It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants dot com. Where we're going on the Giants Moble, part of the Giants podcast network. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. From now until training camp, we'll have a series of player interviews. We've split them up by position to kind of give you a feel of where this Giants team is heading into training camp of two. Just as a reminder, you can find the Giants Huttle podcast on your favorite podcast platforms, on the Giants Mobile app and the Giants dot Com slash podcast. Now we're gonna talk to a set of Giant Wide receivers Sterling Shepherd, C J Board, could Arius, Tony Darius Slaying and rookie Wandell Robinson. Let's lead off with the vet Sterling Shepherd and now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Stirling Shepherd Stilling. First of all, you're bouncing around here doing this. We're about we're about the end the mini camp here. How are you feeling, man? Man, I'm feeling great. I've been working my tail off with the training staff, doing everything that they asked of me, and um doing a little extra my own as well. I'm sure you heard nightmares about rehabbing an achilles injury. Has Has it matched what you were told? Has? How's it gone? Yeah? Man, it just kind of gets it gets overwhelming at times. You know you're doing the same thing over and over again. Um. And you can get lost in or you can just fall in love with the process. And that's just what I've been trying to do, is just fall in love with it and um in gaining the strength back was the beginning part of it. Tough where you can't really do anything. You need to let it heal and you can't quite rehab right away. Yeah, that that was a really tough part. I mean you can't walk around, so you're upset about that. You can't get fresh. You gotta put on one boot and then a shoe. Uh and picking up Marvel's was terrible, so with my toes. Yeah, that was a terrible part about it. But we're will past that, all right. I'm not gonna askal you put a timetable on it, but do you have do have goals? When you can Fans start thinking about stalling, Shepherd, what's your outlook? Yeah, I'm just taking it one day at a time to be honest, I'm not trying to look too far ahead. Um. You know, like I said, I've been listening to the training staff and Ronnie and those guys they know best, so uh just kind of going with them day by day. Did you call anyone former teammates, friends in the league about how to approach this so so you can't make it back percent and maybe not go too fast? Yeah, I mean I talked to some guys that actually did it. Uh, well, like a month before me. Marcus may As one of my buddies, and I I talked to him a little bit. Also talked to Kevin Durant right when I did it. Um on surgeons and which way to go with that? Um. Yeah, And I've just been watching a lot of videos of guys that came back from it, and uh, it seems like everybody has made a hundred percent recovery. Uh. So that's what I'm hoping you can't come back like Katie has. I think I think you'll be good. He's been pretty good. Um. All right, how about this offense? You've been kind of in it now, you've been learning, You've been through a lot of offenses in your time here. Does it remind you of anything that you've been through, either in college or here so far, a little bit of college, but anything in the NFL. It's it doesn't compare to that. I mean, there's uh, it's turnover ton of burbage. Um. So that's the tough part about it. But whenever you get it down, you can tell that it has potential to be explosive offense as long as as long as we do what we're supposed to do and come to practice with the attitude of getting better every day. Everyone tells me the playbooks really thick, thick, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's a lot of one word. So like you have to know the formation, you have to know the play concept all in one word. And so that's where it gets pretty tough. It's usually you know, you have a full play concept and they'll they'll read out everything to you. This is just one word and you have to remember it. So, Okay, have you been able, you think, to absorb a lot of this even though you haven't been able to necessarily do it on the field, but you're doing it in the classroom. Yeah, it's tough, man, because that's where you really learned is on the field. So Um, that's been tough for me. But I've been doing a lot of walk throughs. Coach Dabble make sure that I go through the walk throughs, uh and go through extra walk throughs after everybody leaves. So I'm starting to get it down. Um. Just been in the classroom a lot. Are you visualizing what you could do in this offense when you're finally healthy? Yeah? Man, I visualized all the time, so, UM, yeah, I've been I've been doing a lot of that. Give me a feel of what your role could be in an in an offense like this, Yeah, I mean, you know, I've always been that slot guy. Um, but I'll be able to make mix and move around. You know, I've been through my career. I've been outside for a couple of years, been inside, So it's good to have that on my resume. You can move me pretty much anywhere. I don't want to give out any state secrets, but I know one thing we haven't done here a lot with the Johnson. You've been here, so there has never been a ton of pre snap motion, right, there's nothing that we've done a lot just watching practice. This guy's more moving parts all day long, and like it kind of gets a woman. You know, whenever you look at the motionless too, like they haven't broken down on our iPads, So you look at the motionless, there's so many different motions that you could do. And uh, it'll be good getting a lot of our playmakers moving around. It's gonna be tough on defenses. How does that helping offense? And and a guy like you when there was some of that pre snap motion. Yeah, it's good because you get a man's own read is the number one thing and this office is all about playing fast. So anything that you can catch a niche on what's what the defense is about to do is good. So those are what the motions are really for. It's getting those man's own reads. So how was Brian Dable and Mike hath been to work with? Great? Great so far? I talked to Davill name there a couple of times a week. I would see him. He's always calling somebody. Shoot. I talked to him all the time. Play a little golf too. How about your wife receiver coach girl? I love him man, he's a good guy. Um, you know the short time that I've been with him. Um, definitely making sure that guys are on point with what what the playbook asked for. And uh yeah, I mean you get him on the field as well. I've been getting to see some of the drills that the guys have been doing in the way that he breaks them down. Uh, definitely a player's coach. The final question, you've been Like I said, we've been through a lot of head coaches here are you've been here for this two thousand sixteen. Yeah. What anything that you've seen so far from this new regime that makes you think, yeah, you know what, this is gonna work, This is gonna be good. Yeah. I think the way that they approach every day. I mean it's uh, it's a big sign on our board and it says be a pro. And as long as you can trust guys to be a pro, which we have a great group of guys in this locker room, Um, then I think we'll be fine. And they've they've reiterated that to us. We're gonna let you guys have fun. And that's what this is about. At the end of the day. It's a it's a game, you know what I mean. I know it's serious and it's it's our job, but um, you gotta have fun. With it, and then they do a good job of mixing and fun but being serious as well. It seems like everyone is having fun though, and it seems like the offense itself is is gonna be fun. Like explives, Yeah exactly. I mean it has potential for a lot of big plays and has some fancy plays in there as well, So I think the fans will love it. And um, you know, you just gotta keep doing our part and putting in the work. Good stuff. Shot Shepherd, don't miss your chance to experience a premiere hospitality experien It's watching Giants games world class concerts in two as a Giant Sweet partner. Limited full season locations are available or plays. A deposit for individual games called n YG is a Giants dot com slash suites for more information. Now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton Darris. We've had Check Per, we effected Darius Tony here, We've had c J Board here, and they all expressed to me the challenging nature of the new playbook. Could you just kind of explain to me what makes this playbook a little bit different than maybe some of the other ones you've you've been into in your time in the NFL. Probably the biggest difference is just the verbage. There's a lot of terms that mean a lot of things, and um, there's not always normal. Who helps with NFL playbooks is it's they try not to make it rocket science. They