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“2004 ALCS: Game 4” with David Ortiz | Red Sox vs. Yankees

Published Feb 15, 2023, 10:02 AM

On today’s episode, we’re reliving the legendary Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS and the series as a whole. We go back to the world of pop culture in October of 2004 (9:35). We revisit the 2004 MLB season and breakdown the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry (14:43). Big Papi joins the show to talk ball and take us inside that legendary comeback of a series (38:03). Jules & Sam break down the legacy of this one and give it a score (1:19:27).  

October seventeen, two thousand and four, Fenway Park, Boston, Massachusetts. The Red Sox are down to the Yankee three, game to zero. Surely nothing can go wrong here. The Curse of the Big Bambino is alive and will bottom of the twelfth tied four to four. With a two to one count, the ball cracks off David o Tay's bat deep to right field. It's going, It's going. This is the two thousand and four ALCS. Hello and welcome to Games with names presented by When Bedtime Julian Edelman. I'm Samuel. We're on the search to find the greatest game of all time. This one is certainly not it. I have to tell you I think this is a great game. Hey, I almost what does the ghow up? What game is it? I almost didn't show up? What is this game? It's the two thousand and four ALCS Red Sox Yankees. We're talking game four. They were down three to zero. This is the game that kept them alive. God damn it. It was in Boston. We're gonna be joined by David Ortiz later. I don't like Goortiz, but I respect Ortiz. He is a likable player. He is a postseason clutch as they come type of guy. We'll talk about what's going on in the world in October in two thousand and four, we'll take a look back at both of these teams in the series as a whole, and we'll wrap it up by naming and scoring the game. This is a tough one for me. I remember this closely. I do too. I was on the West Coast. I was, well, we're eighteen right here, yeah, seventeen eighteen yeah, And this is kind of my introduction. Really, we were barely legal, both of us, barely, but legal, barely barely. There was there was grass in the field, so let's play ball that and if there's not, you roll around playing them. I'm just joking, just an inside fun joke. Yeah, inside fun joke. I will say this series pissed me off. I it was tough because Yankees fans were I have to admit, we were spoiled rodden in the nineties. We had four we won what four and five years? It was something insane, was ninety six, ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand. So I was aware, obviously of the curse of the Bambino. The Red Sox fans were struggling. They won in Boston, they won another I mean in you know, the Celtics are a dominant franchise, but baseball is different. It was very different, and like I was saying, this is my introduction really to the Boston New York rivalry. This nationwide was huge because you know, we were to always talk about back in these days, we could only get the broadcast of your really local teams, and this was just such a huge game because everyone knew the curse of the Great Bambino Babe Ruth trade goes to the Yankees, and everyone you know on the West Coast didn't really I we hated the Yankees because they were always winning. They were they were the cream of the crop, they were everything. They it seemed like every year they were winning World Series, and so I was a hate rafting team. I mean, the ninety six team that won it. You think the Yankees is buying up players now, but a lot of those dudes were like, we drafted Jeter, we drafted Mariano, paul O'Neil, We traded for Bernie, we drafted Andy Pettitt. You know, these it felt more homegrown. So it was a great time to get into the Yankees. My grandfather was a Yankees fan. I'd sit on his lap and watch the games astle as a little kid. My intro is Don Mattingly, who's like one of the coolest athletes ever. They had Wade Bogs, all these mustachioed gentlemen just swiping the ball. Such a cool team. But uh, I admit we were spoiled. I have to say, as you know, like a rugged, tough guy, I didn't know the aura between this rivalry and I just always saw, you know, the Yankees were clean cut eyes and their you know, pinstripes, and then you saw the Boston people just tough, dirty, muddy Johnny Damon with this beard, you got the captain behind the plate, vera Tech, you got big, poppy hitting dingers. And it was just for me, as someone that wasn't in this rivalry quite yet, I just felt like I was connected to Boston from