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John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas break down the Giants' Week 12 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Giants Extra Point.

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Yeah, the Giants were getting buried from the beginning of the game. You know, Tampa Bay right away had the long drive which took up over half the first quarter, scored a touchdown. Giants get the ball. You know, they had a sack with an unblock player, which if de Vida avoided, Evan Neil gets beat by Canty and you know he makes a sack. You know, the Giants been digging themselves in holes, especially at home. You know, but today I saw a different team.

Today.

I saw an uninspired group that lack effort a lot throughout the whole entirety of the game, offensively and defensively. And that's why you look at the score, and you know, you look up fourth quarter, half the stadium's gone, and then you know the Giants are down thirty seven and the beginning of the fourth quarter and there was no reconciliation for that. It was just a bad start and then the lack of effort and looked like an uninspired group playing out there today.

Yeah, and you know, the big talk before the game, Bob was about the quarterback changing all that. But the quarterback aside and the offense didn't play well. Obviously looked the same anyway. It looked the same anyway, but the defense. Five of the bucks first six drives they score points.

They punted just once.

They had drives of seventy yards, eighty two yards, eighty six yards, and ninety five yards. The defense did not come and deliver coming off of a bye week this week.

No, not at all.

And you know, just their lack of being into the game, alertness tackling you. You're down seven to nothing, okay, and you go for it on fourth down and you don't get it. You know, Wandell gets up in. You don't get the fourth down. So now they start with the short field. They march down the field and now you have them in a gold to goal situation and you stop the run and you knock the ball out and everybody in the Giants is just standing around.

It almost hit a Giant player.

In the foot.

Yeah, Brian Burns and Baker Mayfield comes diving in to save the possession.

Hey, down seven nothing, be alert, be aware, be into the game. Hey you recover that.

It's a momentum switch, right, it's a moment it's now it's just seven to nothing.

They wind up kicking the field goal. You're hold in the three.

You get the ball in plus territory in the second quarter, and listen John Michael Smith's got embarrassed on that play. He just got completely run over. Knocks, you had a field goal range. Another time you drive it down the field to start the third quarter. Now you run wildcat, Tracy fumbles the football away. It's neighbors with a drop like you just can't keep doing these things, man, But it's been happening all season long, and that's why you're unfortunately two and nine at this point in time.

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Johsh Bel, Jonathan you see, is Bob Papa with you on Giants extra point? The Giants fall to the Buccaneers thirty to seven. Here at MetLife Stadium, We're keeping an eye on the rest of the games around the NFL. Cavante Chirpin just had a kickoff return for a touchdown. After initially misfielding the kickoff, runs it all the way back for a touchdown. Dallas now leads the Commanders twenty seven to seventeen with two forty nine to go in the fourth quarter. The Dallas Cowboys are hosting the Giants on Thanksgiving in just three days time.

Yeah, I mean they looked abysmal on Monday night against Houston and now they're going on the road in a rivalry game. When you think of the Giants, when you think of the Cowboys, and you think of Washington, you think of the seventies and the Redskins, Cowboys and Staubach and these crazy games. So yeah, it's an entertaining game. But I don't really know where to pick up the pieces on this one.

Man.

This is this is hard to believe that this is the effort that the team gave coming off.

Of buy and you figured that coming off everything that happened this week with the quarterback and John You've been in the locker rooms like this. Something like that can't galvanize the group. It can push them together. And I'll be honest, being in the locker room this week, especially later in the week, there did to be there seemed to be some of that.

There was good energy in the locker room.

There might have been a little bit of annoyance about how some of it was treated by the outside people talking about the team, and I thought they were gonna be ready to go and they were gonna be ready to fight today and play well, and just on on both sides of the ball.

The level of execution was just very, very poor.

I mean, there was a lot of talk about positive energy and everybody was really fired up and pumped up, and there was there was a hop in everybody's step.

And then what happened.

They came on the field of who Yeah, I think we talked about day ball even said saying it last year that what Tommy DeVito did for them last year and also this year why he went Tommy because he wanted a spark And I said this before the game, don't look for Tommy had the spark. You provide the spark as a defender, as an offensive lineman, as a running back, as a receiver, don't wait for somebody. Looked like they were waiting for somebody else to make a play defensively and offensively. They just look at La said days a cool something that you know. I think the Giants have been outplayed here at home every game. I mean they're owing whatever six at home. Now, they've getten outplayed. But I never I've never seen the effort as slow as it was today, and that for me, that's very concerning.

The other thing, too, is man. I mean it's you can almost see it.

It's like they're just waiting for the Giants to be in man on certain third downs, and the quarterbacks you can clearly see they're free to all right, they're going to be in man, and whoever is supposed to be the spy or the shadow is not going to spire shadow. How many quarterbacks this year now have killed the Giants with a run when they're in man. Bryce Young did it in Germany, Joe Burrow did it for a touchdown, Jayden Daniels has done it going right back to week number two, and Baker Mayfield today. You could just see one of them was in design. He saw they were in man. He's like, I'm dropping back. No one's gonna be looking. I'm taking off eleven games into the season. You can see it up here in the box as we're calling the game.

That's exactly what they're gonna do. And you keep getting beat by the same thing.

And then two other continuing issues. Another red zone turnover, that's their seventh. That's third fumble, fourth interception. If you want to count a turnover on downs in week one, that's eight turnovers inside.

The n't count that because to me, you ran a play and you got stopped.

That's fair.

Here you're running a play and you're just handing the ball to the other team.

All right, let's go down to coaching Dable. He's addressing the media after the game.

Then, Okay, tough game, gift Tampa credit. They did everything better than we did today.

Team.

Yeah, it wasn't good. Damn wasn't good. You know, for a variety of you know, mistackles, converting in the red zone, turning the ball back over in the red zone. Had a good week of practice, you know, did a lot of work and obviously it didn't show, So no excuses.

You said you were hoping that Tommy would provided to start for the offense.

Why do you think that didn't happen.

Well, they played well and we didn't play well. So you know, get down twenty three to nothing, you know, changes a complexion of the game. Some had a good drive coming out of half, turned the football over. So just just not good enough, and that all starts with me.

How much you can either, if at.

All, everything that happened this week with Daniel in.

The whole situation, No, no excuse on that. Just didn't didn't do a good enough job.

You regret benching Daniel one more time? Do you regret benching Daniel?

Yeah?

No, we're moved on here. You know, we just we didn't do a good enough job today all the way around.

This starts with me in the context of doing it to spark the offense and improve the way the offense looked.

Yeah, no, we weren't good, Pat, So no excuses. You know, it wasn't a good day.

What did you tell the team after a performance like that?

Yeah, just that you know, I think there's a lot of prideful people, but what we put out there wasn't good enough. Can't make excuses. We've got a short turn around, but but didn't do a good enough job. And again had you know, had a good week and we started out slow, got down twenty three nothing, you know, things compounded and uh you know battled there in the second half, but but ultimately not not good enough. Yeah, no, good good energy, I practice, good detail, you know, bouncing around. Yeah, you know, again there's no excuses. It was it wasn't good and that's uh, that's my responsibility.

You guys are averaging this seven fourteen win, eight points of the game, which I think is the lowest in.

Over twenty five years with this team.

Why has it been a week over week issue.

With the offense?

Yeah, just for not doing a good enough job.

What did you think of Baker taunting or the fans and to Vetos?

Simple one more time, what did.

You think of Baker Mayfield haunting the fans in the stadium with to Vito?

Yeah?

I think they played well and he played He played a good game. So give those guys credit.

Frian, do you start when you talk about having a good week of practice. I'm sure you since the team was healthy that you sense you could to come out here and played a good game. When it doesn't happen, you kind of questioned, you know, am I getting through of these guys or am I not reading them right? Because the performance does not match anything that.

You've thought up before the game.

Yeah, look, Paul, I understand a question. We didn't do a good enough job, and you know, we got to be better.

What are so many things?

Are so many issues you.

See the defense, Yeah, that we we got to do a better job of tackling. You know, it's third down conversion.

The suit, dang tackle too good.

Yeah, we're just missing them. You know we've missed. We missed a bunch today. It's something that we focused on. Obviously not good enough, and you know, at the end of the day, that's my responsibility.

Your decision fourth and one early in the game.

But yeah, yeah, I had two plays there. I thought we had an opportunity to get it first down and keep the drive going, try to build some momentum, and you know, didn't get it.

Neighbors targeted the first at why was he not involved?

We didn't. We didn't have very many plays. Certainly had some there dialed up and they had whether it's a coverage designed. I'm not saying double them or anything like that, just a better coverage for the play in.

And of itself.

But you know it didn't have very many plays Dan, you know, try to mix in the run. You know, let's started out the game with a good run and not much after that the game got away from us and turned into a passaton, which you know is not is not what we want to do.

How do you defense the team that the big you made this week isn't the right interest.

In it when you had this Yeah, I mean I think we moved on here, pat with it again. We just got to get ready to go here for for this week.

You moved on from him, But there were a number of players who've stressed and said that they believed Daniel was this team's best quarterback.

Namely Dexter, and then to have this performance, I mean, is there a concern?

Are you worried? Yeah?

No, again, we're moved on from it. You know, we've talked about the Daniel situation. We just got to do a better job, played better all the way around.

How much do you think this was a pot like when you were weighing the pros and cons of making that kind of decision that this is a possibility that you might not get your intended result, which was, like you said, to create a spark.

Yeah again, George, I just say we're we're Look Daniel's on you know, he's not on the team anymore. We've talked about that. We got to do a better job all the way around.

Maybe you're starter next week.

Yeah, we'll see if he's If he's healthy and ready to go, he will be. How did you play to go back and look at Paul? Look, nobody, nobody did a good enough job. Start with myself. He just got danged up a little bit. I think he had knocked out of them back there, and uh again, took a couple of shots there. So you know, hopefully he'll be okay.

And then six straight losses.

Any concern that this could still ball, just trying to get a win, Uh again, do everything we can do each week, certainly not you know the performance that we set out to have, no question about that. Gotta do a better.

Job, Davis.

