It's now officially open. This is Draft season.

It's now officially open. This is Draft season.

John Shplt Tony Pauline with you. The NFL regular season is over. Welcome to Draft Season, brought to you by Moody's, a proud partner of the New York Giants. Decode Risk, Unlock Opportunity. Learn Moore at moodies dot com and joining us today is the man who runs the show down at the Shrine Bowl, the one and only friend of the program, Eric Galco.

John Shplt Tony Pauline with you. The NFL regular season is over. Welcome to Draft Season, brought to you by Moody's, a proud partner of the New York Giants. Decode Risk, Unlock Opportunity. Learn Moore at moodies dot com and joining us today is the man who runs the show down at the Shrine Bowl, the one and only friend of the program, Eric Galco.

Eric, thanks for being with us today. Man, How are you?

Eric, thanks for being with us today. Man, How are you?

I'm doing great? Guys? How are you guys doing?

I'm doing great? Guys? How are you guys doing?

We're great?

We're great?

So let's start here, second year of the process where you don't have to be a senior, right, anybody can go play in these games. How has it been trying to get commitments? We're still on the zone here now. This is gonna air on Wednesday this week. We're recording on Monday. Guys can still kind of dip their fee in the water and pull out with commitments.

So let's start here, second year of the process where you don't have to be a senior, right, anybody can go play in these games. How has it been trying to get commitments? We're still on the zone here now. This is gonna air on Wednesday this week. We're recording on Monday. Guys can still kind of dip their fee in the water and pull out with commitments.

And stuff like that. How was the process gone this year for you?

And stuff like that. How was the process gone this year for you?

No, it's awesome. I think I said last we talking about this, and I've told the NFL League office this and agents. Is that the benefit of this rule It's not just so All Star Games can have juniors, but that juniors and their agents and their teams can get more information. Right, if a junior is like, hey, you know what, you know our staff and our scouting team, other All Star games and their scouting team, NFL feedback is not saying this guy should be invited, or more importantly, we can kind of convey the information as to why they've not been invited. They can really help underclass to make decisions. So I'm trying to be as big of a player radvoc as I can be and giving players information to advocate for them to make sure they know what they're getting into if they come out for the draft has been awesome. So we've got a bunch of juniors that'll be at the trin And Bowl this year. I'm sure they've All Star Games will as well. And it's been great to kind of give information back.

No, it's awesome. I think I said last we talking about this, and I've told the NFL League office this and agents. Is that the benefit of this rule It's not just so All Star Games can have juniors, but that juniors and their agents and their teams can get more information. Right, if a junior is like, hey, you know what, you know our staff and our scouting team, other All Star games and their scouting team, NFL feedback is not saying this guy should be invited, or more importantly, we can kind of convey the information as to why they've not been invited. They can really help underclass to make decisions. So I'm trying to be as big of a player radvoc as I can be and giving players information to advocate for them to make sure they know what they're getting into if they come out for the draft has been awesome. So we've got a bunch of juniors that'll be at the trin And Bowl this year. I'm sure they've All Star Games will as well. And it's been great to kind of give information back.

And how about the class in general? A lot of people talking about this being an extremely deep class. Eric Beans again, all the COVID year guys that all got the bonus year and all that stuff, they're in the class this year. Have you found this has been a much deeper pool of talent to choose from when you're trying to get guys that commit to your game.

And how about the class in general? A lot of people talking about this being an extremely deep class. Eric Beans again, all the COVID year guys that all got the bonus year and all that stuff, they're in the class this year. Have you found this has been a much deeper pool of talent to choose from when you're trying to get guys that commit to your game.

Yeah, I think it's been at some positions, for sure. I think some spots are a little bit leaner. And again, for every time we have a COVID guy, we have guys that can get a surprising year of villige ability or now thanks to Diego Pave, a lot of guys can go back because of that. So we'll always find way to get guys who back to school, which is great. These guys having options, you know, we forget so quickly. Seven years ago, guys were declaring for the draft because of a money need, and now that's not long in the case, which is awesome. So it creates a lot of headaches for people like myself in the All Star Games space and NFL teams, but it's worth a headache to have these guys have options. But I would say overall, it's definitely deeper than last year. I think more so. When I think of deeper, I don't think of number of draftable players because that differs team the team, and that's subjective. I think there's more guys NFL teams would love to have in their camp, and that's kind of makes it challenging for us to figure out who are the best twenty fifty five guys in this draft class? Is really difficult because there may be last year they may have been three or fifty guys to choose from. This year, there's five hundred guys to choose from to fill those two fifty five spotsay.

Yeah, I think it's been at some positions, for sure. I think some spots are a little bit leaner. And again, for every time we have a COVID guy, we have guys that can get a surprising year of villige ability or now thanks to Diego Pave, a lot of guys can go back because of that. So we'll always find way to get guys who back to school, which is great. These guys having options, you know, we forget so quickly. Seven years ago, guys were declaring for the draft because of a money need, and now that's not long in the case, which is awesome. So it creates a lot of headaches for people like myself in the All Star Games space and NFL teams, but it's worth a headache to have these guys have options. But I would say overall, it's definitely deeper than last year. I think more so. When I think of deeper, I don't think of number of draftable players because that differs team the team, and that's subjective. I think there's more guys NFL teams would love to have in their camp, and that's kind of makes it challenging for us to figure out who are the best twenty fifty five guys in this draft class? Is really difficult because there may be last year they may have been three or fifty guys to choose from. This year, there's five hundred guys to choose from to fill those two fifty five spotsay.

Tony mc grek, Let's talk about the quarterbacks. You know, I go back to the days when players like David Carr and Joey Harrington played in the Shrine Bowl. You got probably the top quarterback in the class this year, ainshad Door Sanders. That's going to be at your game. Why don't you talk a little bit about that.

Tony mc grek, Let's talk about the quarterbacks. You know, I go back to the days when players like David Carr and Joey Harrington played in the Shrine Bowl. You got probably the top quarterback in the class this year, ainshad Door Sanders. That's going to be at your game. Why don't you talk a little bit about that.

He's a good player. He's a good player. We're hoping he's the first first overall pick quarterback from the Shrine Bowls since John Elway. I think that's my history is right there. But he's a he had an incredible college career, and I think a couple of things on shure that people maybe don't know. People know the player on the field in the talent I think a little bit. Number one, he is incredibly selfless. I got you to spend some time at Colorado and with him a little bit with the coaching staff, and to see him on the practice field. I think every GM and scout that's been there sees how he works with his receivers, works his backup quarterback, how he prepares when he's on the field and off the field. I think is really underappreciated about him. I think his loyalty and confidence with his team is great. Big reason why he was really excited to come to the Shrine bul is that he's got other teammates going to be there as well. Right, he really is about family and about teammates, which a lot of guys say. I think Shudder has done and shown right stay in school a year ago, played in the bowl game, coming to the Trianble with his teammates, I think it's really says a lot about him. And I think if you're a team looking for a franchise quarterback, we can debate the on field stuff and that's all subjective, but you can't question his toughness. You can't question as loyalty, you can't question how the fact that he leads his teammates and now he's done to his entire college career, he's okay with being uncomfortable Jackson State dealing with pressure early on at Colorado. Like maybe you know he's been very public as he's been a well known person for four years. But again he's someone that is beloved by his teammates there and his coaches, not just his dad, but also the entire coaching staff. I think people are going to really fall in love with him the more they get to meet him in the draft press starting at the Trinable.

