucks in my bank account. I remember because I worked the summer job. Every summer I work on this maintenance crew was on the golf course, and I saved up and I was like, all right, eighteen hundred bucks will buy me time to figure it out. Eighteen hundred bucks back then was probably what five grand now yeah, sure, probably more like fifty grand. Anyways, yeah, you know, and it was fifty bucks a month.
This guy, uh so your feet at the ground and you're.
Oh, yeah, well there was a guy at the airport that was like, you know, okay, that's well like meeting him, you know, and he's like, you can come stay here, and you know, and so I literally would wake up and this is no lie. It rained every single night for months, like it's just the way it works there. And it'll be sunny for a minute, then it pours rain, and it's sunny for another hour, then it pulled. It pours rain and every single night, you know, because there was no I didn't have walls. It was just a screen. So it was a concrete slab with a screen and then like a roof over it. And it was five by eleven foot.
Like in the in the backyard of this Dude's no, it was.
It was just like in the in the in the jungle. Yeah, And uh, I would wake up soaking wet every day.
It's cool I waved up, so you immediately became my favorite person in Nashville.
Like this morning, soaking wet every morning, and I would just say, all right, well, I gotta get up, like I'm I'm already drenched at five a m. And I would go out to the main road and I would hitchhike to the to the surf spot. I bought a surfboard for like two fifty of U surfboard.
And had you ever did not?
Just watched the movie, just just watched Johnny Utah and the Body Utah. But I was just thinking to myself, you know, I know I'm good on my feet, like I know that athletes. Let's just keep saying that sport athletes. Anyway, could have been three, but we won't go there anyway. Don't make me get upright all right now, I turned double play right now, so I uh, I literally would just said I'm just gonna throw myself in the ocean and figure it out. And like this wave, this break was heavy, and I mean I literally literally almost died two or three times where that was on my last breath of getting held down the inside. I mean, you're talking double overhead waves out there that just all reef, all reef, and I'm not even thinking about that no sense. So I learned on like shallow reef, just having to like get the guts to go for it, you know. But of all the sports that I have ever done, there is nothing more difficult to learn at older you know, older age, you know, you know, you learn things like skateboarding and surfing when you're really young, where you know that fear of falling. You're only falling with seventy eighty pounds ninety pounds kind of thing and you're not going to the bottom and hitting the reef and all those things. There's not a fear with that kind of thing. But that sport is they're so you give me anything kind of on end coordination, whether it's volleyball or tennis or ping pong paddle, I can figure it out for quick. But surfing there's so much It's all about reading the wave and knowing where to get to your spots, because if you're in the wrong spot, you're gonna get held down. On the inside and you're stuck if you're in big surf, and then it's really terrifying. So I just threw myself into it and I was I've always been a good uh observer and mimicker, So I would just stay on the shore and I'd really watch the spots that people were getting into and how they were getting into them and what their position was, and then I would just try to mimic and yeah, now I can serve.
Wow, that's cool. Are we?
We went to Maui for our honeymoon uh instead over there for a couple of weeks, and that was one of my things, was like, man, I'm gonna get a surfboard and because not the same way, I'm like anything hand in hand, eye like I can figure it out. I can. I can.
It'll humble you quick, dude.
I never I may have caught a wave for like a split second. Yeah, it'll h We took the little surf classes on, like the big long ones where you just pretty like hop on and just ride the wave in they take some pictures of your holding hands like the honeymoon thing, and so I was like, no, I really want to, like I want to go rent one for a week, and I want to go find where the local surfers are surfing, and I want to go swim out there and try to try to catch one dog. I was so tired just from trying to swim out to where they first off.
They'll kick you out, like.
With my with my bill of ball, they kick you out.
Oh man, buddy, it's uh.
It's almost disrespectful kind of They don't.