try to make patterns, which our playbook has some patterns, but there's definitely some that it's just straight. You gotta remember it, and there's not going to be very many keys to help you remember. So it's a love a lot of straight memorization where this yeah, and there's no hints to kind of help you along. There is for a good amount of it. There is, but it's just for those you know, a couple of one offs. You know, it's you never know what they're gonna call, so you know, you got to know those just as well as you know the others. Well. Playbook aside, just in of what you're trying to accomplish on the field, how much different is this offense than what you've been in so far in the NFL. UM definitely like the pace. Um, I definitely think that we that he wants us to move fast in and out of the huddle. Obviously play fast, but more so just our operation in and out of the huddle is definitely sped up a good bit um compared to previous years. But um, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. You know, it seems like offense that allows you to play factually have a lot of options. So obviously it's good for receivers and more options you have. When you say a lot of options, what do you mean by that? Um, just as far as like decision making, like you know, ability to you know, uh, kind of show your personality and playing ball. I guess you could say it's funny you say that because Darius was here and he expressed this savings that I think to me, just why I ask you the question? And you know, in other systems that have been here, we've seen all right, well you have to be here in three seconds. It's about time and you have to be there. But then, for example, when Kevin Gilbride was here way before you were here, there a lot of options routes. Right, Well, you know what if this guy showing the outside leverage and then you do this, if he's going inside leverage, you do this, press, you do this. Are they giving you that type of flexibility based on what coverage they're showing you you can make that side adjustment with your quarterback to achieve what you're trying to achieve. Yeah, we definitely have some more of that than we've had in the past, for sure. Is that exciting for you? Of course, because it kind of allows you to, Um, it kind of puts the ball in your court, so to speak. As a players, you know, it's kind of on us to mess it up, you know, because if you don't make the right decision, we get covered. It's nobody to blame but yourself. So you know, obviously I think that that's kind of position you want to be in though as a player. And imagine getting on the same page with the quarterback then becomes even more important, right because if you're reading one thing, he has to read the same thing otherwise that could get problem attice very quickly correct. But um, at the end of the day, defensive defense. So if cover three is covered three, so if I see this cover three, he's gonna see this cover three, and we're both gonna think the same thing, you know what I'm saying. So, Um, Definitely, there's always growing there's growing pains in every offense, no matter what it is. But Um, you know, obviously we've got time to get it down, and you know, I'm optimistic. How about for you? Where where were you trying to you know, improve the most and make the biggest jump heading into this year. Um, I've been in three years now, you know, I feel like I've kind of got some good years under my belt. I've played a lot of ball, I've seeing a lot of ball. Just um, con tin to grow as a player, you know, both mentally and physically, you know, I think there's always things that you can work on with your route technique or obviously we catch the ball for a living. So it's like, you know, Steph Curry shoots a bazilion threes. Well I should probably catch a bazilion balls, you know, if I want to be that good one day. So, um, just a little just the middle details of the craft. Was last year a little frustrating for you trying to get through it. It seemed like there wasn't the overall production obviously wasn't what it was, you know, the prior season. Yeah, Um, I think it's a little frustrating for everybody. Obviously the way, yeah, the way the season win, I would probably it was frustrating for everybody, but for me individually, you know, I try to just keep everything in perspective, you know, and just play ball and just focus on playing ball. You know. Obviously I didn't put up the numbers I wanted to put up, but um, you know, at the end of the day, I just try to control what I can control. How do you think you can fit into this offense? How do you think it's going to utilize your skill set? Do you see the opportunity coming where you're gonna be able to reach back to that production that you had that you were at before. Yeah, yeah, I think We've done a great job of spreading the ball around already. You know, even in the springtime. You know, the ball has seen a lot of different sets of hands, so you know, obviously, you know, like I said, it kind of puts the ball in your court. Makes you feel like if you get open, you'll be the one getting the ball. So, um, that's kind of the approach I'm taking, you know, make sure I'm always a guy that's open, you know, and then I'll hopefully get the ball more. Do you feel like the passing game is is is kind of getting to a good point where you can hit the summer and training camp, you know, rolling in the right direction. Yeah, for sure, Finnal question, You're going up against the defense that's very aggressive, plays a lot of man to man defense. What has it been What has it been like going against a lot of that press coverage, a lot of that man demand and uh, what should Giant fans be excited about when they see this defense at the field next year? I think they should be excited about the fact that we've got a lot of young, talented players on defense that like to play fast. I want to play fast and aggressive and um, frankly, that are annoying to play. How any you have good players that you know are football smart guys and play aggressive. You know it makes them difficult to beat, so um, you know, I definitely think that something that fans should be excited about. You know. The fact that we're able to challenge challenge them as a defense, are able to challenge us as offensive practice is only gonna make us better. Can't wait for the past to get on to do it for real, no doubt, for sure, we can't wait to see it in July, Thanks Lie, sir, and now it joins by Giants second year wide receiver could arias Tony Kate. How are you man, I'm good, man, I'm good. All right, Well, John fans excided to see on the field you have been. You've been on the side mostly here in spring. Do you expect to be full gold by training camp? Most importantly by training camp. Yes, that's them. That's timetable little everything that's going on training camp. I'm looking forward to be out there with the players and the coaches and letting everybody know that I'm here to work. Now. We had check here and he said, man, this offense is a lot of stuff in there. So what has it been like trying to learn it without being able to wrap it on the field as much as you would like. Obviously it's been kind of challenging, but obviously a lot of a lot of time to put aside for us, like um, Dave's Mike, like everybody, pretty much like everybody put the time in to make sure that we know what we're doing, no matter if we're on the on the field all to feel or whatever. But it's challenging. Though I didn't say it's challenging. You gotta when it to come to that, you gotta be a pro for a god. Does it remind you of any offense you've been in before or now? Uh? Yeah, kind of Florida, just like the way that you um like lea running and stuff like that. When you say leeway and rot running, what do you mean by that? Uh me, You're able to just win. You don't have to run the um like I guess the pain and paper version of your oute every time. At a lot of a lot of off the culture they have like the pain and paper mentality, like you have to run it exactly like that every time. But Dave, he give us a lot of freedom, gives a lot of leeway to win a matter of fact, because I mean that's the object of laying football to win. So he just gives that option. So if it's back in the day way before you got here, we're Kevin Gilbride here right, this is when the Giants win the Super Bowl and oh seven and eleven trying to bring that back and and he had a lot of option routes, right, So basically, all right, you're in the slot. If the corners planning on the outside leverage, well then you're going in, You're going out? Is it? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. In other words, it's not a setting stone like where no matter which way the corner back plane, you have to run that route. Like. That's kind of like how a lot of offensives are in. So I guess then take this to the next level. Then it's very important then for the receivers and the quarterbacks to be able to read those corners the same way. Right, Yeah, definitely, you definitely gotta be on the same page as the quarterback and even the other receivers because everybody had their own you know what I'm saying, landmark on the field, no matter what players is. What if it's a running play, pull, all would probably be out of bound. You just to get out the running back way, you like, you know what I'm saying. Like, it's always something or a job to be done, and you just give us a more efficient way to do it. How do you see your role in this offense? How do you see yourself fitting in? Uh? I see a lot of stuff probably being used, I said, a lot of stuff being being brought out. I really can't speak on too much because I don't want Yeah, yeah, because then I'm in trouble too. Ye can't give it too much. I see, I think im gonna have probably like a versatile roll for like I'm the one thing I've noticed you mentioned reminds you of Florida a little bit. The pre snap motion. Man, there's a it's a lot of college feel to it, right, Yeah, there's a lot of field to it. It's all about really the execution. Like you can have the feel, which it's like all about the execution. You go out there and do it the way it's supposed to be done. Like you wanna have the question anything now when you have a lot of that you know, pre stap motion which you're trying to make the defensive eyes moving, stuff like that, how does that help open up things for a guy like you who can you know, get a hand off to a quick pass, go deep? Uh, basically get a feel of what the defense kind of giving you. You know what I'm saying from a man the own standpoint, what you can take advantage of Mainly that's what I'll be able to Okay, they're playing this coverage, I'll be able to go to this and run this route to sit right there. And you know what I'm saying, Like you could do stuff like that, but it's all about game plan. What was your big goal this offseason for where could areas Tony want to become a better probably step probably take two steps for you know what I'm saying, to be more of a well, yeah, more of a pro because last all the Rickan you know what I'm saying that, I mean, they're just on a statuet or you know what I'm saying. But I guess I guess you could say as far as like getting the experience and stuff like that, that was my biggest thing last How frustrating was last year for you because you know, it wasn't like one injury that got you the whole year. It's like shoulder an. It's just like something new just kind of kept popping up, right. It was frustrating, But at the end of the day, I knew it was all part of the plan, like for the longer future. You know what I'm saying, the like the I guess this year, you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, I went to stuff last year, how are you gonna shake back the next year? You know what I'm saying. That's why I look at it. It's probably just adversity. I don't really look at it as uh like it was a good or bad thing at the end of the day, probably just adversity everybody face at versus. Is there anything you can do to to to try to stay healthy or is that just luck? Uh? Now you that's a lot of stuff you could probably pretty much do, which I probably not probably, but what I'll be doing, but I can't send guarantee that he's gonna work. You know what I'm saying, like, ye is all based on I guess, uh what you're doing at that too, because probably a necessary HiT's probably got most of Like I think, like when I'm this to my ankle, I think I was out of bounce and they just you know what I'm saying, yeah, and I got roll. Yeah, So it was like I can't really do nothing about it but just try to, uh, I guess, persevere through it all. Have you set goals for yourself in your second year? Certain things you want to achieve? You you know, I don't need numbers or anything like that, but but what are some of the things that you really want to get better at and achieving your second year? Really? Everything really everything, Like I didn't want to be holding the player and I stepped out there. Really, have you a show doable your arm. Make sure he knows about your ball a little bit. Yeah, yeah, he know. Yeah. You know what has it been like working with Mike Calf at the offensive coordinator? Man, it's really been like a dream come true, honestly, because it's just it's like, really, I don't know, it's like a lot of stuff you can't just ask for just to be given and then he's just a gift, you know what I'm saying. They're just having to land here. I guess you could say him and the ball and in that and that, uh and Joe for that matter, Um, just to bless and to really be here to work up under them. Do you like the whole new vibe of the new coaching staff and everything, like like the way they talk, analyzed the whole Another atmosphere is in the wood last year, Like it's it's pretty good. You seem very excited to play. Yeah, you're ready, kat Man, Good stuff Man, Darius Tony Giants Wide Receiver. Giant season tickets are on sale now for the season. In addition to ticket savings, membership benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. You can lock in your seat starting at just one hundred bucks called n YG is a giants dot com slash tickets for more information. And now we're joined by Giants Wide Receiver c J board c J. How are you, man? I'm good. Are you doing great? All right? Give me the lowdown. What has it been like trying to learn this offense? Uh, it's been awesome. There's a lot of stuff that's in this offense, and I think it's good for us. A lot of moving parts and a lot of different positions for each each of us a servers. So it's been good. I know coaches handles differently. Are you guys learning every single wide receiver spot or do you guys have speci? How's it working? For the most part, I think they want us to know everything and then they kind of put us in specific spots for for now, and then, um, this is good that to know all the positions, so like when whenever the players are calling, we can be in any any spot and get it done. Now. I gotta imagine that's challenging. We had strolling sitting now with us a few minutes ago when he said, and it's kind of like one word and you have to do everything. Can you kind of explain to me how that works. Yeah, it is. It's there's a lot of stuff that that's in this playbook and um, like you said, it's it's all one word stuff that that shows a full concept. So it's just honing in on on memorizing and knowing what to do in each positions. So it's a lot. It is a lot, so, but it's it's fact full of good stuff that's gonna help us. Does it remind you of any other offense you've been in? Um? Not really. Uh, this is probably the most extensive offensive I've been in for share and um, you know, it's it's been challenging so far, but it's it's also been good because it olpens up a lot for us to do, so that's awesome. And with some of the injuries you've had a wide receiver in the off season so far, Kenny's been in and out strolling and can areas trying to make their way back. You've got a chance to have a lot of reps with Daniel and Tyrod. How's that been going. Oh it's been great. Um, you know, I've been there for a little bit with with Daniel, so that chemistry is there and I actually played with tyrod In in Cleveland a little while back. So it's been good so far. I think getting a ton of rep, especially in this offense is only gonna help. So is it important for you? Because I know if some people learn different way, right, Some people are booklarners, some people are on the field learners. You a guy that that wants to do it, and that's yeah, I kind of I gotta I gotta rep it um and the more reps I get that's the better it is for me. So how do you picture your role in this offense? Slack eye doing a little bit everything everything. I think that's just how I've been. You know, my whole career is just being available and doing anything that they asked me to do. So learning the offense, I kind of learned reposition the same with special Team. So it's been good coming off last year. What were the things on your checklist? C G board? I want to get better at A B C D UM healthy first, um, that was first and foremost. And you know that great training staff here that helped me get back. And then now it's just honing in on on learning the playbook and just being available whenever whenever they need me. What was that rehab process life few last year? Is that was that was nasty? It was it was long. It was a long one. And you know, like I said, the training staff here is is awesome. Uh, Lee Wise is is great. He helped me throughout my recovery and UM, yeah, I think I came back even stronger. All right, how about special teams? You know what a great special teams play are. I was talking to Casey Critter and he told me that this scheme it's actually a little bit different