You've talked about execution all along. Are you concerned with the fight in this team right now? I know what you've seen during.

The week, but no, I mean we got to do. We gotta do things better. But no, I don't question our guys.

You mentioned miss tackles though a bunch of times the natural inclinations to say, what miss tackles is an effort thing?

What do you what do you say to that?

Yeah, I'd say we missed, we missed some tackles. I think guys were were giving good effort and you know we missed some tackles. They made us miss.

You know we had some.

I had some so many tackles.

If you don't think it's effort, what what's the other.

Technique? Give credit to the other guys eyes making us miss but certainly not good.

Enough all the time, always on the last rove.

Just try to finish the game, you know, give give Tommy an opportunity to finish the game and keep competing.

Tommy did take quite a few big hits. He actually, how do you address that in improving past protection?

Yeah, well we'll see why why there were you know, the hits were the hits. You know, we'll take a look at that and you know, try to correct what we can try.

Pricy Pracy came back into the kitchen.

Was he out for a punitive situation?

With the Yeah, you know, he turned he turned the ball over, gave Motor Motor some some burn and gray and then and then put Tracy back into concern?

Is that with him moving forward? It was sound.

Yeah, something we got to, you know, continue to stress and work on. But I have a lot of confidence in Tracy, but we can't we can't turn the ball over to the other team.

Do you have concern about your job security after a game like this or do you feel like.

You're safe and can coach out this season?

About the results?

Yeah, I just you know, I I feel for the guys that go out there and play and you know the result that we had today, and you'll focus on getting better for the next week.

See, it's your last four How much do you even consider that?

I mean, how much does that even go through your head when you have performances like this?

Yeah, the only thing that goes is how we're gonna make it better and that's what we'll try to do.

Okay? All right?

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Is Bob Papa with you from the home radio booth here at MetLife Stadium.

Gentlemen, we just heard from Brian Dab with the podium. Bob. Your reaction from what the coach had to say?

Uh, I mean, what's he gonna say?

First of all, he hasn't looked at the tape, which I mean you do have to look at the tape. He's gonna give you some broad based, generic answers and they got to play better, you know, I don't know. I don't know what else to say, man Like guys have to Guys have to square themselves up and look in the mirror because.

And by the way, he didn't soft pedal this, like you could tell by his tone he recognized how bad this was.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say at this point in time, but it's it's again, it's a collection of I gave you, I gave you the stats.

I don't know what they I don't know what they finished with today.

But you know, over the last five games, the Giants are giving up one hundred and seventy nine yards rushing per game. And although the numbers are probably better today in the rush defense, if you look at effective stuff, still wasn't that good.

One hundred and fifty six not much better?

Yeah, I mean it's hard to win the NFL when you're giving one hundred and fifty six yards again and you don't score. I mean, we go back to this whole thing, Jonathan, this offense, whether it was Daniel Jones or now Tommy Devido, the numbers are about the same. The yardage is about the same, The quarterbacks rushing numbers are about the same. You're averaging less than ten points a game at home, and you're averaging fourteen points a game in this modern NFL.

Pretty hard to win that way.

Yeah, it looked the same today. Today, looked the same as it's looked every game, especially at home. The Giants haven't figured out how to play well at home.

Can we talk about just some fun stuff right now?

Yees?

So the Chicago Bears recover an onside kick against Minnesota down three because it hit one of the Vikings players legs. Caleb Williams, then hits more. They kick a field goal to send that game to overtime. The Cowboys have this game basically wrapped up. They recover an onside kick and Jaden Daniels is just own a touchdown pass to Terry McLaurin where the Cowboys did tackle him. It was like a seventy yard touchdown pass with twenty one seconds to go, and they're an extra point away from tying the game.

Yeah, there was thirty seconds, thirty seconds to go and they completed an eighty yard touchdown pass Terry McLaurin.

It's unbelievable, and that the commander. I thought they might go for two.

They gonna kick the extra point here, send it the overtime and we'll see if they do again. The Giants play the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.

This is the extra point you hooked. That's Austin. That's Austin Cyberg, correct number three.

He just hooked it left.

And he missed the field goal earlier in this game too, or was it an extra point he missed? He missed a kick earlier in this game. I'm not sure what it was. It was either a field goal an extra point. But what a while finish with Dallas at the commanders, I.

Think we're violenting some kind of rules descriptions. Just copy right. Broadcast is brought to you by.

We're an NFL broadcast. I think they'll give us a break.

Oh my god, they Oh it wasn't even close that like.

That seven yard that was a Mike van Jack.

If you're old enough to remember the Indianapolis coach when they almost killed someone's Minnisota where you actually missed the net.

Oh my good, cowboys are gonna win.

You know what that looked like?

That?

Look after I like slice three straight t shots and you try to make sure you don't slice it, and you just yank it to the left.

That's what that looked like.

Let's go back to the Giants here.

Yes, absolutely, but look JC they obviously Brian David talked about the tackling. When you see the tackling, what do you see as a linebackers your job to tackle? What's going on with this? How many short passes in the flat did they have?

Today?

Runs where one or two guys but usually just one one on one as a chance of the tackle, and they're failing to complete those tackles.

And I say this almost every pregame, how difficult it is to bring somebod these backs down, somebody's wide receivers down. They're extremely talented. But it's your job as a defender to tackle, you know, it's your job as an offensive player to block, right. The basics of football is blocking and tackling, right. You know, the Giants haven't been a good tackling team at all this year, and you can look at the rush yards that they give up per game. But for me, it's the collective effort that I haven't seen. I haven't seen guys violently ripping off of Blox to get to the tackle. Because those zone plays that that most NFL teams run, no zone plays can't hit anywhere. They can go front side, they can go backside, and they're looking for the weak link. But how do you do that? You destroy blocks in front of you. The Giants are just sitting on blocks, whether it's front side, whether it's backside, and they're almost relying on one person to make a tackle. And it's almost impossible to do that as a defense. I think that's why you see collectively, week in and week out, the Giants are giving up rush yards after rush yards, after big rush plays, after little rush plays. Just consistently happens all year.

Jonathan will ask you about this.

Well, now, Dallas just to recover the onsite cake return for touchdowns.

Pretty good, right now.

I have to ask you about this though, Jonathan. This has been going on all year, right, so you keep saying, how do you fix it? It's been going on since week one and it's been a thread the whole season. So does that mean that what you're teaching ain't working? I mean, this is the first game that we saw where it looked like the Giants kind of let go of the rope, so to speak, early too early. But with that said, is it what is it?

Is?

It's part schematic where you're not feeling like you're in the right position. I'm asking, I'm asking for a friend, because it's been going on for since week number one? Is it go back to training camp and what they did as far as preparation for the season and whatever they did.

Never do that again because it ain't working.

But it's a consistent theme, and you always hear you know every week Daveson, we got to tackle better.

We gotta tackle better, we gotta tackle better. We got to clean up the tackling.

But it's not changing. So my question to you is it's got to be more than just effort, or does it? Because all I know is Bobbiocaraka last year was a tackling machine. Bobbio Caraka last year had one hundred and fifty tackles and played every single snap of the year. Dexter Lart Michael McFadden had ninety eight tackles last year. I mean Pinnock had eighty five tackles last year. Like, they tackled, and they tackled, and they tackled some more.

So what is it.

I know there's a new defensive coordinator, it's a new scheme, but it's more than just saying we got to clean it up because we're eleven games in and nothing's gotten cleaned up.

Yeah.

So from my experience, you know, my first year here in New York is twenty fifteen. Steve Spagnola was the defensive coordinator and we were not good defensively.

It was one of the worst statistically, the worst season ever.

With a crazy effort, right ever.

But the second year had a couple of pieces come in, you know, Snacks, Harrison, Olivia, Vernet, Genoras, Jenkins, some people came in. We drastically got better, like drastically. And I don't know if it was just the addition of new players people like myself playing at the right position, you know. But for me, it's it's a combination of all of the things that you were asking earlier. I think is the new defensive coordinator. I think the way that they're practicing now I'm talking about collectively as the NFL. I think that has the factor in on why you're seeing, you know, the tackling not being as efficient as it once was even last year, you know. And then look the energy today. I just didn't see the energy from the beginning of the game.

And then there's a couple other factors.

Ashawn Robinson, a veteran pros pro, was not on the team this year, and we saw what he did against the Giants, and he's having a really good year for Carolina. The younger guys that have been asked to step up to assume his role have not played to the level that he played at. And then you take out Xavier McKinney, who was a fantastic safety. So you start taking out some of these guys out of the mix, and then you change the scheme, and I mean, I'm just at a loss because nothing, nothing's getting fixed.

It's just the same everything.

And there are two other things that have been a common theme throughout the year.

Guys.

One, the Giants have not won the turnover battle on any in any game.

Well, they actually.

Forced four fumbles today only recovered one of them, so there were once again even one to one.

Have not won the turnover battle again. But the other problem.

Turnover on downs. I count those as turnovers too, Yeah, but it doesn't count a couple.

I'm just saying. I get Giants also got stopped on downs, right, Well, that's what I'm saying.

But when the Giants turn the ball over on turnover on downs could be front down, they turn it over at their thirty seven.

Yes, the Bucks also had a couple turnovers on downs as well, so it doesn't count the official I got you, I got you.

Yeah.

The other thing that's been consistent is the big point ratio. Right, So in this game, the Ten Bay Buccaneers had a fifty six yard run by Beck, Bucky Irving, a thirty two yard a catch and run by Bucky Irving, a thirty yard catch by Caydtten, a thirty yard deep catch by Jarrett, and a twenty six yard catch by Mike Evans.

So six plays of twenty five yards or more.

The Giants had a twenty three yard play which was their longest, and only one other play of more than twenty yards a twenty one yard past the Elak neighbors.

So once again, the big play.

Differential a huge factor here in terms of your inability to score points.

Sounds like every home game, every home game, we've had that big plays against the defense, not plays on offense. I think one of the games the Giants had, what the the longest play with fourteen yards was the the Philly game.

The longest play with.

Fourteen they had to They had back to back weeks with the longest play from Scrimmer.