the very begin I understand it. They were the underdog. I have to remove my bias here and talk about this as a you know, as just a pure sports fan, and I'm a Yankees fan, but that Red Sox team it was meant to be. I've never seen I mean three to zero had never happened in baseball hits. Ever, I didn't think it was. I believe I was. I'll tell you I got nervous. I didn't. I just no, you didn't. I was nervous. You were not nervous. After Game four, You're like, I go on, Once they won this game, I was like, fuck, I didn't think. I thought the Yankees would put it away. But you know the momentum, the Red Sox are playing with house money, because when you're down three to zero, no one expects you to win. So I was a little nervous when when there's when the pressure is in a weird way off, you can really just play your best baseball. And that's what they did, and they had. I mean, Jeter was as clutch as they come, but for one swing to end a game, no one was more clutch than David Ortiz. They just weren't. I mean the series before against the Twins in Game seven, HiT's a walk off homer. His former team he was, he was a twin. What did you call him? He was a dented can can he was damaged goods and I got him. Do you have what was his name? It was? Back then? He was going by David Arias. Arias. I think it was his mom's last name, and there was a whole switch. Let me look into it here. Yeah, respect the mom, but you know we when he got to Ortiz, it was like all different. Guy, David Areas doesn't sound as cool as Ortiz, just because now that's what we know him as. And I love this Yankee team. That's what it was tough for me, is like, dude, they had my guy, Pasada. I loved Pasada, he was I love Catchers. And then on your the Red Sox, they had Verita here, tech captain, tough guy, he led the team, flag carrier, the team he had a little was Pete on here Pedroia. Now yet this is a little This is Poe, This is pre pre p d Johnny Damon. Yeah, Kurt Schilling with the bloody sock game. Fucking hated Shilling. I'm glad he's broke, piece of shit. Eh. Fuck that dumb video game investing motherfucker. He'll always have the bloody sock on us. But that's all he'll have. What if that video game was like Fortnite, he'd be laughing at the bank right now. His investment skills were not as clutch as postseason skills, that's for sure. And did we do? Was it real blood? You know he had the blood or was that like ketchup or something? I heard there's like some water. See what's going on? What was it? Jack? There are a lot of truthers out there that think it's, you know, catch up something else. But I mean everything is said blood from this in the stitches? How do you glued from your from your leg? Like that was his foot? What was it when he hit web MD? Real quick? I'll put that up? How about uh? I mean yeah, that Red Sox team was tough. I mean many Ramirez I remember a sports center every night, Manny being Manny shut the fuck up. There's so many good stories about you know, Manny Ramires in that in that locker room and just his antiqusy. You know when I would go to Fenway, they'd always take me in the little back airy. Remember he used to go in the back the green wall. He would go in the green wall to take a pit. I heard a lot of times he'd go in there. Yeah, he I think he would go pee in there or something. A lot of times I heard he was just eating a hot dog. You know, some of these guys would like, in between their hits, they'd go play video games. Like the Red Sox just had a coolness. Maybe that's how Corich Shilling did himself. In in between hits, he was playing video games. He's like, this will be my calling. It could have been and he lost everything every this This was a tough team. They had Pedro. Obviously Pedro in his prime. I think Pedro is the most un hit able picture I've ever seen. I've never seen a picture like that in my life. Who' he toss around in the in the fight, don Zimmer, Don Zimmer, he threw an old man. That wasn't That wasn't cool. A fight broke out. We got to pull the picture up. Don Zimmer. He was like pushing eighty and he congrats, you body slammed a senior citizen. Sam, you get in the lions, Dan, you get hit? You get my eating by a lion, buddy, he did. You gotta eat enough fully that that was kind of guy. Pager was tough guy. That's not cool. That's disrespectful. It was on the cover of the newspaper. It was so disrespectful. New York newspapers had old man Zimmer laid out, why don't you beat up Hans Zimmer while you're at it? To why don't you beat up every old person? Awesome? Oh he's the best, good good focus music. Oh the best. You