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Okay, I'm so excited to be here with you, Tommy Loren.

Okay, I'm so excited to be here with you, Tommy Loren.

Good to be here and Nashville, folks. I love having, you know, a meeting of the minds because everybody's in Nashville now. So I'm a newcomer about five years that I've been here, but I love it. And we're never gonna leave. Never unless you know, Trump has been handing out appointments. So unless I get you know, ambassador to Spain or something, we're gonna stay in Nashville.

Good to be here and Nashville, folks. I love having, you know, a meeting of the minds because everybody's in Nashville now. So I'm a newcomer about five years that I've been here, but I love it. And we're never gonna leave. Never unless you know, Trump has been handing out appointments. So unless I get you know, ambassador to Spain or something, we're gonna stay in Nashville.

Would you take one of those jobs? No?

Would you take one of those jobs? No?

Probably not. I mean, listen, if it was offered to me. You never know what's gonna happen. But we're hemorrhaging Fox hosts at this point to the administration, which is a good thing. We appreciate, you know, helping out, but we're losing our team over there. So no, I'm at Fox there to stay.

Probably not. I mean, listen, if it was offered to me. You never know what's gonna happen. But we're hemorrhaging Fox hosts at this point to the administration, which is a good thing. We appreciate, you know, helping out, but we're losing our team over there. So no, I'm at Fox there to stay.

Okay, Okay, I love that. So you love where you work?

Okay, Okay, I love that. So you love where you work?

I love where I work.

I love where I work.

Ye do you love where you work.

Ye do you love where you work.

I love where I work because, first of all, we're just the best. And you know, I say that from a biased perspective, but the people I work with are just great. They're just nice people. Everybody supports each other. We have differing opinions, we have a spectrum of opinions at Fox, but everybody is just polite and cordial and civil and supportive, and it's really a great place to work.

I love where I work because, first of all, we're just the best. And you know, I say that from a biased perspective, but the people I work with are just great. They're just nice people. Everybody supports each other. We have differing opinions, we have a spectrum of opinions at Fox, but everybody is just polite and cordial and civil and supportive, and it's really a great place to work.

I love that because I have grown up. This is why I'm very excited to talk to you, because you are so confident in standing in your beliefs, and I am a person who I just like want everyone in the whole world to be happy. It's the point where it is debilitating and it has like rocked my nervous system for so long because everybody seem to disagree. Then I'm the kind of person where I'm like, Okay, I can look at a situation and I can see a million different ways things could go down. And it's like when Tom Brady did his acceptance speech to come back into the NFL or whatever, he did some long, beautiful like quote about basically maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be bad, So like I never know if things are gonna be good or bad. And I'm always so worried that I'm going to pick the wrong decision even when I'm trying to make the right decision, because I'm like, well, how is it going to go? It's like I have a hard time making decisions. Of course, no one knows how the future is going to play out, but you and your gut have always known how to stand up for what you believe in, no matter what that is. That is just such an incredible skill. Where did that come from? And how do you handle people who so like intensely disagree with you coming at you like how did you get that kind of confidence to be able to take such a stand. Well, first, I would say I'm very opinionated, so it's easy. When you have pretty definitive opinions, it's easy to stand by them.

I love that because I have grown up. This is why I'm very excited to talk to you, because you are so confident in standing in your beliefs, and I am a person who I just like want everyone in the whole world to be happy. It's the point where it is debilitating and it has like rocked my nervous system for so long because everybody seem to disagree. Then I'm the kind of person where I'm like, Okay, I can look at a situation and I can see a million different ways things could go down. And it's like when Tom Brady did his acceptance speech to come back into the NFL or whatever, he did some long, beautiful like quote about basically maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be bad, So like I never know if things are gonna be good or bad. And I'm always so worried that I'm going to pick the wrong decision even when I'm trying to make the right decision, because I'm like, well, how is it going to go? It's like I have a hard time making decisions. Of course, no one knows how the future is going to play out, but you and your gut have always known how to stand up for what you believe in, no matter what that is. That is just such an incredible skill. Where did that come from? And how do you handle people who so like intensely disagree with you coming at you like how did you get that kind of confidence to be able to take such a stand. Well, first, I would say I'm very opinionated, so it's easy. When you have pretty definitive opinions, it's easy to stand by them.

But I do this for a living, so when I walk into a room, I don't have to worry about offending people because just by the nature of me being myself, they know who I am and they're either gonna love me or they're gonna hate me. Not many people are in the middle on me, and that's just on my political opinions. They might like me personally, they might disagree with me politically or professionally, it doesn't matter, but they have an opinion of me, and that's okay. I would rather polarize people than be somebody who is afraid of offending people. And I don't go out of my way to offend people. By the way, I'm not one of those people that wants to antagonize people. I'm not somebody who walks around in a mega hat in East Nashville or in LA just to simply cause chaos and to upset people. I'm not that way. I'm really not. But I do have opinions and beliefs, and I will stand by them because I always say to people, why are you so worried about offending people who have absolutely zero problem offending you? And I think that's where the conversation needs to start. Is because people who are more conservative in nature, they often don't want to rock the boat, but they're around people who have zero problem rocking the boat. And I admire the left for their ability to be proud of what they believe in. The right is catching up. We've caught up a lot in the last few weeks, but there's more work to be done.

But I do this for a living, so when I walk into a room, I don't have to worry about offending people because just by the nature of me being myself, they know who I am and they're either gonna love me or they're gonna hate me. Not many people are in the middle on me, and that's just on my political opinions. They might like me personally, they might disagree with me politically or professionally, it doesn't matter, but they have an opinion of me, and that's okay. I would rather polarize people than be somebody who is afraid of offending people. And I don't go out of my way to offend people. By the way, I'm not one of those people that wants to antagonize people. I'm not somebody who walks around in a mega hat in East Nashville or in LA just to simply cause chaos and to upset people. I'm not that way. I'm really not. But I do have opinions and beliefs, and I will stand by them because I always say to people, why are you so worried about offending people who have absolutely zero problem offending you? And I think that's where the conversation needs to start. Is because people who are more conservative in nature, they often don't want to rock the boat, but they're around people who have zero problem rocking the boat. And I admire the left for their ability to be proud of what they believe in. The right is catching up. We've caught up a lot in the last few weeks, but there's more work to be done.

Growing up, you are in debate.

Growing up, you are in debate.

I've always been a nerd. I've always been into public speaking. I've always been in debate and student government and journalism and then those kind of things. I've always been opinionated. It's part of being an only child. I think, are you're an only child? I I'm an child.

I've always been a nerd. I've always been into public speaking. I've always been in debate and student government and journalism and then those kind of things. I've always been opinionated. It's part of being an only child. I think, are you're an only child? I I'm an child.

How was it being an only child? Because I'm always worried my daughter is going to be like, oh, I we're trying a sibling. Like I miss not having sisters or brothers.

How was it being an only child? Because I'm always worried my daughter is going to be like, oh, I we're trying a sibling. Like I miss not having sisters or brothers.