They don't want you if you're in if you're in a it's if you're in a good spot, you're gonna mess up the flow, You're gonna be in the way, you're gonna get somebody hurt. So they want you to learn and the baby learn on the baby waves, you know. But it's uh, it's intense, you know. And I, like I was saying earlier, I've just I've made some dear friends out in Maui and one of my best friends in the world now a guy named Albi Lair who's one of the biggest big wave riders in the world. And he is the most radical human being you will that I've ever met. Like he's nuts, truly nuts, and you have to be kind of for that kind of thing. And now I've watched him surf Jaws and fifty foot swells, you know, and it's just the most insane. But he'll take me out sometimes, you know, and he's not thinking about We went to a place called Honolua Bay one day, which is known for just this incredible wave and it was the biggest day I've ever seen there. And I've been going there for years, you know, when I show up and when it gets really big, it'll wipe the whole beach out. Nobody wants to get in that. Even some of the really good surfaces will kind of stay away from it. Get so heavy and it's really shallow, and he's like, come on, you know, let's I'm like, man, this looks intense. You be fine. We get out there, and he's coming back from a brain injury from Jaws a year ago, so it's kind of the first time he's really been in big surf. We did our first duck and dive, like we see a big set coming and he's like, oh, go go. We're like trying to get duck at duck and I. We met through the first, we made through, the second, third one was coming. It was like, we're not gonna make it. We barely make it under and this is this is you know, one of the biggest and best big way riders in the world. And we're not liking the fifty foot swells, but we're in swells enough to really mess you up.
Or yeah, take you out, know what you're doing.
And we did that last duck and dive and we both came up at the same time and his eyes were big and goes, whoo, man, this might be too big, this might be too big to get into on my you know, getting back into it. I looked at him and I'm like, if it's too big for you, right, But then you're out there. There ain't no getting back in because it's steady. It's steady set, so you got to catch a rib. You have to catch one to get back and ain't ain't no body surfing back in like it ain't it's not that you got to catch one. And I just sat in that line up thirty forty minutes just watching four or five guys that are out and they were all incredible, you know, they're all top of their game, you know, and I'm like, I got to catch one of these. I finally they're all you know, he's all he's yelling at me to go on this one. Coming in, it just looks like, all right, this is it, this is how I die. And I caught it and then it was just the most epic feeling I've ever been on something like that, and looking up and that things like a mountain. When I rode off the back of that wave after riding it, they're just all hooting hollering, you know. But what I try to tell people when they're like, you know, why would you do that? And sharks and this and that, And I think about it and it's a great question because I love the snowboard. But if you told me, hey man, you want snowboard this year and I said yeah, they said, where are you going? It's a park city Canyons or Idaho or they said, well, just awesome. But just know, there's been this monster that comes out.
Of the mountains.
There's this there's there's this monster that comes out and twice a year he kills somebody. I'd be like, well, I'm never snowboarding again. That's but surfing does something to me that brings out. Once you get past like sixteen fifteen, sixteen year, you're gonna have years old. Oh you're gonna have joyful moments in your life, and you're gonna have, you know, elated feelings. But to tap into like a childlike innocence is dang near impossible.
But when I'm.
Doing that, like, I'm ten years old again and there's nothing more magical than life. So I'll risk whatever it is fail to find that feeling.
Yeah, that's pretty beautiful.
Yeah, honestly, dang, that's awesome. You So you you go out there every year for an extent amount of time.
Yeah, I have been. I don't. I don't know if I will this year, but I've got another spot in mind. But I have been going every year for for several years.
What part of Maaloey do you usually stay at?
I can't tell you that, right, but I have I have. I used to stay in Lihina a lot which is now gone. So that place was so special to me. So, you know, been trying to do things to help those people get back on their feet.
So let me ask you this just to I mean, eventually we don't we'll jump to music and all that other stuff. But I'm feeling that had been inspired by kind of what you're saying. How do you how do you get to the place because you got so much else going on? Right when you've got your career. Yeah, and obviously the career I mean reading I we're literally talking about this morning. Well, the career funds the passions, right, and so how do you find time, I mean with with management and shows and everything to go? Okay? These three months I'm writing a record. These three months, I'm cutting a record. These three months, I'm touring a record. These three months, I'm going on freaking gotcha on a motor side these once I'm going to Honolulu or wherever.