do a little hon Zimmer score to get in the zone. Oh, that's what I do. That's so, that's what I used to play. Pregame one of the goats. Yeah, I'd play like the Inception soundtrack or the Interstellar soundtrack. Great soundtracks. Uh. He even had like some of the nineties hit like hits. He had a bunch of those, Like you didn't even realize there was just so many great tracks by him. But that's that's what takes a movie from like an eight to a ten. Is this music? Sin for Me is a huge saving seven of ten. I mean, like you know, Danny Elfman, the other one, fucking Simpson song, Midnight Run everything, everything. Well, let's go back to October seventeenth, two thousand and four. The number one movie was The Grudge. Never saw that when it was a grudge? What is a grudge? That was that horror movie where the girl crawled out of the TV and remember that, No, that's the that's the ring hold on, Jack, we are we correcting? Jack? What are we this? Locked in? Did you listen to? Do you listen to Zimmer right before this? Because we're fucking locked in, locked in? Hold on the Grudge? Number one song in America, My Happy ending by that Avril Levine. I remember her? Yeah, skater Is she the reason for boy being spelled bo? I to this, It's like, is fuck boy? Does that come from skater boy? The spelling? I always thought it was a big boy from cast Ooh, that's true. He was befitted precede her. Hmmm, I'm back baby. Around this time, Oh g Martha Stewart went to jail, didn't rat on anyone, became best friends with Snoop because of it. What a stud that was? That was insane. Martha Stewart's in jail. She was on everything on every you know, egg beater to breadmaker to recipe to probably cooking great meals in the pen. I bet she made some damn good prison wine. I bet you she was like a cool inmate. I bet, like you know what I mean, like she was. I bet you she A lot of people came to her for things. No one wants to beat up Martha Stewart. I don't want to be friend Martha Stewart. I bet you she was probably she could probably make an insane shank. She's also still kind of hot. Have you seen her recently? I saw seventy five and still kind of hot. Am I wrong? She looked she aged well, very well. Now your type, I thought she No. One just goes along with me. Everyone's just like you're a perv. Oh, I like it eighty one, you're into eighty one? Would you still hit a jack? Hell? Yeah, dude, Hey man, if there's grass in the fields, that's that's what we're calling this episode. Geez damn dude, Martha Stewart goes to jail, Friends and sex in the city end. Terrible month for white people, just a tough time all around. Facebook was founded. Damn. That's that's I remember. That's like because I was in the Bay Area and we all had the MySpace, and like Harvard had the Facebook, and then it went to Stanford and then by that time, like you had to be in college to get it, like you had to have the edu email to get the whatever to be able to have a membership. Holy shit, what a dumb business model. I know. I mean, it worked out, but I'm just saying at the time it only worked. They changed it, but it was it was because it was cool, as justin Timberlake would say in the social network, you know, it's you got to keep it cool. Didn't he say that something like that? Loved it? Ben Afflac and j Lo ended their engagement. Wow, but they're back. Just hit the Taliban. They are back? Is the Taliban back? They're back? Dude? When did it are they? There? Is there reports? Jack? Let me look into that real quick. I don't want to end up on a watch list. But isn't it called like Ben ben Low or what was it? Benefit? Benefer benefit? So they that was like the start of every couple doing like a one name thing. That's right, that's like, I'm so benefer. I was like, yeah it was, I had a couple. Yeah what was it? No, I don't remember, but I don't want to. You want to throw names. I don't thrown names out there. Yeah, Ben Affleck and Jalo that was And this was Look, this is pure Boston. A lot of this is pure Boss and Facebook Affleck. Ashley Simpson was caught lip syncing on SNL and uh, yeah, that was she did not come back from that, I don't think. And also, by the way, was that the end because of this? No, I mean I think I don't think she had a ton of juice. I think SNL was kind of like she was one of the sheep who was excited for musical guest Ashley Simpson. They got like Paul McCartney on SNL. Yeah, but they always had new like they had new people. But was she anyone that now we're excited for. Yeah, she was the young one, right, she's young, She's not a She was like the more like kind