Yeah, not for one day of my life have I ever wished I had a sibling. Not one day. Not one day. And my husband has a half sister and she's got a bunch of kids. But I always say to him, like, for me, it's so easy. Hollidays are coming up. I don't have to battle with anybody about here's what we're doing, here's where we're going, here's what we're eating. It's like, no, it's my mom and dad and I and we are our own little posse now including my husband, and it makes life so much easier. I also think it foster's a really big sense of independence when you're an only child, because you have to. You have to make your own entertainment. You spend a lot of time talking to adults. You cultivate your own boys just by way of being a child talking mostly to adults. So I wouldn't worry about it one bit about how having an only child, because you're probably raising somebody who's going to be very fiercely independent. And I just come from the school of thought that that's a good thing. So siblings are great. But when you're an only child, I say, embrace it. And if I have kids, which we hope to have kids, I really only want one, like I want to have an only child.

Yeah, not for one day of my life have I ever wished I had a sibling. Not one day. Not one day. And my husband has a half sister and she's got a bunch of kids. But I always say to him, like, for me, it's so easy. Hollidays are coming up. I don't have to battle with anybody about here's what we're doing, here's where we're going, here's what we're eating. It's like, no, it's my mom and dad and I and we are our own little posse now including my husband, and it makes life so much easier. I also think it foster's a really big sense of independence when you're an only child, because you have to. You have to make your own entertainment. You spend a lot of time talking to adults. You cultivate your own boys just by way of being a child talking mostly to adults. So I wouldn't worry about it one bit about how having an only child, because you're probably raising somebody who's going to be very fiercely independent. And I just come from the school of thought that that's a good thing. So siblings are great. But when you're an only child, I say, embrace it. And if I have kids, which we hope to have kids, I really only want one, like I want to have an only child.

So you loved it that much I did?

So you loved it that much I did?

Yeah, No, I think it's a great thing to be an only child. Big families are great. People that come from big families. They love being from a big family. But I have not one day said, oh boy, I wish I had a brother or a sister. No, not one day.

Yeah, No, I think it's a great thing to be an only child. Big families are great. People that come from big families. They love being from a big family. But I have not one day said, oh boy, I wish I had a brother or a sister. No, not one day.

That's amazing. Okay, tell me about your childhood. What was magical about it.

That's amazing. Okay, tell me about your childhood. What was magical about it.

I grew up in South Dakota.

I grew up in South Dakota.

That's the most beautiful place.

That's the most beautiful place.

So it is a beautiful place and it's a place to me where you know, we obviously don't live in South Dakota anymore. My whole family still does. But I was born with a belief system and a way of life that I think a lot of other people in media maybe don't have. So I come from a different perspective in that way and going around, Well, for me, it's just growing up around really hard working blue collar people, ranchers, farmers, people who you know, make a modest living, but they're very proud of what they do. They're very neighborly. It's just a different sense of community than when you grew up in a bigger city or in a bigger state. So I bring that with me through everything that I do and everywhere that I live. And I think that's why my voice for a lot of people is really authentic, because they can relate to somebody who maybe grows up in a place or part of the country that doesn't get a lot of attention generally.

So it is a beautiful place and it's a place to me where you know, we obviously don't live in South Dakota anymore. My whole family still does. But I was born with a belief system and a way of life that I think a lot of other people in media maybe don't have. So I come from a different perspective in that way and going around, Well, for me, it's just growing up around really hard working blue collar people, ranchers, farmers, people who you know, make a modest living, but they're very proud of what they do. They're very neighborly. It's just a different sense of community than when you grew up in a bigger city or in a bigger state. So I bring that with me through everything that I do and everywhere that I live. And I think that's why my voice for a lot of people is really authentic, because they can relate to somebody who maybe grows up in a place or part of the country that doesn't get a lot of attention generally.

Okay, And so that fully shaped who you are and it got you on your path and you've never lost it, like you never got lost in the midst of like going to the big cities and being on the news, like you stayed grounded and rooted this whole time.

Okay, And so that fully shaped who you are and it got you on your path and you've never lost it, like you never got lost in the midst of like going to the big cities and being on the news, like you stayed grounded and rooted this whole time.

Because I remember where I come from, and that's very important to me, remembering where I come from, and I think a lot of people lose that when they get into media and then they only talk to people that are in media. Also another reason I live in Nashville. Though Nashville's a big city compared to where I'm from, Tennessee's a big state compared to the state that I'm from, but it's still very small town. It's still very community oriented in Tennessee. And that's why I gravitate here of all the places I've lived. That's why we're going to stay here because Tennessee is like South Dakota in that way, and it's a great place to be. And red free states are just great places to be. I mean, I wouldn't recommend living in a blue state right now, maybe even just for tax purposes alone, but red states still have community and family, and I think that's really important for raising a family, Being in a family in a profession that's polarizing and in the public spotlight all the time, it's good to be in Tennessee.

Because I remember where I come from, and that's very important to me, remembering where I come from, and I think a lot of people lose that when they get into media and then they only talk to people that are in media. Also another reason I live in Nashville. Though Nashville's a big city compared to where I'm from, Tennessee's a big state compared to the state that I'm from, but it's still very small town. It's still very community oriented in Tennessee. And that's why I gravitate here of all the places I've lived. That's why we're going to stay here because Tennessee is like South Dakota in that way, and it's a great place to be. And red free states are just great places to be. I mean, I wouldn't recommend living in a blue state right now, maybe even just for tax purposes alone, but red states still have community and family, and I think that's really important for raising a family, Being in a family in a profession that's polarizing and in the public spotlight all the time, it's good to be in Tennessee.

So what is that like, just having such a polarizing presence. How do you handle that polarization? Is it hard?

So what is that like, just having such a polarizing presence. How do you handle that polarization? Is it hard?

It's not anymore. When I lived in La. Yeah, Like, and when I lived in La I had to be conscious, conscious of where I was. It wasn't something where it's like I could just go anywhere I wanted to go and it wouldn't be an issue. I couldn't go to Santa Monica. That was just not a place where they were going to like me, And it was going to be they were or weren't they were not. It was going to be, you know, maybe dangerous for me. And it was in certain places like I would never go to West Hollywood. I just I wouldn't go to Hollywood. There's a lot of places in LA that I just would not go because it wasn't safe for me to go there. I lived in the beach cities, so that was a little bit more hospitable to me, and being in Hermosa Beach and Redondo Beach and Manhattan Beach. But even there, I mean it was you had to be aware of who you were around. You had to be aware of how you carried yourself. In Tennessee, though more often than not, people here are going to be friendly, kind and probably also like minded, so here it's not really even.

It's not anymore. When I lived in La. Yeah, Like, and when I lived in La I had to be conscious, conscious of where I was. It wasn't something where it's like I could just go anywhere I wanted to go and it wouldn't be an issue. I couldn't go to Santa Monica. That was just not a place where they were going to like me, And it was going to be they were or weren't they were not. It was going to be, you know, maybe dangerous for me. And it was in certain places like I would never go to West Hollywood. I just I wouldn't go to Hollywood. There's a lot of places in LA that I just would not go because it wasn't safe for me to go there. I lived in the beach cities, so that was a little bit more hospitable to me, and being in Hermosa Beach and Redondo Beach and Manhattan Beach. But even there, I mean it was you had to be aware of who you were around. You had to be aware of how you carried yourself. In Tennessee, though more often than not, people here are going to be friendly, kind and probably also like minded, so here it's not really even.