It was fourteen fifteen yards, and then you know, giving up multiple plays over thirty eight yards. I mean, that's been kind of the recipe for the Giants to lose, definitely at home. That's the Giants recipe. They don't tackle well at all, defense consistently give up big plays in the run game and the passing game. Some teams don't even have to pass the ball with efficiency with the Giants because they can just run the ball at will, you know. And I think that's what you saw today. And Baker Mayfield in this Tampa Bay offense is a pass happy offense. But they got very comfortable running the football today, you know. I think that's because they didn't fear. There wasn't no fear. There wasn't no threat from the Giants defense that was gonna look like they'll be able to slow them down. They were gonna go for it on fourth down whenever they wanted to, and they had no fear of them, you know, stopping getting.

Stopped at all.

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This is Tommy DeVito and you're listening to the radio home of Big Blue the Fan, WFAN and Wfan FM, New York Practice Field and just it has to click.

That's it.

What do you think the key is to get to get to click?

Just finishing details.

Yeah, Tommy will all the emotions of the week, you get out there and for them to jump out the.

Way they did against you guys.

I mean you come in at halftime, what what's the mood? I mean, how do you get a read for this team and where you guys are at right now?

Yeah, at that point it was, you know, as we treated as zero zero ball game. You don't have to try to get it all back at once. You can't get it all back and once, not in one drive, but to go down and put together a drive and to go down the field and give the offense back our confidence. And I think that you know, obviously we did a good job of going down the field. We just have to finish it to really solidify that and put us back in the game. But at halftime, everybody who's up motivated, ready to go. It's not that's never a question. There's no hanging heads. There's nobody allows that to happen, and nobody does that. So we just got to keep that going, but ultimately we got to come out faster in the first half.

Tommy, do you sense a lack of confidence and well, do you sense it lack of confidence at a little in this offense?

No?

No, I think it starts with the leader. I think it starts with Davis. He's a very confident guy, and then obviously trickles down and I think like as a quarterback group, the receivers are confident. I think everybody's confident. I think we're just when it comes together, you know, just breathe into each other, just when things do go wrong, or something does go wrong, so there was a miss block or you know, balls in the ground, is just bringing that whole group together to that one guy to just bring that confidence back into him knowing he's gonna be good for the next play.

We got his back.

Tommy, what was your reaction to the bigger me deal to you're a touchdown celebration?

Honestly, I really didn't know until someone just mentioned locker room. I mean they were having a good game, they celebrated, is what it is. Kind of happened last year. I mean it's gonna happen.

I guess, Tommy, you know, most of the quarter get quarterbacks get most of the blame and most of the too much of the credit, too much of the blame. Do you kind of sit there and say, they wanted me to give him a spark, but it was kind of hard today to do that.

Yeah, I mean I pride myself on that. I mean, you know, you always want to be that sparked. The quarterback is a sparking any offense, not just right now what it is obviously with the way things have been going, but across the NFL, like everything flows through the through the quarterback. So yeah, I do I take that, you know heavy, being able to get more points going, to get things going in the first half, you know, I take that hardly. I'm gonna go, obviously, watch film, see what I could have done better on my part, whether that's on the field, whether it's off energizing the guys, keeping the guys going, like anything in any way, shape or form. Gonna analyze obviously, Like you said, you know, quarterbacks good when it's.

Good, it's great. When it's bad, it's bad.

So being able to just to even keel through it all, understand what my job is and make it better for next week.

I think you've said in the past that maybe the no more quality you have is confidence that you whenever you step out there.

Did did you see.

Something like this kind of transpiring overall as the team today? It seemed that things never got going until the game was really out of reach.

On the scoreboard.

Yeah, it was tough, I mean, but that's just the testaments that guys, especially the guys up front, everybody around us like did at certain points scoreboard it was zero zero word is going out playing and trying I put our best football forward. Obviously, like I said before, we got going way too late. But it's there. It's there. We're able to go up and down the field. Just those little things that just those little things just that bite you and just kill a drive and just don't allow you just to go down there and especially put points up on the board.

It just needs to get nipped in the butt. And it will. It will. I know it's been a while, but it's it'll happen.

You've played a lot of football in your lifetime. I mean, you've been on teams. I'm sure that see it. Think it's gonna come, doesn't come. Why are you confident that at two and nine for this team that it could still come.

Because I'll see the way we practice.

I mean a lot of the older guys talk about decks, talks spout at the time, Burns talk spy all the time, like we're the hardest practicing team that they've seen they've been around. I mean personally, I think that as well. You think the way we practice. If you go out and watch us, like we do not practice like we're two or nine river our record is like we're going out there like we are undefeated and like every day it's like a game. It just has to translate from practice to the field. That's that's the big things just needs to that. But no confidence is not an issue on the offense, defense, or special teams out of the ball.

I think the locker room is tight, Kit.

I think that everybody has a lot of juice going into the week, especially with how things have been going on the field. You know, there's no fingers being pointed. Everyone's kind of honing in on it. But maybe we just need to hone it a little harder. So gotta figure it off this week.

Take it too.

Did you get the wind knocked out of you on that? Yeah?

Yeah, just the wind knocked out of me a fun.

Does it help it at all that it's a short week, not much time to think about this one when you have Dallas coming up? Or do you almost wish you had more time to kind of figure out the little details that you talked.

About, right, just good and bad to it.

I mean, you're gonna flush it, obviously you have to go into next week, but you still have to be able to go back and watch it and see what went right and what went wrong and why. But that needs to be a quick fix nipping the button and then we're on to Dallas right now. So I think there's a fifty to fifty with it.

Thanks Tony, Thank you guys, if you do with the todium.

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Yeah, and when you can't stop him defensively and you're letting them just march down the field, you know, it takes a lot out. You know, Carl had a really good point too, right, I mean, you're watching the game here, where's the giant pass rush?

There was no pass.

Rush today today. There wasn't.

But Baker also because of his awareness and his ability to move inside the pocket just enough, he buys a little bit of extra time.

He's decisive in what he does.

But you know, at one point, the box had completed four straight third downs and all four of them were between two and four yards. You never got him in third and nine. You never got Now, eventually you got him in third and nine. They beat you on that too with Baker runs. But for the most part, like he was easy for him. They were staying on schedule. They were like, okay, we got a third and two. If we don't get it we'll go for a num fourth and two anyway. Yeah, listen, they had thirty nine plays in the first half to the Giants eighteen. It's hard to develop any kind of momentum offensively when you're on the bench most of the first.

And there were multiple questions about why they didn't get the league neighbors more involved in the first half, and I thought Brian Dables' response is actually correct, to five passes in the first half. It's not like to throw at everybody else a bunch of times here.

Well, he also got sacked three times in the first half, So you dropped back eight times and three times he got sacked, including the first possession where they ran a stunt and Cancey came up the middle.

And absolutely obliterated them.

So it's hard to get the ball to the leak neighbors when you only drop back eight times and you got sacked on three of them.

On all right, Bob, final thoughts here before you and the rest of the Giants jump on a plane on Wednesday and head to Dallas for the four point thirty in the afternoon. You know Big Fox game on Thanksgiving Giants and Cowboys.

Well, you know the.

Cowboys were horrible against the run when they came in here, and then all of a sudden on that Thursday night, they stopped the Giants run game dead cold. Maybe on a short week with actually no practices and walk throughs, the Giants will be able to figure out how to get their run defense better.

Don't I don't know. I mean, I'm you know what.

My final thought is, I want to wish every one of our loyal listeners a very happy Thanksgiving because most of our listeners some will be in the car sitting in traffic trying to get to some relative's house. But if you're not there by four thirty, you're turning around and probably going home. Like happened once when we were kids trying to get out to Farmingdale, Long Island, do Mont, New Jersey.

Did not well.

Nah, after almost two and a half hours, we hadn't even crossed the throgs Neck break, so we just kind of went back.

So what happened to you guys? Did have any dinner or anything with you?

No food?

I think we wound up getting to my aunt Knuckles around seven o'clock at night. We waited, We waited in the bronx at my grandmother's apartment for the traffic to subside. Finally, anyway, don't leave at like ten thirty or eleven am on Thanksgiving. Long story short, though, pile A lot of our listeners won't be listening.

They're gonna be watching on Thanksgiving.

So I want to thank everybody that hangs in there with us, that listens to the pregame show and listens to the postgame show and listens to every Dtino guarantee that you could possibly get that usually doesn't pan out. I want to wish everybody happy that it's giving.

He did not have any guarantees today.

I know he's giving up on guarantees because when he comes at your heart with some stat that's very affirmative, usually goes the other way.

Well, Bob, have a safe fight.

Enjoyed Nick and Sam's Wednesday night in Dallas and they have have a pleasant.

But seriously thanks, you know, because you guys are the ones that make us go right. It's true, Uh, you're the ones that listen and then you send us nasty tweets. And it's hard to talk half you off the ledge because half the time you're right and the other's half the time you're wrong.

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I'll see you tomorrow.

Oh, I'll see how about the rest of our listeners, won't I'll see you tomorrow.

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Giants again fall to the Bucks thirty to seven.

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We've heard from a bunch of guys downstairs, and look, well, we've heard from Coach Dable and Tommy DeVito downstairs, and both of them, I think, have been pretty clear that what happened today was a team ye failure.

It's not just one guy. Nothing went well today.

You know, we talked before the post game, We're trying to think of one or two guys we could highlight that really played well today, and we had trouble coming up with a couple of them. To be honest with you, I'm sure when we look back at the tape tomorrow we'll find a couple. But watching it live, it's it's hard to see that. So I'm not quite sure where to go here until we start hearing from more guys downstairs.