He's a good player. He's a good player. We're hoping he's the first first overall pick quarterback from the Shrine Bowls since John Elway. I think that's my history is right there. But he's a he had an incredible college career, and I think a couple of things on shure that people maybe don't know. People know the player on the field in the talent I think a little bit. Number one, he is incredibly selfless. I got you to spend some time at Colorado and with him a little bit with the coaching staff, and to see him on the practice field. I think every GM and scout that's been there sees how he works with his receivers, works his backup quarterback, how he prepares when he's on the field and off the field. I think is really underappreciated about him. I think his loyalty and confidence with his team is great. Big reason why he was really excited to come to the Shrine bul is that he's got other teammates going to be there as well. Right, he really is about family and about teammates, which a lot of guys say. I think Shudder has done and shown right stay in school a year ago, played in the bowl game, coming to the Trianble with his teammates, I think it's really says a lot about him. And I think if you're a team looking for a franchise quarterback, we can debate the on field stuff and that's all subjective, but you can't question his toughness. You can't question as loyalty, you can't question how the fact that he leads his teammates and now he's done to his entire college career, he's okay with being uncomfortable Jackson State dealing with pressure early on at Colorado. Like maybe you know he's been very public as he's been a well known person for four years. But again he's someone that is beloved by his teammates there and his coaches, not just his dad, but also the entire coaching staff. I think people are going to really fall in love with him the more they get to meet him in the draft press starting at the Trinable.

Now, I'm curious, and you kind of answered this already, Aric, but I want to dig into it a little bit deeper because I think there are some people because he's Dion's Sun and everything that goes along with that. Think you know, there might be a lot of outside noise that goes along with drafting Shad or Sanders, right, everything that comes along with that. And I know you already addressed some of this, but just dealing with him and his dad in this process they get them to commit and you know, including them and figuring out the participation in the game. How has that process dealing with them been like for you to get them to your game and working with them to have them at.

Now, I'm curious, and you kind of answered this already, Aric, but I want to dig into it a little bit deeper because I think there are some people because he's Dion's Sun and everything that goes along with that. Think you know, there might be a lot of outside noise that goes along with drafting Shad or Sanders, right, everything that comes along with that. And I know you already addressed some of this, but just dealing with him and his dad in this process they get them to commit and you know, including them and figuring out the participation in the game. How has that process dealing with them been like for you to get them to your game and working with them to have them at.

Your game, It's been awesome because it's not like it was a recruitment or anything either. I think they are. Again, I know there's such a public family that it's very easy to be like, oh, I think I know who they are. And again, I've gone a chance to deal with coach Sanders since even before the Shrine Bowl, and I've always seen him as somebody who really cares about his players and really cares about what matters. And it's very thoughtful and very critical. And it was a discussion. That discussion said yep, he's gonna go, and we're gonna be there and we're going to practice the Shrine Bowl. And they weighed the pros and cons. It wasn't a recruitment, it wasn't a persuasion. It was a here's the details, what do we think? And I think they're again also credit to Shader, very pragmatic, very thoughtful, which I think is really rare for quarterbacks coming into the league. And you talk about, you know, his dad being almost you know, sometimes a negative like we forget that, like, hey, Steph Curry is great because his dad was del Curry had played in the league for a long time, like he learned all these shortcuts before he got to the league. And same thing for Shadur. He's gonna walk in day one. He's going to have his dad in a huge role attack as well as seeing it up close. Hey, how should I handle teammates? Hey, I'm not playing with what should I do? A lot of young quarterbacks we're seeing guys this year, like Caleb had to figure that out a little bit, and Dre May navigating being a backup like Shadur can not only have seen it with his dad, but all who ask people in the NFL that he saw his dad play with so I got I think the benefit of his dad being in the NFL was almost underappreciated because of who his dad is. But Chare's going to walk in with a huge advantage over anybody else in this draft left because of his dad's experiences and how he's learned from them.

Your game, It's been awesome because it's not like it was a recruitment or anything either. I think they are. Again, I know there's such a public family that it's very easy to be like, oh, I think I know who they are. And again, I've gone a chance to deal with coach Sanders since even before the Shrine Bowl, and I've always seen him as somebody who really cares about his players and really cares about what matters. And it's very thoughtful and very critical. And it was a discussion. That discussion said yep, he's gonna go, and we're gonna be there and we're going to practice the Shrine Bowl. And they weighed the pros and cons. It wasn't a recruitment, it wasn't a persuasion. It was a here's the details, what do we think? And I think they're again also credit to Shader, very pragmatic, very thoughtful, which I think is really rare for quarterbacks coming into the league. And you talk about, you know, his dad being almost you know, sometimes a negative like we forget that, like, hey, Steph Curry is great because his dad was del Curry had played in the league for a long time, like he learned all these shortcuts before he got to the league. And same thing for Shadur. He's gonna walk in day one. He's going to have his dad in a huge role attack as well as seeing it up close. Hey, how should I handle teammates? Hey, I'm not playing with what should I do? A lot of young quarterbacks we're seeing guys this year, like Caleb had to figure that out a little bit, and Dre May navigating being a backup like Shadur can not only have seen it with his dad, but all who ask people in the NFL that he saw his dad play with so I got I think the benefit of his dad being in the NFL was almost underappreciated because of who his dad is. But Chare's going to walk in with a huge advantage over anybody else in this draft left because of his dad's experiences and how he's learned from them.

You know, everyone's gonna be talking about Shador Sanders, but one quarterback I'm really excited to see play at the shrineballs Kyle McCord. Yeah, who's coming off a tremendous year at Syracuse. I mean, he struggled at twenty twenty three at Ohio State and watched all those games, but he really you know, He's got a lot of momentum going in his direction after a terrific season with the Orange, and it's just some incredible production.

You know, everyone's gonna be talking about Shador Sanders, but one quarterback I'm really excited to see play at the shrineballs Kyle McCord. Yeah, who's coming off a tremendous year at Syracuse. I mean, he struggled at twenty twenty three at Ohio State and watched all those games, but he really you know, He's got a lot of momentum going in his direction after a terrific season with the Orange, and it's just some incredible production.

Yeah, I don't know who is going to be in this draft class entirely, yet a lot of guys still make a decisions under classmen et cetera too. But you know there's a scenario where Kyle is a discussion to be third fourth quarterback off the board. I mean, that's how teams really view him right now. Part that's because the classes not have Cayleb Williams, Drake May, Jade and Daniels in his class, but also because that he's got all the physical traits you'd want. And again, similar to what I've learned, especially in this job and seeing which guys have success and which guys maybe be struggle in the NFL, the guys who have been through adversity in college, real adversity, Guys like brock Perty whose worst college season was his senior season and he really struggled and he able to learn from that and get better. Like those guys, Kyle has already been through getting bench getting cut in the NFL right or traded in the NFL, like he's already been through that mental process and came out the other side clean and really successful at Syracuse and had a tough game early in the year against pitt and bounced back in a great way and beat Miami when accounted and they were down twenty one to nothing in that game at halftime. I think it was right. So like, he's already shown so much resilience. That's one of the most important traits in a quarterback. His teammates love him at SIRA because again, all the off field stuff really does matter when you're Kyle mccorden. Have the athletic ability, the mobility, the downfield touch, the ability to make play from the pocket, the ability to be a gun slinger and be aggressive, which he definitely is. Again, I'm a big calm of Court fan. We invited him early. I think I wanted the entire season. I believed in the first couple of games at Syracuse. But I think to your point, Tony, people maybe not talk about him in the right light right now, is that I think there's a really a world where teams say, hey, you know what we're going to go. You know, we might take Travis Hunter at one, two or three, and maybe Kyle's our guy in round two, and hey, a year ago at this time, Tony, you know as well as I do, people weren't sure Bone Knicks or Michael Pennox were first round picks. Some people thought they might be, but they didn't. And this year we've got two consensus quarterbacks, a couple other good ones, and we'll see who else rise in the process.