A thought have you had scary things happened to you?

A thought have you had scary things happened to you?

Yeah, and many times. Yeah. In La it was scary and it was usually women. Honestly, I would I had women at bars kick me or throw things at me. In Minneapolis with my family, I had people throw water on us and you know, scream explotives at us and get us to leave a restaurant. I mean there are places in this country where it is more hostile. That was also a different time, though, I think we've turned a corner, especially with this last election, and whether you're a Kama supporter or a Trump supporter, I think now it's safer to have political disagreements, despite what the media tells you. I think it's safe for now to have political disagreements than it has been in the last ten years.

Yeah, and many times. Yeah. In La it was scary and it was usually women. Honestly, I would I had women at bars kick me or throw things at me. In Minneapolis with my family, I had people throw water on us and you know, scream explotives at us and get us to leave a restaurant. I mean there are places in this country where it is more hostile. That was also a different time, though, I think we've turned a corner, especially with this last election, and whether you're a Kama supporter or a Trump supporter, I think now it's safer to have political disagreements, despite what the media tells you. I think it's safe for now to have political disagreements than it has been in the last ten years.

And you have Democrat friends, sure, I.

And you have Democrat friends, sure, I.

Mean I don't have a lot of Democrat friends. Most my friends are conservative or more conservative minded, but I have friends that are more conservative than me, maybe on certain social issues, but it's to me. I live my life where politics is always at the forefront because it's what I do for a living and I deeply care, so I want to know what's going on at all times because I want to be aware of what I'm going to talk about or what's shaping my landscape. But politics doesn't drive my personal life, and it doesn't drive what I talk about with friends, and it doesn't drive Friday nights out, and it doesn't drive everything I think, live and breathe when I'm on a personal capacity. And I would encourage people to adapt that if they are really political. I love that because you just can't do it all the time.

Mean I don't have a lot of Democrat friends. Most my friends are conservative or more conservative minded, but I have friends that are more conservative than me, maybe on certain social issues, but it's to me. I live my life where politics is always at the forefront because it's what I do for a living and I deeply care, so I want to know what's going on at all times because I want to be aware of what I'm going to talk about or what's shaping my landscape. But politics doesn't drive my personal life, and it doesn't drive what I talk about with friends, and it doesn't drive Friday nights out, and it doesn't drive everything I think, live and breathe when I'm on a personal capacity. And I would encourage people to adapt that if they are really political. I love that because you just can't do it all the time.

And I love too that you've had some big moments because I feel like probably a lot of Americans like you don't fully align completely with one person in the whole world period, you know, let alone one person governing. It's hard to like align with every single thing, so you have to see where you ligne the most. But you've called out Republicans like you called out JD. Vance when he was like making that comment about cat ladies, like single women who aren't married. And I had some friends who were like that. It was very hurtful to them and they felt like they might be losing rights. And I appreciate that you even though you are so conservative, you still have real feelings too, and you're like, they're humans, and I don't agree with everything as well. Has that and that actually had some backfire for you when you went on the You in twenty seventeen and you were like, your vocal lot abortion rights because abortion.

And I love too that you've had some big moments because I feel like probably a lot of Americans like you don't fully align completely with one person in the whole world period, you know, let alone one person governing. It's hard to like align with every single thing, so you have to see where you ligne the most. But you've called out Republicans like you called out JD. Vance when he was like making that comment about cat ladies, like single women who aren't married. And I had some friends who were like that. It was very hurtful to them and they felt like they might be losing rights. And I appreciate that you even though you are so conservative, you still have real feelings too, and you're like, they're humans, and I don't agree with everything as well. Has that and that actually had some backfire for you when you went on the You in twenty seventeen and you were like, your vocal lot abortion rights because abortion.

Rates such a hot topic obviously.

Rates such a hot topic obviously.

And you were like, I am pro choice in certain situations, which I mean you call things out as well, which is a big deal for a conservative. I feel like, how do you have the confidence to do that?

And you were like, I am pro choice in certain situations, which I mean you call things out as well, which is a big deal for a conservative. I feel like, how do you have the confidence to do that?

That's harder, I mean that is harder. Do you have a conservative backlash? Yeah? Oh, I have more. I have more backlash from conservatives and than probably the last five years than I have from the left and from liberals, because you know, again it does become like you have to take a side. But for me, though there are issues, it's like I disagree with this and I'm going to be vocal about it. And for me, jadevanscredeemed himself. He really did well.

That's harder, I mean that is harder. Do you have a conservative backlash? Yeah? Oh, I have more. I have more backlash from conservatives and than probably the last five years than I have from the left and from liberals, because you know, again it does become like you have to take a side. But for me, though there are issues, it's like I disagree with this and I'm going to be vocal about it. And for me, jadevanscredeemed himself. He really did well.

He did.

He did.

I had some friends who are single with no children, who are like, are they going to take me ovoting.

I had some friends who are single with no children, who are like, are they going to take me ovoting.

Right and well listen, and I was. I was vocal about it not being helpful from a strategic standpoint. I believe when he said those comments about childless cat ladies, I believe he did mean it as a joke. I don't believe that he meant it, and that's his personal philosophy, and he doesn't like people who don't have kids. I really didn't believe that. But strategically it wasn't helpful for the reasons you just outlined. There's a lot of women who are more conservative, but maybe they don't have kids, maybe they're not married, maybe they would like to be both of those things, but it hasn't happened for them. So alienating those people strategically was not wise. So that's why I was vocal about it. Right, So I think strategically, if I want Republicans to win, I'm going to tell you the blind spots that you might not see around other white conservative men. But along those lines, listen, I'm limited government. So when I say I'm pro choice, it doesn't mean in pro abortion. It means I'm pro choice because I just don't believe that government makes the best choices for people in there life, whether it comes to abortion or the COVID vaccine, or locking people down or masking people. I just really don't think the government serves that function well. And I'm vocal about that, and if people don't like it, like, feel free to disagree, but it doesn't make me any less conservative than you. There's a lot of people, and I believe this election was won by pro choice, suburban Trump voting women. I really do. Yeah. They showed up and they showed out, and they might have voted down abortion initiatives that were on their ballot, but they still voted for Donald Trump because you can do both things. And I think that that's an important message that sometimes the right overlooks.

Right and well listen, and I was. I was vocal about it not being helpful from a strategic standpoint. I believe when he said those comments about childless cat ladies, I believe he did mean it as a joke. I don't believe that he meant it, and that's his personal philosophy, and he doesn't like people who don't have kids. I really didn't believe that. But strategically it wasn't helpful for the reasons you just outlined. There's a lot of women who are more conservative, but maybe they don't have kids, maybe they're not married, maybe they would like to be both of those things, but it hasn't happened for them. So alienating those people strategically was not wise. So that's why I was vocal about it. Right, So I think strategically, if I want Republicans to win, I'm going to tell you the blind spots that you might not see around other white conservative men. But along those lines, listen, I'm limited government. So when I say I'm pro choice, it doesn't mean in pro abortion. It means I'm pro choice because I just don't believe that government makes the best choices for people in there life, whether it comes to abortion or the COVID vaccine, or locking people down or masking people. I just really don't think the government serves that function well. And I'm vocal about that, and if people don't like it, like, feel free to disagree, but it doesn't make me any less conservative than you. There's a lot of people, and I believe this election was won by pro choice, suburban Trump voting women. I really do. Yeah. They showed up and they showed out, and they might have voted down abortion initiatives that were on their ballot, but they still voted for Donald Trump because you can do both things. And I think that that's an important message that sometimes the right overlooks.