I always write every morning. I write every morning, every single morning. I write, no matter where I am. I do it. And you know, sometimes it might last hours and sometimes it might last forty five minutes. But every single morning I'm writing before I come in here, I'm at least sussing out what I've got, man, because I've always got something that's happening, and I just get it out. I might come back to it. But things have never mattered to me, truly, I can say that with all honesty. I do not care about things I've only ever cared about. And if you my business manager always gets the biggest kick out up. You know, the for years they thought I was hiding money or something because they were just like your account. And this is like a twenty seventeen We're having a call and she's like, keep I just got to ask you something like because they've been they when I signed my record deal in twenty eleven, they sign me, and Julie's just one of my favorite humans on the planet. She's become like, yeah, I just trust her so much. But she called me one day and she's just kind of like, I just you know, We're just sitting here and we're just baffled. We've never had this happen in the whole career of this town with the artist, Like your account since twenty eleven, has it changed? Are you doing something with your money that we don't know about. You're still living in that little shack over there, and like, what are you doing with your money? Because you have some, you know, And I'm like, I know, y'all tell me I have some, but I don't believe it's there. But I'm just you know, they were like, you go to Kroger occasionally, you buy a surfboard, and you've got a gym membership. What are you doing and I'm just like I've never needed anything, and I still live that way. I just don't. Things don't do anything for me. I see all this wave now, like everybody's constantly taking their pictures and their jets and this and then that, and it's like, you know what, fine if you want to go that way. I find that stuff so silly. But I also I also never want to make people feel like man less than not because they're looking at my life and like, well if I had what he had, sure, I always try to make it a point, even like when I'm posting things on socials, it's all about the experience. It's never I'm never staying in nice places. I never you don't have to like we can't live that way, we can't go, Yeah you can. I was doing this stuff back when I was broke, Like I'm still doing it the same way. I go. I get a dirt bike, I stay in a minimal place, and I just kind of you know, I've come back after you know, after a two month trip, you know, and I've spent thirteen hundred bucks, you know. So it's like but even like what you're saying, like, you know, why would you put yourself. I think you were getting at that, like, with all you got all this stuff going on, why would you risk And it's like, you know, take like rock climbing, you know, yeah, there's accidents that happen, especially if you're lead climbing. You know. I hate heights. I got the same thing my dad had. I'm then you put me on a fifteen foot thing up there, made me look down. I'm just like, ah, you know, I've always been that way. I'm so fearful of heights, so I wanted to immerse myself in rock climbing for the challenge of trying to conquer that. I'm still scared to death of them, but I make myself climb up, you know, I look down all of a sudden, I'm three hundred feet up, you know. So it's I make myself push myself into uncomfortable places because I just feel like your spirit's gonna die if you're just constantly staying in this comfort place. And I just don't think that's the reason we were put on this earth, just to kind of just like I want to know that I drank up every drop I could by the time I'm out.
Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like you already have.
Man, that's awesome. Yeah, so you move to why you do that? When do you start zeroing in on like music? Being your professor?
Two thousand and five, I moved here, and it was you know, it was immediate, you know, I just threw myself in the whole thing. I don't think I signed a publishing deal till two thousand and eight.
Was it kind of the same, like like your mindset on music, the same as moving to Hawaii. You just moved here. Just I'm gonna figure it out, anybody, I'm just going something I want to challenge myself with. I'm gonna go try it out.
Yeah, and I want my sons to be like that. Ain't no doubt, man, Honestly.
I just, uh yeah, I just threw myself in it and was just like, I'm gonna figure it out. I'm knocked on doors, couldn't get meetings, couldn't get anything, you know, and I'll do it. And uh, I can remember so many times and I'm not gonna say the name of the place, but a place in town you know that kind of deals with your publishing this and that, and I'd have a meet and set up and then I'd show up and had to take off work, and and I tried to do jobs that that that, you know, my whole game was to make it in this I remember getting offered a really good job that was going to be a to file and said, well, I can't do that because I got to do this. I work nights, and I work jobs that allowed me to come into town on the weekdays because that's where everything was happening. And I'd work all the weekends and work nights and this and that, and but I'd have a meeting set up and you're looking forward to it. It's like, Okay, three months from now, we're going to meet with you. We're gonna hear your songs, yep. And then you show up. It's like, well, so and so I had to cancel. So he's going to meet with you four months from now, which.
Means they forgot probably. Yeah.