Yeah, I don't know who is going to be in this draft class entirely, yet a lot of guys still make a decisions under classmen et cetera too. But you know there's a scenario where Kyle is a discussion to be third fourth quarterback off the board. I mean, that's how teams really view him right now. Part that's because the classes not have Cayleb Williams, Drake May, Jade and Daniels in his class, but also because that he's got all the physical traits you'd want. And again, similar to what I've learned, especially in this job and seeing which guys have success and which guys maybe be struggle in the NFL, the guys who have been through adversity in college, real adversity, Guys like brock Perty whose worst college season was his senior season and he really struggled and he able to learn from that and get better. Like those guys, Kyle has already been through getting bench getting cut in the NFL right or traded in the NFL, like he's already been through that mental process and came out the other side clean and really successful at Syracuse and had a tough game early in the year against pitt and bounced back in a great way and beat Miami when accounted and they were down twenty one to nothing in that game at halftime. I think it was right. So like, he's already shown so much resilience. That's one of the most important traits in a quarterback. His teammates love him at SIRA because again, all the off field stuff really does matter when you're Kyle mccorden. Have the athletic ability, the mobility, the downfield touch, the ability to make play from the pocket, the ability to be a gun slinger and be aggressive, which he definitely is. Again, I'm a big calm of Court fan. We invited him early. I think I wanted the entire season. I believed in the first couple of games at Syracuse. But I think to your point, Tony, people maybe not talk about him in the right light right now, is that I think there's a really a world where teams say, hey, you know what we're going to go. You know, we might take Travis Hunter at one, two or three, and maybe Kyle's our guy in round two, and hey, a year ago at this time, Tony, you know as well as I do, people weren't sure Bone Knicks or Michael Pennox were first round picks. Some people thought they might be, but they didn't. And this year we've got two consensus quarterbacks, a couple other good ones, and we'll see who else rise in the process.

Yeah, I want to follow up on your quarterback point real quick, Eric, and then Antoni has two more quarterbacks he wants to touch on. How much consensus do you think there is on this year's quarterback class talking to people around the league.

Yeah, I want to follow up on your quarterback point real quick, Eric, and then Antoni has two more quarterbacks he wants to touch on. How much consensus do you think there is on this year's quarterback class talking to people around the league.

Do you feel like.

Do you feel like.

There's going to be very diverse opinions, not even just how they're stacked, but where they belong in terms of round and great and stuff like that. Do you find that there's a consensus on this group of quarterbacks? Do you find it's very diverse going from team to team, from evaluator to evaluator.

There's going to be very diverse opinions, not even just how they're stacked, but where they belong in terms of round and great and stuff like that. Do you find that there's a consensus on this group of quarterbacks? Do you find it's very diverse going from team to team, from evaluator to evaluator.

It feels like the tiers are a little bit developed and you can kind of jump up a tier, but it feels like, hey, Cam and schaudor are kind of in one tier together, right, and then maybe other guys that maybe in this class joined them as well too. But then the real question is I think going into this process without these teams haven't talked to these quarterbacks and really head coaches being involved in a big way, which what happened to Sean Payton and bow Nicks where I got involved was like, Wow, this guy checks a lot of boxes. I like, like, that hasn't really happened yet. And I think also there's not Last year there was three guys that were going to go one two three or one two four whatever else, and teams like Jajon McCarthy coming in the process and then Bo and Michael Pennix rose in the process. Right like this year, we don't have four or five guys in that mix right now to NFL teams, but more than two teams. The quarterbacks in this draft class pretty bad. And that's what I'm excited about seeing is that there's a lot of tears, but I will see we will see one or two guys, and McCord being one of those guys and kind of that below Cam and Schador Tier that if he jumped up wouldn't be shocking. Really. I know it's crazy to sound like right now, but but when you have all the physical traits, and you've overcome adversus like he has, and you've got the talent. More than two teams eat quarterbacks. I would say the over runner is probably three and a half on quarterbacks in this first round this year. And I'm not sure who number three and umber four are.

It feels like the tiers are a little bit developed and you can kind of jump up a tier, but it feels like, hey, Cam and schaudor are kind of in one tier together, right, and then maybe other guys that maybe in this class joined them as well too. But then the real question is I think going into this process without these teams haven't talked to these quarterbacks and really head coaches being involved in a big way, which what happened to Sean Payton and bow Nicks where I got involved was like, Wow, this guy checks a lot of boxes. I like, like, that hasn't really happened yet. And I think also there's not Last year there was three guys that were going to go one two three or one two four whatever else, and teams like Jajon McCarthy coming in the process and then Bo and Michael Pennix rose in the process. Right like this year, we don't have four or five guys in that mix right now to NFL teams, but more than two teams. The quarterbacks in this draft class pretty bad. And that's what I'm excited about seeing is that there's a lot of tears, but I will see we will see one or two guys, and McCord being one of those guys and kind of that below Cam and Schador Tier that if he jumped up wouldn't be shocking. Really. I know it's crazy to sound like right now, but but when you have all the physical traits, and you've overcome adversus like he has, and you've got the talent. More than two teams eat quarterbacks. I would say the over runner is probably three and a half on quarterbacks in this first round this year. And I'm not sure who number three and umber four are.

You know one guy we won't be seeing at least on the field. And I'm a bit disappointed. Who had a great year, which Curtis Charker of Indiana, I mean, really helped lead that team comes out. He's got he played with a torn torn knee ligament. And you also have Mark Gronkowski on the roster. Is Gronkowski going to participate? Has there been any final decision made yet?

You know one guy we won't be seeing at least on the field. And I'm a bit disappointed. Who had a great year, which Curtis Charker of Indiana, I mean, really helped lead that team comes out. He's got he played with a torn torn knee ligament. And you also have Mark Gronkowski on the roster. Is Gronkowski going to participate? Has there been any final decision made yet?

You know, I'll start with Gronowski. I don't know as of just taping right when this comes down on Wednesday, maybe we know more. Mark's a great player and he's won a heck of a lot of games. In South Goota State, we've been a big fan of Mark for a long time. One of his good friends is Mabson McCormick. When the Trim Bowl year goes, we've bought about Mark for the last thirteen fourteen months, I think if he's in this year's draft class, he's a slam dunk draft pick and a guy teams will say, hey, this guy can, at worse be a great backup for us and has all the traits that develop into more. But the benefit of NIL now is you can go to school, go back to school and do well financially, but also you know, maybe do one or two more things and get better too. So Mark, I talked to Mark about this, and I've given my opinion. I want what's best for him. He'll be at the Trin Bowl next year if not this year, right so, but I think he has a lot of decisions to make here soon too. But he's he's a heck of a player, and I think he'll be a great NFL player this year, on next year, and then on Curtis Rourke. Huge disappointment, abutment. I talked to his agent and Curtis the night before kind of the news broke, and really tough what he's kind of going through now, and expectations he'll be ready to go for training camp. So any team drafting him, hey, he may miss Mini camp, but he'll be good to go when they get there in July. Which is most important. And you know, I think Curtis had a really good chance to be kind of in that like, could he jump some tears up? A lot of similarities to Aidan O'Connell as a player, but the fact that he played the full season with the torn needland as you mentioned, and didn't really realize it or kind of played through it again shows the toughness, but also the fact that he was willing to play for his team despite all of that. And I think he has a really good chance to be drafted.