So how do you feel like Jad redeem himself just in general?

So how do you feel like Jad redeem himself just in general?

During the vice presidential debate, he really spoke to this issue of abortion, and he said, listen, Republicans have gotten this wrong for a long time, not in our beliefs, but in the way that we've messaged it. So we have to do a better job of being not just pro life, but pro family, pro women. We have to do a better job of supporting women wherever they are in their life and their life choices. And we can't be judgmental. And we have to foster a dialogue and a discussion on the right that the right has not been willing to have. So in my mind, he really redeemed himself by being honest about that that Republicans have gotten messaging around that issue wrong. So I really do think that he understood that he offended people and it wasn't his intention, and we need to have a better conversation about those issues on the Republican side. So I really do and I really am confident in both Donald Trump and JD. Van said they will do right by women on this issue. I want to talk to your followers on this issue because they might not be as political and they Democrats and Republicans, and they might believe some of the things that they heard about Donald Trump and the agenda. Donald Trump has said over and over again, I will not sign a national abortion ban, and I believe him when he says it because he was at one point a pro choice Democrat. Let's be honest. But Milania Trump, his wife, also vocal in her book about being pro choice and believing in abortion rights. So he's got his wife that believes in abortion rights. He says he will not sign a federal ban. Jadvance will not sign a federal ban. And just for people out there that maybe even just don't believe Donald Trump, I have news for you. There will never be a national abortion ban in my lifetime on a Republican's desk to sign the Senate, the House. They're never going to push through a national abortion ban. It's never going to make it that far. I promise you this, it's not going to There's not a consensus on this issue on the right or on the left. It's never going to get to that point. The states will have to make up their own minds, and the voters will be able to decide in their states, and they will vote down initiatives that maybe restrict abortion rights. In places like Ohio, they have already done that. Right in California, You're always going to be able to get an abortion, So don't worry about it. New York, You're always going to be able to get an abortion. Don't worry about it. If you are in a more conservative state that might restrict those things, put it up on the ballot and let the people decide. And you know, there are going to be states that are more conservative than others. But I had to leave California because it was too liberal for me, you know, and there might be people leave more conservative states because it's too conservative for them. That's your right, that's your ability. Let the voters decide.

During the vice presidential debate, he really spoke to this issue of abortion, and he said, listen, Republicans have gotten this wrong for a long time, not in our beliefs, but in the way that we've messaged it. So we have to do a better job of being not just pro life, but pro family, pro women. We have to do a better job of supporting women wherever they are in their life and their life choices. And we can't be judgmental. And we have to foster a dialogue and a discussion on the right that the right has not been willing to have. So in my mind, he really redeemed himself by being honest about that that Republicans have gotten messaging around that issue wrong. So I really do think that he understood that he offended people and it wasn't his intention, and we need to have a better conversation about those issues on the Republican side. So I really do and I really am confident in both Donald Trump and JD. Van said they will do right by women on this issue. I want to talk to your followers on this issue because they might not be as political and they Democrats and Republicans, and they might believe some of the things that they heard about Donald Trump and the agenda. Donald Trump has said over and over again, I will not sign a national abortion ban, and I believe him when he says it because he was at one point a pro choice Democrat. Let's be honest. But Milania Trump, his wife, also vocal in her book about being pro choice and believing in abortion rights. So he's got his wife that believes in abortion rights. He says he will not sign a federal ban. Jadvance will not sign a federal ban. And just for people out there that maybe even just don't believe Donald Trump, I have news for you. There will never be a national abortion ban in my lifetime on a Republican's desk to sign the Senate, the House. They're never going to push through a national abortion ban. It's never going to make it that far. I promise you this, it's not going to There's not a consensus on this issue on the right or on the left. It's never going to get to that point. The states will have to make up their own minds, and the voters will be able to decide in their states, and they will vote down initiatives that maybe restrict abortion rights. In places like Ohio, they have already done that. Right in California, You're always going to be able to get an abortion, So don't worry about it. New York, You're always going to be able to get an abortion. Don't worry about it. If you are in a more conservative state that might restrict those things, put it up on the ballot and let the people decide. And you know, there are going to be states that are more conservative than others. But I had to leave California because it was too liberal for me, you know, and there might be people leave more conservative states because it's too conservative for them. That's your right, that's your ability. Let the voters decide.

So well, I think probably what we'll feel is conservative and liberal states more now, not that they are already that way, but it might just get a little bit more intensified.

So well, I think probably what we'll feel is conservative and liberal states more now, not that they are already that way, but it might just get a little bit more intensified.

And Republicans are going to have to do a better job of listening to the will of the people and the will of voters on a couple different issues. When we're talking about social issues. On abortion, Republicans are going to have to understand that the majority of the country believes in exceptions for rape incests, life of the mother. I mean, I think most people agree with that, So Republicans are going to have to understand that maybe in more pro life states, that's where the will of the American people is. But the left is going to have to understand that the majority of the American people don't believe that biological men should compete against women and women's sports. So there's going to be both sides that are going to have to have a reckoning and understand the will of the American people. That will happen. Let it play out. Returning the issue abortion to the States was the right decision, and I just hope people have confidence in that. Let your state to side and they will.

And Republicans are going to have to do a better job of listening to the will of the people and the will of voters on a couple different issues. When we're talking about social issues. On abortion, Republicans are going to have to understand that the majority of the country believes in exceptions for rape incests, life of the mother. I mean, I think most people agree with that, So Republicans are going to have to understand that maybe in more pro life states, that's where the will of the American people is. But the left is going to have to understand that the majority of the American people don't believe that biological men should compete against women and women's sports. So there's going to be both sides that are going to have to have a reckoning and understand the will of the American people. That will happen. Let it play out. Returning the issue abortion to the States was the right decision, and I just hope people have confidence in that. Let your state to side and they will.

What do you hope America and the world is going to look like after these four years that will benefit everyone?

What do you hope America and the world is going to look like after these four years that will benefit everyone?

Well, I would love to see an end to endless wars. That would be great. If we could stop sending our money to foreign nations, that would be nice. I think a lot of Americans feel that way, that, hey, maybe we should repair things in the United States before we're sending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to other nations to fight their wars and protect their borders. So that's what I'm excited about. Donald Trump can get that done. He's done it before, he's going to do it again. But just on a purely simple level, I would love to be able to go to the grocery store and not see senior citizens putting items back because they can't afford them anymore. I would love to be able to see, you know, single mothers and families be able to afford things again and not have to worry every single month about how they're going to pay bills and how they're going to keep the lights on, and how they're going to be able to afford like maybe little luxuries in life. Maybe go out to a nice dinner with their family every couple of weeks. I'm excited for that to return, because it will return under Donald Trump. Your prices are going to go down. That is a mandate from the American people. He will get that done.

