Get Real with Caroline HobbyTWINNIE: Getting Real About Her Breakup Soundtrack, Gypsy Family & Mental Health
Inside Twinnie’s Journey to #1: Her New Album “Something We Used to Say” is the Ultimate Breakup Soundtrack You Didn’t Know You Needed.
Twinnie is turning heads and breaking hearts with her new album Something We Used to Say, which just debuted at #1 on iTunes! Born into a gypsy family in the UK, Twinnie’s life has been a whirlwind of dreams, struggles, and grit, and it all pours into her latest release. She’s a force of nature – breathtakingly stunning, brutally honest, and unafraid to share the darkest corners of her story.
Something We Used to Say isn’t just another breakup album; it’s a raw, soul-stirring journey from heartbreak to self-discovery. Each track is a chapter in Twinnie’s life, from the unapologetic anthem Crazy Ex, to the edgy, addictive Hypothetically, to the heartbreak-laden ballad Bad Man.
But Twinnie’s impact goes beyond music. As an advocate for mental health and authenticity, she’s creating safe spaces for fans to connect and heal. Whether breaking barriers with CMT’s Next Women of Country or shining on screen in shows like Emmerdale, Twinnie is a rising star with an unstoppable voice.
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Adam Carlone. She's a queen and talking.
And so she's getting really not afraid to feel takes and so.
Just let it blow.
No one can do we quiet Carylone is sounding.
Caroline, Okay, I'm so excited to hear twenty how's it going good? I just want to know, because this is a real thing. You're so pretty. Has that been hard to be this pretty? I mean, I know a lot of beautiful people, but you're so beautiful, and you have this huge personality and you're such a star, and I just hope you're do people say, I just hope you're nice because you're so pretty.
So nice of you. I'm coming back here again.
This is great my ego I just speak to I was watching on your videos and hearing your sounds of my damn, I'm catching I'm catching feelings, like you said, and hypothetically like what if we like mess around and catch a feelings or something. I'm like, I think I'm catching some feelings.
You're so cool.
I don't really know what's saying.
Coming on strong? Yeah you are.
I know.
I come on lightly. It's really my personality. I come on like freaking all this.
I don't swing that way they do you. But it's nicey.
I made out with a few girls, but I've that part of my life is done well.
I appreciate it open Till recently, I was like, the day and scene here in Nashville has been pretty dire.
Talk to me about that.
It's so different for I don't know whether I say this on this podcast. Well, yeah, I recently met somebody who is great.
But before that.
I was like the bar Is solo and it's so different here because if I think.
Actually I said to this guy, I was like.
If you're hanging out with me, you're not hanging out with any of the girl I don't get that hangout thing. It just it's just not really a thing in the UK. What do you mean When people are like, do you want to hang out? I'm like, well, you're hanging out with me and only.
Me, like on the start or you're gonna stop. Like I'm like, what if you go.
On like a first do you need like two dates though? Before you know you want to only hang out with someone?
Are you just know?
I just mean like I want to know if somebody's being intentional with my time, like and then not like playing the field or like you know, like I'm one of ten and.
You know what is so awesome too about you?
And I feel this in your music is you're just mature. You can tell you've lived life.
And you know things, and you're not gonna settle for azy three she's three years old. That's why she's so studying.
I mean, you're ageless, but you can tell that you're just like no one's gonna pull one over on you, like you are here to be like yourself. You're here to be appreciated, but you're also like you understand how it goes and you're not gonna play games.
Yeah, I can.
Feel that you're good good? Well what's that like dating being that way?
I mean I feel like.
In music, that's what my messages always like, be yourself because I think like authenticity is like the highest vibriton frequency. You see that all online with like even certain careers they like sew themselves down to a tee and you're like, that's why people are resonanting with it and music the more personal you make it. But I think for dating, you know, I was in a long term relationship like ten years, and that's.
What your albums are.
Yeah.
See there's a song called bad Guy, Bad Guy. He wasn't a bad guy, It just ended really badly. He like emailed me to tell me it was over after ten years, yeah, and blocked me on everything, which now when I say it, I kind of laugh because I know the listener is probably going, she's psycho, you know, like what.
Did she do well?
And also you have a song called crazy X, which I love.
It's so relatable because I'm like, aren't we all somebody's crazy eggs? Yeah, but tell me, like, how do you date someone for ten years? And it ends with an email breakup? Like what went down?
And how did you do well? He did ask me to marry him. Well, he actually asked me if I wanted a ring or a Rolex for my birth there and I was like, I just wasn't ready, and I like no, And I kept going back and forth to Nashville, and I think, you know, I've learned. I've lived a lot, and I know I think like the more through that I think, the more that you live. And I travel a lot, and like the way that I grew up as a gypsy, like I'm constantly from a very young age, I could learn how to navigate people's like personalities and egos, and being in the music industry, you're always like, you know, trying to feel out a room. And I think, like, I don't think we were emotionally mature to fulfill each other's emotional needs.
I think we.
Met really young and we were like, yeah, you're my forever, and then Korea both of our careers. I think in order to make a relationship work, you have to put the relationship first and you both have.
To work together.
But we were living kind of separate lives, like he's in fashion, he owns a business, and I was trying to pursue music and that has always been my first love and he was super supportive of it. But the more we got older and it wasn't like ten full years, like we'd had breaks and we lived together and then we broke up, and then he moved.
He bought a house right around the corner from my house.
So it's like we dragged it out. We couldn't like get away from each of the.
Week because obviously it was a very deep person.
It was important Relationshipah, it was like one of the best loves of my life and it taught me a lot.
But it was a hard love, you know, and I think, you.