than what you did before, which kind of surprised me. Big heat back, It's going to be very similar. Yeah. What kind of different things are we gonna be looking at here? Um? Just just being more aggressive in in the kicking game, UM, covering kicks and again and getting back to that that number one special teams covering kicks and playing hard and it's just making players overall in the special teams game. What makes a good gunner? Uh? Speed for sure, Um. Speed, And this is being decisive. Um. You know, just when you're at the line, it's it's tough because it's two guys on one, so you have to you have to make a decision. You have to go with it and just play fast. That's that's the best advice I can get to anyone. Now, let me ask you this one of technique respect because it seems impossible to me. How do you beat the two blockers run down the field full speed, yet still locate the ball so you can try to, you know, knock out of the end zones get in there. What's your technique so that you do because you can get down there if you don't locate the ball the whole first part, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, Um, you know that comes with a couple of things, as is trusting the punter to toka get to where he's supposed to. So I left the right right point and then just like I said, just just using your speed or my speed to the best the best advantage that I have. And um, it just comes with reps. You know that. It's one of those things where you just got to do it. So then instincts kick in so you're not really thinking too much. You're kind of just just playing at that point. How do you figure out when the permes is trying to Oki Dokia like the fake catch so they think they're catching it. Uh, those are things that we practice every day in practice, so says, getting those looks and and you know, studying in film and understanding the return of tendencies. You know when he when he's going to do that, when if he's someone who who fake catches and blocks you. So those are just things that you study beforehand. Finally, give me some personality. What what is it like being with coach Dable and coach Kafka and kind of learning from then it's awesome. High energy guys. Um, they create a real fun atmosphere for us. That's that's full of just uh, like I said, full of energy and full of just overall commitment to the team. And uh, it's been great so far. I think I've been told that they're fun, they relax, but yeah, you also don't want to mess around, like there was something something in practic. So the day where a couple of things happened David wasn't happy with and he's like, all right, done you dropping some language And he's like, that's not how we do things here. So how do how do they balance that we're having fun but at the same time we're not taking any you know what. Yeah, well, you know, at the end of the day, you know, we're all professionals, so you know, we like to have fun, but we have to get our job done. So I think they, like I said, they created a great atmosphere here and that invites us to be who we are and to express, you know, the way that we want to express it. But at the same time, you know, emotions get high. So it's one of those things where we gotta be beyond our top game. C J. Good stuff, man, we appreciate it. Thank you. Now we're joined by Giants. Rookie wide receiver Wando Ramin said, wonder how are you man? I'm good, doing well. Nice to meet you. So we had strolling Shephard here. He's been the league for six years and he said, John, it's often there's a lot of stuff in it. How has it been for you trying to learn this thing over the last two months? Yeah, I mean it's there's definitely a lot um coming from a system like the RAMS and um having learned a lot already, so I was already kind of used to having to know know a lot and having to learn a lot. So I've just been excited to learn everything and um just not right in So while there's a lot does that mean there's also a lot for you to get to do that's exciting. Oh yeah, for sure. I get to move out and move around a lot and do a lot of different things which I like to do. So, um, just being able to move around and be of our top piece of offense. Now, for people that watch you and your two different spots in college, you did two very different things the way coach Table seems to be using you or you, is this gonna be like Vultron where you're like combining be like two collegiate versions into like one NFL player. I mean yeah, I would say so. I mean I can do all of those things. Um, and now it's just putting it all together and whatever Coach Deable and Coach calf Um put together in the game plan or whatever they want me to do, I'll be able to do it. So now a lot of the priest that motion were seen in practice. There's a lot of collegiate type of stuff, right, so talk to me a little bit about for Giant fans, we even seen a lot of preestap motion here before. How that kind of opens things up for an offense. It just allows you to get a lot more one on ones and getting a lot of space create mismatch for the defense. They had to communicate and things like that. So whenever you're moving and playing fast defense is can't communicating. You get a lot of big plays out of that. So now have you've been doing most of your workers are wide out in the slot, or you've been doing a lot of stuff outside too. Um, I've been working on just about everywhere. Um, nothing, not just one little spot or anything like that. They're putting me in all different spots. There's one day I might line up a little bit more um in the backfield than not doing the slaughter. I might line up in the slaughter a little bit more than somewhere else. So, um, just keeping it, just keeping me on my toes and just making sure I'm learning everything. Now. A lot of people think about you giving your sides like, oh, he's like a gadut receiver coming out of college. Which, by the way, if you actually go back and watch what you did to conductor, you were used as their primary outside wide receiver. You were you were just the wide receiver. You weren't a gadget guy. So do you feel like that gets overlooked this party of game A little bit because just because of the way people kind of view you. Yeah, I mean definitely, I think, Um, once you really watch me play, you just see that I'm a full all player and at the end of the day, I just feel like I just need the ball in my hands. And however that happens, good things are gonna happen. So we just from here. From the technique perspective, what's the difference, what's your How was your approach different being in the slot or versus being outside. Um, there's really no different. That you gotta get open. That's really the only way you're gonna get the ball for the quarterback to give you a chance, and UM that comes with practice and just things like that, getting the trust of your quarterbacks, and um, just him giving you those chances to go out there and make play. So you more comfortable on either spot at this point or I could not care less. I couldn't care less. I'm comfortable everywhere. You just want the ball, right, I just like to volve in my hands. And UM, I've done just about everything for so long. I've just been gotten comfortable in a lot of different spots. So it allows me to go out there and just play fast. No. I know Sterling hasn't been all be on the field to do is rehabing his achilles. But your guys, skill sets seemed to overlap a lot right the way you can have success. You probably did a little bit more backfield stuff than he has. But in terms of him outside types are somewhat similar to how much has he been able to teach you and to kind of help move you along so you're ready to go when you have a chance to get on the field in the summer. I mean he's helped me a lot just coming off the coming off the field at practice and he just sees any little thing or something like that. He's just helping me out. And um, just give me all the little tips and bits and pieces that he's already had. Um just with a couple of years that he's been in the NFL. So um, he's just been a really good mentored already have So what's your plan for the next six for the next six weeks or so, so when you come back, you're ready to roll. So the same thing that we're doing now, just staying working out, staying and safe and uh doving into the playbook. Can't wait to see it good stufing. Appreciate it, appreciate great conversations. We thank the guys for joining us on this episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. I'm John Schunk. Remember to stay tuned, folks. Make sure you go back into the archive find all. The episode is really good insight from all these players. They give you a really good feel for what this Giant's offensive and defensive systems are going to be and where the team is heading into training camp. I'm John Schmilk. Stay tuned to the Gihant Subtle Podcast. We'll see you next time.