Well, I would love to see an end to endless wars. That would be great. If we could stop sending our money to foreign nations, that would be nice. I think a lot of Americans feel that way, that, hey, maybe we should repair things in the United States before we're sending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to other nations to fight their wars and protect their borders. So that's what I'm excited about. Donald Trump can get that done. He's done it before, he's going to do it again. But just on a purely simple level, I would love to be able to go to the grocery store and not see senior citizens putting items back because they can't afford them anymore. I would love to be able to see, you know, single mothers and families be able to afford things again and not have to worry every single month about how they're going to pay bills and how they're going to keep the lights on, and how they're going to be able to afford like maybe little luxuries in life. Maybe go out to a nice dinner with their family every couple of weeks. I'm excited for that to return, because it will return under Donald Trump. Your prices are going to go down. That is a mandate from the American people. He will get that done.

Is it always this intentional intents around elections or is this different?

Is it always this intentional intents around elections or is this different?

This is twenty sixteen on. I mean, I don't think this was like this before Donald Trump. But it's not Donald Trump's fault. It's the reaction to Donald Trump that's the problem.

This is twenty sixteen on. I mean, I don't think this was like this before Donald Trump. But it's not Donald Trump's fault. It's the reaction to Donald Trump that's the problem.

Why did he cause that?

Why did he cause that?

I wonder because he is a disruptor. He's an outsider disruptor he is. And you know what it needed disrupting, It needed disrupting. Okay, so he is a disruptor.

I wonder because he is a disruptor. He's an outsider disruptor he is. And you know what it needed disrupting, It needed disrupting. Okay, so he is a disruptor.

He came in and disrupted the normal flow of things completely.

He came in and disrupted the normal flow of things completely.

Yes, he said everything that everything that's been going on in this establishment swamp in DC, where unelected bureaucrats spend your money on things that you don't even know they're spending your money on, and they waste money, and they pay defense contractors to go fight endless foreign wars, and we are hampering American energy and dependence and we're buying it from foreign hostile nations. All of that is going to end. And by the way, we're going to secure our country. We're going to close our borders. We're going to make sure that people that are in this country illegally, that have also committed crimes illegally, are deported immediately. We're going to make sure that young women can go on a run at the University of Georgia and not be raped and brutally murdered and had their heads smashed in with a rock by someone who should have never been here. That's what Donald Trump said he's gonna do. That's what he did the first time, and he's going to do it even better this time. But you know, talking about women right now, let's have a real discussion. Women are vulnerable in the United States of America right now and women always have been. But you're more vulnerable now by somebody who's been a repeat offender who's been let out of jail eight times for recommitting violent crimes than you are because you're worried about your abortion rights. Everybody. We've got thirteen thousand plus convicted murderers who are illegal aliens who are in our country. We've got hundreds of people on the terrorists watch lists that are in our country. Who do you think is the most vulnerable. It's not my husband, and it's not your husband, it's you, and it's me, and it's your daughter, and it's all the young women out there. Those are the most vulnerable. We just need to talk to each other more.

Yes, he said everything that everything that's been going on in this establishment swamp in DC, where unelected bureaucrats spend your money on things that you don't even know they're spending your money on, and they waste money, and they pay defense contractors to go fight endless foreign wars, and we are hampering American energy and dependence and we're buying it from foreign hostile nations. All of that is going to end. And by the way, we're going to secure our country. We're going to close our borders. We're going to make sure that people that are in this country illegally, that have also committed crimes illegally, are deported immediately. We're going to make sure that young women can go on a run at the University of Georgia and not be raped and brutally murdered and had their heads smashed in with a rock by someone who should have never been here. That's what Donald Trump said he's gonna do. That's what he did the first time, and he's going to do it even better this time. But you know, talking about women right now, let's have a real discussion. Women are vulnerable in the United States of America right now and women always have been. But you're more vulnerable now by somebody who's been a repeat offender who's been let out of jail eight times for recommitting violent crimes than you are because you're worried about your abortion rights. Everybody. We've got thirteen thousand plus convicted murderers who are illegal aliens who are in our country. We've got hundreds of people on the terrorists watch lists that are in our country. Who do you think is the most vulnerable. It's not my husband, and it's not your husband, it's you, and it's me, and it's your daughter, and it's all the young women out there. Those are the most vulnerable. We just need to talk to each other more.

That's why I was so excited to talk to you. I mean I was nervous. Honestly, I was really nervous because I am not really good at being polarizing like it makes me, and I'm not rising person. Like I said, I am very able to see everybody's perspective. I want everyone to leave a conversation to feel happy, but that's just not life. And the older I get, the more I realize I can't be afraid to talk to someone like you because someone might be mad at me that I'm hanging out hearing your thoughts on things, right, I want to know why do you believe what you believe? Like, why are you so passionate about it? Because there's probably something to learn there, you know, there's probably something that we all can resonate with. We don't have to fully agree with everyone, but we all have information to share. And if we just listened and loved, So tell me about that. How do you think we'll get there again?

That's why I was so excited to talk to you. I mean I was nervous. Honestly, I was really nervous because I am not really good at being polarizing like it makes me, and I'm not rising person. Like I said, I am very able to see everybody's perspective. I want everyone to leave a conversation to feel happy, but that's just not life. And the older I get, the more I realize I can't be afraid to talk to someone like you because someone might be mad at me that I'm hanging out hearing your thoughts on things, right, I want to know why do you believe what you believe? Like, why are you so passionate about it? Because there's probably something to learn there, you know, there's probably something that we all can resonate with. We don't have to fully agree with everyone, but we all have information to share. And if we just listened and loved, So tell me about that. How do you think we'll get there again?

Conversations you have to be able to separate what someone believes in politically or religiously from the person that they are in, the character that they have, who you voted for, or what you believe in, or the initiatives that you're going to vote on. Those are important, are their core part of who you are, but they're not all of who you are. And I think if we have more conversations with people will realize, hey, they come from a different perspective, they walk in different shoes, and that's okay. Let's have conversations. Though let's not just talk to people who think like us. And I've talked about this oftentimes to conservative groups. It's great to have like minded people to talk to. It's even better when you can talk to somebody who disagrees with you politically or personally or professionally, and you can still be friendly with that person and you can still have a discussion in a dialogue. It is possible we've forgotten how to do it. I do think it's coming back, it's making its way back.

Conversations you have to be able to separate what someone believes in politically or religiously from the person that they are in, the character that they have, who you voted for, or what you believe in, or the initiatives that you're going to vote on. Those are important, are their core part of who you are, but they're not all of who you are. And I think if we have more conversations with people will realize, hey, they come from a different perspective, they walk in different shoes, and that's okay. Let's have conversations. Though let's not just talk to people who think like us. And I've talked about this oftentimes to conservative groups. It's great to have like minded people to talk to. It's even better when you can talk to somebody who disagrees with you politically or personally or professionally, and you can still be friendly with that person and you can still have a discussion in a dialogue. It is possible we've forgotten how to do it. I do think it's coming back, it's making its way back.