Know, I just kept coming back and forth to Nashville, and I think it just got to a point where we just wasn't like aligned anymore. I wanted different things and I wasn't admitting it. You know, he was the only thing keeping me in London. And then I think, you know, when I went on to it, it was just like having and it was over some petty little argument. I think I blocked him because he came back from a trip and he didn't message me when he was back, and I was being pretty toxic.
I was like block.
You know.
I would rather block people for like a day until I've cooled down, and then I don't have to say anything that I.
Will regret later.
I think I'm definitely feisty. I'll if I don't say it, my face will. But yeah, no, I've definitely mellowed out as I've got older and give people a lot of grace. I never used to understand that. I think like when you're young, you're like quite selfish about your own feelings and you're just very tunnel visioned. You can't really see anything, and then when you go through stuff, you're like oh yeah, well I was maybe wrong in that situation or like, so now I try and take a deep breath, and honestly, I think even having a dog has given me a lot of patience, do you know. It's like and it takes the focus off me. It's something to look after. And my dog's sunny.
Yeah, it's a great name. But for the most part.
Yeah, So I think we were both like trying to make it work and it just it wasn't going to work.
And he's not a bad guy, he really isn't.
He supported me a lot, but the way it ended is what really did the mass damage. And I was like, yeah, and I was convinced that there was someone else and were you right?
I think I was right? Yeah, you know, I was right. I found out that recently. I think I was right.
How does that feel to know you're right though?
Because amazing, amazing? I felt so no.
I lied and cheated, and like was like, I.
Don't think he cheated. I definitely don't think he cheated.
I think he didn't want to see me because he I'm like really good at reading people, and I know, especially with him, if he was lying to me, and I think I would have been able to tell that he just you.
Know, we wasn't treating each other very nicely.
Glad it probably ended.
No, I am so thankful to him because I wouldn't have had this album. I wouldn't have had like, yeah, I think he just set me free, like I didn't want to do it. If if he hadn't left me, I don't think i'd have left him. I mean I did leave him the first time, and then we tried to get back together and it was just never really the same.
But yeah, I recently sent him an email actually we love an email apparently mean him and still crack yeah for communication, very business. Hello.
I just said, look, I know he's with someone else, and I was like, no disrespect to your partner by sending this, but I feel like, you know, you should hear this album before the rest of the world does.
And he never.
Replied, but at least I felt I've done the right thing. He must be thinking and like he's not really on social media, but he must be like, this girl.
Is really dragged out this breakup, and I'm like.
Well, yeah, well ten years of like living you have a lot to write about, you know.
Yeah, And he was my best friend.
Process all that. I feel like every song is a different chapter to it.
Yeah, and it's a different emotion, some of them a little bit more rage than other, you know.
But what like being back out there though after being it because like you started fully dating probably when you're in your twenties, and now you're in your thirties, and so it's like, what is the difference because you had this whole life that happened in between, where you grew and evolved and learned so much about yourself and what you're looking for. But now the dating seems different. Are you dating different types of people? Are you looking for a different type of person?
Like?
How is it like now?
I when I moved to Nashville, it was a bit of a culture shock because of like the whole like I mean, ghost in is like massive here. Like I just don't get how people can't have a conversation just tell them, just be like hey. And I even say to my girlfriends, I'm like, don't ghost that person, like they deserve more than that. Just communicate effectively. Communication is everything, guys, reach like everything.
People are so scared of this.
So scared, and I don't know why, Probably because they're so used to like being on the phone, like I'm such a caller, like I or a FaceTime I need to see somebody's face, especially if we're having an important conversation. Like I feel like where there's conflict, to people care, it's not a bad thing. Like people think conflict is negative and it's not. It's just addressing the things that you need to address. Because sometimes with if you don't communicate effectively, and especially girls do this preach. They assume, we assume we've all done it, and then it's we spiral and it's like guys and girls just think completely differently. And I have gotten better definitely. I mean, I think I've always been a really good communicator because I grew up like my mum and dad's relationship was a bit of a sham. They divorce, Like, oh he had an affair like a kid to another woman, Like I love my dad and I'm so thankful he did that because I love my brother. But I think even growing up in that situation being a referee, be thankful. Oh, I mean, listen, shit happens in life. Life is messy. No, I try not to judge anyone because you know, if I have kids, I don't know what they're gonna do, you know, and we're all just like little kids trying to work it out. That's it what they're doing, and we're just trying to do.
Our best all the time.
And I think, like the communication thing for me is sometimes that's difficult in a romantic setting because firstly, you're very vulnerable when you get with someone. I felt very, very vulnerable after that breakup, and I think I just like dated a few people that were completely not right, but I just needed some attention or some like confidence boost to know that yeah, I was desirable and like I was a good person, you know, Like, but I mean when your confidence is that low. When he did that to me, I spent three weeks in my room like just I just didn't come out, like I was a shell of a person. And I think I'm a pretty strong person and I've been through a lot that nothing really bothers me. I'm like, it's all gonna work out in the end, but that completely I got dropped by my label in August, and then in the September he was gone, and I was like, I feel like the universe or God, whatever you.
Believe in, like is just like going okay. Clean slit. I'm like, no, I don't want this. I'm not rinting. I'm not stable enough for this.
So it was a very It was amazing because I got to know me again after all them years, which sounds really stupid, but it doesn't. What'd you find out that I'm really strong and I like myself. I really like myself.
Now that's huge.
I feel like that especially so many people, but women especially can't say that about themselves.
Yeah, I like myself.
I get a bit marshal because I think I think about like just everything that I've been through, and like, you know, I was talking to my friend, I've got this album coming out, and I'm like, too, you know, when people listen to it, it's like it's just another album, but they don't really realize like the process that you go through of like writing all that stuff, and the things that have happened since me breaking up.
Like one of them songs, the.