It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants dot com. Where we're going on the Giants Moble, part of the Giants podcast network. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. From now until training camp, we'll have a series of player interviews. We've split them up by position to kind of give you a feel of where this Giants team is heading into training camp of two. Just as a reminder, you can find the Giants Huttle podcast on your favorite podcast platforms, on the Giants Mobile app and the Giants dot Com slash podcast. Now we're gonna talk to a set of Giant Wide receivers Sterling Shepherd, C J Board, could Arius, Tony Darius Slaying and rookie Wandell Robinson. Let's lead off with the vet Sterling Shepherd and now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Stirling Shepherd Stilling. First of all, you're bouncing around here doing this. We're about we're about the end the mini camp here. How are you feeling, man? Man, I'm feeling great. I've been working my tail off with the training staff, doing everything that they asked of me, and um doing a little extra my own as well. I'm sure you heard nightmares about rehabbing an achilles injury. Has Has it matched what you were told? Has? How's it gone? Yeah? Man, it just kind of gets it gets overwhelming at times. You know you're doing the same thing over and over again. Um. And you can get lost in or you can just fall in love with the process. And that's just what I've been trying to do, is just fall in love with it and um in gaining the strength back was the beginning part of it. Tough where you can't really do anything. You need to let it heal and you can't quite rehab right away. Yeah, that that was a really tough part. I mean you can't walk around, so you're upset about that. You can't get fresh. You gotta put on one boot and then a shoe. Uh and picking up Marvel's was terrible, so with my toes. Yeah, that was a terrible part about it. But we're will past that, all right. I'm not gonna askal you put a timetable on it, but do you have do have goals? When you can Fans start thinking about stalling, Shepherd, what's your outlook? Yeah, I'm just taking it one day at a time to be honest, I'm not trying to look too far ahead. Um. You know, like I said, I've been listening to the training staff and Ronnie and those guys they know best, so uh just kind of going with them day by day. Did you call anyone former teammates, friends in the league about how to approach this so so you can't make it back percent and maybe not go too fast? Yeah, I mean I talked to some guys that actually did it. Uh, well, like a month before me. Marcus may As one of my buddies, and I I talked to him a little bit. Also talked to Kevin Durant right when I did it. Um on surgeons and which way to go with that? Um. Yeah, And I've just been watching a lot of videos of guys that came back from it, and uh, it seems like everybody has made a hundred percent recovery. Uh. So that's what I'm hoping you can't come back like Katie has. I think I think you'll be good. He's been pretty good. Um. All right, how about this offense? You've been kind of in it now, you've been learning, You've been through a lot of offenses in your time here. Does it remind you of anything that you've been through, either in college or here so far, a little bit of college, but anything in the NFL. It's it doesn't compare to that. I mean, there's uh, it's turnover ton of burbage. Um. So that's the tough part about it. But whenever you get it down, you can tell that it has potential to be explosive offense as long as as long as we do what we're supposed to do and come to practice with the attitude of getting better every day. Everyone tells me the playbooks really thick, thick, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's a lot of one word. So like you have to know the formation, you have to know the play concept all in one word. And so that's where it gets pretty tough. It's usually you know, you have a full play concept and they'll they'll read out everything to you. This is just one word and you have to remember it. So, Okay, have you been able, you think, to absorb a lot of this even though you haven't been able to necessarily do it on the field, but you're doing it in the classroom. Yeah, it's tough, man, because that's where you really learned is on the field. So Um, that's been tough for me. But I've been doing a lot of walk throughs. Coach Dabble make sure that I go through the walk throughs, uh and go through extra walk throughs after everybody leaves. So I'm starting to get it down. Um. Just been in the classroom a lot. Are you visualizing what you could do in this offense when you're finally healthy? Yeah? Man, I visualized all the time, so, UM, yeah, I've been I've been doing a lot of that. Give me a feel of what your role could be in an in an offense like this, Yeah, I mean, you know, I've always been that slot guy. Um, but I'll be able to make mix and move around. You know, I've been through my career. I've been outside for a couple of years, been inside, So it's good to have that on my resume. You can move me pretty much anywhere. I don't want to give out any state secrets, but I know one thing we haven't done here a lot with the Johnson. You've been here, so there has never been a ton of pre snap motion, right, there's nothing that we've done a lot just watching practice. This guy's more moving parts all day long, and like it kind of gets a woman. You know, whenever you look at the motionless too, like they haven't broken down on our iPads, So you look at the motionless, there's so many different motions that you could do. And uh, it'll be good getting a lot of our playmakers moving around. It's gonna be tough on defenses. How does that helping offense? And and a guy like you when there was some of that pre snap motion. Yeah, it's good because you get a man's own read is the number one thing and this office is all about playing fast. So anything that you can catch a niche on what's what the defense is about to do is good. So those are what the motions are really for. It's getting those man's own reads. So how was Brian Dable and Mike hath been to work with? Great? Great so far? I talked to Davill name there a couple of times a week. I would see him. He's always calling somebody. Shoot. I talked to him all the time. Play a little golf too. How about your wife receiver coach girl? I love him man, he's a good guy. Um, you know the short time that I've been with him. Um, definitely making sure that guys are on point with what what the playbook asked for. And uh yeah, I mean you get him on the field as well. I've been getting to see some of the drills that the guys have been doing in the way that he breaks them down. Uh, definitely a player's coach. The final question, you've been Like I said, we've been through a lot of head coaches here are you've been here for this two thousand sixteen. Yeah. What anything that you've seen so far from this new regime that makes you think, yeah, you know what, this is gonna work, This is gonna be good. Yeah. I think the way that they approach every day. I mean it's uh, it's a big sign on our board and it says be a pro. And as long as you can trust guys to be a pro, which we have a great group of guys in this locker room, Um, then I think we'll be fine. And they've they've reiterated that to us. We're gonna let you guys have fun. And that's what this is about. At the end of the day. It's a it's a game, you know what I mean. I know it's serious and it's it's our job, but um, you gotta have fun. With it, and then they do a good job of mixing and fun but being serious as well. It seems like everyone is having fun though, and it seems like the offense itself is is gonna be fun. Like explives, Yeah exactly. I mean it has potential for a lot of big plays and has some fancy plays in there as well, So I think the fans will love it. And um, you know, you just gotta keep doing our part and putting in the work. Good stuff. Shot Shepherd, don't miss your chance to experience a premiere hospitality experien It's watching Giants games world class concerts in two as a Giant Sweet partner. Limited full season locations are available or plays. A deposit for individual games called n YG is a Giants dot com slash suites for more information. Now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton Darris. We've had Check Per, we effected Darius Tony here, We've had c J Board here, and they all expressed to me the challenging nature of the new playbook. Could you just kind of explain to me what makes this playbook a little bit different than maybe some of the other ones you've you've been into in your time in the NFL. Probably the biggest difference is just the verbage. There's a lot of terms that mean a lot of things, and um, there's not always normal. Who helps with NFL playbooks is it's they try not to make it rocket science. They