You know, I'll start with Gronowski. I don't know as of just taping right when this comes down on Wednesday, maybe we know more. Mark's a great player and he's won a heck of a lot of games. In South Goota State, we've been a big fan of Mark for a long time. One of his good friends is Mabson McCormick. When the Trim Bowl year goes, we've bought about Mark for the last thirteen fourteen months, I think if he's in this year's draft class, he's a slam dunk draft pick and a guy teams will say, hey, this guy can, at worse be a great backup for us and has all the traits that develop into more. But the benefit of NIL now is you can go to school, go back to school and do well financially, but also you know, maybe do one or two more things and get better too. So Mark, I talked to Mark about this, and I've given my opinion. I want what's best for him. He'll be at the Trin Bowl next year if not this year, right so, but I think he has a lot of decisions to make here soon too. But he's he's a heck of a player, and I think he'll be a great NFL player this year, on next year, and then on Curtis Rourke. Huge disappointment, abutment. I talked to his agent and Curtis the night before kind of the news broke, and really tough what he's kind of going through now, and expectations he'll be ready to go for training camp. So any team drafting him, hey, he may miss Mini camp, but he'll be good to go when they get there in July. Which is most important. And you know, I think Curtis had a really good chance to be kind of in that like, could he jump some tears up? A lot of similarities to Aidan O'Connell as a player, but the fact that he played the full season with the torn needland as you mentioned, and didn't really realize it or kind of played through it again shows the toughness, but also the fact that he was willing to play for his team despite all of that. And I think he has a really good chance to be drafted.

Still, there are downbacks. You know, you were deciding before the show began whether to put you Delaware head on, and I had Markis charms down because I wanted to speak about him and coming into this, coming into the across over the summer, you know, I looked at this guy, said, this guy is just a sensational third down back, situational ball carry, whatever you want to call him. I know he saw he struggled with some injuries this year. Is he fully healthy and what are you expecting from him in a couple of weeks?

Still, there are downbacks. You know, you were deciding before the show began whether to put you Delaware head on, and I had Markis charms down because I wanted to speak about him and coming into this, coming into the across over the summer, you know, I looked at this guy, said, this guy is just a sensational third down back, situational ball carry, whatever you want to call him. I know he saw he struggled with some injuries this year. Is he fully healthy and what are you expecting from him in a couple of weeks?

Yeah, fully healthy. And one of the challenges of being a guy at a smaller school like that is that he was a big part of the offense, so every team was still trying to kind of keep him under control during the season at Delaware, and of course the injuries kind of made a little bit difficult to be one hundred percent the whole week long. But I think you're absolutely right, Tony. He is viewed by NFL teams as one of the best pass catching running backs in this year's draft. Lass he's going to test hopefully in the fourth threes. Knock on wood that he can get there. They'll be at the combine. Of course, he's shown the ability to catch out of the backfield on swing routes. I think he can line up in the slot. We get the trinbal with well the show teams can be really versatile. But no doubt he's one of the best guys. And I will say as a Delaware alum, you know, I want to have a good process and talk with our staff, but I was really hoping we get the Marcus Yarns, And when he was our guy our staff approved, I was like, let's go. So heck of a player and we've got two blue ends on the office this year at Marcus has a great chance and I want to be a draft pick, but be one of those early contributors as a third down player in the NFL. In this rookie running back class, all.

Yeah, fully healthy. And one of the challenges of being a guy at a smaller school like that is that he was a big part of the offense, so every team was still trying to kind of keep him under control during the season at Delaware, and of course the injuries kind of made a little bit difficult to be one hundred percent the whole week long. But I think you're absolutely right, Tony. He is viewed by NFL teams as one of the best pass catching running backs in this year's draft. Lass he's going to test hopefully in the fourth threes. Knock on wood that he can get there. They'll be at the combine. Of course, he's shown the ability to catch out of the backfield on swing routes. I think he can line up in the slot. We get the trinbal with well the show teams can be really versatile. But no doubt he's one of the best guys. And I will say as a Delaware alum, you know, I want to have a good process and talk with our staff, but I was really hoping we get the Marcus Yarns, And when he was our guy our staff approved, I was like, let's go. So heck of a player and we've got two blue ends on the office this year at Marcus has a great chance and I want to be a draft pick, but be one of those early contributors as a third down player in the NFL. In this rookie running back class, all.

Right, I I was gonna say when I looked at the invitations accepted invitation so far, I looked at the receiver class and I said, Wow, this is one.

Right, I I was gonna say when I looked at the invitations accepted invitation so far, I looked at the receiver class and I said, Wow, this is one.

This is, in my opinion, probably the best position group at the Shrine ball. I mean, you guy, you got some outstanding players, uh you know, not top end of round one guys, but players that are going to be Day two, day three picks and make a roster. And I want to start with the Colorado guys because you talk about Colorado receivers. Everybody says Travis Hunter and they don't know about anyone else. But you got Jhontay Webster, who's the speechter. You got Will Sheppard, terrific possession receiver who came over from Vanderbilt. I mean he is a guy who just consistently wins out for the contested pass. Jimmy Horn a smaller guy but very quick, does a little bit of everything. Well. I mean, these three guys are legitimate next level talent that few people talk about because everyone's focused on Travis Hunter.

This is, in my opinion, probably the best position group at the Shrine ball. I mean, you guy, you got some outstanding players, uh you know, not top end of round one guys, but players that are going to be Day two, day three picks and make a roster. And I want to start with the Colorado guys because you talk about Colorado receivers. Everybody says Travis Hunter and they don't know about anyone else. But you got Jhontay Webster, who's the speechter. You got Will Sheppard, terrific possession receiver who came over from Vanderbilt. I mean he is a guy who just consistently wins out for the contested pass. Jimmy Horn a smaller guy but very quick, does a little bit of everything. Well. I mean, these three guys are legitimate next level talent that few people talk about because everyone's focused on Travis Hunter.

One hundred percent, and I think it's It's been one of the deepest receiver rooms in the country this year, and it's a credit to Dear kind of spreading the ball around. But I'll work backwards. Jimmy Horn Junior will challenge been one of the fast guys of the combine this year. I mean one of three or four guys who can absolutely crack four two. I think he has a good chance to do that. I know he pretested a training facility in the four threes. That's without enough training. He's already in the four to threes, So getting to four to us receivers pretty rare. Will Sheppard great position guy at Vanderbilt. I think he can play outside. He could play a big slot role. What he grew the most at Colorado. He is an outstanding run blocker and after the catch blocker as well too. So with Wester running these bubble screens or Jimmy Horn un reverses or having run back on the backfield, Shepherd's gonna be guy can block at a high level. And then Western is one of the most talented kind of individual matchup receivers this entire draft class out of the slot, and I think He's one of the hardest to tackle receivers in this class. I know teams with top hundred raids on him because they know, hey, this guy's in your offense. He's going to make so many guys miss on jet sweeps, on quick throws, on deeper vertical plays as well too. Not to mention that of that receiver of Colorado along with Travis, he was really the leader to You're getting galvanizing, big personality leader who can really make a lot of plays. I think all three of those guys, as well as Travis Hunter will be draft picks this year, and all of those guys should play well with the shrine Bol this year.

One hundred percent, and I think it's It's been one of the deepest receiver rooms in the country this year, and it's a credit to Dear kind of spreading the ball around. But I'll work backwards. Jimmy Horn Junior will challenge been one of the fast guys of the combine this year. I mean one of three or four guys who can absolutely crack four two. I think he has a good chance to do that. I know he pretested a training facility in the four threes. That's without enough training. He's already in the four to threes, So getting to four to us receivers pretty rare. Will Sheppard great position guy at Vanderbilt. I think he can play outside. He could play a big slot role. What he grew the most at Colorado. He is an outstanding run blocker and after the catch blocker as well too. So with Wester running these bubble screens or Jimmy Horn un reverses or having run back on the backfield, Shepherd's gonna be guy can block at a high level. And then Western is one of the most talented kind of individual matchup receivers this entire draft class out of the slot, and I think He's one of the hardest to tackle receivers in this class. I know teams with top hundred raids on him because they know, hey, this guy's in your offense. He's going to make so many guys miss on jet sweeps, on quick throws, on deeper vertical plays as well too. Not to mention that of that receiver of Colorado along with Travis, he was really the leader to You're getting galvanizing, big personality leader who can really make a lot of plays. I think all three of those guys, as well as Travis Hunter will be draft picks this year, and all of those guys should play well with the shrine Bol this year.