And that was just you know, trying to find ways to keep your feet moving for sure, you know, And that was the hardest mental game, is just to keep writing, keep writing, and keep writing, and you know, and then it just kind of became one of those things where Joe Fisher, you know, I'd shout out to Joe fisher Man just one of the one of my favorite music people in this town because he loves music. Joe loves music. I can remember when he was my first A and R guy, and I'd send him a song and what I loved about him it was like he didn't always tell you liked it, but if he didn't like it, he'd break down all the reasons. Well there's a whole here, and I'm not sure you know this has been said, And if he loved it, he'd give you two freaking two pages worth of like these. I just love that, you know, like, we've got so many people in this business that don't even love music. You got people running radio stations that don't love music. You know, It's like I just it's a strange thing for me. Then you got people that do you know, you got your Sweatburgs of the World and Jenny Brophy's and Nate Deaton's and these people that love music and Randy Hawk and love talking music with you. But you know, I just kept myself moving until you know, it just was like little by little, Joe Fisher came out and saw me playing, and we talked for a long time and He's like, I think he really got something, you know, and he called Brett James is one of his best friends. And then Brett. I went over to Brett's house and I played in two songs I wrote and I'll never forget Brett James looked at me with that incredible hair of his. I looked, I looked at him and had him down laugh and I said, how do you have hair like that? And you're not, say this famous person. I said, you must have no talent. I haven't heard you actually play yet. But anyways, he looked at me after I finished sancing song, and he says, well, I can't offer you a record deal, but I promise if you sign with me, we're gonna make something happen, because you've got it, you know. I just remember him saying that, and then he just put all his chips in on me, and I just, yeah, he's just even though we don't see each other as much anymore, he will always be like a brother to me. I just, man, I've developed such a bond with that guy over like the four years that I was there, and yeah, I just I just and then it just was one of those things where you know, you know, how it is where I started playing all these shows and then record labels start coming out. And then Joe Fisher, the same guy introduced me to Brett, was the one that got me signed at Universal.
I would tell, I would tell anybody moving to this town. More important than a record deal, more important than a publishing deal, more important than any relationship you're going to have in this town. Find yourself a champion. Yeah, find somebody. And Jonathan was that for us. Man, he was that Dan brought me in, but Jonathan latched onto me when I was young and said the same thing like, hey, man, like, if you stick with me like we will, we will make things happen in this town. And and and and bro I from and I've been through multiple pub deals in that whole thing, but he is he is a something in my musical journey in this Nashville town that that has stuck with me and has got helped me get to where I'm at now. And those those those relationships are in value.
Man, you know what the crazy sport I just thought about this. I'm kind of forgotten by this, but the day that Brett called me into his office, now I had been in town for three and a half years, just banging my head against the wall, just being like.
How do I thing to figure out?
Not one call, couldn't get meetings. But somebody from at the time, a big, pretty big record label had two big acts, saw me play and called me, got my number. I had nothing going for three and a half years before I got the call from Brett the same day. Didn't know Brett's call was coming in. This guy calls and said, can you come down here and meet with us? So I'm just like, oh, I'm ecstatic. I'm just thinking they just want to hear songs, and maybe there's a chance that something happened. When I walked in the room, the lawyer and the head dog were at the table, piece of paper on the table and told me they wanted to sign me into a record deal. I'm just sitting there and I'm like everything I'd wanted was right there. And I'll never forget this because it was so instrumental. I just think about I've always had a faith about me, and you know, something in my spirit was like, don't sign that paper. Now. I don't know what my journey would have been like. But they were already talking about making a record. This and that, And at this time, I hadn't written the songs. I hadn't written crazy. More time, I hadn't written a pretty girl. I hadn't written those songs Faithfuhl, I fall that made the fan base what it was. On that first record, Truck got people in the door, and then when they came to see the show, they were like, oh my gosh, what you know? What is this? You know, because it was a different sounding record than anything in town at that time, And I just remember being like, can you give me twenty four hours? And they looked at me so confused, like, what you.
Know, nobody passes this.
Give me twenty four hours. Just let me think on this. And I left, and within forty five minutes of leaving that room, Brett called me Wow, And I went straight to his place, played him two songs, and I just knew when I was looking at him, I just I just knew. And I just think about that. I don't think i'd be here, Wow. I think they'd have made some curated.
From Choky Cuter bullshit record.
And on me, and I wouldn't have known any better, to be honest, because I had I didn't know myself as an artist ship.
You know.
I was still trying to figure that out. And it took those four years with Brett to really where I got to. I was paid to write every day, and I wrote two songs a day for four years. I mean I was. I would stay at home, man, I slept in that building for two years.
Wow.
I would sleep on the upstairs twin bed. They had a twin bed in one of the rooms, and I would just take it. Yeah, and I just write all night. I listened to records and I was obsessed. But that's when I wrote all those songs.
Wow, that's aw That was.