Yeah, I mean losing thirty to seven. I mean that score was thirty zero before the fourth quarter. You know, that's a collective effort. It's a collective effort to lose like that. Every game that you win is a collective effort. You know, and it takes a lot of people, but also taking a lot of people in a lot of different situations to lose thirty seven at home, being down thirty to zero, you know, at the end of three quarters, where you know, Tempa Bate could just take their foot off the pedal and just kind of close through the rest of the game because you have zero chance of coming back in the last fifteen minutes of the game. It's a collective effort, you know, poor tackling, not great execution on offense, secution on defense. You know, for me, the energy consistently throughout the whole game just wasn't there, you know, And I spoke about that early because the first thing that I look at is let me see the energy of the guys, you know, let's see the energy of the guys. And they just didn't look and they they all keep using the word spark, and I just didn't see spark. I saw the whatever word is the antithesis of that.

I saw that.

I didn't see that the spark that we all thought was gonna happen, and it was kind of like you felt it in the air, but it just never never showed itself. Today, defensively they look poor offensively. It looked like they look basically their entire year, just not efficient, not taking advantage, not executing situationally, not good. And that's what you see. You see thirty or seven. But that's how the game was. It was a butt whoopen from the first quarter all the way through.

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Here's what do you have to say?

You miss a lot of tablets, didn't contain baker will and scrambles.

If we didn't cover well.

Yeah, and sought to me, are you more disappointed with the effort than you are with the execution in general with this team.

I don't think we lack effort.

I think we just not doing well tackling and covering.

No defense.

That's why do you think you guys played sold because we didn't tackle and cover well.

Uh?

I guess was there anything you saw like leading up to this that kind of gave you warning sides that that thing?

Probably?

I guess how was how was the weak?

Did you see things like that?

Uh?

I thought we practiced well.

That was my message that half time. We practiced too hard and we practiced too good to go out there and play like that. I just continue.

How would you describe your level of frustration right now?

Uh?

Probably a team. You think it can get better?

And if it, if it does get better, how does it get better?

I mean I think it's always can get better. It's a process. It's right now. It's a long process that you know. I'm here for it.

I gonna keep leading, doing all I can on the field to lead, and you know, talking to the guys. I need to talk to the defense, Uh, guys on the offense whoever.

So yeah, do you think everyone is.

Bodying what the program is right now?

I think so?

Uh.

I mean, like I said, I don't see lack of effort. I don't see lack of like, I don't see selfishness. Just gotta execute better, man, you gotta tackle better.

We got cover better.

We had to be mentally locked in on whatever being called out there. You know, it's it's just keeps popping up from Uh, one player after another player out the another player.

Ye yet so sometimes just happened to the league in that gay season.

There's still a lot of games left. You kind of won.

I think, like I said, I think our effort is good. I think our mindset is we want to win.

We just got to execute better.

When a young guy like Malik says that he is hired of losing and he's only been here for one year, what is your message to him?

I'm with you, re tired of losing. You know this season, we have a good team and the season is now turning out the way it should be. Frustrating and and I'll get his frustration.

H I have it too, But you just gotta go go out and lead, keep going, keep giving my all.

That's what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna do my best to bring guys along as best as I can.

And that's where we're in.

That moment after the touchdown, you went to the sideline.

You're standing there with your hands over your helmet, kind of rocking back and forth.

What what are you doing in that one?

Frustrated? Keep him a cool?

Yeah?

Did you see?

Obviously sort of Baker Mayfield did the Tommy Deviato.

You know, if you're scoring a touchdown. I didn't see. You didn't see that.

What do you think of the fact that he did that, talling into the crowd in the stadium like that, I didn't see next song.

Yeah, if this could happen any week, but when it happens in the same week that the Giants kept the starting quarterback to I think that had any effect on locker room any the way guys reacting.

I don't think so.

Uh a, that's that's just a coincidence, unt, I don't. I don't think they had a an effect on the team.

They just played well.

Tim body played well or they had few, didn't have many mistakes and we had a lot.

Are you soft as about its as damning up on the diping as you can play on a team kind of defense.

I means, is that fixable.

Just a few days or ye season?

Like I said, cause my s I'm sayings office, we didn't execute our our uh calls.

Well we uh we played with a lot of effort at all.

That so oft as not executing a well an it's off to me like it's soft to not execute what now?

Why?

Why?

So if you know you guys have a little practice, cause you look for the guys told together in the practice as well.

So then then like, why does that happen when you have a soft execution?

I don't know, I can't do it up.

Do you feel that the an action between the coaching staff and the players is is still strong?

You know, sometimes it's a disconnect and that means.

To bigger play.

Cause my knowledge, I think so, all right, I mean I don't know. We can have more accountability all around. But cause my knowledge, I don't see any disconnect.

Do you feel like you're being put in the best position to have a.

Successful I think so?

He instantly, Uh, you just like I said, was you gotta be mentally locked in on our job and you on that one play in that one moment.

Do you in those moments and that execute.

Is it drain?

Take three more?

Is it draining for the defense when the offense can't put points on the board, especially early when they're shout out in multiple first.

Halfs they put thirty on us. So however many parents that they put.

On us, So we didn't do our job to sh great short fields create turn Okay, right, it's it's it's gonna be hard. You know, you had a new quarterback in so they were gonna do whatever they did, blitz on every play, So we gotta take it as a defense.

You gotta understand that, and you gotta play harder for the guys across the ball.

How next you do?

You do you think you've played yourself since you were picking.

They try to ice me out a lot of the game. Uh, I had two fans on me the whole game until the end of the game. Pretty much. That's what I gotta expect. I gotta play through it whatever it is, to try my best to defeat those and hope and you know, depend on the guys around made to make plays.

Do you think it's worth having a player's only media at this point to just have everybody air out their thoughts and see the campus off some of these issues.

I think we talked to the team a lot as leaders.

Yeah, thanks ex thank.

You, sir Lawrence postgame for all your office, industrial and residential moving needs. Trust Clancy Relocation and Logistics, the official moving and relocation partner of the New York Giants. Visit Clancy Moving dot com. And jac I heard Dexter there parrots something that you've said a lot of times this year. We've talked about the poor offense and after the games Giants haven't scored enough points. And you always say, well, you know, John, the defense can score points. The defense can set the offense up. And we talked about this, only one takeaway again in this game. The Giants have not started to drive inside the other team's twenty yard line the whole year. No defensive touchdowns this year. And I think Dexter was correct to say, look, new quarterback Tommy DeVito, it was the defens's job to take some of that on our shoulders, to provide some support today.

And they fail to do that.

Yeah, absolutely, And I correct you because remember I talked about takeaways turnovers. They didn't take the ball away. Tamp Bay gave them the ball, So that's a turnover for their offense, not a takeaway, you know.

There is they did force a couple they did, and also the turnover on downs as well late in the game.

But like for me as a defender, that's what you look at. Are we taking the ball away?

You know what I mean?

Like is it us doing it?

You know?

And that's what the Giants haven't done. They haven't taken the ball away from the offense. But I'm gonna use some you know, from Dexter's words, he said the defense is soft. He said they're soft because of lack of execution. And then he says, probably being more accountable would help with that, you know. And and those are I think all true things, you know, And and he's frustrated. And I've been where he's at, you know, I've been at that point where I'm trying to figure out the words to put forth of what I'm seeing, what I'm actually going through, what I'm a part of, you know. And Dexter's trying to figure that out because he's trying to make sense of what's going on because nothing really makes sense to the guys offensively or defensively. They're sitting back, like, I know, I'm practicing hard. I know I'm out there playing hard. How are we getting blown out? Why can't we win at home? There's a lot of questions that I don't think nobody truly has an answer to, you know, And I think everybody's scratching their heads. And that's why you kind of get these almost you know, back and forth answers because they don't really understand what's happening, you know. But there is something off about this squad. I don't know what it is, but this this you know today and every game at home it's kind of had the same type of recipe where everybody's kind of scratching their heads at the end because it's such a lopsided game where you look and you're like, Okay, my effort was there. I've been putting into work, but for some reason we're getting blown out at home. We can't score touchdowns, we can't stop guys, we can't stop to run. What is it actually happening? And the Giants have to figure out a way to answer that question. And they're saying they had good practices, but you got to have that trend has laid over to the games because practicing hard is it is good? If it's translating over. If it's not, then what are we doing here?

Quick time out. We'll come back.

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Thirty four eighteen.

Dorino out of the gun, takes snap back on the Pressure's gonna run.

He's got plenty of greens to the ten, to the five, head around the head and drop the whole one.

Whoopsten seventeen yard run for three too one or there might be a face mask for that, not technically a face mask, but eight granded by the bottom of the helmet, which is technically a penalty that's considered a face masking penalty.

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Back here on Giants Extra point. Giants fall to the Ten Bay Buccaneers three to seven. They are now two and nine Tonight. Statistics are brought to you by the Archdiocese of New York. Learn more at Inner City NYC dot org. Well, the stats about as ugly as the score here, folks. Giants get out gained four hundred and fifty yards to two hundred and forty five today they end up finishing five and eleven on third down and Bucks were six and eleven, But that is not representative of what this game really was. Bucks win the time of possession battle thirty four minutes to twenty six minutes. In this game earlier, I already went through the big plays. The Bucks had six plays of twenty five or more yards. The Giants only two plays of twenty and more, none of which were more than twenty five, So the Bucks said six plays longer than the Giants' longest play individually. For the Giants, Tommy DeVito finished twenty one to thirty one for one hundred and eighty nine yards eleven yards short. Guys of my over under in the pregame show with our contest eleven yard short just miss that. Tommy Tyrone Tracy nine rushes forty two yards, Tommy DeVito ran at seven times for thirty two yards. Devin Singletary two rushes three yards for the Giants. The Laieighbors led the way six catches sixty four yards, Wando Robinson five catches forty seven yards, Tyrone Tracy four catches twenty eight yards, Theo Johnson three for thirty nine. Two catches a piece for Eric Gray and Devin Singletary.

The Bucks.