of outrageous Jessica Simpson. I think, yeah. But she had a good song that was like the I think it was like the start for like one of those The Hills or one of those shows. I think. So she had she had one song. I was Ashley Simpson fan. This was right around like the Newlywed time. Also, huh remember Newlyweds was on MTV with n oh yeah, yeah, kind of a Simpson era there. It was a Simpson era. I want to take this one, say, oh the goat Rodney Dangerfield passed away. We threw the word the goat around a lot. But I mean Rodney was the greatest back to school still probably my number one comedy ever. I'll tell you, good Teacher really seems to good. I mean classic. I love Rodney. ODB died too. I mean talk about a warm up for I like it, old baby, I like it raw. Wu Tang rules love Wu Tang. And he did like it raw for sure. He's got like thirteen kids, right, Wu Tang is for the children. Yeah. MLB in two thousand and four, the best records were the Yankees at one oh one and sixty one and the Cardinals one oh five and fifty seven. MVPs were Vlad Guerrero and old Barry Bonds. This was a great baseball. This was baseball the best. Vlad Guerrero was awesome, Lad was good, Bonds was good. Yeah. Clemmons was the young winner in Houston. Johann Santana Minnesota was another cy young winner. I love that. Johann Santana and Pedro were both like top of the game right here, and then they both become Mets as they were like slightly washed. Yeah you know, well Santana wasn't like washed immediately, but he was. He was getting there. Yeah, I don't I don't know, I don't gotta I gotta see Santana. I forgot. He was nasty. Yeah, he had like a two era. He was like a lefty who just would overpower you. He was. He was a killer and me see, oh yeah there he is. But yeah, Randy Johnson. I loved Randy Johnson. Was he on the he was on the diningbacks at this time, seventeenth perfect game in MLB history. Yeah, he was always fun to watch him. Oh this was I mean, this was probably my favorite baseball era. I mean, Ken Griffey hits his five hundred home run each Euro broke the single season hits record. Who didn't love Echiro at two sixty two? I mean the fact that eachro started in MLB at like twenty eight and still hit three thousand hits is the most insane I think. I think he played until like fifty Yeah, just retired. But he was like already a Hall of Fame guy in Japan. I mean he was apparently pictures of his dick in Japan go for insane money. Really, that could be a good buddy comedy for us to explore. Were just two dudes trying to snap a picture of each Ro's dick. Why, like one of our moms gets sick and we're like, we need money, and then we try to get a picture. I've never heard that. Look it up, Jack, Maybe I made that up. If I made that up, I'm gonna this could be like a real Sam Creeper episode. I'm worried and Martha Stewart and the Echiro Penis comment it's all right, But this was the year of the walk off. Eighty walk off Homer's dingers in the regular season all time high at this point. Hmm, oh, Sam, Yeah, I'm gonna save you here. There's according to Paul Laduka fairly reasonable source, there was a million dollar bounty to recover the picture of each Ro's penis. What I tell you, a million dollar bounty, A million dollar dong right there. They should. I feel like we can come up with like a script, like a National Treasure script, you know what I mean. We gotta go, like, go hunt this thing down, go to a couple. It'd be fun. It'd be a fun one. In Japan, National Treasure meets Japan meets Each Hero's Dick. So that's what you say, the pitch meeting. That's this is basically national treasure. With each hero who everyone loves, you'll get a lot of people in Japan. And then and it ends with us like handing him an envelope and he's like, thank you, and we'll give Nick Cage. He's he's loosely affiliated. He's I think he's the lead. He's gotta be Nick Cage. So have you seen the movie Pig with Nicholas Cage? I tried to watch. It was did you watch this new one? His new one? It was pretty funny. I watched on a plane. Yeah, me too. Plane movie. I didn't get through it all, but I was like, it's still pretty entertaining. That's like, that's a tough review. I couldn't finish it. I fell asleep. I was on a plane. I sleep on the plane. Dude, Yeah, I can't sleep on planes. That's where I get. It's like, my I love sleeping on a plane because it back in when I was playing, you'd be preparing all week and some of your only downtime was when you were flying, and as soon as I get in the plane, I would just knock out, who do you sit next to? On the planes I have, we'd have