A piece of advice I got early on in this town too. Is like as weird as it sounds, when you walk into a room from the jump, you can almost tell if it's if you're supposed to be there, Yeah, if if it's if it's right or not, and listen to your gut man. Yeah and yeah, man, that's that's awesome.
To you primarily write by yourself.
I primarily start by myself, and a lot of times I'll just finish by myself. But I always usually start not all ninety fibers in the time, I'll at least get a verse and of course going and then I'll call up people that I trust that I like collaborating with.
You've already talked about your process a little bit, is it? Is it? It's every morning you just but if you have a if you have an inspirational thought, inspiring thought, whenever throughout the day, will you just pick up a guitar start johnn to down you.
I just you know, I used to I used to be all a groove writer. I was always picking up my guitar first and and playing a groove and then what does that make me feel? But I'll write full songs in my head now and just before I ever pick up the guitar. And then I picked the guitar up and figure out where I want to go with it, and I start singing all the camera mellois in my phone. Then I figure out how that all goes, and I'll try to put down an entire blueprint of the whole track just from singing the parts on the phone, you know, And then I'll have a really good blueprint when I go in and record. But I mean so many of the tracks, I mean, even live here to work. I did that in my head before I picked up the guitar the minute, the minute I heard the construction workers say what he said, tell us why just you know, I had a bunch of guys working on a house beside me, you know, and I'm backing out, and you know, I heard somebody say it like, man, I don't live here to.
Work, thank you?
Yeah.
Yeah, So it makes so much sense with the like the past conversation. Yeah, it makes so.
Within five minutes, I'd written the course, already knew how to write on the gym, so I seen that, And as I'm in the gym, I think of the verse and I sing that my phone. I think the second verse. I seen that my phone and I got back to the house. By the time I was back in my house, I'd had three fourths of the song written. So then I just picked it up and was like, all right, what key do I want to be in here? And what's the rift going to be?
And yeah, yeah, we got a sneak peek to some of the new music, and that's they're all great, man, but that's that's the one for me. Many that's that's the one that evokes it, like it's like, oh yeah, no, man, that I ain't live here towhere.
You know, it seems like everything we're talking, even from like my watching mad At is kind of it weaving in and out of like this idea that I feel like the world is continually pressing on people that that's what we're supposed to do, that we're supposed to just grind, get up three am, get it out of me, grind, grind and grind, grind, and and then make that money. And oh, that's how you're proving your yourself to the world. But there is a beauty that comes with just getting to a place to where you're like, man, I don't have to prove anything to anybody, you know, And and this is how I want to live my life, whether it's surfing or for us it's in a tree, you know, or it's in the mountains, or it's you know, or in a fish tire or on the river fishing.
You know.
But I can I can totally identify with what you're talking about about, the not only like being in a free space, but also the cleansing that happens in the process of not working. Does that make sense?
Yeah, for sure, for sure. And you know, I think back to like when we were talking about you know, come to town. You know, how'd you make it happen? And all this stuff, And it's like, I do think it's key to for songwriters that hear this. It's like, find you a fellow dreamer that's good at what they do, that's hungry, that might not be as polished just like you, but he's has all the tools. And I just think about too. You know, I had a buddy in my life, Weston Davis, early on where we just were kind of kindred spirits and it was like neither one of us have pub deals and we'd hold up on all our days off together and hustle and and he was had that same hustle mentality and he's extremely talented, you know, and we just you know, through the years, you know, you kind of come up together and it's like those kind of things are so you know, that was just as instrumentally important as the four years with Brett really learning in that way too, you know.
Sure, Yeah, you had an episode a few weeks ago where the tagline was beat on your friends, and it was that and it's not like we're playing that out, but it was basically saying exactly what you're saying. If you can find you a dog man, Yeah, to stay in there with you and and buy you enough time to learn the craft and to and to produce some product too. Man. You know, I mean I hate to call songs product, but like, I mean, that's what we're selling, you know, whether you're singing it on stage or trying to get somebody to cut it, you know, songs with the product.
And it's interesting too because I think about, you know, day and the other day. You know, just some of these songs have been write and recording. He's just like, you know, he's been in the room with me a lot in the last year year and a half, and he's like, you're tapped in, and like I've ever seen you tapped in, but it you know, I've been faster than I've ever been. But it's it's all those years. It's those years with Weston trying to really figure it out and no one's in there but not knowing quite how to put it all together. And then with Brett and then with guys like Casey, and it's just you know, little by little and all sudden the light bulb goes off and it's like now I just I feel different. I feel very, very different. There's a different confidence level of knowing how to get out you know what's in there, and knowing how to put it down and knowing when it's right.