Way I Loved You, I got to debut at the Opera, and there's been even when I think about, like all the people that I've met, I'm going to get emotional because I love my friends, so all the people that I've met, and like the opportunities that have been given to me that would have never have happened if at a stage, And to me, that is like, although it hurt and growing and evolve and does her it's not easy, but I think about how much I love those people and I would never have met them, and that's like a really like really sweet feeling and just you know, you never know who is out there that you haven't met that's going to love you.
And I love that.
That's like, I get so emotional when I think about that because it was such a dark.
Road that I was on.
I mean, it's not even twelve o'clock and I'm already crying.
Get on.
I love some good years.
I'm an ugly cry you are not, and you're not an ugly anything.
It's not possible. That has not been determined.
But yeah, no, it's been wild and it's been amazing. And I think, like if I've learned anything, it's it's to be yourself. You really have to like be yourself and I get to know yourself and you have to get through all of your wiring, you know, because we're all born into an origin story, like with your parents with their ship in drama that they have you know or goodness, all of it.
You have to sift through that because you take on your parents'.
Energy, transitional, generational trauma, all that kind of stuff. I leant so much.
They can, but you manage it through it. What do you have to sift through? Like what was your upbringing? Like you said, you've been through your gypsy. Obviously your dad had another family, so like what was your childhood like? And you feel like people really well, so that obviously here comes the dogs.
Yes, emotional support, but like check my mica.
But you can read people.
So I know that if you can read people, that means because you learned how to at a young age.
Yeah, it's a trauma response for sure.
And I think I learn that I genuinely used to go after emotionally unavailable men because my dad is like that, Like never told us. He looked as like he'll say it's maybe when he's drunk. But I realized how strong my mom is, and like what trauma that she was left with, like risen pretty much three kids by herself, and I just don't know she didn't. I guess, like that's amazing thing about women, and like, yeah, I mean she was at the start and then I think she just got bored of his ship, to be honest, and like, the crazy thing about their relationship. The crazy thing about their relationship is she met my stepdad when she was broken up with my dad.
Wait wait, she met your stepdad who she's married to.
Now she's not married. They've been together seventeen years.
This is wild. So my mom and dad were going out and Hillary were going out. Paul and Hillary, Paul and Hillary, your mom and dad. So my mom is called Leslie, my dad's called John. Paul is my stepdad, and his lovely partner then was called Hillary. So they must have been split up. My mom and Paul met, had a bit of a kiss. Apparently she sent a letter letting ever got there. She got back with my dad. Yeah, he got back with Hillary.
Hold on, So she fell in love and she's like, I'm crying out to you. If you if you answer this letter, we can meet together. If not, I'm getting back with Paul, my dad John John. And then so she was like crying out for him.
Yeah, pretty much. But I have to thank the postman, the mailman, because you.
Are because I am here.
You know, you guys won't have this therapy session that we're having now. And yeah, they met leron in life and they've been together ever since.
My dad's remarried to Hillary. No, you can imagine Hillary this what no to Beverly.
Hillary never came back.
No no. But they're all really good friends. And that's the thing, like life just works out. Timing is everything, and.
That has been like one of the biggest like lessons I guess of this album because my first album was with my record label and.
It was like we're in therapy sessions at the beginning of all these songs.
That you put out. I'm like, I love your style, twinny Oh.
The Welcome to the Club that was done with BBR and BMG UK. So I released Hollywood Gypsy in the Pandemic, which I got it tattooed on my finger, and that was like basically my story, like grew up as a traveler, a romany gypsy and I loved Hollywood like movie musical, so MGM all like anything like singing, dancing, drama, loved. So that album was very like I don't know, it probably marketed to wards a UK like pop audience, and then came over to Nashville. We did this EP and then all them videos that we did because I wanted it to be like a film on people, to follow the journey. That one at the British Short Film Awards, and then a week later I got dropped by my label. I was like, cool, right, love it? I love it and me and everybody else. I think all the cool kids get dropped, to be honest, because.
They don't know what to do with them.
I mean that's what I think.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think, like I sometimes think I would be a lot more successful if I was just not as bothered and be like okay, yeah, I'll be molded, I'll do that. But I just I think, like everybody's superpower is being themselves and it's boring.
Yeah, how'd you land on that? Because your music's so cool? How did you land on you like yourself and you want to be yourself? So you started off in this childhood? Was it crazy from the start?
Yeah? I mean I I was so stressed. I was a baby.
I'd infantile alopecia. Probably from them too, your parents for the beginning. Yeah, I mean they just wasn't well matched, to be honest, But my I mean they're great, Like, no, there wasn't matched properly, and then yeah, no, I mean it was great living that life.
I'd go to school. I always felt like I was Hollywood Gypsy.
The album was based off a feeling that I always felt, and sometimes I feel that I feel like I've like emulated that by coming to Nashville, like growing up in two worlds. So we call a normal person in Rumness, which is a Gypsy language, that's called Rumness. We call a normal person a non traveler, a Gorgia. So going to school with all these gorgeos, non non travelers, it's called Gorgia, Gorgia, Gorgia. Okay, yeah, where were you traveling to Germany?
Europe? My dad?
Well, my dad would work, so he would go out find work and then get the trailer and then bring us over.
Yeah that's yeah.
And so y'all would travel as a family and live in different countries.
Yeah.
Would you learn all the languages?
I used to know a bit of German?
Was it hard to make new friends? We didn't.
I mean we were quite insular, to be honest, because all my cousins were there, so we were on.
A cat coming too.
Yeah, the cousins came also.
Yeah, how so well, that's how we live our life.
So your dad would get a job and the whole cousins would come to It wasn't like you know, like it wasn't like they'd be they'd work for themselves.
They had different companies, so.
They all just wanted to stay there.
Riafers builders, Yeah, that's it. They work separately.