Baker Mayfield as solid at as efficient as you can be twenty four thirty two hundred and ninety four yards. He did not throw for a touchdown. All four Bucks touchdowns came on the ground, one for Mayfield himself. He had four carries for twenty nine yards. Bucky Irving twelve for eighty seven in a touchdown, Rashad White twelve for thirty seven in a touchdown, and Sean Tucker had four carries three yards and a touchdown. Baker Mayfield spread the wealth in the passing game. Eleven different Tampa Bay Buccaneers with at least one catch in this game. I'll go through the guys that had more than one. Bucky Irvings six catches sixty four yards, five catches sixty eight yards for Mike Evans and five catches and sixteen yards for Sterling Shepard. That's the Bucks on offense. Defensively for these two teams in this game. The Giants pass rush, which again they were only one sack, I believe behind the Broncos saying into this game for most sacks in the league. The Broncos then had their buy well the Giants again, their pass rush not really making any noise in this game.

No sacks, just two quarterback hits. The Bucks had four sacks.

Antoine Winfield had one, Nelson had won as Anthony Nelson, Klaijah Kansi with one, and Vita Veay with one when he ran through John Michael Schmidtz for that sack.

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Don't bring peta Bay and it's a full back again. Tucker the tailby and off. Tucker runs left, stood.

Up FuMB of the football, it's loose on the ground and Mayfield recovers it.

Baker recovered it was just laying there.

Nobody noticed that the ball was.

There, and almost said burns in the foot and Mayfield came out of nowhere and going on it.

And I chose that as our tony point of the game because I feel like that was the opportunity for the Giants to really turn this thing around and get a turnover. If Brian Burns bends down and picks out, if you might be a run at ninety nine yards for a touchdown, he.

Might, So I thought that was a good play to choose.

They would end up kicking a field goal and then that was all she pretty much wrote there. So that was my turning point of the game. You listen to Boomer and g on our flagship station WFN tomorrow morning in the nine to an hour But the Giants Turning Point Contest. The first crack caller to name the game's turning point will win two tickets to an upcoming Giants home game. Johns SHLK, Jonathan Casias, Paul Natino with us as well. Giants fall to the Bucks thirty to seven.

John, the second that play happened, I turned to Casia sitting next to me in the press box, and Jonathan, you back me up on this. I said, this is the way the season is gone. And the Giants situation. Gray gets the ball stripped at the goal line, loses it. Seattle runs it back all the way the other side for a touchdown.

Well, what happens to Baker that ball drops? Giants don't pick it up, Buccaneers get to.

Hold the ball, and nothing good happens to the Giants.

It's this is typical.

Those two plays are a exactly typical of how this season is gone.

I want to go to Brian Burns in the locker room. Already heard from Dexter Lawrence. Another defensive leader is Brian Burns usually has some good things to stay down there, or at least maybe not good, but pointing things to say that are worth listening to. So let's listen to Brian Burns after the Giants thirty to seven defeet What did you think.

Of your guys performance?

Term? Explain it tackling supposed to players me, little.

Tackling has been kind of an issue all year. Why do you guys are not going to fix that up? Why if you're not gonna fix the tackling is year?

I give it to you.

Some have been putting emphasis on and just saying can't seem to get right now.

Cole I said, there are a couple of guys assessments when you guys played soft?

Said it again, a couple of guys assessment when.

You guys played soft. What do you think when you hear that?

I don't know about soft. I ain't watched the film yet, but I know tackling was an issue.

Do you look at it as an effort looking at something else?

You know, its technique, not wrapping up the the all the simple things at tackling.

Do you think the coaching staffs the mess are just getting through.

I would like to think that, but what what for the reason? I said?

I would like to think that, cause you know, everybody has the right answers, but it's not showing up where.

It needs to show up.

Do you think this team still believes in this coaching stuff for sure?

Do you think there's a lot of trust your teams or on the field.

N't know.

I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say it's a lack of trust. And I don't think the effort is terrible. I think it's just really just coming down and tackling. And I don't know what what we need to do to to fix it. But the coach has been preaching that for a while. It's not on the coaches, on the players too. They can't make a tackle for us out there, so it's really on us, and today was just terrible.

If the effort is what you said, it's it's okay, you know, it's fine. It can it be just the fact that you don't have good enough players that can make tackles and do the things. Okay, you know, I'm just trying to figure out what if it's not talent, then it's not effort and it's just we don't make me to This has been going on for a lot of games.

Yeah, so you use the technique angles, situation, situations, you know, maybe a lot of different things on uh, on different plays that that can result to mistackles, But at the end of the day, you gotta make tackles.

It could it be something about poyees in the moment, about going for the proper hands of.

The individual thing. It could they come down to different people. Different people have different issues with their tackling. Then they have to figure that out.

Do you think Daniels shut down and released and kind of everything to happen this week?

Do you think that was a tough thing?

Maybe for the team to handle mentally.

In a game week. No, No, I don't think they got to do with us tackling?

Uh?

Was it you know? Was it a bummer? Was it awkward?

Yeah?

You know cause Dang was a leader, He was a great guy, great captain, great teammate, And it was a bummer.

But at the end of the day, they ain't can do with us tackling.

What do you make at him coming up your ride way being down thirty to nothing at home?

It's ass?

How do you did you sorry?

Did you foll off by that?

Did you make that nothing?

To guys?

Like?

Did you say something after I spoke with mom? You wanna expand on it anymore?

Not?

Really?

Was that half time or post post game?

How do you guys?

Uh?

How many guys spoke a lot of.

Room after.

GVR was about to speak and then I started to talk and that was pretty much.

How unusual was that for you?

You usually, you said before, You're kind.

Of not the rod ride you know, yelling scream teler game.

I'm I'm not usually into the whole you know, motivational and the rock y'all, Like you just said, a rod rode and all that. But if it's something that's been on my mind, on my heart.

I said, how feed up are you?

The dominance just wanna win?

Man?

No, like I said, I I told the team and say it's not I'm not excluding myself from anybody. I say as a whole everybody was bad today and nobody got anything done what we needed to get done, and we got a short weekend.

We need to get back to what we were doing.

So insies are across the board like that, you Sally still believe in the coaching and the out type. People think that's a reflection of coaching. I think if the whole team basically isn't ready to put not.

No offense to anybody from the outside, but they can't really speak on what we got going on in in house, what makes.

You think that this is fixable or do you do you think that this is fixable at two and nine.

With six games up, fixing what well, not just the tackling, but also the the result across the board.

I know you can't speak for the offense, but you know, just the result across the board, not losing games thirty to seven.

Yeah.

Yeah, at the end of the day, man, I feel like it's coming down to pride and and just want to I feel like this is a process thing that we're in. We have a lot of young guys that need to grow, and they're getting a lot of playing time.

In their first year. So I expect them to you know, progress.

Throughout the rest of these games so they can be you know, because they're gonna be key players for us next year. And I do believe in everybody on the team, but especially in the defensive room. I do believe they have talent and and everything like that. It's just you know, just growing pains right now.

That we got to get through.

That's what a leader sounds like.

Folks, when you have a veteran player like that talk after the game, JC as a guy who's been in the locker room, Just give me your reaction to what Brian Birds had to say. The fact that he did talk to the team after the game, which is something he's generally not known to do.

That's not the type of guy that he is. Just give me a breakdown.

Well, it sounds like he's a man for accountability. You know, he doesn't want to put anything on the offense or what happened this week with the you know, whole transition of quarterback. He put everything on the defense. You know, the defense gave up thirty points in three quarters, you know, and Giants, no matter what they were doing offensively, that doesn't give you a chance your team a chance to win. You know, even if the Giants were averaging twenty eight twenty seven points a game, that's still you know, more points than their averaging, which they're not doing that, they're actually half of that. But he's taking accountability for not just himself, but for the defense as a whole, you know.

And look, I wasn't there points on six drives, by the way, just to be more specific, Wow, six drives thirty points.

And you know, he's he's taking full accountability. And like I said, it's you don't really know exactly what's happening, because it's like how do we get here? Like I know that I'm putting forth to effort as a player throughout the week and I'm doing everything I can, and then I get out here and we look up, you know, after an hour and a half of playing football, we're down thirty points, you know, and they're trying to figure it out, you know, and I think, you know, with guys like that on a defense are good. But look at offense, right, they lost their leader and Daniel Jones they got rid of him, and then Andrew Thomas has been out. Those are the two offensive captains. So where's the leadership? Where's that coming from on the offense?

You know?

And for me, I know, I've been part of two Super Bowl teams. We had great leaders on both sides of the ball, and I think offensively, I think they lack that. You know, Andrew Thomas being down, Daniel Jones being shipped out of town. You know, where's the where's the leadership actually coming from on offense? Because every week we hear Dexter Lawrence and Burns talking about how they talk to the team. And you know, we're always so high up on Burns, But what about offensively? Who's the guys that's you know, holding everybody accountable. The coaches can only do so much. They can't play, they can't play, they can't tackle, they can't go out there and black people, you know what I mean.

Do you agree with what he said when he was asked about the tackling that if the coaches are teaching us to correct fundamentals, this is not a coaching thing.

This is a player thing, I believe.

So, I mean, like I said, coaches can't go out there and play. They can't make any tackle for you, you know. But look the way they're practicing now, you know, is different than the way we practice. You know, we practice wore pads a lot more. We were actually ones on ones a lot more. That means good on good first string offense against first ring defense, no scout team, no cards, right, no cards, just your your offense against you know, my first thing defense. And we thud, meaning like we hit the running backs, We thud the tight ends. You know, we're going up and we're getting off of lineman. I don't know how much they're doing that nowadays in the NFL. I don't even know if they can do that. You know, nowadays in the NFL.

There are literally only a there is a limited number of practices during the season in which.

You and no one tackles during the season.

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about maybe that step fast speed on speed, which is good against good ones on ones, twos on.

Two you're probably only get a thud though in your full pads on you're not gonna thud if you have shows on right, No, I mean, but.

You you do, you play, you play at a certain speed going against a scout team. I'm sorry, you're just not gonna be at one hundred percent. You know, you got guys that aren't playing in the NFL servicing you as a scout team. Right the way you get better at practice when you go ones on ones, when you go against guys that are playing in the NFL at full speed, and of course you're not tackling them, but at least getting to the point of contact with that full speed engagement. And I don't know how much they're doing how much they're doing that in practice. I don't know if they're even eligible to do that at practice. But you know something's not transpiring over because they keep saying they're practicing well and it's going well. But something's not transferring over because what we've seen here every single game I met life, we've seen poor tackling here.