try to make patterns, which our playbook has some patterns, but there's definitely some that it's just straight. You gotta remember it, and there's not going to be very many keys to help you remember. So it's a love a lot of straight memorization where this yeah, and there's no hints to kind of help you along. There is for a good amount of it. There is, but it's just for those you know, a couple of one offs. You know, it's you never know what they're gonna call, so you know, you got to know those just as well as you know the others. Well. Playbook aside, just in of what you're trying to accomplish on the field, how much different is this offense than what you've been in so far in the NFL. UM definitely like the pace. Um, I definitely think that we that he wants us to move fast in and out of the huddle. Obviously play fast, but more so just our operation in and out of the huddle is definitely sped up a good bit um compared to previous years. But um, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. You know, it seems like offense that allows you to play factually have a lot of options. So obviously it's good for receivers and more options you have. When you say a lot of options, what do you mean by that? Um, just as far as like decision making, like you know, ability to you know, uh, kind of show your personality and playing ball. I guess you could say it's funny you say that because Darius was here and he expressed this savings that I think to me, just why I ask you the question? And you know, in other systems that have been here, we've seen all right, well you have to be here in three seconds. It's about time and you have to be there. But then, for example, when Kevin Gilbride was here way before you were here, there a lot of options routes. Right, Well, you know what if this guy showing the outside leverage and then you do this, if he's going inside leverage, you do this, press, you do this. Are they giving you that type of flexibility based on what coverage they're showing you you can make that side adjustment with your quarterback to achieve what you're trying to achieve. Yeah, we definitely have some more of that than we've had in the past, for sure. Is that exciting for you? Of course, because it kind of allows you to, Um, it kind of puts the ball in your court, so to speak. As a players, you know, it's kind of on us to mess it up, you know, because if you don't make the right decision, we get covered. It's nobody to blame but yourself. So you know, obviously I think that that's kind of position you want to be in though as a player. And imagine getting on the same page with the quarterback then becomes even more important, right because if you're reading one thing, he has to read the same thing otherwise that could get problem attice very quickly correct. But um, at the end of the day, defensive defense. So if cover three is covered three, so if I see this cover three, he's gonna see this cover three, and we're both gonna think the same thing, you know what I'm saying. So, Um, Definitely, there's always growing there's growing pains in every offense, no matter what it is. But Um, you know, obviously we've got time to get it down, and you know, I'm optimistic. How about for you? Where where were you trying to you know, improve the most and make the biggest jump heading into this year. Um, I've been in three years now, you know, I feel like I've kind of got some good years under my belt. I've played a lot of ball, I've seeing a lot of ball. Just um, con tin to grow as a player, you know, both mentally and physically, you know, I think there's always things that you can work on with your route technique or obviously we catch the ball for a living. So it's like, you know, Steph Curry shoots a bazilion threes. Well I should probably catch a bazilion balls, you know, if I want to be that good one day. So, um, just a little just the middle details of the craft. Was last year a little frustrating for you trying to get through it. It seemed like there wasn't the overall production obviously wasn't what it was, you know, the prior season. Yeah, Um, I think it's a little frustrating for everybody. Obviously the way, yeah, the way the season win, I would probably it was frustrating for everybody, but for me individually, you know, I try to just keep everything in perspective, you know, and just play ball and just focus on playing ball. You know. Obviously I didn't put up the numbers I wanted to put up, but um, you know, at the end of the day, I just try to control what I can control. How do you think you can fit into this offense? How do you think it's going to utilize your skill set? Do you see the opportunity coming where you're gonna be able to reach back to that production that you had that you were at before. Yeah, yeah, I think We've done a great job of spreading the ball around already. You know, even in the springtime. You know, the ball has seen a lot of different sets of hands, so you know, obviously, you know, like I said, it kind of puts the ball in your court. Makes you feel like if you get open, you'll be the one getting the ball. So, um, that's kind of the approach I'm taking, you know, make sure I'm always a guy that's open, you know, and then I'll hopefully get the ball more. Do you feel like the passing game is is is kind of getting to a good point where you can hit the summer and training camp, you know, rolling in the right direction. Yeah, for sure, Finnal question, You're going up against the defense that's very aggressive, plays a lot of man to man defense. What has it been What has it been like going against a lot of that press coverage, a lot of that man demand and uh, what should Giant fans be excited about when they see this defense at the field next year? I think they should be excited about the fact that we've got a lot of young, talented players on defense that like to play fast. I want to play fast and aggressive and um, frankly, that are annoying to play. How any you have good players that you know are football smart guys and play aggressive. You know it makes them difficult to beat, so um, you know, I definitely think that something that fans should be excited about. You know. The fact that we're able to challenge challenge them as a defense, are able to challenge us as offensive practice is only gonna make us better. Can't wait for the past to get on to do it for real, no doubt, for sure, we can't wait to see it in July, Thanks Lie, sir, and now it joins by Giants second year wide receiver could arias Tony Kate. How are you man, I'm good, man, I'm good. All right, Well, John fans excided to see on the field you have been. You've been on the side mostly here in spring. Do you expect to be full gold by training camp? Most importantly by training camp. Yes, that's them. That's timetable little everything that's going on training camp. I'm looking forward to be out there with the players and the coaches and letting everybody know that I'm here to work. Now. We had check here and he said, man, this offense is a lot of stuff in there. So what has it been like trying to learn it without being able to wrap it on the field as much as you would like. Obviously it's been kind of challenging, but obviously a lot of a lot of time to put aside for us, like um, Dave's Mike, like everybody, pretty much like everybody put the time in to make sure that we know what we're doing, no matter if we're on the on the field all to feel or whatever. But it's challenging. Though I didn't say it's challenging. You gotta when it to come to that, you gotta be a pro for a god. Does it remind you of any offense you've been in before or now? Uh? Yeah, kind of Florida, just like the way that you um like lea running and stuff like that. When you say leeway and rot running, what do you mean by that? Uh me, You're able to just win. You don't have to run the um like I guess the pain and paper version of your oute every time. At a lot of a lot of off the culture they have like the pain and paper mentality, like you have to run it exactly like that every time. But Dave, he give us a lot of freedom, gives a lot of leeway to win a matter of fact, because I mean that's the object of laying football to win. So he just gives that option. So if it's back in the day way before you got here, we're Kevin Gilbride here right, this is when the Giants win the Super Bowl and oh seven and eleven trying to bring that back and and he had a lot of option routes, right, So basically, all right, you're in the slot. If the corners planning on the outside leverage, well then you're going in, You're going out? Is it? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. In other words, it's not a setting stone like where no matter which way the corner back plane, you have to run that route. Like. That's kind of like how a lot of offensives are in. So I guess then take this to the next level. Then it's very important then for the receivers and the quarterbacks to be able to read those corners the same way. Right, Yeah, definitely, you definitely gotta be on the same page as the quarterback and even the other receivers because everybody had their own you know what I'm saying, landmark on the field, no matter what players is. What if it's a running play, pull, all would probably be out of bound. You just to get out the running back way, you like, you know what I'm saying. Like, it's always something or a job to be done, and you just give us a more efficient way to do it. How do you see your role in this offense? How do you see yourself fitting in? Uh? I see a lot of stuff probably being used, I said, a lot of stuff being being brought out. I really can't speak on too much because I don't want Yeah, yeah, because then I'm in trouble too. Ye can't give it too much. I see, I think im gonna have probably like a versatile roll for like I'm the one thing I've noticed you mentioned reminds you of Florida a little bit. The pre snap motion. Man, there's a it's a lot of college feel to it, right, Yeah, there's a lot of field to it. It's all about really the execution. Like you can have the feel, which it's like all about the execution. You go out there and do it the way it's supposed to be done. Like you wanna have the question anything now when you have a lot of that you know, pre stap motion which you're trying to make the defensive eyes moving, stuff like that, how does that help open up things for a guy like you who can you know, get a hand off to a quick pass, go deep? Uh, basically get a feel of what the defense kind of giving you. You know what I'm saying from a man the own standpoint, what you can take advantage of Mainly that's what I'll be able to Okay, they're playing this coverage, I'll be able to go to this and run this route to sit right there. And you know what I'm saying, Like you could do stuff like that, but it's all about game plan. What was your big goal this offseason for where could areas Tony want to become a better probably step probably take two steps for you know what I'm saying, to be more of a well, yeah, more of a pro because last all the Rickan you know what I'm saying that, I mean, they're just on a statuet or you know what I'm saying. But I guess I guess you could say as far as like getting the experience and stuff like that, that was my biggest thing last How frustrating was last year for you because you know, it wasn't like one injury that got you the whole year. It's like shoulder an. It's just like something new just kind of kept popping up, right. It was frustrating, But at the end of the day, I knew it was all part of the plan, like for the longer future. You know what I'm saying, the like the I guess this year, you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, I went to stuff last year, how are you gonna shake back the next year? You know what I'm saying. That's why I look at it. It's probably just adversity. I don't really look at it as uh like it was a good or bad thing at the end of the day, probably just adversity everybody face at versus. Is there anything you can do to to to try to stay healthy or is that just luck? Uh? Now you that's a lot of stuff you could probably pretty much do, which I probably not probably, but what I'll be doing, but I can't send guarantee that he's gonna work. You know what I'm saying, like, ye is all based on I guess, uh what you're doing at that too, because probably a necessary HiT's probably got most of Like I think, like when I'm this to my ankle, I think I was out of bounce and they just you know what I'm saying, yeah, and I got roll. Yeah, So it was like I can't really do nothing about it but just try to, uh, I guess, persevere through it all. Have you set goals for yourself in your second year? Certain things you want to achieve? You you know, I don't need numbers or anything like that, but but what are some of the things that you really want to get better at and achieving your second year? Really? Everything really everything, Like I didn't want to be holding the player and I stepped out there. Really, have you a show doable your arm. Make sure he knows about your ball a little bit. Yeah, yeah, he know. Yeah. You know what has it been like working with Mike Calf at the offensive coordinator? Man, it's really been like a dream come true, honestly, because it's just it's like, really, I don't know, it's like a lot of stuff you can't just ask for just to be given and then he's just a gift, you know what I'm saying. They're just having to land here. I guess you could say him and the ball and in that and that, uh and Joe for that matter, Um, just to bless and to really be here to work up under them. Do you like the whole new vibe of the new coaching staff and everything, like like the way they talk, analyzed the whole Another atmosphere is in the wood last year, Like it's it's pretty good. You seem very excited to play. Yeah, you're ready, kat Man, Good stuff Man, Darius Tony Giants Wide Receiver. Giant season tickets are on sale now for the season. In addition to ticket savings, membership benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. You can lock in your seat starting at just one hundred bucks called n YG is a giants dot com slash tickets for more information. And now we're joined by Giants Wide Receiver c J board c J. How are you, man? I'm good. Are you doing great? All right? Give me the lowdown. What has it been like trying to learn this offense? Uh, it's been awesome. There's a lot of stuff that's in this offense, and I think it's good for us. A lot of moving parts and a lot of different positions for each each of us a servers. So it's been good. I know coaches handles differently. Are you guys learning every single wide receiver spot or do you guys have speci? How's it working? For the most part, I think they want us to know everything and then they kind of put us in specific spots for for now, and then, um, this is good that to know all the positions, so like when whenever the players are calling, we can be in any any spot and get it done. Now. I gotta imagine that's challenging. We had strolling sitting now with us a few minutes ago when he said, and it's kind of like one word and you have to do everything. Can you kind of explain to me how that works. Yeah, it is. It's there's a lot of stuff that that's in this playbook and um, like you said, it's it's all one word stuff that that shows a full concept. So it's just honing in on on memorizing and knowing what to do in each positions. So it's a lot. It is a lot, so, but it's it's fact full of good stuff that's gonna help us. Does it remind you of any other offense you've been in? Um? Not really. Uh, this is probably the most extensive offensive I've been in for share and um, you know, it's it's been challenging so far, but it's it's also been good because it olpens up a lot for us to do, so that's awesome. And with some of the injuries you've had a wide receiver in the off season so far, Kenny's been in and out strolling and can areas trying to make their way back. You've got a chance to have a lot of reps with Daniel and Tyrod. How's that been going. Oh it's been great. Um, you know, I've been there for a little bit with with Daniel, so that chemistry is there and I actually played with tyrod In in Cleveland a little while back. So it's been good so far. I think getting a ton of rep, especially in this offense is only gonna help. So is it important for you? Because I know if some people learn different way, right, Some people are booklarners, some people are on the field learners. You a guy that that wants to do it, and that's yeah, I kind of I gotta I gotta rep it um and the more reps I get that's the better it is for me. So how do you picture your role in this offense? Slack eye doing a little bit everything everything. I think that's just how I've been. You know, my whole career is just being available and doing anything that they asked me to do. So learning the offense, I kind of learned reposition the same with special Team. So it's been good coming off last year. What were the things on your checklist? C G board? I want to get better at A B C D UM healthy first, um, that was first and foremost. And you know that great training staff here that helped me get back. And then now it's just honing in on on learning the playbook and just being available whenever whenever they need me. What was that rehab process life few last year? Is that was that was nasty? It was it was long. It was a long one. And you know, like I said, the training staff here is is awesome. Uh, Lee Wise is is great. He helped me throughout my recovery and UM, yeah, I think I came back even stronger. All right, how about special teams? You know what a great special teams play are. I was talking to Casey Critter and he told me that this scheme it's actually a little bit different