But we'd all pull on like a camp site in Germany, Eastern Germany maybe, and then they'd go look for work in the surrounding areas. The men and then the women's place was very like much in the home looking after the babies. It reminds me a lot of Nashville, very conservative, like they all get married like at nineteen twenty one. So this seems like a lot of synergy between why I was like kind of drawn here.
Especially community.
Okay that you're living, well, we lived in northern England, Yorkshire, York, and then we used to travel like all around to Europe.
But yeah, there's like pictures of us.
You said, you'll all gather around at camps. That would y'all like live in mobile homes?
Like how would you?
Yeah? So what would it be called? He is it like.
Trailer parks?
Yeah?
Kind of really nice ones, like it's like a great place.
Yeah, like a trailer park, but it's not the same like trailers that you know, they're like portable ones, if you know what I mean.
I wish I could show you, and like they're kind of like permanent.
No you can you can take them, like you literally travel around with them.
So they would just decide what country you're going to go to, put the trailer on the car, drive there, all the whole family gathers up together, and then the guys go figure out what work to get. How did they know when it was time to move countries, because well, they'd.
Go they'd go figure out first, they'd go travel get some work.
Though, just to hop countries like this.
Yeah, I mean that's right. That's kind of like their lifestyle. That's what they've always done, the kind of no mods, I guess, and all go together. Well that's all I have ever known, really, that's kind of it was awesome. But then also mirror that with the fact that when I used to go to school, I used to get bullied for being a gypsy. That's why it's in a lot of fights at school.
Would you fight back?
I mean, I won't would you mess with me?
No?
What?
No?
Do you throw some punches? Yeah? Yeah, yeah a lot? Yes, you did.
Well.
I'm the oldest of all. And my siblings used to get bullied.
Do you all get bullied?
You know?
I mean I gypties.
I mean it was more so at secondary school. I did get And and that's another thing. Most travelers, especially well boys and girls, they don't go to school past the age of eleven.
So the girls will go like be with a mom a mom and like help clean up and do women stuff. And then the.
Boys would go out to work with the dad. That's just our way of living.
So the traveler way of living is a lifestyle. There are like, did you know other travelers?
Yeah? A network. Yeah, I can spot a traveler when they come to Nashville.
What's a traveler like?
Like, it's like the way they talk, the way they dress, the way that they act.
It was like, tell me how they talk, dress and act.
I don't know. It's it's really difficult. It's just a vibe that.
They can just adjust it.
Yeah, and especially if they're speaking Rumness, I can understand it. So they're speak Rumnus okay, which is a Gypsy language, and also you've got like different kind of for the sake of the audience understanding, like different kind of tribes. I guess you've got Irish Gypsies and travelers and Roman Gypsies, and each of them have kind of got like their own way of doing things and just culturally different. But yeah, it was honestly kind of wild growing up because when you've got this community and I felt like, you know, couldn't really be myself completely myself in a Gypsy community because fitter roll and also like going to school with a lot of gorgeous as well. I don't they knew I was a traveler, so some of the stuff I didn't agree with them on and it was like, oh, what do I want to be a gorge or a traveler?
Do you know what I mean?
And I'm like no, just it took me a while to realize I can just be myself, you know, very profound, you know. But then also come in to Nashville as well and working out how everything kind of works and moves, and like just the industry and it's so different to like the UK and music industry. Like I'm like, oh, yeah, this is I just don't fit in those lines. And I'm never gonna so I just have to accept it and just like do my own thing, and who gets it, gets it, who doesn't does it, doesn't?
It's fine. And I don't like, I've never set out.
To make music for anyone else really apart from myself in the in a way like when I'm when I'm writing, I'm not thinking of like this is going to be like a number one hit song and this is going to be on radio. Like my mind doesn't go there. It goes like what am I feeling right now? What do I need to say? And then if I like it enough and I think it's worthy enough for other people to hear it, I put it out and just hope and pray for the best that people like it.
Do you know what I mean?
So you're a true artist?
Yeah?
Really Unfortunately unfortunately.
For me, I get that, And honestly, I think it takes longer maybe sometimes to like I don't even know what the goals are, because like what is the goal? You know, Like the goals are so many things.
To be the first British female to ever have an American country number one happened? No, I don't think that's happened I might have to fact check that, I'm sure, but it's not happened in a while, so maybe a.
Lot of British people having country hits. Do you want country? Are you open to all genres.
Or because like you, I mean all genres is fine, But I do want an American country number one. Maybe I could do it with a duet hypothetically, No, your duet?
Oh sorry? Sorry? Sorry sorry? Can you hear me?
Wait? Your duet?
Is that called?
Which one's the duet? Take a break? That's good?
Yeah, it's so good.
Who doesn't want to take a break from taking a break?
Yeah?
I know when you've been in like a long relationship to.
Take a break from the break up.
Yeah, I feel like that was a true story. Yeah, it was about your ex.
I wrote it with Max Spoyle, who was also growing through a break up at that point, and we were just so miserable, so miserable, like probably made each of the worst, but we've got a great.
Song out of it.
Well that's thing. Are both in the same spot.
Yeah, but that was funny actually looking back at that, right, because we were both just so down, like just just want to take a break from this, like pin.
Like where's he going to stop. I remember the first.
Probably probably the first four weeks, I didn't, you know, It's like I didn't eat, didn't sleep, couldn't get my mind to rest, and I was looking on TikTok and it kept going, he's going to come back in five days if you just like this.
I was lik it, You're like, I'll do anything. At this point.
Oh, it was desperate.
I was liking every horoscope thing, and then every time it turned on my TikTok, it was like, save this sound and he'll come back in three seconds, he'll text you. And I'm like, I don't even care if it's not real, and like for those two seconds and gave me some hope.
I was like, he's going to come back. He's going to come back. It's it's all going to be all right. He's gonna realize how much she's miss me.