And Paul, the bigger problem now this week, it's a short week. This is all walk through a week like you can't. You can't do anything any of that this week on the Thursday didn't come it up.

No, you can't.

And I think what what I'm pleased about the reason that you aired that, John, and you're gonna air Dexter Lawrence in just a bit.

We already did, We already already did.

Ok Folks, if you didn't pick it up, those two guys are beyond angry. They're furious, Yes they are. They are furious. You could see it in their eyes, You could see it in their body language. I know you don't have a visual on the radio, but it was there, more angry, more disgusted, more fire than I have ever seen in this giant's locker room, and at least in recent years.

And that's about the defensive performance from those two.

Yes, yes, that's want to make sure that we're being clear about what they're angry about.

I don't want people strap a leading no no, no no about about what they put on the field. And by the way, for anybody out there, and there were fans out there who keep saying, well, you don't lose out, get the higher draft pick, okay, I would love for you to go nose to those with these guys and tell them that it's better to lose out, because if you were in their faces and you could see and hear what they were saying, then you would never dream of saying lose out.

I want to never say that.

I want to revisit Jac's question about the offensive leadership in the next segment. But we have one more guy on defense in the locker. U. I want to get to Keevon Thibodau talked to the media after the game. It's his first game back from that worst injury. Let's listen to him downstairs.

NFL had winning games are hard and you know, we just gotta keep getting better.

Belief just said to us that he's just tired of losing.

Man.

I tied to this.

Keep mind no uh real poison, just copestic and obviously all you can do is your job and this point in you know, just tryna continue to focus on what us as outside line and backing group in one of the defense.

You know we could get better at.

To contribute to the team defensively as a group. Do you just need to make a to do a better job of acting.

Yeah, and that and that just starts with the individual. I think, you know, we gotta get back to the simple things. You know, Football's about making tackles and getting a a f uh offensive down the ground.

So we gotta do a lot better at that.

People have to be an out for about a month or so with the West, how do you feel physically?

You real to do what you wanna do.

Definitely was gas, but you know you you gotta keep uh playing. You know Z's went out early, so I had to you know, do more than you expect them. But that's the nature of the beast. So just me trying to continue to get back in, you know.

Show up.

Were they just really good today or did you guys struggle in areas?

Uh?

A little bit of both, man. I I I think you can't take any team for granted. Every team is good in the NFL. I just think you know, you gotta make the players when they come to you.

Dave said, just not good enough today as a club.

Do you agree with that?

Uh?

Yeah, you know we had opportunities. We didn't take advantage of him, and you know we didn't make away for ourselves.

So tips, what are some of the main issues to see and stopping it?

I think just fundamentals we gotta tackle. We got a rally. When we do get there, it looks great. When we don't looks horrendous. So just being Sharper. I think we just got to continue, you know, getting better at our individual fundamentals.

How deceptibly slippery.

Take a few nights.

Uh smart quarterback, very elusive, you know, and very heads up, gud get at finding you know, his dumb down receiver target.

So you know they got the best of us.

That's Kevon Thibodeau. After the game, guys, good to see him back on the field. But the pass rush Paul not existed in this game. They weren't getting close to Bakers, not like he was just getting the ball out. Jac made the point of ordering the post game, they're blitzing. He's still sitting back there, reading the field, getting it out. Bob made this point. A bunch of times on third downs he scrambled. He's running for first downs left and right. Uh second a game. They didn't have a great game against the Panthers in Munich either or the pass rush has got a little bit quiet the last couple of times out.

We need to give credit to Mayfield's a s capability because he was very good.

Not a lot of pressure though.

No, there were times, Look, Jonathan's next to me in the box right, and there are times he's like Oh, they blitzed.

Look at the time he's got and five and six guys are coming. And by the time they get to Mayfield four and.

A half five seconds down the road, he's already looked at his first spot, two three receivers.

Then he decides to move out and then he makes a play.

No, I don't think there's any question John, in the last two weeks the pass rush in my opinion, and I know that their pressure number wasn't that bad against Carolina. I just don't think the pass rush was nearly as dangerous as it needed to be.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And you talked about scapability, and that's just pocket mobility what we've seen from Baker Mayfield and a couple of times we were talking throughout the game like there were people around him. But he did a great job in navigating that, you know, the space inside the pocket, getting to where the giants aren't and then getting the bought on a field, if you've got to cover for four or five seconds, that's almost impossible to do that against these propersity.

Now, JC I said this after the Carolina game, and we've heard of guys on the on the front seven talk about how the defense has to be unified in the pass rush.

You have to come in a wave.

What I've seen is that the last couple of weeks, the pass rush has been jagged like a key where you've had one guy here, but one guy back here, one guy here, and that allows these little pockets levels where exactly where they're not all on the same level of pass rush, and it allows pockets where if the quarterback has that escapability where he can find that little spot to move his feet, that's how he buys the extra time. And the Giants have not had that that even press your eyes pass rush, it's been too jagged in my opinion.

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York Backyard Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the Bucks thirty to seven. The aforementioned Tyrone Tracy in the locker room after they gave me that big fumble inside the ten yard line.

Let's hear from him.

The results changed the narrative over these next six games of where you are right now.

I mean, we've got a lot of talented, talented young guys now, you know, as you can see, I'll wee all contribute on the full off field. So I feel like we you know, we we we have a team to where you know, potentially, you know, we can impact the game. You know, so anyway we can't impact the game, we need we need to make sure that we're doing it in in.

The right way.

So, Tront, if I may ask on the fumble, was you trying to do too much? You trying to give s extra third effort kind of things.

That would happen. Yeah, So I mean, I had the ball in the wrong hand.

That's the main part.

You know, I had the ball in right hand, should have had it in my left hand.

But yeah, you know, I'm always trying to fight for the x YR. But I gotta understand, you know, when enough is enough, and that right there just kinda kind of hurted us.

Hurt us, you know at the end of the day.

So whether that situation ever comes up again, I gotta understand, you know, when it called the ball is off and just you know, go down. But again, I feel like if I had a ball on my left hand, you know that that w you know, wouldn't happen, you.

Know how power ability, it wouldn't happen.

I've seen some coaches when a young player has a turn over like that, they abandon him, frivel in a while. Ryan David doesn't do that to you. He gives you the ball back again. In fact, that even saw him talk to you on the sidelines.

How much does that mean to you?

It means a lot, you know, s I mean and day they have a good relationship.

Sup.

He knows I play hard, he knows like I do things the right way to best my ability, and you know that fumble really doesn't define me. And you know he has trusted me, and I trust myself as well. So when I got there on the football field, I do my best to put the team, uh in a in a good position.

Tybone Blane Table said, you guys are really good, big good pride in something time about execution.

Wis why is.

That not translating over to Sunday after thos or in this case, this Sunday. Yeah, I thought it was.

Yeah, we we have to execute better, you know, that's really all it is.

You know, we have to execute better.

You know, and during the week, you know, it's kind of a controlled environment out here on Sundays was not controlled, so you know we have to you know, kind of flow with the punches.

But at the end of the day, we have to do our job.

You know, Uh, each and every person on the football field.

Dave's call the place, so we have to go out there and you know, execute you know everything he call what he calls.

That's Tyrone Tracy. Let's go to Cliff in hand. He wanted to talk about Tyrone Tracy. Cliff what's going on?

Yeah, thanks, guys. Yeah, you know, at the bottom line, it's a young team, and he's he's the he's the person I'm thinking of first, because you know, he put out either a tweet or a comment a couple of weeks ago, you know, after one of his big games and hey, it's only you know, and I've only been a running back for a year, remember that. And and that's the point. You know, most running backs in the NFL have been running backs their whole life. And I don't think he's had that much experience, you know, with the situations where he's lost it, you.

Know, like some of those things, Cliff, where you're not putting in the right hand.

I think that you actually could I think chalk that up to natural experience.

Correct, I agree with that, And that's fair.

Yeah, and it was it was changing hands the last time, so yep.

Yeah.

And going into the game, you know that that first drive. You know, we talked about other teams during the broadcast that they mentioned other teams coming in to us for their get right game. Well, you know, this reminded me of the Bengals game. You know, the Bengals were supposed to have had all kinds of problems coming in to see us, and the same thing we said about Tampa on defense. And what we don't get before the game comes, and what the coaches can't prepare for is what those other teams have done since their last game to fix their stuff. And we found out after the Bengals game that they had fixed a lot of stuff and then still not doing that great, but still they did a lot better against us. And the same thing happened today, you know. And the other thing that I.

Noticed was he, by the way, real quick, just said not to in drupt your cliff. Cowboys have not won a game in hobyet this year.

Right, who's next?

We'll see, I'll be here.

But but.

No, they this this team won the Super Bowl not that long ago. And at least three guys that I remember were out there today, and all three of them made big plays. Evans, Vita Veay, and Devonte David. They all made big plays. So they still got those guys. And Baker is who he is, and and uh, you know that that was This is a this is a playoff team from last year that has a clear path to getting back in the playoffs this year. And it's they're just so much more advanced than us. But the whole young team thing is I wonder if the tackling thing, the technique really means angle. I mean, Bryan Burns also mentioned wrapping up, but you know, these guys that got drafted the big defensive players for us, they've also been tackling their whole life, you know, And I think it's just very different. You guys have taught us when they get to the NFL and and you know, the game is faster. It's only the best guys from all of the experience that they've had before that they're going up against everybody on the field that like that play that Moossau may missed. I'm sure he knows how to tackle, but isn't it maybe angle more than wrapping up and that that would be maybe the technique that they're talking about. But nobody's given up. And I think it did make a difference the whole Daniel thing of because they got that out of Brian Burns. I forget exactly the way he said it, but you know, he said, he's a captain, he's a leader, and you know, it's a bummer. He said it was a bummer, That's what he said.

And Cliff absolutely right. Look and in some ways it is bommer. When we appreciate the call, but we're going to talk about this with a couple of the callers they we have on the line. I mean, guys, look, we we knew going in here all the problems with the team this year. We're not the quarterback. I mean, we went through the whole self scout this week, whether we did takeaways, the run defense, red zone execution through it.