I agree, I hope, so, I pray so. I think it has to. I think the only thing left to do is talk to each other. Now we've done everything else right right, So, how has married life changed you? And you went through it like when you were out there, like you had an engagement before yeah and called it off, Like you've gone through some big decisions, Like you've gone through some big moments. How did you know when it was right? And I would love to ask you about this because I have a lot of women on my podcast seeing a women dating women. Yeah, it's hard outre How do you know when it's wrong? And how do you know when it's right? Especially when you're someone like you in the public guy, Like, how do you know how to decipher who is like actually in it for you and not just in it for all the things that come with you? But how do you know when something's right? And how do you know when it's wrong when you're in a relationship, Because that's a very hard decision. I feel like a lot of people make the wrong one there, especially women. They feel pressure. You know, they're getting older, they want to get married, they want to have babies, all of that, whatever the pressure wuy be Well, first of all, I wouldn't tell anyone to put pressure on themselves to fit into a timeline, and I think women have gotten a lot better at that in the last several years of not sticking by a timeline. If I would have gotten married when I was twenty five or twenty six or twenty seven, I would have been divorced. And now I'm thirty two, and then who knows if I would have been remarried by it would have just been a disaster. I waited until I was thirty to get married, and I would encourage that, I honestly would. Some people find the person are supposed to be with much younger in life, and that's great. Most people, you have to go through seasons of your life to be ready to get married. That was the case for me and especially doing what I do. So for me, yes, there's people that want to be with me because they're faan that's sicky to me. I've gone down that path before.

I agree, I hope, so, I pray so. I think it has to. I think the only thing left to do is talk to each other. Now we've done everything else right right, So, how has married life changed you? And you went through it like when you were out there, like you had an engagement before yeah and called it off, Like you've gone through some big decisions, Like you've gone through some big moments. How did you know when it was right? And I would love to ask you about this because I have a lot of women on my podcast seeing a women dating women. Yeah, it's hard outre How do you know when it's wrong? And how do you know when it's right? Especially when you're someone like you in the public guy, Like, how do you know how to decipher who is like actually in it for you and not just in it for all the things that come with you? But how do you know when something's right? And how do you know when it's wrong when you're in a relationship, Because that's a very hard decision. I feel like a lot of people make the wrong one there, especially women. They feel pressure. You know, they're getting older, they want to get married, they want to have babies, all of that, whatever the pressure wuy be Well, first of all, I wouldn't tell anyone to put pressure on themselves to fit into a timeline, and I think women have gotten a lot better at that in the last several years of not sticking by a timeline. If I would have gotten married when I was twenty five or twenty six or twenty seven, I would have been divorced. And now I'm thirty two, and then who knows if I would have been remarried by it would have just been a disaster. I waited until I was thirty to get married, and I would encourage that, I honestly would. Some people find the person are supposed to be with much younger in life, and that's great. Most people, you have to go through seasons of your life to be ready to get married. That was the case for me and especially doing what I do. So for me, yes, there's people that want to be with me because they're faan that's sicky to me. I've gone down that path before.

That's weird. I dated a fan well, somebody that like maybe maybe I intimidated them and I it was too easy for me to walk all over them, or I was too big of a personality, right, I really think you have to have somebody that doesn't have to necessarily match your personality. But somebody that can handle your personality and doesn't just become like a supporting character, like matches your vibration, right, it just and it has to work. I waited until later in life when I found that person. And so my husband, you know, he's played professional sports, he's been married to someone before, who has been in the public eye, been through that done. That is also somebody who is not going to shy away from the controversy that comes with being with me. That's never something that he's calculated in or cared about. And he's be the first person to defend me, and he's not going to let anybody tell him that he can't be proud or supportive of me.

That's weird. I dated a fan well, somebody that like maybe maybe I intimidated them and I it was too easy for me to walk all over them, or I was too big of a personality, right, I really think you have to have somebody that doesn't have to necessarily match your personality. But somebody that can handle your personality and doesn't just become like a supporting character, like matches your vibration, right, it just and it has to work. I waited until later in life when I found that person. And so my husband, you know, he's played professional sports, he's been married to someone before, who has been in the public eye, been through that done. That is also somebody who is not going to shy away from the controversy that comes with being with me. That's never something that he's calculated in or cared about. And he's be the first person to defend me, and he's not going to let anybody tell him that he can't be proud or supportive of me.

That was important to me very like I have to have to have that. I have to you'd be dead without that.

That was important to me very like I have to have to have that. I have to you'd be dead without that.

Yeah, I can't have somebody that wants to hide who they're with or is embarrassed of it.

Yeah, I can't have somebody that wants to hide who they're with or is embarrassed of it.

Or trying to make you small. That that's a big part of the problem. Yes, for a lot of try to dim you down, right, and we're going to try to censor you, right. And I could never be with someone like I'm not really sensorable, like that wouldn't have That would have been a feudal endeavor if he ever would have tried to do that.

Or trying to make you small. That that's a big part of the problem. Yes, for a lot of try to dim you down, right, and we're going to try to censor you, right. And I could never be with someone like I'm not really sensorable, like that wouldn't have That would have been a feudal endeavor if he ever would have tried to do that.

It just it doesn't work. But I have somebody who's strong willed as well determined, successful, somebody who knows what it's like to be in the spotlight. That's important for me. For me, I need to have that. But I have a lot of friends who are not in the spotlight. But they are in their late thirties, maybe even their early forties, never been married, don't have kids, maybe not even seriously dating somebody. And I get that that pressure is there and it is not easy. And I did back during the COVID times when I had first moved to Nashville and I was very single. I did from La danger Out twenty twenty. How was that April of twenty twenty, don't remember it or anything? Yeah, Mark time right. So, honestly, Nashville was the most fun in COVID that endeavor has been. So I think Nashville was actually at its peak during COVID when the lockdown's eased. It was a wild time. But I did it like a PSA to boyish men because I was trying to date in Nashville, and I I was frustrated, and my friends are frustrated, and they're still frustrated. This is not an easy city to be in. There's a pluthor of women here, like this is a there's a lot of women here. There's a lot of young women here. There's a lot of you know, there's just there's it's a target rich environment. But it is in la and it is in Dallas, and it is in every place I've ever lived in. I mean the community that you're in or at the city that you're in. It's hard everywhere. It just is. But I have noticed with my friends it's hard because men that are their age are a little bit older, they want to be with the twenty five year olds. So it's hard. Yeah, it is, And I'm not going to say that it's not. It's not easy. It's hard because everybody's living a life for social media now. And I have found that the twenty five year olds want to be with the forty five year olds, not because they're attracted to the forty five year olds, but because the forty five year olds have money and they want to live a life on social media and they want to have things. But then the twenty five year olds are skilled open all the forty five year olds that should be with the forty year olds. I don't know the solution to the problem. I think there are good men out there. But I think another part of the thing I'm excited about in America is I think masculinity is making a comeback. And people think masculinity is like dating a bunch of girls and macho.