You know. Oh he didn't, and thank god he didn't. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.
When was the breakup.
Two years ago?
Okay, yeah, so how did you get.
That's why this twenty two song was on the album, because he broke up with me in twenty twenty two.
Stop it, Stop it.
You really had to like Grapic you needed it to be perfect. It's a huge chapter of your life. I mean, of course it needed to be perfect, I know. But now we're onto the new chat.
To that, I'm like, hypothetically, No, well that's a good like segue. Hypothetically is on this album. But happy Hour, Oh, it's real good. It's real good. It's kind of like do Welypa Chapel Roone.
You're kind of like.
Risky in your songs too, Like you talk about like hooking up and like, yeah, fucking pretend that you love me even if you don't. First, I'm like, damn, I think that's why I'm so intimidated you.
So I'm like, you're so cool, you know things, and you're likely willing, and now you' people up like back in the day. I'm like, I'm not gonna like you. You cover all the bases twenty.
Well I did, really, I didn't beat people up like I was about thirteen fourteen. It's a difference, Like, I know you've protected probably you doubt.
He hit me.
I'm like, yeah, I did, But you're not scared to get in there. That's what I'm saying.
I'm just not scared of anything.
How when did that happen? When did that dog off?
Kids? I don't have kids, So I think that makes.
You like probably because now you've covered all the bases with yourself that you're you like yourself, You know yourself, You've lived through so many things, you've overcome so many things.
You know what you're good at, you probably know what you're not. Like, you've just sorted through your stuff.
So now it's like, and you've probably have been in situations that you've survived. You know that we're really painful and hard, so it's like, Okay, you're good, Yeah, but throw a kid in there and then it's a whole new yeah.
And I don't.
I mean, the nearest thing I've got is let my dog, and I can't even can I even think about that dog going like dog really did save my life.
But I think about life like this, like in one hundred and fifty years, we're all going to be dead. Nobody's going to remember any of us.
It doesn't matter anything that we do, but it does, do you know what I mean? Like people never like remember anything other than how you make them feel. That's it. So I think my mind set is like I do want to make a difference, Like, obviously I want to be at a point in my career that I don't have to beg to go on tour with somebody. Oh I don't have to like get an email and them say, oh, well it's a buy on. I'm like, no, I'm not getting in debt, like I want to go on to it because you want me there, or like I can do a headline tour and I've got that in the UK, but I'm trying to get that here.
And I think, like I want to be successful.
I am successful, you are successful, but I would like to be even more successful because I am a connection person. I'm like very emotional. I feel my feelings. I know what it feels like to be alone, and I want my songs to reach as many people as possible just to I want to be I want to be of service to people. I want to be of service because I think that's my gift in this life and purpose. So I think whatever desire is planted in your heart, like on a timeline somewhere, you've already got it. So I think you have to become it before you are it. And now that I'm in like a different energetic space things seem to be. I think I was just like chasing, chasing after people like hey, I am talented, Hey can I'll play that show? I like, you know, and I'm like, no, I don't need to, Like I'm really not interested in the whole fickle like, oh now we'll now now now you're cool, you know, now now that you've proved yourself and you've done all the work, now we'll have a meeting with you or take you on.
I'm like, I'm just not that way. I've never been that way.
I've got I've had friends since I've been like, you know, the same friends since four years old. Like the people that I love, I will literally do anything for them, and I try and show up for people because I feel like your word is important. I'm generally always late, which is a thing I'm working on.
But I do show up. I show up, and I just love the.
People that have shown up for me in this town and they had no need to that I didn't have anything going on. And what's cool is like all these little moments like I just played the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Opry ways another like milestone and I've already been here a year and a half, that's it, And at first I'm trying to but it's because of them as well, and it's like nice that I get to share that with them. That's what I want. That's what makes it for me that I get to share that sort of stuff. And also on like a personal level now at a point where I'm like, I want to share my life with someone. I want to build a life with someone and for them to bear witness to it, because after time I spend on my phone alone editing to get like I don't know, two hundred foods or people. You know, I'm like, god, it's hilarious, Like consistency is everything twenty just like, let's go keep on.
I freaking love you. You are speaking like the inside of my mind.
You know, if I do ever quit the music industry, I'm going to start a podcast and like be like the Bridgeton of Nashville and I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell I'm just gonna explose everyone.
No, I'm jerking, no, but I really.
I started this nonprofit called ie Woman because I was absolutely horrified of how many women were not on the radio. I was like this, this, this doesn't happen in the you kids like best song wins.
Really yeah, it doesn't matter how cool you are, what politics you have.
I mean there's politics everywhere, but I feel like I'm also in this town that it is a bit that it's been difficult to navigate, Like I don't understand the system.
The politics don't make sense.
And also there's so many amazing female artists that why are they not on the radio And it's like, oh, they people don't want to listen to female artists.
I'm like, yeah they do.
And the most can I just say, the most international artists of all time are females Shanaya, Dolly, those who I.
Grew up with from the UK, Like, oh globally, do you know what I mean? So I don't know.
I'm like a very girl's girl and just don't don't get it. But I'm not gonna like I'm not complaining about it. I'm just like it's one of them things that you're just like, all right, I just got to find a new another way in, you know, a new way in what's your method?
Just be so good that they diagnore me.
I think it's happening.
No, I just want to be myself and I want people like, you know, I am not like a Leany Wilson. I mean, I love that girl, She's one of my friends, but I'm not like I do veer on the more poppier side of things because I love to dance, so it's more like in the Land of Shanaia Megan tRNA Miley, like, I think my writing is very country esque of like storytelling, but I like to sprinkle it with a bit of you know, pop. But it's to be honest, like country now is just like pop music. That's what pop means. It popular culture, and it is. It's like massive in Europe, and I just I just find it's funny sometimes that people will give you any excuse to say no. And obviously I'm British, I'm not from here. I'm doing country creature prop music. It's like there is a weird that a mold that you have to fit and I don't. But then I'm like, you know, Jelly Jelly's story is really inspiring and hardy, like they get played on rock radio as well. I don't hear anybody saying, I mean, they're already successful, so I guess you can do what you want when you get to that level.