What you'd do or two receivers at Tony and I were very excited heading into the year are on your list Trey Harrison, Sam Brown that we thought could be really talented and have a chance to challenge to be high draft picks.

What you'd do or two receivers at Tony and I were very excited heading into the year are on your list Trey Harrison, Sam Brown that we thought could be really talented and have a chance to challenge to be high draft picks.

What have you seen from them on tape.

What have you seen from them on tape.

This year and what's the excitement love you gotten from teams and expectations for those two guys shrine Bol week.

This year and what's the excitement love you gotten from teams and expectations for those two guys shrine Bol week.

Yeah, Sam Brown had a slower start. He got he was a little hurt and had to navigate being a transfer at Miami and kind of Solick came on as the year went along, but Big Long really athletic. He's going to be an a special teams player for NFL teams and really really developed this year at Miami and being more of a complete outside guy in Miami, probably along with Colorado, two of the deepest receiver rooms in the country. I think Sam Brown alone as a special teams guy is a slam dung draft pick an NFL player. Betting the Shrine Bowlwick will show a lot more that he can play on the outside consistently and be a full time guy. I think he's not only a draft pick, but he might test his way into being a top three, top four round player. And who else you mentioned, I know Trey Harris. Trey Harris one of the better receivers in this year's raft class in my opinion. He's the vertical ability has been documented. He's got such great laid hands and finishing poll on the sidelines and the red zone, and I think he could be a complete downfield guy. He's in that test, but people maybe expect as well too. And I think he's a chance to be a starting level X or Z receiver in the NFL tomorrow. So you mentioned Tony may not be a first round pick. I would say Trey Harris is going to have a lot opportunity to be there in this raft process because he's so smart and well liked by NFL personnel coming in the process, and he's as safe a receiver as or is in this year's raft class.

Yeah, Sam Brown had a slower start. He got he was a little hurt and had to navigate being a transfer at Miami and kind of Solick came on as the year went along, but Big Long really athletic. He's going to be an a special teams player for NFL teams and really really developed this year at Miami and being more of a complete outside guy in Miami, probably along with Colorado, two of the deepest receiver rooms in the country. I think Sam Brown alone as a special teams guy is a slam dung draft pick an NFL player. Betting the Shrine Bowlwick will show a lot more that he can play on the outside consistently and be a full time guy. I think he's not only a draft pick, but he might test his way into being a top three, top four round player. And who else you mentioned, I know Trey Harris. Trey Harris one of the better receivers in this year's raft class in my opinion. He's the vertical ability has been documented. He's got such great laid hands and finishing poll on the sidelines and the red zone, and I think he could be a complete downfield guy. He's in that test, but people maybe expect as well too. And I think he's a chance to be a starting level X or Z receiver in the NFL tomorrow. So you mentioned Tony may not be a first round pick. I would say Trey Harris is going to have a lot opportunity to be there in this raft process because he's so smart and well liked by NFL personnel coming in the process, and he's as safe a receiver as or is in this year's raft class.

And he has good size too, by the way, which I know teams value too.

And he has good size too, by the way, which I know teams value too.

Final receiver I want to talk about, and a guy that I'm a static he's going to be at the shrineball, Nick Nash of San Jose State. I mean, the guy whose production was just off the charts, showed a lot of development in his game. Not the fastest guy, but someone who knows how to separate, someone who knows how to get open and catches everything that's thrown in his direction.

Final receiver I want to talk about, and a guy that I'm a static he's going to be at the shrineball, Nick Nash of San Jose State. I mean, the guy whose production was just off the charts, showed a lot of development in his game. Not the fastest guy, but someone who knows how to separate, someone who knows how to get open and catches everything that's thrown in his direction.

The Triple Crown winner. Yeah, production, it's hard to argue with. And I know some debate about that in terms of you know, as that matter. I think you know, every Bolittannikov finalist has been drafted by US two in the last twenty years. For what it's worth. When NFL teams are maybe can be locked in on trades sometimes when the guy produces that much in the way he's done it. To keep mind, he's a former quarterbacks. He's not like been playing receiver for you know, ten years. He's adjusted the position and within two or three years he led the country and receiving yards and receptions and touchdowns. So I think his his size is undeniable. They abible to win the red zones, really impressive. The ball skills are there, but I think people kind of lose track of little but is that he's still getting better as a receiver. He is not a maxed out six year player at receiver. He is still as sending as a talent. I think if and when he tests well at the NFL combine, he's going to go from being a fun, productive late round pick to a guy team for saying, well, why can't he be Phuku Nakuwa, Like why are we waiting on this guy? He's produced, he's big, he's strong, he's going to test pretty well, Like, okay, why is this guy not going much much earlier? Too? So I think despite him producing as much as he did, I thank people are still sleeping on Nick Nash. I'm glad you're not Tony. That's why you're one of the.

The Triple Crown winner. Yeah, production, it's hard to argue with. And I know some debate about that in terms of you know, as that matter. I think you know, every Bolittannikov finalist has been drafted by US two in the last twenty years. For what it's worth. When NFL teams are maybe can be locked in on trades sometimes when the guy produces that much in the way he's done it. To keep mind, he's a former quarterbacks. He's not like been playing receiver for you know, ten years. He's adjusted the position and within two or three years he led the country and receiving yards and receptions and touchdowns. So I think his his size is undeniable. They abible to win the red zones, really impressive. The ball skills are there, but I think people kind of lose track of little but is that he's still getting better as a receiver. He is not a maxed out six year player at receiver. He is still as sending as a talent. I think if and when he tests well at the NFL combine, he's going to go from being a fun, productive late round pick to a guy team for saying, well, why can't he be Phuku Nakuwa, Like why are we waiting on this guy? He's produced, he's big, he's strong, he's going to test pretty well, Like, okay, why is this guy not going much much earlier? Too? So I think despite him producing as much as he did, I thank people are still sleeping on Nick Nash. I'm glad you're not Tony. That's why you're one of the.

Best of his are you?

Best of his are you?

You talked about guys having options, right, I think one of those guys is tied to Eli Stowers, who seems to be contemplating a potential big and an IL deal from Vanderbilt. He's on your list. Do you have anything with the latest on him? Is he decides how he wants to navigate his NFL future?

You talked about guys having options, right, I think one of those guys is tied to Eli Stowers, who seems to be contemplating a potential big and an IL deal from Vanderbilt. He's on your list. Do you have anything with the latest on him? Is he decides how he wants to navigate his NFL future?

No news? I mean, hey, one thing's unsurprising is he's a smart guy right at Vanderbilt. He knows what he's doing and he wants to think by the process pretty close to as well to Eli was going to be I think a top Hunter pick this year if he comes out. He's one of the better athletes. He has a lot of similarities honestly to David Njoku. So I'm not sure what his ceiling is going to be too. But he's weighing a lot of things. I won't try all the detail, super he's weighing a lot of things that make a lot of sense. I think everyone knew kind of what I think if everyone knew what these guys were really thinking about from an ANIL perspective, not just dollars, but what's going on in their lives and other things are looking to do after football or during football makes a lot more sense to so Eli's a heck of a tied time. We love to have miser at the shrine Bolt, but I think he make decisions here pretty soon.