It just it doesn't work. But I have somebody who's strong willed as well determined, successful, somebody who knows what it's like to be in the spotlight. That's important for me. For me, I need to have that. But I have a lot of friends who are not in the spotlight. But they are in their late thirties, maybe even their early forties, never been married, don't have kids, maybe not even seriously dating somebody. And I get that that pressure is there and it is not easy. And I did back during the COVID times when I had first moved to Nashville and I was very single. I did from La danger Out twenty twenty. How was that April of twenty twenty, don't remember it or anything? Yeah, Mark time right. So, honestly, Nashville was the most fun in COVID that endeavor has been. So I think Nashville was actually at its peak during COVID when the lockdown's eased. It was a wild time. But I did it like a PSA to boyish men because I was trying to date in Nashville, and I I was frustrated, and my friends are frustrated, and they're still frustrated. This is not an easy city to be in. There's a pluthor of women here, like this is a there's a lot of women here. There's a lot of young women here. There's a lot of you know, there's just there's it's a target rich environment. But it is in la and it is in Dallas, and it is in every place I've ever lived in. I mean the community that you're in or at the city that you're in. It's hard everywhere. It just is. But I have noticed with my friends it's hard because men that are their age are a little bit older, they want to be with the twenty five year olds. So it's hard. Yeah, it is, And I'm not going to say that it's not. It's not easy. It's hard because everybody's living a life for social media now. And I have found that the twenty five year olds want to be with the forty five year olds, not because they're attracted to the forty five year olds, but because the forty five year olds have money and they want to live a life on social media and they want to have things. But then the twenty five year olds are skilled open all the forty five year olds that should be with the forty year olds. I don't know the solution to the problem. I think there are good men out there. But I think another part of the thing I'm excited about in America is I think masculinity is making a comeback. And people think masculinity is like dating a bunch of girls and macho.

No.

No.

No, no. Masculinity is being a strong enough man that you want to be with a strong woman and you want to marry her and you want to have kids, and you want to be faithful. That's masculinity, and I think that is making a comeback. Slowly, but surely.

No, no. Masculinity is being a strong enough man that you want to be with a strong woman and you want to marry her and you want to have kids, and you want to be faithful. That's masculinity, and I think that is making a comeback. Slowly, but surely.

How has married life been? How long have you been married?

How has married life been? How long have you been married?

Just over two years? Just a little bit over two years? Yeah, and y'all, so you met him here? No, I met him on Instagram? You met him on Instagram? And how did that happen? She just slid into the g slid into the DMS and he's he was in Miami at the time, yours. Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I'm not really in the like you're going to send out the random DMS phase of my life. No, no, But I've met up Most of the people that I've ever dated has been through social media, okay, because it's listen, it's a way to connect with people that's outside of having to go to a bar, which I'm not against, but it's not easy. And during COVID especially wasn't easy because we were that was taken away from us robbed. I would say, I have a lot of thoughts on COVID policies, but I listen. I met my husband on Instagram, lived in Miami. I told him he'd be moving to Nashville within a year, and you knew nine months later he moved to Nashville. Well, yes, because I think when you meet somebody and you you just have a connection, it's pretty obvious. And when you're older, you recognize it. I would say, when you're thirty plus, you recognize it. So for all the women out there who think they have to find someone by age twenty six, I promise you don't, and it actually will probably be better for you if you wait until you for fully matured. And it takes men longer to mature. So my husband's going to be thirty nine in January. That's a good age separation.

Just over two years? Just a little bit over two years? Yeah, and y'all, so you met him here? No, I met him on Instagram? You met him on Instagram? And how did that happen? She just slid into the g slid into the DMS and he's he was in Miami at the time, yours. Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I'm not really in the like you're going to send out the random DMS phase of my life. No, no, But I've met up Most of the people that I've ever dated has been through social media, okay, because it's listen, it's a way to connect with people that's outside of having to go to a bar, which I'm not against, but it's not easy. And during COVID especially wasn't easy because we were that was taken away from us robbed. I would say, I have a lot of thoughts on COVID policies, but I listen. I met my husband on Instagram, lived in Miami. I told him he'd be moving to Nashville within a year, and you knew nine months later he moved to Nashville. Well, yes, because I think when you meet somebody and you you just have a connection, it's pretty obvious. And when you're older, you recognize it. I would say, when you're thirty plus, you recognize it. So for all the women out there who think they have to find someone by age twenty six, I promise you don't, and it actually will probably be better for you if you wait until you for fully matured. And it takes men longer to mature. So my husband's going to be thirty nine in January. That's a good age separation.

How old.

How old.

Are you thirty two?

Are you thirty two?

You've accomplished so much to be thirty two years old?

You've accomplished so much to be thirty two years old?

Why I appreciate it. When did you get to work twenty one? I started twenty one, so you were ready?

Why I appreciate it. When did you get to work twenty one? I started twenty one, so you were ready?

Yeah, you were ready to get in there.

Yeah, you were ready to get in there.

Yeah, because I'm an only child. See, so take comfort in that.

Yeah, because I'm an only child. See, so take comfort in that.

Well, my daughter is she's got such spirits, so I feel that. And she can talk to adults. She can she loves to be involved. She was very sad she cannot be with this interview today. She was like, do I get to be at the podcast? But yeah, okay, So you were ready to go?

Well, my daughter is she's got such spirits, so I feel that. And she can talk to adults. She can she loves to be involved. She was very sad she cannot be with this interview today. She was like, do I get to be at the podcast? But yeah, okay, So you were ready to go?

Yeah?

Yeah?

How and we'll wrap up soon because I know you are so busy, especially right now in your life. But how did that moment when you went on the view? I think it was twenty seventeen and you were working for the Blade. It was a big, big career opportunity. You're in a big career moment, like you had been going viral. You had your catch saying like Tommy's thoughts, what was it your final final thoughts?

How and we'll wrap up soon because I know you are so busy, especially right now in your life. But how did that moment when you went on the view? I think it was twenty seventeen and you were working for the Blade. It was a big, big career opportunity. You're in a big career moment, like you had been going viral. You had your catch saying like Tommy's thoughts, what was it your final final thoughts?

I still do them, yes, but I mean it.

I still do them, yes, but I mean it.

Had taken off. You were like all over the place and you were on the view giving your opinions and the abortion thing where you said you were kind of pro choice happened and there's a big fallout. How did that affect you? And what is that like to be in a moment when you're in a dream job, you're in a dream position, you're actually like on the view, I mean, you're kind of like you're kind of at a peak.

Had taken off. You were like all over the place and you were on the view giving your opinions and the abortion thing where you said you were kind of pro choice happened and there's a big fallout. How did that affect you? And what is that like to be in a moment when you're in a dream job, you're in a dream position, you're actually like on the view, I mean, you're kind of like you're kind of at a peak.

Nothing.

Nothing.

There's a lot more peaks to get.

There's a lot more peaks to get.

But that's a big Yeah, it's a big time for me.

But that's a big Yeah, it's a big time for me.

To have it have such a backlash, like how do you handle that? How did that go down? And it obviously turned into something very positive because now you're independent and you've been able to pursue things in your own way. But I'm sure for the moment it might have felt like that was earth shuttering for me. It would have, but you're a lot, like I said, you're a lot more you know.

To have it have such a backlash, like how do you handle that? How did that go down? And it obviously turned into something very positive because now you're independent and you've been able to pursue things in your own way. But I'm sure for the moment it might have felt like that was earth shuttering for me. It would have, but you're a lot, like I said, you're a lot more you know.