That's like, but they came out with rock influences. They didn't hide it.
Yeah, I'm not trying to hide it, and I'm never you know, it's up to the listener at the end of the day, just let the song do.
They're talking. I don't need to decide why we don't even label people these days, So why do I have to decide?
Like?
Why am I? Seriously?
You have to pick a genre. You don't have to pick a sex.
Yeah, exactly, like I don't.
I'm like some of some of it is like more pop, and then some of it is like country, and it's all me.
It's different parts of me.
It's your expression. Yeah, I love that.
I'm got to show you this new video for Downs with Somebody Else. It basically I thought I was like beyond saying it.
You are.
I mean you okay, so you want dance because you have I do I did cool.
You're sexy. I mean you're not scared to put all your vibes out there too.
I'm figuring you everywhere.
With I state what I see. Okay, I was knowing the truth. Thank you?
So where did that all come from? Did you grow up dancing so in this gypsy lifestyle. When did you start transferring into the arts. When did you find dance? When did you find music? When did you start pursuing it? Did you got people help you pursuing it?
Well?
Hard road for you.
Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna lie to I'll show you a video. Mean nine, I was always very quick to lend things. Nine months old, I was like kind of singing and walking around. I think girls are like that anyway. But four years old I did, like my first job on stage. I just was always that way out. I always wanted to intend, probably because that's how I got attention off my dad. If I'm being serious, it is that, you know, like, if I think about that, it's probably the only time that I used to like get his attention or would get praise or approval. And then I did loads of musical theater, amateur dramatics, that kind of thing.
I left home at fifteen. Where'd you go?
Went to do like a stage school, drama, music college way by yourself?
Yeah? At fifteen? Yeah, were you afraid? No? Well, look do I do you think I'm afraid of anything?
But how at fifteen I was afraid?
Today when that dog got loose.
My friend's dog escaped on me and I was running down the road. I was like, this dog's going to give me a heart. So I gets so fine and got back. But that did scare me.
How were you not afraid to be by yourself at fifteen? What were your parents like with you growing up? I mean, I'm the oldest girl and I was left. I mean my mom worked like three jobs, so a lot of the times that I would like look after my younger siblings.
But I mean we weren't left like.
But you you watched, yeah, and you were kind of in charge.
Yeah, at a younger boss. Yeah. Did you like that or was that hard?
No?
I liked it. Probably I was. I was bossing to my siblings.
You know.
I had like very headstrong, always very headstrong, and I just I loved like, I love dancing, I love singing. I used to get my siblings to do little shows to show my mom when she got back, like bless them. But yeah, I did a lot of musical theater. Cut to I was eighteen and got a job with Brian May from Queen you know, the band in a musical called We Were Rocky?
Did that?
Then quickly realized that I didn't want to be in the ensemble you wanted to be in. I was like, God, I'm such a narcissist, so like such an intention seeker. I was just like, I want the limelight me thank you.
Everyone wants that you're born with that.
I just yeah.
So then I played Val mckelly in Chicago at twenty one, and then just kept getting like Ariel and Footloots. It was all these roles that you had to be able to sing, dance and act. And then it was getting to the point where there was like reality TV people that was going on reality TV shows and then getting the jobs just to put bums on seats, and I was like no. I was like, get me on Telly, because I want to be able to keep my job and have any job, do you know what I mean?
So I did a bit of TV.
You still do TV?
Yeah, TV movies, that's fun in Europe, films, TV shows. I've just finished one called Emmadal Like. I like deal over in Europe, right, Yeah. I like being like in and Out worked with Glenn Close and Christine's letter Around the Wife.
It's just like a really good.
Way of like exercising my brain in a different kind of artistry. I guess it all helps me, I think with my music videos and stuff. And then I didn't know how to get into music. I've been writing all my life. I didn't know what co right was, never heard of that. And I met this manager through the musical theater show that was doing.
We kind of worked together. Met a guy called.
Ben Erle who is in a band called the Shires, but I was obsessed.
With Lady Here, so we wrote a lot of duets together.
And then somebody wanted to sign us, and I was like, yeah, I'm an I'm a solo artist, but you can go off and do your own thing, and he did, and he found this girl called Chrissy who was an amazing, amazing singer, and they had a whole career, like they're one of the biggest like country pop bounds in the UK and they kind of opened the gateway to country music.
So that's real.
Yeah, but no, it wouldn't. It wouldn't have been me. It wouldn't have been me because it wouldn't have been lasted. It wouldn't have lasted No. But it's it's really funny because like they were signed and I wasn't. Then I got signed and then they got signed to my record label.
And do you ever feel any like I don't know if the word I'm gonna say is jealousy, but I don't know if that's it.
Like, do you ever.
Feel any envious envious of like, oh, that could have been me, but like you're so self aware you know that that wasn't supposed to be for you, but still you were right there and then something takes off.
Do you ever feel like, damn it?
I think envy is a very human emotion.
It's like just showing you, like where you want to be and where you're at now. I think it's actually kind of a useful tool, like an emotion. I think there was definitely a few moments in the beginning that they played the brit Awards and I was like that that could have been me. But then I was like, no, twenty no, because we probably we'd have probably argued over song choice, and it just like, you know, I'm very headstrong, I know I want it. So I was proud of myself and that because now my journey is like it's been like this, but it's been really cool. And then you know, you said I like to dance I grew up as a dancer, so I used to do a lot of commercial dancing. So I don't know what you're we call it strictly come dancing dancing with the stars. I used to be like one of the dancers, like Julian Huff, not like the celebrity, like the actual they would bring in like dances to dance.