It wasn't just a quarterback issue. The drops. It wasn't just a quarterback issue. Thissue.

Now, people yelled us for saying that earlier in the year. Now I feel like people on the other side of the yells of saying it again.

For another reason, Paul, let me let me speak about what Cliff said about the defense too. Yes, he talked about the angles, but it's all of those things that Cliff was mentioning, right. And we talk about these young players coming into the league, and they always talk about the speed of the game, how it's so much faster. It's not about the players being fast, It's about how fast the plays are being ran, how fast the running backs are getting to the line of scrimmage, how fast those linemen are getting up to you, how fast they're executing the plays. If you're thinking on defense, you're lost. You lost already. You have to read and react. You don't think on defense. You think and you process information before the play. Then after the play you read and react. There's no time to think. And if these young guys are out there trying to process information after the ball is snapped, they're gonna be late. And I think that's what you're kind of seeing. Got a lot of young guys, especially in the secondary, playing for the Giants, and a little bit late because I think they're trying to process information instead of reader reactor.

When people talk about winning attitude to me, Jonathan, and I think you can speak to this because you've been on winning and losing teams. That's about how you deal with the emotions during the game. How you focus play to play to play, how you make sure you cross all your t's and you dot all your eyes, and you pay attention to all the little details. Those kinds of things add up to making winning plays. That's how you become a winner, so to speak. Okay, so think about this for a second. This Giant's roster right now has two guys with a Super Bowl ring. Okay, only two Stinny and Notcho Newness Roaches, two guys who have actually worn a Super Bowl ring. I think that's something that needs to be considered. I think when I said on the pregame show, only seventeen of the fifty three active players we're on the playoff team of twenty twenty two, you've got a whole bunch.

Of guys the last two years on this team who have not known winning.

And I hate to say it, but it's a chicken in the EDG kind of thing until you get there, until you taste it.

Sometimes it's very hard to hear people speak about it and experience it. Until you do it yourself, you can't get it right.

Yeah, I fully agree with that. And they don't know what a winning standard is, you know, And I think that's kind of what it is. Like Dave Ball has experienced winning, you know, he's part of Patriot's, part of Alabama, like when they win that championship, Like he's been around it, so he understands it, right, Joe Shane with Buffalo, he understands what winning is. A lot of these players don't understand what it means and what it looks like to win in the NFL. Some of these guys won in college. Okay, cool, and the NFL is a whole different story.

I mean, even Brian Birds in Carolina did not do a whole lot of correct, right, correct. I want to get back to the calls eight eight eight eight one zero one nine. Let's go to Frank inside of it. He'll join us next on Giants extra point.

Hey Frank, Hi, guys, Yeah, I'm a loyal Giants fan, and go get back to Frank talking to the numb In my sixties, you know, I used to listen to poll O'Neil on the Yankee say when you put that little pinstripe jersey on at the end of the why it makes you do special things? And I don't hear any of that. I'm sorry to say. I'm sorry to speak this way because I love the Giants, but I was listening even to the Rugies game yesterday and in the post game, and they didn't win, but the head coach would say things like, you know, they left it all out in the field. I wish I could have gave him a win. To the Senior's Day. It was their last home game that they'll ever have, and but they pull for each other. They the guys on the line, look look to the guy that left the right of them, and see how they're breaking it butt and it makes them do things they might might not feel like doing today. And I don't hear anything like that coming out of the head coach or any of the players pulling for each other, loving each other. I I listened to the games in the radio. I hear a bunch of individuals, individual talents. I don't hear a team. I don't hear a team. I don't hear what straight hand and tuck and and and and Jacobs used to say it was all about team, team Eli, I don't hear that. And I'll tell you maybe maybe the head coach has to take a different approach. I know Tom Kompland had to. He had to stop screaming and yelling because the players stopped listening. Maybe he's got to stop slamming the cliffboard on the sideline. Maybe he has to take a different approach. But you know, I don't see any stability that the team is also you know, defensive coordinated gun McKinney gone, Sterley, Sheppard gone, Barkley gone, Jones gone.

Uh.

I don't see any stability anymore. And and Bob Poppa brought up a good point before too. What happened? Why isn't Pinnock, you know, picking off balls and running down the sideline. Why aren't getting those hits? Why aren't we getting those takeaways recovery fumbles?

What happened?

They did it last year? I don't know if Frank I hear.

You, man, I got you. I appreciate the call, and I is it just hard to talk that way when your record is what it is in the last tew years. It's been a lot of losing. I'm trying to put myself in the player's spot here to try it up. I think Frank I understand what he's saying. I get his point. I want to look to the player to see if you can give me some you know, insight into what the locker room's like.

I mean, it gets repetitive. It's like you're saying the same thing week in and week out, you know, the act similar questions every week. And that's some of the you know, the beat writers are asking, like you said that answer last week, you said that answer before? Is it just that? Is it more than that?

You know?

But like I said before, I've been in situations like this, and you're just trying to figure out, Am I doing everything that I can to help this team out? Am I practicing as hard I practice? Did I make the place today? Was I execute correctly? That I have the right energy today? You start you have to look inward and question yourself. You have to, and I think most of the guys are doing that, especially when you hear from the defensive guys. They're t and they're pointing at themselves. They're trying to take accountability for But this is almost inexplainable.

You know.

I feel like the team, the Giants team, especially in beginning the season, that they were a lot better than that. I thought they were a lot better than you know, losing twenty nine to six against the Vikings to open up the season, and then you looked at today and it's like, I don't want to say they've regressed, but they don't look any better, that's for sure. You know, still missing tackles, still allowing big plays not execute on offense. And there's a lot of questions, but there's not too many answers. And I think everybody just trying to search for that answer right now, and look they got a short turnaround. They're going into Dallas, and Dallas has not played well, so they got to figure out a way to answer some questions when they go down to Dallas.

Talk about leadership on the offensive side of the ball. One of the veterans on this team is Darius Slayton. Darius Slayton spoke to the media after the game, was listening on his and what he had to.

Say that we can if people start doing their job.

But I mean it's like anything bro out there. You don't do what you're supposed to do, you get me and me collectively, you and.

Division Jarry's how much of it was a matter of you guys not doing your jobs versus them playing just playing better.

Yeah, they're a good football team.

It certainly doesn't mean that they're not a good football team.

But at the same time, like.

This is the National Football League, We're We're not this isn't you know, Tom Dick and James down the street.

We all drafted.

We were all the best Division on football players. So it's not like they got divisioning one players. We got Division five players. We got capable players that don't play like they're capable, period, And that's why we lose.

That's why we go out there and get beat. Are you talking about player?

It's not doing their jobs.

It's like collective or selective.

It's everybody.

And when you get beat like this, it's no one person, two people, it's everybody. It's all twenty two people that play on offense and defense, special tenders.

It's everybody right there else can hear it?

House sicker years, very six long years in me though, And I do my best at the end of the day, like I turn out to be selfish.

I try to be a good teammate, but.

Like the hat something point and it's it's exhausted, and you just want to compete.

All my life, I just wanted to be playing football and competing with That's hasn't changed.

I don't know about all that. I just think that, you know, like I said, we just gotta do better.

Is it?

Is it hard?

When you I mean, they have to say a couple guy clearly.

Did he give you guys as did margin foot all weeks?

How did you accept that as Yeah, like I said, you they didn't play to day, so he had nothing to do with what we just put down there on the field.

You know, at the end of the day, Like whatever happens off the field or any media or anything.

Has nothing to do with what we do between those white mounts.

So we have to be better there.

More so than anything.

This is what I'm still do.

Yeah, I mean as our coach and ride behind him this weekend, try to get him.

Any doubt there's Do you think the problem is mental mistakes or is it physical combination?

What do you think it is?

It's a combination for sure.

Right now we're obviously not doing anything things well physically, but some of our mistakes are definitely just mental as well.

Do you think that they're compounding on people? In other words, you know, somebody gets beaten, it's like, oh god, it's gonna happen again. Where versus forgetting about it?

Uh, that's kind of an individual basis, but I mean, I think it's it's the overall concept of like, you can't everybody can't have a my bad, you know, because if you have one, he has when he has one, Now there's sixty my bads in a game, you know, so got to do your best to try to not contribute to.

That is sort of hard to think, Like, you know, where do you guys go from here. Considering like obviously the bye week was an important time. Do you get guys to reset and even a lot of time off, you guys couldn't come out and form. Well, Now you have a short week on Thanksgiving. I mean, is it does make things I don't know. I don't mean to be harsh, but does it make things feel kind of hopeless.

In a sense?

Yeah?

I mean the only good thing about a short week is that you don't have a lot of time to dwell in this so reality is really tomorrow. You have to get onto Dallas and flush it. So in some ways, it's kind of better that it is a short week because.

We don't have as much time to sit around any you know, be depressed.

That's Darius Slayton talked about how too many guys have my bads. Tommy did Youdo talked about too many guys having mistakes on individual plays and little things that short circuit plays.

And he is Paul, one of the veterans on the offensive side of the ball.

And that's really the point that I wanted to make John, because if you talk to anyone who knows the guys in this locker room, and you said, Okay, give me some of the guys who are pros pros. Slayton is one of those guys at the top of the list. Dexter Lawrence is one of the guys at the.

Top of the list.

Now it's fairness, though you're right about being a pro. Slane has his number of my bads this year too, at Drops. He has a platform. Oh I think I've got him for seven, to be honest, which is not a great number. But in terms of mentality, leadership, absolutely work, ethic, desire, effort, pros pro I'm not talking production necessarily totally get it.

And and you've just.

Heard now on this program, and I would put Jimmy and Luminor in that ruguy Put absolutely wrote in that group.

Andrew Thomas run group too.

Okay.

I mean, these guys are exemplary pros pros. And you're hearing from all those guys who are furious as heck right now about what's going on. And I think, actually, if there's any silver lining, that's a good sign, because you want those guys to be angry, because if those guys aren't angry and they're apathetic about it, you've got a big problem. But those guys, the guys you're looking up to, the guys. You want the other players in the locker room to say, hey, we need to follow their lead. Those guys are putting it out there. They're saying, come on, follow the pipe piper.