No news? I mean, hey, one thing's unsurprising is he's a smart guy right at Vanderbilt. He knows what he's doing and he wants to think by the process pretty close to as well to Eli was going to be I think a top Hunter pick this year if he comes out. He's one of the better athletes. He has a lot of similarities honestly to David Njoku. So I'm not sure what his ceiling is going to be too. But he's weighing a lot of things. I won't try all the detail, super he's weighing a lot of things that make a lot of sense. I think everyone knew kind of what I think if everyone knew what these guys were really thinking about from an ANIL perspective, not just dollars, but what's going on in their lives and other things are looking to do after football or during football makes a lot more sense to so Eli's a heck of a tied time. We love to have miser at the shrine Bolt, but I think he make decisions here pretty soon.

Two tight ends that we're going to see, both coming off of injury. One guy thought took a massive improvement this year, Rondi Goatson of Syrahcuse and then Liche of Iowa, which has been a tight end producing factory for the NFL for more than a decade.

Two tight ends that we're going to see, both coming off of injury. One guy thought took a massive improvement this year, Rondi Goatson of Syrahcuse and then Liche of Iowa, which has been a tight end producing factory for the NFL for more than a decade.

Yeah, Luke's gotten a little bit forgotten about because I think two years ago in last year, he was like, oh, it's got gonna be an obvious top tight end in the draft class. And I think the injury kind of limit him a little bit and coming back from it, but I think he's fully back and I think he is a guy that's going to be a plug and play white tight end. Maybe not Sam Laporta, but you're telling me that Luke Lache is a starting tight end for somebody week five, week six in the NFL. I won't be surprised. He's a plug and play smart, can block well, can play in space, can be a vertical receiver who works in the perimeter too. When now that he's back to one hundred percent, he's a heck of a player, Tony, And that's a great called by you. I think Gaston early on it was kind of like is he a tight end or is he just kind of just playing there a little bit? But he's really taken an effort, especially the second half of this year, to be a great blocker, And I think the second half of the year he's given really a great effort as a blocker, both that receiver and playing more in line. He can add the weight to be a tight end, for sure, but man, the second half of when Syracuse needed a big play or a red zone target, like they just said, Aronde go out there plays. I think if you watch the second half of the season for Erande gas and at Syracuse, and then you watch Mikeyasiki this year how the Bengals use them, it's the same thing, right they are saying, Hey, Mike, go one a one on one matchup. You're bigger, stronger, and still fluid at the catchpoint to make it play in the red zone or on third down. I think there's a lot of similarities there too, And again, as long as Gatston tests well wait the way he should, I think people will help be underrating how early in the draft he can go, because if he truly isn't Mike AA Sicky type of player, every NFL team's gonna want that matchup guy at tight end slash receiver in the red zone this season.

Yeah, Luke's gotten a little bit forgotten about because I think two years ago in last year, he was like, oh, it's got gonna be an obvious top tight end in the draft class. And I think the injury kind of limit him a little bit and coming back from it, but I think he's fully back and I think he is a guy that's going to be a plug and play white tight end. Maybe not Sam Laporta, but you're telling me that Luke Lache is a starting tight end for somebody week five, week six in the NFL. I won't be surprised. He's a plug and play smart, can block well, can play in space, can be a vertical receiver who works in the perimeter too. When now that he's back to one hundred percent, he's a heck of a player, Tony, And that's a great called by you. I think Gaston early on it was kind of like is he a tight end or is he just kind of just playing there a little bit? But he's really taken an effort, especially the second half of this year, to be a great blocker, And I think the second half of the year he's given really a great effort as a blocker, both that receiver and playing more in line. He can add the weight to be a tight end, for sure, but man, the second half of when Syracuse needed a big play or a red zone target, like they just said, Aronde go out there plays. I think if you watch the second half of the season for Erande gas and at Syracuse, and then you watch Mikeyasiki this year how the Bengals use them, it's the same thing, right they are saying, Hey, Mike, go one a one on one matchup. You're bigger, stronger, and still fluid at the catchpoint to make it play in the red zone or on third down. I think there's a lot of similarities there too, And again, as long as Gatston tests well wait the way he should, I think people will help be underrating how early in the draft he can go, because if he truly isn't Mike AA Sicky type of player, every NFL team's gonna want that matchup guy at tight end slash receiver in the red zone this season.

Jump to the offensive line. Two small school guys, Thomas Perry of Middlebury who was on Bruce Felbin's Freak Freaseless before the season, and Gareth Warren from Lindenwood, who I'm told is an athletic freak himself. Six ' five and change three hundred and thirty pounds could run in the four nine to forty what weeks Beck From both of these guys.

Jump to the offensive line. Two small school guys, Thomas Perry of Middlebury who was on Bruce Felbin's Freak Freaseless before the season, and Gareth Warren from Lindenwood, who I'm told is an athletic freak himself. Six ' five and change three hundred and thirty pounds could run in the four nine to forty what weeks Beck From both of these guys.

Yeah, Thomas Perry is physically strong and really impressive in that way. He's streaming with Duke many Weather has for last year, and I think you can talk to Duke as well too and say, hey, Duke's not shy about it. He believes Thomas Perry is going to be a very similar to like an Alien Marpette type player. And we're bullish on Thomas. He made huge drides, you know, One of that matters a lot and watching small school players is not only do they dominate the film, but when you watch the year before to the next year, are they ascending in a really like exponential way. And you watch his junior stuff versus senior stuff, and you see Thomas Ferry is getting way better every year. I think between the fact that he's athletic, super strong, has the length to play guard and center, and in fact he's gotten better every year, I think he's a draft pick and also a guy teams are saying, we don't want to mess with the next Alany Marpett. I think for Gareth Warren, I won't real kind of what the numbers are, but I saw some of his numbers when he got to training early on because they're seen in early and I had to verify with like three other people to make sure that this was right and these numbers were correct. I think he is going to be as a chance to be one of the most athletic offensive tackles in the last couple of years, and I think I know can't leave Platt at relative athletics wo or Ras like I would be surprised if Gareth Warren is not a ninety nine percent tile offensive line this year's draft class. That's why we invite him. We believe me athletic trades. Again, he's getting better as well too, So good call by Tony And again I think Warren, based on some of the stuff he's on so far, testing wise, if it went at the NFL combine, he's going to really be one of the biggest naps to learn in late February early March.

Yeah, Thomas Perry is physically strong and really impressive in that way. He's streaming with Duke many Weather has for last year, and I think you can talk to Duke as well too and say, hey, Duke's not shy about it. He believes Thomas Perry is going to be a very similar to like an Alien Marpette type player. And we're bullish on Thomas. He made huge drides, you know, One of that matters a lot and watching small school players is not only do they dominate the film, but when you watch the year before to the next year, are they ascending in a really like exponential way. And you watch his junior stuff versus senior stuff, and you see Thomas Ferry is getting way better every year. I think between the fact that he's athletic, super strong, has the length to play guard and center, and in fact he's gotten better every year, I think he's a draft pick and also a guy teams are saying, we don't want to mess with the next Alany Marpett. I think for Gareth Warren, I won't real kind of what the numbers are, but I saw some of his numbers when he got to training early on because they're seen in early and I had to verify with like three other people to make sure that this was right and these numbers were correct. I think he is going to be as a chance to be one of the most athletic offensive tackles in the last couple of years, and I think I know can't leave Platt at relative athletics wo or Ras like I would be surprised if Gareth Warren is not a ninety nine percent tile offensive line this year's draft class. That's why we invite him. We believe me athletic trades. Again, he's getting better as well too, So good call by Tony And again I think Warren, based on some of the stuff he's on so far, testing wise, if it went at the NFL combine, he's going to really be one of the biggest naps to learn in late February early March.