Dancer, She's always the dancer.
Oh yeah, yeah, dancing with So I wasn't one of the twelve, but they'd bring us in for extra support. And then like did like all the promo for Robin Thick and Pharrell for They Want It in the UK and dance with like Michael Bublin, just In Timblick and like just like one off shows did Wembley.
It's like that the.
Yeating that close with all those celebrities dancing with them.
What is it like because that's a different relationship, like to be dancing with Justin, Timberlake and Pharrell and who.
Else did you say?
I mean when you say dancing, it's only like like for TV.
Shows you just like you people are in that space, I think, I mean to be honest, I mean, I I feel like that was the best training because on a like team level. If you're out like you're doing a move and you're out with the rest of us, like, you just can't be you have to work as a team. So I've realized, like I just really thrive in community, Like I love that kind of team effort. Like I also like being the center of attention.
I do, Like you just like entertainment.
I do.
I just like at this point, I just think I'm here for comedy morale, just trying to keep everybody spirits up, you know.
But you've learned so.
Much and you've integrated it into who you are, Like I can tell, like, and that's why you said, like I like myself. I can tell like you just have integrated your life lessons. You've done the work, You've figured it out, like you've figured out the lessons, and like, well, it's never done.
I'm still learning them. I'm not avoiding them.
I think I'm aware. Sometimes I'm completely not aware. You know, I've got good friends that like, do you know you did this? I'm like, oh no, that'd be my IDHD. I'm sorry about that, but yeah, no. I think for the most part, people give me a lot of gris and I tried to do the same people.
We're all just trying to figure out. Guys, that's the true.
So what does success look like to you? So now you're an actress, you have a wild upbringing that's like taught you so much, made you so well rounded. You know, you've gone through a hard breakup, write great music, you're a great dancer. Like you have all these things that you know you're good at that you love outlets to do them. What but you've seen a lot, You've seen the other side. You know what's on the other side of the veil.
What is success to you?
Know?
I think I would really like to to That would be cool. I would be like, I'd love to be successful enough that financially I can support myself by having children. On a real level, yeah, I mean, have a successful relationship, get married. I'm such a hopeless romantic, Like I want like what's in the movies, Like I want to buy marry my best friend. And because I think like at the end of the day, that's all that really matters, and doing it with someone is so much easier that you can lean on someone and me, you know, for them to lean on me as well. I'm just like all about my family and friends really, but I think, yeah, I'm trying to do this to show that young Gypsy kids out there that you can follow your dreams. And you know, there's not much opportunity for that culture because they're kind of isolated in a way from society, and I'm trying to be a good role model.
And do it for Yorkshire, but also to prove that it can be done. I like want to make history in a big way.
I want to leave. I want to leave my mark. So that's what success is. And whether that is through acting, you know, like popping off on a TV show and then then coming back to music or you know, it happens with the song, I think it's going to happen when you least it, when you least expects it. But just to maintain the consistency and not lose my mind doing it.
That'd be nice.
Just maybe make some money once in a while, that'll be nice.
I don't get it, honestly, I don't get it.
If you guys only knew what we went through for no money, for no money, and it's wild. And that's why I really really respects artists because I think just creatives in general, because their hearts are not in it when none of us ever started and be like, oh yeah, I want to do this because I want to be rich. That's not that's a byproduct success, fam money. It's a byproduct of like the song doing well enough.
Do you know what I mean? But you don't.
It's a life sentence. You can't escape it.
Like, no, my husband's the same kind of artist you are, Like he's been in it since he was ten and has had a million reasons to not be in it.
But when you are a.
True artist and it truly is like what you came here to do, even when you get crushed and your spirit is broken, you still figure out how to regroup.
Yeah. It's like, it's not how many times you can get knocked down, it's how many times.
You get back up.
And as soon as I'm broke and I'm like, okay, where's my kids?
I could write about it, and then it's you know, there's nothing, but.
You're like tortured because you can't escape it. It's not like you can escape it.
You have to put it, put yourself out there some way.
You asked me what success looks like, and now reconsidering, I'm like, I'm looking for the quickest way to retire.
And then just write music for fun and put it out and it takes off great. Yeah, brilliant, brilliant set of getting out of the struggle in the grind and the suffering the pain of the song.
Yeah, I'm all of the grind. I'm really I'm all with the grind. I mean I do grind, don't get me wrong.
Have you grinding a long time?
Yeah, I'm just an international superstar.
So I'm gonna just go a bed and listen, and you're gonna deliver. You've already self aware. You're not gonna blow your career up. You already know you've learned all the hard lessons. Like you're a perfect candidate to be a superstar.
Thank you.
I think you would handle it well. You're aware of your mental health. You know, like you're not gonna self destruct.
I think you're ready.
I like, do joke over that, I'm like international super star. I'm like, I'm kind of joking, but I'm not. Hey, if somebody's gonna believe in me, and this will be me, I believe in you.
I think you have it. I'm ready to see it.
I just think like being famous is like so it's such an odd concept. Like I get I got hiss of it a little bit when I was on a TV show back in the day, and I did not like it.
I'm like, I won't be.
Able to Like, I dress like a scruff off the time, Like I don't want to have to do my makeup like all the time. That's all part of your charm.
Yeah, you just have to keep doing you. That's the best catch on. That's the best part in me anyway.
Like I look scriffy and then she looks like the ugly dove clin and then I come out and I look like the swan.
I'm like, scribbed up. Well, that's not true. You never liked that.
I do.
But it's look really cool, casual, chill, chill, thanks. But the thing is, it's just the ride.