We are stinking aft off. Right, let's go.

That's That's about the only good thing I can say about the folks who are going to attack this locker room. Don't think that the giant locker room is splintered. Don't think that it is broken, because those guys are doing exactly what they should do. They feel as they should feel, and they're making sure their teammates understand and know about it.

All right, let's go back to the calls here eight and eight eight oh eight, one zero one nine.

Let's go to Joe in Westchester. He's up next.

Hey Joe, Hey, guys, you.

Know I was watching the obviously the TV broadcast, and you know they mentioned Daniel Jones a couple of times, two times. But as you mentioned earlier, you know, it's not all about the quarterback. The question that was begging to be asked on TV was what do you think Daniel Jones is thinking right now watching this game?

Oh?

What do you think?

Well, honestly, I'm sorry I'm interrupting all that, Paul answer too, but I think I bet you Daniel watch this game and he's devastated that a bunch of his friends and teammates had a poor game.

To be honest with you, I could not agree with.

You more because he knows what it's like to go through that, and now he had to sit home and watch it.

Thank you. You know what, it might have been even worse for him to have to sit in front of a TV and see that and not be able to do anything.

He likes Tommy DeVito, he doesn't want to see him get his no question and absolutely no this this this was hard for everybody.

Daniel Jones a warrior, you know, no matter what anybody else thinks of him. And I talked about this pre game too. You can't take away his toughness. It's very difficult to win games in NFL. It's very difficult to play quarterback for a New York football team. Well, he's done it for six years and got his criticism throughout the way, and he took.

It on a chin.

That's the frustrating thing about Daniel Jones, right, He checked every box like such a a dude, toughness, leadership, teammates.

You see it here.

His teammates talk about him just between the lines when the balls in his hands. He wasn't good enough level and that's why the change had to be made when it was you know, we went through that three game stretcher in the year where it looked like he might have been turning a corner.

You had the game against Seattle.

You would those three you know, three games in a row where he had two touchdown passes and no interceptions and you're like, all right, well maybe something to turn around here. And it fell off again after that, so they had to make the change. And but you knew and again we talked about this when we did our little self scout thor the bye leak. Right, this team had so many issues that was just beyond the quarterback not being consistent.

I will tell you one thing that I know he probably felt as he was watching this when late in the fourth quarter Tommy DeVito got rocked and had to come out of the game. Right, I'm gonna tell you right now, Daniel's probably screaming at the TV. Get up, Get up, Get up. I hope he gets back in there, and when de Vito came back in the game for the last drive, I was I thought that was significant because Tommy DeVito is Jersey tough and he's not gonna let those people knock him out of the game no matter how bad the score was.

He was kind of like, you know, Jake Lamona, you didn't get me down, y, you didn't get me down. He went back out there for the fifteenth round.

All right.

I wanna go to Wilson in Roxbury, but he wants to talk about DJ two before we say goodbye DJ.

What's Wilson? What's going on?

Hey, Johnny, it's up.

What's up?

Wilson? How you doing?

Rather listen, I'm.

Gonna tell you something to real quick. Pully. If Marry men, I don't excuse this you have for this team, this coach, this general manager, they wouldn't be any divorces, man. I mean, if you asked me to tell people that this team plays hard for this head coach and that they in the locker room, it is not divided. You are lying to every Giants fans.

Wilson, Wilson, Wilson, The locker room is not divided. It's not.

Have you not listened to the actual audio that was played for you. That stuff was not Ai, the stuff with Jack and.

A microphone police this team, this team had two weeks to prepare what what what happens now? There's not enough mirrors and New Jersey for them to look at Desesson the mirror there. This is not enough film in Hollywood for Brian Daviell to look at the film. And and and if you tell me that this guy is a good head coach, you're actually insulted every Giants fans intelligence. And I'm sorry, I'm upset because this.

Is crazy already.

It's not Daniel Jones, right, I mean, last time I checked, you didn't play today right.

Now, Wilson. Look, Wilson, appreciate the call. You've very right to be upset. The product has not been good. We totally get where you're coming from on that. But every player in the locker room was asked during their interviews today whether or not the locker room is broken up, whether or not the effort is poor, And to a man, they've all said no. And usually to be honest with you, when you get to this point in the year and you have veteran leaders on the team and the effort's poor, one of those veteran leaders will come out and say publicly the effort.

Is poor, or at least hit you with some I don't know career, yes, yeah, or leave it up the chance.

But everyone has been pretty sure to say like no, like we're still practicing hard.

Now does that matter in the end?

And you know it's all about results, right, But these guys are the leaders of the defense, are being asked outright.

Are you guys still working hard? And the practicing hard? Is the attitude good?

Are you?

Are you playing hard for the coaching?

Everyone is saying yes, so I have to take their word for it, even though the performance in the execution, especially in this game, has been very and a number.

Of players quickly came to the coach's defense by saying, we're the one out there, not the coaches. I don't know how many of the guys actually made it to the audio of a prost game show dexter Dave Brian Burns did for several guys. Several guys went out of their way to say, Hey, we're the ones out there. The coaches aren't out there playing. They didn't miss the tackles all.

Right, let's take a time out. We'll come back. We're wrap things.

I'll look ahead to Thursday night's game or Thursday afternoons game on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys. On Giants Extra Point, Giants fall to the Bucks thirty to seven.

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Back here on Giants Extra Point, Giants lose to the Bucks thirty to seven. They fall to two and nine. Let's go to Harvey and Dix Hills. He's our final caller today on Giants Extra Point.

I Harve, Hi, how are you all?

I learned from you? So I got two points if you wouldn't mind? What what do you mean by port tackling when I obviously a different level. We were taught to low and to read and react, and in the pros at least seems my impression that they're more interested in takeaways as they are in tackling, and they seem to be involved in a lot of solo tackles when there should be maybe two or three people or gang what we used to call gang tackling.

And Harvey, I will let Jonathan you see his answered that question for a standby and we'll get to your second question.

Jac answer to.

Thank you, Yeah, Harvey, I say this every week, especially before the game. You have to gang tackle guys population to the football.

That I agree with.

It helps you secure the tackle, but then it also creates opportunities for takeaways as well. And giants have a good job at neither one of those.

All right, what's your second question?

Harfin the other way?

But you know Daniel Jones, we know was released, and I don't want to go through all the things, the negative things, you know, POI accuracy, missing receivers, can't throw, doesn't throw downfield, et cetera, et cetera. But I was a little surprised that the veto was chosen over Drew Locke in terms of the order of quarterbacks. What's your impression of that? What are the what's your impression of all three of those quarterbacks? Do they did the veto and Drew lock off for more than Jones did?

Well, you have to understand that, right, now, with only a one year contract for Locke, he's likely not to come back at the end of the season. Jones is already gone. DeVito at least as a restricted free agent, you've got the right to put out a tender offer for right a first refusal for him, which means, realistically speaking, he may be the only quarterback that you'll have on your roster going into free agency.

And that's the future part of it.

The present part of it is that they did win games of him last year, and he has more experience than the offensive lock correct, and even.

Locke set himself. Look, I had a cameo during the preseason.

I got hurt.

He's he's been working this system for two years. I had very little game tape to show anybody.

Now, if this continues, they don't score points, we might see you lock. Because it's over. We thought we've got not impossible. We also got it for one play today because Tommy got banged up and he almos said, they get taken out of the game.

And this is a short week too, so just to keep in mind there, all.

Right, guys, a couple of days left here, three days now until the Giants travel to Dallas to play the Cowboys on thanks Giving. The Cowboys have been a very poor team this year. They're not a very good football team. They did figure out a way to beat the Commanders today by some miracle in Washington.

Everyone's very surprised.

By that, especially with the wild way that game ended with Onzie kick returns, kickoff returns, eighty yard passes with less than a minute to go, just a wild finish.

Paul, give me your thoughts here.

How did the Giants get this fixed in three a's against a team frankly that as bad as the Giants had been playing this shore, I thought the Giants have been playing better than Dallas up until this week. Now that's flopped, obviously, But your thoughts on the matchup against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, Yeah, I.

Agree with your comment.

I thought the Giants had in general played better than Dallas until this weekend's games.

Look, I go back to what I just saw today, right.

I saw the Giants first four possessions as they were down twenty three to nothing by the time they got the ball at the very end of the first half to do a kneel down.

I saw that, and I said, are you kidding me?

That?

To me that slow start like they.

Were literally crawling in the mud and getting sucked in by quicksand that that's no way to start a game.

You do that against Dallas, you're gonna get whacked in Dallas too. Well. Not the way the Cowboys offens.

Well at home.

Yeah, but you can't play that way against another NFL team. That's just not acceptable.

So my thinking is this, My thinking is this, on that first drive, make sure you get some points on the first drive.

Get that monkey off your back right away. You should be able to.

Run the ball against the Cowboys defense that has not stopped to run. I'm tired of saying that they should be able to because.

That was here a couple of months ago, when when Dallas came here, it was the worst defensive Russian team in the league.

How about today, the Bucks of one of the worst passing defensive teams in the league. Didn't work out today at all either.

So you're right, yeah, but you know not we always laugh good start, good start, Well, you know what, boy, does this team.

Desperately need a good necessity for this team jac your thoughts on the game on Thursday.

That's it.

I mean, the Giants got to put this one to bed. I mean, this is a rough one and you can hear by every single guy that was interviewed. Do you hear the frustration in everybody's voice. They take that home. Hopefully they can get rid of it and come back to work tomorrow, because it's a quick turnaround. When you got those Thursdays, I never like those Thursday games just because of it. But the Giants now played the second Thursday game of the year. Quick turnaround this week thanksgiving a lot of distractions. Hopefully the Giants can figure out a way to kind of you know, be you know, have their blinders on and focus on Dallas because Dallas is not good at home. But that doesn't mean they can't be better than the Giants and win against the Giants. If the Giants don't come correct to play Dallas this.

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