You know, so you talk about athletic linemen who have improved, and I'll set it up like this, last year, CJ. Hansen had a real good week of practice at your game. He's now on the active roster for the Chiefs. His former teammate at holy Cross Luke Newman, transferred to Michigan State. And I mean you talk about a zone blocking guard, you talk about a guy that can get out on a second level pull across the line of scrimmage. I mean Newman to me, showed improvement this year at a much higher level of competition.

You know, so you talk about athletic linemen who have improved, and I'll set it up like this, last year, CJ. Hansen had a real good week of practice at your game. He's now on the active roster for the Chiefs. His former teammate at holy Cross Luke Newman, transferred to Michigan State. And I mean you talk about a zone blocking guard, you talk about a guy that can get out on a second level pull across the line of scrimmage. I mean Newman to me, showed improvement this year at a much higher level of competition.

Yeah, I mean he's a great mover. I think I took up the holy Cross on when he played left tackle that he can really move in space at a high level, can work laterally left him too is right as well too, and I think he's shown that at Michigan State playing obviously more inside the fact that he can move at a really special level as a zone blocker. I think early on at Michigan State. Keep mind, he had a kind of got there finishing up the spring season and spring degree at holy Cross kind of got to Michigan State a little bit. But again, the second half of the season with most of these transfers, really what you want to look at. And I think for Luke Newman showed the ability to win with power but also continue to win in space. I think for zone blocking teams and teams want to get him out in space a little bit more. He's going to be a really really covered offensive lineman. And again I think I have looked at too many people in the media and kind of where they have players as well too. But don't be surprised if Luke Newman is one of the higher ranked guards by a lot of NFL teams coming into the draft process because he's going to test well. But the movements there on film that's really really hard to find for our guard, slash tackle, slash center. He could play all three well.

Yeah, I mean he's a great mover. I think I took up the holy Cross on when he played left tackle that he can really move in space at a high level, can work laterally left him too is right as well too, and I think he's shown that at Michigan State playing obviously more inside the fact that he can move at a really special level as a zone blocker. I think early on at Michigan State. Keep mind, he had a kind of got there finishing up the spring season and spring degree at holy Cross kind of got to Michigan State a little bit. But again, the second half of the season with most of these transfers, really what you want to look at. And I think for Luke Newman showed the ability to win with power but also continue to win in space. I think for zone blocking teams and teams want to get him out in space a little bit more. He's going to be a really really covered offensive lineman. And again I think I have looked at too many people in the media and kind of where they have players as well too. But don't be surprised if Luke Newman is one of the higher ranked guards by a lot of NFL teams coming into the draft process because he's going to test well. But the movements there on film that's really really hard to find for our guard, slash tackle, slash center. He could play all three well.

One last offensive lineman for me. In contrast to newman Nash Jones of Texas State, who really wasn't on the roster on the scouting radar before the season, I wasn't spoken about. I mean, here's a guy who looks like in an NFL offensive line, a big, thick lower body. I mean, just dominates opponents at the line of scrimmage.

One last offensive lineman for me. In contrast to newman Nash Jones of Texas State, who really wasn't on the roster on the scouting radar before the season, I wasn't spoken about. I mean, here's a guy who looks like in an NFL offensive line, a big, thick lower body. I mean, just dominates opponents at the line of scrimmage.

I guess talk about Nash Jones. I'll credit our director of College down and Shane Coughlin, because a year ago we invited Nash Jones a year ago before anybe else real knew aboutim, but we were bullished on him as a player a year ago. He's made great rides but physically imposing, physically impressive high football IQ. Talking to as head coach GJ. Kenny, the last two years he's made strides there. If he can't play center, that's okay. He can really be a high football IQ guard, tackle, convert, but really really impressive. I think short area movement, really tackle a handle defensive tackles that are much bigger than him, guys that are three sixty three seventy at the NFL level. He'll handle with pretty good control. And also we can get out in space as he's played tackleles Kylaker as well too, So we've been a fan of Mashones for two years now and again grand to our skuting staff are being bullish on a Texas State guy a year for NFL teams know about him, but no doubt he's activate player.

I guess talk about Nash Jones. I'll credit our director of College down and Shane Coughlin, because a year ago we invited Nash Jones a year ago before anybe else real knew aboutim, but we were bullished on him as a player a year ago. He's made great rides but physically imposing, physically impressive high football IQ. Talking to as head coach GJ. Kenny, the last two years he's made strides there. If he can't play center, that's okay. He can really be a high football IQ guard, tackle, convert, but really really impressive. I think short area movement, really tackle a handle defensive tackles that are much bigger than him, guys that are three sixty three seventy at the NFL level. He'll handle with pretty good control. And also we can get out in space as he's played tackleles Kylaker as well too, So we've been a fan of Mashones for two years now and again grand to our skuting staff are being bullish on a Texas State guy a year for NFL teams know about him, but no doubt he's activate player.

We'll move to the defensive side of the ball. You've got to zero technique those tackle types. If you'd like Jordan Phillips Maryland, who I believe is a red shirt sophomore, and CJ. West, the Kent State transfer who played in Indiana this year and had a terrific season. I mean, both of these guys are just nasty, punch in the face, do the little things right type of defensive tackles.

We'll move to the defensive side of the ball. You've got to zero technique those tackle types. If you'd like Jordan Phillips Maryland, who I believe is a red shirt sophomore, and CJ. West, the Kent State transfer who played in Indiana this year and had a terrific season. I mean, both of these guys are just nasty, punch in the face, do the little things right type of defensive tackles.

Yeah, I think both those guys have a great chance to be top hundred picks. It's hard to find guys that are big as that that can move, that have had successful productive seasons, you know, not necessarily sacks, but also pressures and just generating impact on the quarterback. But also talking to both those guys really really high character and really smart guys, like you can tell pretty quickly finding guys that big, who can move that well, who can process the way they can. I think both those guys will rise to the top hundred picks, and no doubt they have some similarities. I think cj can be a little more effective as a penetrator. I think Jordan eats up space at a really, really high level for a guy that big. But both those guys are highly, highly viewed by NFL teams and they'll be hotly fought after on draft weekend because I think after a good Shrine Bowl week and then again at the NFL combine, I think both those guys have a great chance and only be top hundred picks, but guys that are coveted quite a bit when the second third round comes around.

Yeah, I think both those guys have a great chance to be top hundred picks. It's hard to find guys that are big as that that can move, that have had successful productive seasons, you know, not necessarily sacks, but also pressures and just generating impact on the quarterback. But also talking to both those guys really really high character and really smart guys, like you can tell pretty quickly finding guys that big, who can move that well, who can process the way they can. I think both those guys will rise to the top hundred picks, and no doubt they have some similarities. I think cj can be a little more effective as a penetrator. I think Jordan eats up space at a really, really high level for a guy that big. But both those guys are highly, highly viewed by NFL teams and they'll be hotly fought after on draft weekend because I think after a good Shrine Bowl week and then again at the NFL combine, I think both those guys have a great chance and only be top hundred picks, but guys that are coveted quite a bit when the second third round comes around.

Everybody loves the small edge rushers, and when you talk about draft Twitter world, they talk and talk about small edge rushers, to talk about Donovan Ezekie Ruka of Boston College and Kyle Kinnard of South Carolina. Yet somehow Antoine Ryland Powell is often left out of the conversation. This is a guy with twenty sixteen sacks and twenty tackles for the loss, and when you put on the Virginia Tech tape, all this guy does is recavoc behind the opponent's line of scrimmage.

Everybody loves the small edge rushers, and when you talk about draft Twitter world, they talk and talk about small edge rushers, to talk about Donovan Ezekie Ruka of Boston College and Kyle Kinnard of South Carolina. Yet somehow Antoine Ryland Powell is often left out of the conversation. This is a guy with twenty sixteen sacks and twenty tackles for the loss, and when you put on the Virginia Tech tape, all this guy does is recavoc behind the opponent's line of scrimmage.