It's such a ride. What a journey you've had? Twenty How did you get the name? Twenty? And we'll wrap up because RAMA said an hour?
But tell me, is there anything else we need to talk about that you need the world to know because I want you to share all of your copery.
CMT next one of the country. Why did you not want to blow up in Europe?
First?
How did you decide to you want to make it already a really.
Big deal in Europe of just trying to like crack America.
Okay, okay, great, so you have literally I mean.
I definitely think I've got fan base. There were still grow in for sure. Like I'm in terms of like artists like levels, I still consider myself a baby artist, especially here. But yeah, I don't know like this this place as much as it sometimes like kills me, it's like it fulfills myself. I just I don't want to leave. Yeah, but the aim is not to be national famous, is to be international. You know, I am international, so I got to make it back home as well. You know, my name twenty it is real. That's my birth name is twenty Lee. More So, twenty Lee is actually my first name, and it's because my grandma's cousin had a twin and she always got the nickname twenty and her real name was Jane Lee, so they just added the two together. But isn't that weird? Like everyone just calls me twenty anyway, but twenty ly that sounds like such a country name. So yeah, but my actress name is twenty Lee Moore. Oh yeah, what's your favorite acting role you've ever done?
Mm?
I like the musical theater stuff that I've done more so. I mean, I did play good character recently in Emma Dale called Jad and she was a bit of a baddie.
Did you like that? Yeah?
Is it fun to play a baddy?
It's real fun?
Yeah? Like what did you do's?
She's kind of a.
With a with a heart, I guess, but like I can't really say what I'm about to do because it's not out yet, but yeah, it was real fun.
Yeah. Why do you like playing that kind of role?
I like playing funny characters and then deranged characters or baddies because I think it's so opposite to myself.
Maybe not the funny.
People laugh at me a lot, but I think that's only because my accent, to be honest, I don't know, they're like twiny. I'm like, I don't talk like that. I'm like, bless your heart, y'all. I'm so happy to be here, you know, like just do it back to the mimic them back. But yeah, I love aac soon love impression and you love like.
Just kind of getting outside of yourself. That's not scary too, because you're not scared. You're not scared of anything.
No, Like you on stage is like the safest pliss I feel.
You're not scared of people having reaction to what you put out there.
Artistically, I mean, I'm just like, oh, and that's about like murdering your husband. So obviously not there was a lot of women that did like that track. No, I just I think, like, to me, a song is like a show. It has to ebb and flow, and I think about the music video when I'm writing the song, so I already know what that is going to be like. And music it's fun, it's not too it's not meant to be like too serious all the time. I mean, this album has a lot of depth to it because it came from like a heartbreak plis. But you know, just like Eh, it's about murdering your husband. It's tongue in cheek and the hook is like Luckily it's legal to kill you and all my songs, you know, it's a bit. It's called just like Eh because it's this twin sister to Goodbye Ell from by the Chicks.
But yeah, I don't know, I love it just like I just like I like music. I like my dog.
I want my friends and family, and I like my bed and I'd like to sleep a little bit more. So maybe I know I'm wishing for success, but then that means I'm going to sleep less.
So I love it.
Okay, so I'll wrap up. But first off, what are you looking for in a guy?
Because all the people who are single out there who are going to want to date you, what are you looking for?
And I like to matchmakes so I just want to know. Well, I'm already dancing.
Oh okay, so you're like off the market? Yeah, well what were you looking for?
Like?
What has materialized into this next person that you're dating? Just someone that doesn't make me question that he likes me and is kind and funny and yeah, am I going red? I feel like I'm going red? I'm going red?
Yeah? Yeah, I met someone recently and he's really cool and he's just not it's very different and we're aligned.
We've got similar morals and values and that's that's really cool.
I love that. Okay.
I always wrap up with leave your light okay, and it's open ended, just some inspiration.
What do you want people to know?
I think when I love this quote and it says, when you shine your own light, it gives others permission to shine their own. And I think if you're going to take away anything from this podcast, I think being yourself is your superpower.
And don't.
Don't like let's society is expectations or family friends like make you doubt yourself, because that's what this world profits off a lot of the time.
So being yourself is kind of a rebellious act. So be rebellious. I love it.
Will you stick around for a tiny little bonus episode of Sole Questions? Yeah, and it's like Sole Questions. Yeah, but I feel like you're that's you. Yeah, that's me all over it. Okay, okay, we'll just a quick episode.
Thank you so much to tell me the details something we used to say November eighth.
Yes, I'm very nervous. I feel sick, you do, why, just.
Because I just wonder what people are gonna There's just a lot of my heart out.
On on show. So but I'm proud of it. I think the writing's great, I think the production is great.
I feel like it's it's kind of it's weird for me to describe this album because I'm like, they're going to decide the audience is going to decide, but I feel like it's very me and it feels fresh.
I don't know, I love it. I love what i've heard.
What's out so good?
Thank You Hypothetically is such a sexy daity song. I'm like, oh my god, you're so cool.
You're so cool. It makes me nervous.
I'm telling you, Wow, you're so cool. I'm not cool, Yes you are.
I mean I'm cool. I like myself too, I really like myself. It took me a long time to get there, but.
Like, I love it. She's so cool and hop as well.
I genuinely love myself. But I'm I've lost my cool factor.
I think you really haven't.
Okay, well, thanks, I'm gonna take it twenty Never never.
Try and be cool anywhere. Nobody likes cool. Be warm. You're warm, that's cool. Warm, Yeah, be warm like that.
Who wants to talk to somebody that's too cool? Drying so much of their own cool it It's like, all right, Matt thinking of your rock stet, like, no, go with piss off. I love your twenty You're amazing. Okay, you'r the best sole questions coming up?
You're so fine?
Thank you so much for coming on out.
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