At the time. At the time, it was really stressful because I was twenty four and I wasnt going handled through a lawsuit with a television network, So that was stressful. It costs a lot of money. It was stressful in that it was a battle that I never thought I would have to fight over saying my political opinions. I thought that that's what I got paid to do, was say my political opinions. But listen, it worked out the way that it was supposed to, and I think I think for as many people that were mad at me for my stance on that, I think I also gained a lot of trust. And I'll tell you why, because that was right after Donald Trump had won. A lot of people saw me as kind of one of the front people for Donald Trump. Like I was a big advocate and supporter of Donald Trump throughout the election. I was one of the foremost people out there on social media advocating for Donald Trump. So I had a huge conservative following at that time. I go on the View and I say, listen, I'm pro choice because I believe in limited government. And then there were some people that kind of went silent because it was like, well, we thought that this girl was just this raw, raw Trump cheerleader, this conservative beacon for us, and now she's saying something that might be rocking our perception of her. And so for a moment there, I think people were a little stunned. But as time went on, I think I gained a lot of trust because they realize I'm going to tell you how I think, and it's not going to be to fit into a narrative or to get a paycheck or to make the right people happy. It's going to be because this is actually what I believe. So when I raw raw for Trump and I tell you he's gonna bring your grocery prices down, he's going to end endless wars, and he's not going to sign a national abortion band, I feel like I've gained some credibility because if I thought he was gonna not do those things, I would tell you, yeah, because I'm not. I'm beyond the point where I'm appeasing people on either side. I gained a lot of trust through that experience, through people who have listened to me, and they might not always agree with it, but they appreciate the fact that I'm going to be honest, and that's something that I will I will always be.

At the time. At the time, it was really stressful because I was twenty four and I wasnt going handled through a lawsuit with a television network, So that was stressful. It costs a lot of money. It was stressful in that it was a battle that I never thought I would have to fight over saying my political opinions. I thought that that's what I got paid to do, was say my political opinions. But listen, it worked out the way that it was supposed to, and I think I think for as many people that were mad at me for my stance on that, I think I also gained a lot of trust. And I'll tell you why, because that was right after Donald Trump had won. A lot of people saw me as kind of one of the front people for Donald Trump. Like I was a big advocate and supporter of Donald Trump throughout the election. I was one of the foremost people out there on social media advocating for Donald Trump. So I had a huge conservative following at that time. I go on the View and I say, listen, I'm pro choice because I believe in limited government. And then there were some people that kind of went silent because it was like, well, we thought that this girl was just this raw, raw Trump cheerleader, this conservative beacon for us, and now she's saying something that might be rocking our perception of her. And so for a moment there, I think people were a little stunned. But as time went on, I think I gained a lot of trust because they realize I'm going to tell you how I think, and it's not going to be to fit into a narrative or to get a paycheck or to make the right people happy. It's going to be because this is actually what I believe. So when I raw raw for Trump and I tell you he's gonna bring your grocery prices down, he's going to end endless wars, and he's not going to sign a national abortion band, I feel like I've gained some credibility because if I thought he was gonna not do those things, I would tell you, yeah, because I'm not. I'm beyond the point where I'm appeasing people on either side. I gained a lot of trust through that experience, through people who have listened to me, and they might not always agree with it, but they appreciate the fact that I'm going to be honest, and that's something that I will I will always be.

It's always there's always a blessing in those moments, like they're always there. What would you want to tell someone who's in the middle of what feels like their whole life is shifting, Like how do you how do you handle those how do you get the perspective to handle that correctly. If you're in the middle of it.

It's always there's always a blessing in those moments, like they're always there. What would you want to tell someone who's in the middle of what feels like their whole life is shifting, Like how do you how do you handle those how do you get the perspective to handle that correctly. If you're in the middle of it.

It's always a redirection. I've been at Fox this my eight year at Fox New you would never be here right and and OutKick was acquired by Fox News. Clay Travis has always been a good friend of mine, but he started OutKick, and he's another visionary. He started OutKick from right here in Nashville, Tennessee, and he sold it to Fox News I believe maybe four almost five years ago now, and then you know, I naturally came on board with OutKick being at Fox News and being on the digital side. I did Fox Nation. Now I'm over at OutKick with Clay and you know, many other voices, Riley Gaines and others, and we're just building out the digital space and just being able to podcast and stream and connect with people not only people that watch Fox News, but people that are more on the digital side, that maybe watch more of culture and sports and politics and the intersection of all those things. So everywhere, everything that you do, every redirection is an opportunity. For me, it was a massive opportunity and it's just led to all good things for me. Through an uncomfortable time, many good things came out of it and being uncomfortable is really important. If something scares you, I would say, run towards it, because once you run towards it and you accomplish it and you come out on the other side, then you've just strengthened yourself for the next challenge rather than ducking or shying away from things that scare you.

It's always a redirection. I've been at Fox this my eight year at Fox New you would never be here right and and OutKick was acquired by Fox News. Clay Travis has always been a good friend of mine, but he started OutKick, and he's another visionary. He started OutKick from right here in Nashville, Tennessee, and he sold it to Fox News I believe maybe four almost five years ago now, and then you know, I naturally came on board with OutKick being at Fox News and being on the digital side. I did Fox Nation. Now I'm over at OutKick with Clay and you know, many other voices, Riley Gaines and others, and we're just building out the digital space and just being able to podcast and stream and connect with people not only people that watch Fox News, but people that are more on the digital side, that maybe watch more of culture and sports and politics and the intersection of all those things. So everywhere, everything that you do, every redirection is an opportunity. For me, it was a massive opportunity and it's just led to all good things for me. Through an uncomfortable time, many good things came out of it and being uncomfortable is really important. If something scares you, I would say, run towards it, because once you run towards it and you accomplish it and you come out on the other side, then you've just strengthened yourself for the next challenge rather than ducking or shying away from things that scare you.

That's amazing. How is the podcast? Tell me a spear less? How's that been?

That's amazing. How is the podcast? Tell me a spear less? How's that been?

It's great? You know, we love being in Nashville and OutKick is a brand that was born in Nashville. So Clay and I the fact that we can be in Nashville and we can talk to a Fox News audience, so we can also talk to our OutKick audience, and it is it's really OutKick was developed as an answer to woke sports media, and then it also evolved into being an answer to woke social media and woke politics, and that's what we do. So I love to be able to be a part of that and to say what I want to say. And taking that with the Fox News side has been a really big tool and asset to all of us at OutKick.

It's great? You know, we love being in Nashville and OutKick is a brand that was born in Nashville. So Clay and I the fact that we can be in Nashville and we can talk to a Fox News audience, so we can also talk to our OutKick audience, and it is it's really OutKick was developed as an answer to woke sports media, and then it also evolved into being an answer to woke social media and woke politics, and that's what we do. So I love to be able to be a part of that and to say what I want to say. And taking that with the Fox News side has been a really big tool and asset to all of us at OutKick.

I always wrap up with Leader Light and it's super open ended it's basically, what do you want people to know? Just to drop some inspiration.

I always wrap up with Leader Light and it's super open ended it's basically, what do you want people to know? Just to drop some inspiration.

I want people to know that it is okay for people not to like you. Mmm, ooh, okay, it really is. You're not going to be for everybody, and that is okay because if you are for everybody and absolutely every single person out there loves you, you're probably holding some part of you back.