than what you did before, which kind of surprised me. Big heat back, It's going to be very similar. Yeah. What kind of different things are we gonna be looking at here? Um? Just just being more aggressive in in the kicking game, UM, covering kicks and again and getting back to that that number one special teams covering kicks and playing hard and it's just making players overall in the special teams game. What makes a good gunner? Uh? Speed for sure, Um. Speed, And this is being decisive. Um. You know, just when you're at the line, it's it's tough because it's two guys on one, so you have to you have to make a decision. You have to go with it and just play fast. That's that's the best advice I can get to anyone. Now, let me ask you this one of technique respect because it seems impossible to me. How do you beat the two blockers run down the field full speed, yet still locate the ball so you can try to, you know, knock out of the end zones get in there. What's your technique so that you do because you can get down there if you don't locate the ball the whole first part, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, Um, you know that comes with a couple of things, as is trusting the punter to toka get to where he's supposed to. So I left the right right point and then just like I said, just just using your speed or my speed to the best the best advantage that I have. And um, it just comes with reps. You know that. It's one of those things where you just got to do it. So then instincts kick in so you're not really thinking too much. You're kind of just just playing at that point. How do you figure out when the permes is trying to Oki Dokia like the fake catch so they think they're catching it. Uh, those are things that we practice every day in practice, so says, getting those looks and and you know, studying in film and understanding the return of tendencies. You know when he when he's going to do that, when if he's someone who who fake catches and blocks you. So those are just things that you study beforehand. Finally, give me some personality. What what is it like being with coach Dable and coach Kafka and kind of learning from then it's awesome. High energy guys. Um, they create a real fun atmosphere for us. That's that's full of just uh, like I said, full of energy and full of just overall commitment to the team. And uh, it's been great so far. I think I've been told that they're fun, they relax, but yeah, you also don't want to mess around, like there was something something in practic. So the day where a couple of things happened David wasn't happy with and he's like, all right, done you dropping some language And he's like, that's not how we do things here. So how do how do they balance that we're having fun but at the same time we're not taking any you know what. Yeah, well, you know, at the end of the day, you know, we're all professionals, so you know, we like to have fun, but we have to get our job done. So I think they, like I said, they created a great atmosphere here and that invites us to be who we are and to express, you know, the way that we want to express it. But at the same time, you know, emotions get high. So it's one of those things where we gotta be beyond our top game. C J. Good stuff, man, we appreciate it. Thank you. Now we're joined by Giants. Rookie wide receiver Wando Ramin said, wonder how are you man? I'm good, doing well. Nice to meet you. So we had strolling Shephard here. He's been the league for six years and he said, John, it's often there's a lot of stuff in it. How has it been for you trying to learn this thing over the last two months? Yeah, I mean it's there's definitely a lot um coming from a system like the RAMS and um having learned a lot already, so I was already kind of used to having to know know a lot and having to learn a lot. So I've just been excited to learn everything and um just not right in So while there's a lot does that mean there's also a lot for you to get to do that's exciting. Oh yeah, for sure. I get to move out and move around a lot and do a lot of different things which I like to do. So, um, just being able to move around and be of our top piece of offense. Now, for people that watch you and your two different spots in college, you did two very different things the way coach Table seems to be using you or you, is this gonna be like Vultron where you're like combining be like two collegiate versions into like one NFL player. I mean yeah, I would say so. I mean I can do all of those things. Um, and now it's just putting it all together and whatever Coach Deable and Coach calf Um put together in the game plan or whatever they want me to do, I'll be able to do it. So now a lot of the priest that motion were seen in practice. There's a lot of collegiate type of stuff, right, so talk to me a little bit about for Giant fans, we even seen a lot of preestap motion here before. How that kind of opens things up for an offense. It just allows you to get a lot more one on ones and getting a lot of space create mismatch for the defense. They had to communicate and things like that. So whenever you're moving and playing fast defense is can't communicating. You get a lot of big plays out of that. So now have you've been doing most of your workers are wide out in the slot, or you've been doing a lot of stuff outside too. Um, I've been working on just about everywhere. Um, nothing, not just one little spot or anything like that. They're putting me in all different spots. There's one day I might line up a little bit more um in the backfield than not doing the slaughter. I might line up in the slaughter a little bit more than somewhere else. So, um, just keeping it, just keeping me on my toes and just making sure I'm learning everything. Now. A lot of people think about you giving your sides like, oh, he's like a gadut receiver coming out of college. Which, by the way, if you actually go back and watch what you did to conductor, you were used as their primary outside wide receiver. You were you were just the wide receiver. You weren't a gadget guy. So do you feel like that gets overlooked this party of game A little bit because just because of the way people kind of view you. Yeah, I mean definitely, I think, Um, once you really watch me play, you just see that I'm a full all player and at the end of the day, I just feel like I just need the ball in my hands. And however that happens, good things are gonna happen. So we just from here. From the technique perspective, what's the difference, what's your How was your approach different being in the slot or versus being outside. Um, there's really no different. That you gotta get open. That's really the only way you're gonna get the ball for the quarterback to give you a chance, and UM that comes with practice and just things like that, getting the trust of your quarterbacks, and um, just him giving you those chances to go out there and make play. So you more comfortable on either spot at this point or I could not care less. I couldn't care less. I'm comfortable everywhere. You just want the ball, right, I just like to volve in my hands. And UM, I've done just about everything for so long. I've just been gotten comfortable in a lot of different spots. So it allows me to go out there and just play fast. No. I know Sterling hasn't been all be on the field to do is rehabing his achilles. But your guys, skill sets seemed to overlap a lot right the way you can have success. You probably did a little bit more backfield stuff than he has. But in terms of him outside types are somewhat similar to how much has he been able to teach you and to kind of help move you along so you're ready to go when you have a chance to get on the field in the summer. I mean he's helped me a lot just coming off the coming off the field at practice and he just sees any little thing or something like that. He's just helping me out. And um, just give me all the little tips and bits and pieces that he's already had. Um just with a couple of years that he's been in the NFL. So um, he's just been a really good mentored already have So what's your plan for the next six for the next six weeks or so, so when you come back, you're ready to roll. So the same thing that we're doing now, just staying working out, staying and safe and uh doving into the playbook. Can't wait to see it good stufing. Appreciate it, appreciate great conversations. We thank the guys for joining us on this episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. I'm John Schunk. Remember to stay tuned, folks. Make sure you go back into the archive find all. The episode is really good insight from all these players. They give you a really good feel for what this Giant's offensive and defensive systems are going to be and where the team is heading into training camp. I'm John Schmilk. Stay tuned to the Gihant Subtle Podcast. We'll see you next time.