You know, when you look back on your on your journey, is there anything you would change? Are you? Are you ecstatic? Are you happy that you did it exactly the way you did it.
I'm not one of those people that say, oh, I wouldn't change a thing. You know, you gave me the opportunity to change things. I probably would now would that be for the better of me? I don't know. But there's definitely moments of my career with especially Slow Heart and While Ones. While Ones was the record that really catapulted the fan base. I didn't have any commercial hits off that record, but none none, Wow, but it galvanized Jared, What's that?
Did you do that to me?
And Bread? And we started to see in the fan base triple in size. And it was just that record. I could play it from front to back and the whole crowd would know every single album cut off of that record. But I can remember, and I've even had people from the label now be like, you know, we messed up. We should have we should have put out that was us. We should have put out this, We should have put it. I was like, I know, I tried, you know, but it was like, I wish I would have stood my ground a little more of being like, but you have that feeling of well, if I fight for my pick, it might not get hustled as much.
Totally.
You know, that's a weird political game. It's so political how people get in their feelings, and it's like, you know, it's a really odd thing to navigate. But I'll just look at, you know, those songs and watching how big they became in the shows, and I was like, I knew hearts Desire. I remember playing that record for the whole team and they loved the record, but they were scared to death of wild Ones because it was so different than Up All Night. It was so different, and they were like, well, where's girl two? Where's something by the Truck part two? I've already written those. I would get so bored. I see these and you know, to each its own. But I listened to some of these artists that have got this really formulated sound, and I know before I get the record what it's gonna sound like. I know what they're gonna sing about I know everything that's about to happen. Before it happens, I would be as a musician, I'd be so bored in the studio doing the same thing over No. So I wanted to push every record. I wanted to be different from one to the next. But I remember heart's desire. Nobody be in the room being like, man, that's our favorite song. We loved that song, and I said, yeah, I think it's a hit record. I don't think that's gonna work for radio, Like what does that mean? All of y'all just said that's your favorite, but it's not gonna work for radio. So we want to give something water down the radio, whatever that is, you know, something that's easy and more palatable.
Wow.
But ten years later, it's a number one in a different country, and I always knew what it was in like South Africa. Now when I when we just hit that opening and it's madness unlike truck has ever been. It's madness when you play that song there. So I always knew what that song was, and I should have been like, no, we're this is what we're doing, you know, but kindsight you're doing all right? Though?
Yeah, what's uh? What's next for Kid Moore?
Man?
What what you got coming up down the road?
Well, about to leave Saturday for Australia, New Zealand, which it's going.
To do it?
Can I tell us something else which we were doing?
Yeah, it's gonna be great, man, it's gonna I can't believe it. You know, when I think about the other night I saw just randomly on TV, you know, Caketown Football Stadium, I can't believe about the headline that thing that's good.
I just well, I just but we went to New Zealand last year and did some rugby games and then hunting out there in the South South Alps. I think, what's called? Man? You want to talk about some beautiful cultural Man, it's stunning, dude, it is stunny. So it'll be winter. It'll be winter down there, right, are coming up on winter?
Yeah, it'll be like the end, like the tail end. Oh well, it'll be the tail end, and then you know.
The seasons are like completely reversed.
Yeah yeah, And then I'll come back from that. I'll do an American fall tour like I do a headline fall tour that starts in November goes till December fifteenth, and then I'll go surf until into February and then I'll start back up in March and then the record will be out on record.
That's sick, man.
Man. Then we get some tickets to a show or something. Man, Yeah, you know somebody.
Yeah, dude, I'm a fan, am bro. Yeah, I'm not for music now, just hanging out with you, dude. Of you and and uh, your mindset, bro, the way you live your life. It's inspiring, dude, from real and we need more of it.
Yeah, I'm sure it was important that thing you had to say, but it's sometimes.
One that that one felt weird for some Yeah, because it dropped d you wouldn't do tune earlier and you were like looking at me and you're singing it, and that's what I was saying. Well, they got away, dude, let's go. Yeah, can't we do the one that got away? It could be you know, this is outdoor podcast, it could be hunting fishing, it could be a song. It could be we always say the Kobe Kalay one was a gift card that she She was gifted a twenty thousand dollars gift card for a show that she let Expire.