Yeah, he's a classic example of the use of bullet of china shop like. He is always active in the backfield, making I think his offensive line in front of him really uncomftable the entire time. And sometimes when guys have a lot of production, and you know your scouts or meilss not not a huge fan of him, you wonder, all right, some of those sacks kind of empty sacks, right, Hey, do he kind of just clean up five or six of those? Maybe one or two, but all those are really earned to your point, And there's a world where he's got twenty sacks. The way he gets pressure on the quarterback and wave forced quarterback to make plays and decisions early too, when we kind of forget sometimes that, hey, a sack only comes when a guy is not throwing the ball away or getting the ball out quicker too. And I think if you look at his pressures, him and Elijah Roberts, other player of the trine ball this year too leave the country and pressure is forced. So I think overall, more activity in the backfield is going to lead to a lot more success in the NFL. And I know Paul Ryland is not the biggest guy, but again to your point, Tony, no doubt he's going to get drap to no doubt playing the NFL in summersfects. But again, don't be surprised if he's a fourth fifth round pick that's playing in a rotation early on its NFL career.

Yeah, he's a classic example of the use of bullet of china shop like. He is always active in the backfield, making I think his offensive line in front of him really uncomftable the entire time. And sometimes when guys have a lot of production, and you know your scouts or meilss not not a huge fan of him, you wonder, all right, some of those sacks kind of empty sacks, right, Hey, do he kind of just clean up five or six of those? Maybe one or two, but all those are really earned to your point, And there's a world where he's got twenty sacks. The way he gets pressure on the quarterback and wave forced quarterback to make plays and decisions early too, when we kind of forget sometimes that, hey, a sack only comes when a guy is not throwing the ball away or getting the ball out quicker too. And I think if you look at his pressures, him and Elijah Roberts, other player of the trine ball this year too leave the country and pressure is forced. So I think overall, more activity in the backfield is going to lead to a lot more success in the NFL. And I know Paul Ryland is not the biggest guy, but again to your point, Tony, no doubt he's going to get drap to no doubt playing the NFL in summersfects. But again, don't be surprised if he's a fourth fifth round pick that's playing in a rotation early on its NFL career.

Three linebackers will talk about it, and they're all different in their styles. Aaron Smith of South Carolina State, a smaller one gap running chase pursuit minebacker who just he may be small in stature, but he plays with a nasty attitude.

Three linebackers will talk about it, and they're all different in their styles. Aaron Smith of South Carolina State, a smaller one gap running chase pursuit minebacker who just he may be small in stature, but he plays with a nasty attitude.

Super tough, can play in the box at really high level. It's gotten better as a coverage guy vertically and on the perimeer, which I think is really really important too. But he'll be a guy that can handle the green dot the NFL level. NFL teams want to know that at the Trine Bowl, in our interview process and during practice. But I think if he can prove, which I'm sure he will, it is the NFL teams he can be that Mike linebacker and where that green dot and has the range to play in space and vertically to be one of the higher HBCU players draft, not just this year, but in the last couple of years. And I think as right now he's our only HBCU college player so far, but he's seen the represent it well and he'll be not only a draft pick, but a guy NFL teams are covering on draft weekend, if not Day two, early Day three, because like you said, Tony, he's he's a guy. NFL team still want it. They can be long into play in space, but really be a thumper on the inside. Those guys are harder.

Super tough, can play in the box at really high level. It's gotten better as a coverage guy vertically and on the perimeer, which I think is really really important too. But he'll be a guy that can handle the green dot the NFL level. NFL teams want to know that at the Trine Bowl, in our interview process and during practice. But I think if he can prove, which I'm sure he will, it is the NFL teams he can be that Mike linebacker and where that green dot and has the range to play in space and vertically to be one of the higher HBCU players draft, not just this year, but in the last couple of years. And I think as right now he's our only HBCU college player so far, but he's seen the represent it well and he'll be not only a draft pick, but a guy NFL teams are covering on draft weekend, if not Day two, early Day three, because like you said, Tony, he's he's a guy. NFL team still want it. They can be long into play in space, but really be a thumper on the inside. Those guys are harder.

I know.

I know.

Yeah, guy transferred from Georgia to Kentucky, Jamis Dumas Johnson, who I thought, if he entered the draft last year, would have been a top one hundred pick. I mean, he's bigger, he's stouter, he's toughest.

Yeah, guy transferred from Georgia to Kentucky, Jamis Dumas Johnson, who I thought, if he entered the draft last year, would have been a top one hundred pick. I mean, he's bigger, he's stouter, he's toughest.

Nails didn't get worse, right, guys don't get worse usually. I think you're absolutely right, Tony. He's a guy that is a plug and play I think in a three four defense inside linebacker he plays tomorrow. He could do more than that, but I think he's a plug and play starter in the NFL, and NFL teams are devaluing linebackers, maybe more aggressively than running backs. In the draft process the last couple of years, and especially guys that are more considered first second down guys early on their career. Doomus Johnson can do more than that, but I think right now, short term, that's what he's best at. But to your point, Tony, you want an NFL starter as a linebacker, inside guy in a three to four or maybe a mic a four to three. He's gonna start for you tomorrow in the NFL. I think no doubt about that win a year ago. He's only gotten better at Kentucky and he's gonna be a kip A player.

Nails didn't get worse, right, guys don't get worse usually. I think you're absolutely right, Tony. He's a guy that is a plug and play I think in a three four defense inside linebacker he plays tomorrow. He could do more than that, but I think he's a plug and play starter in the NFL, and NFL teams are devaluing linebackers, maybe more aggressively than running backs. In the draft process the last couple of years, and especially guys that are more considered first second down guys early on their career. Doomus Johnson can do more than that, but I think right now, short term, that's what he's best at. But to your point, Tony, you want an NFL starter as a linebacker, inside guy in a three to four or maybe a mic a four to three. He's gonna start for you tomorrow in the NFL. I think no doubt about that win a year ago. He's only gotten better at Kentucky and he's gonna be a kip A player.

And another guy who kind of is very often not mentioned at all, Jay Higgins of Iaiowa. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, but I mean his instincts, he's thinking white years ahead of everyone else on the field. Well does it have mental lapses? And he's always willing to throw his body into the affraid to make the tackle.

And another guy who kind of is very often not mentioned at all, Jay Higgins of Iaiowa. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, but I mean his instincts, he's thinking white years ahead of everyone else on the field. Well does it have mental lapses? And he's always willing to throw his body into the affraid to make the tackle.

Yeah ninety nine on n see Football twenty twenty five. I've been to one of the highest ranked players in the game, backs to where those scouts. I like those scouts. They do a great job. But talk about a green doc guy talking to Ja a couple of times, and personality is going to be affusive for NFL teams and seeing what he's like. But again, in terms of football, IQ Tony like he is. It's cliche to say quarterback of the defense, but I think a lot of our guys can be green dock guys to the trin Bol this year. I think NFL teams will leave the process saying I am positive Jay Higgins can lead our defense tomorrow in the NFL. So I think some teams are a little bit lower because you're like, well some of the in space stuff for the athletic stuff. I think he'll prove those things wrong. But I think at the end of the day, whether he's a first round pick, a third round pick, or a seventh round pick against Jay's going to be a guy the NFL team to come on to start briarly on the NFL career. I know two years ago we had a guy Nate Lambman from Colorado who was the best run defender I've seen the last couple draft classes still, and he went on draft because he's the first second down guy only, but he was smart, physical, tough, and he's sorry for the Falcons ever since as a UDFA, I think Jay Higgins has a notch above him, and I think similar career. LI likes Fan Jays is going to play a long time in the NFL and be a starting linebacker for a lot of NFL teams.