It was like spots.
I got a ten dollars cracker Bill car Hey, man, that really bummed.
I'll get your Friday Day.
When did they go up on price?
I'm sure they did everything.
I'm sure, man, off the top of my head. I hate to say this because I hate no. I have no problem, never had any problem talking about my mess ups. Two different times in college, I had a chance going into the eighteenth hole. Most of the tournaments are two and three day tournaments. In two different times I was either leading, leading in one of them by a shot, and I was tired in one of them going into the last hole. And I pulled the biggest choke job ever on number eighteen, but I was standing. I'm easy to do being standing. I pumped the drive on eighteen and I'm leading the tournament by one over some two big names end up playing with the PJ Tour and.
Come on, we got to know we got who were you?
Bubba Watson was? But I'm standing on eighteen and I'm like, I've got a chance to win this. The first time I've been in that position.
Middle of the middle of the green and drive, and I'm like.
I'm about to win this.
Thing, Yeah, to put the game over.
And my coach man, I love him. Rest in peace, Dan york Man. I love that guy. But he was an intimidating guy. And he always wore these like Oakley's that wrapped around his face. And he's standing on the back of the green and we were the final group and every all the players, everybody's and it's an island green and I've got a little pond dead front, but I've got a like one hundred and forty.
Five yards in what close that for you?
So pitch back then? Yeah, pitching Wedg's nine iron? How you wanted to hit it? But but because I was like, I want to make sure I clear this water, there was no wind, and normally I would have pulled a pitching well pulled a nine iron. I said, I'm gonna hit a little three quarter nine iron, and I chunked that sucker dead center of the water, like dead center and you get just spill it. Yeah what your coach man, I just remember seeing him in this Oakley and he just turned around and walked off, turned around the walk. Because we were also in the hunt as a team. It was it was a tournament to qualify for the National Championships, so we ended up still qualifying, but he just and I remember I had to drop then, you know, and the start of the water was only ten yards in front of where I hit it, so I had to pretty much just drop right from where I was. And then I scored one over the back of the green. I don't think I had hit my bad iron shot all day, and I scolled it over to the back of the green and I ended up, you know, making like a double buggie. And then the other one I three putted on eighteen in the Conference championship. I three putted on eighteen from about twelve feet straight away, no break, and just smoked it by I just but I looked back and I mean it was just a massive choke job, there's another way to put it. My hands were shaken and I was like, oh, I've got a chance to win the conference championship. Wam you know, And it was just gone, Yeah.
We had the We had the Kelly brothers own last last week and they're big golfers and grew up in Augusta and they're one I think Josh is one that got away with the same things like the junior am to it like leading by two and.
He's told me that oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right. Fourteen yeah, junior, yeah, masters only club, only club I ever broke the same thing. I was the only tournament high school I ever had a chance to win.
I was.
I was up by one on the seventeenth hole and then the sand I was on the short side, sand bunker and uh, water behind. So I was just gonna try to flow it up and I was used my dad sandwich and I hit one, just caught it real thin over the green end of the water and son, I took that sandwich, which and my dad wash.
That was fine.
That is great?
All right?
Now, favorite song, greatest slash, favorite song that comes to your mind. I know that's a big question, but uh we.
Try to play it like what's It's not the greatest song, but it's like the cornerstone song to you, you know what I mean?
Like what kind of Sunday morning coming down? Sunday morning coming down? Man. I remember just living in that garage apartment when I was first in town, and I just remember hearing that song boy, and it just hit me like a hammer man.
You gonna give us a piece or not.
I'm good with that. You know. Another thing comes to mind is run.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah?
What was that?
Baby run? Cut the path across blue sky straight in a straight line. You can't get it fast enough. Find a truck and fire it up. Lean on the gas and off clutch leaf, Dallas in the dust. I need you, you.
Know, soap, baby.
Run, that's probably written. I think it be run.
Yeah, I think it be run and George us selves. That so beautiful, so good man, shout out Tony Wane.
Dog.
I could sit here and do this for hours.
Bro, man, you're an interesting fellow.
Hey, thanks for coming on.
Man.
You bet that was your inspiration.
Wrong. I appreciate being the guinea pig y'all's first episode.
We got a physics might stand. I've been looking at them. Hey, keep more everybody out in God's Country. Thanks for hanging out with us, and uh well, we'll check out next time.
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