our own rows. But Matthew Slater would be in front of me, Dolo would be behind me, Brandon Bolden would be two behind me. Gronk would have the middle section right to the right of me. Uh, that's fun? Was it hard? Is the energy? Like? Do they fuck with you every when you're trying to sleep anything? No, not pregame, pre game. You know, everyone's pretty focused after you know, a big win or something, that's when the Shenanigans start going. Was Gronk tea bagging postgame? No, Gronk Gronk was actually he was. He wasn't. He wasn't tea bagging. There'd be other guys that were messing around, but Gronk was always like like, just yeah, let's go to this. Yeah, we gotta win. Get get back man, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, I love it. It was Those were some of the funnest times. But let's talk about this match or go back up. What were we doing in two thousand and four? I was at Game seven. Unfortunately a friend somehow got tickets. He took me. I wasn't confident. I didn't want to go to the game. I think Kevin Brown started. I had no confidence in Kevin Brown. He was like, I'm pretty sure he got injured opening a DVD. At one point, I was like, this guy's prime is way past him, didn't Johnny Damon hit a grand Salami? Yeah? That was pretty much like. And then Damon became a Yankee. Yeah, I know didn't wasn't as cool when he shaved. I will say Damon was a good player. Oh my god. He was so like he was such a pure baseball guy. He was so patient at the plate. He was he was incredible. You needed a double for this, he was gonna get you a double. It seemed like he always hit the gaps. He always got that double opo or something. And he the kickswing too, which I love. Yeah. Yeah, he was a I loved him. I loved him, but he just looked a little weird without the beard. Did he win one with you guys? Yeah? One one? I think with us? Didn't he didn't he take one with us? Let me take it. I think he was like the first to have like a Boston Red Sox and Yankees. I remember that, like Sports Center. We would watch Sports Center this time like it was all the time, and I remember they talking about that. I remember the Yankees then paid Jacoby Elsbury to big money and that did not work out at another Red Sox, it worked out for him. Yeah, I wish he won nine with the Yankees. Nine. You guys seen him lately. He's on below Deck like three different times. He's what he's a guest on below Deck? His fame on Bravo. H I'm going to miss below We're supposed to know what below deck on Bravo as you look at us. Yes, I like a couple of Bravos. I thought this was a podcast. I like Bravo. What are your shows on Bravo? Isn't it? What is that? Uh? There's the model one on there? America's wasn't that on there? And then I used to like the little Uh wasn't there a little people on there? What is it? A little People? Big World? Yeah? Yeah, that was TLC. That was TLC. What else is there? No, it wasn't Summerhouse. There's been a couple Bravos. My mom watches it a lot, So whenever I'm with her, I'll tell ange next time I see her. Thanks fact, well, Johnny David, I will. Yeah, let's talk about this matchup ninety six and eighty four, The Red Sox Coach by Terry Frank. They were underdog and it was his first year and the GM was a young boy genius named theo Epstein. Moneyball, Moneyball fucking Rules. That's a great movie. That's a great movie. Too bad. Theo Epstein looks nothing like Brad Pitt. Yeah, it is too bad, you know what I mean. It's just the most handsome guy in the world as this this manager. But you know what, he was that cool that they got Brad Pitt to play him. So if anything, No, that's right. He was Billy Bean and we dumb as shit. Why do we both think that? Yeah, Billy Bean was a pretty hot guy, right, but he Billy being turned down the big money and then they got Epstein. That's right. Wow, we really got factual. Yeah we got Cachi there, dude, I really just rolled with what you said there. Yeah, sorry, no, I mean I I was with it. Billy Bean. Billy Bean was a hot piece, wasn't he? Yeah? Would you jack? Yeah, boy genius. They had Manuel Miers who was an all star, Kurt Schilling who was an all star, David Ortiz, all thet St Pedro, Johnny Damon, Veritech, Hap Kevin Malar, Timmy Wakefield with the knuckler. This was a good team. Yeah yeah this no more battled an achilles injury all year, kat thematic games and the deadline. He was traded to the Cubs. Hurt. I remember that deal, dude. He was mister Boston, mister you know my he no ma, I mean that was he was that he was there. And it was like weird too, because I remember when he came into the league. It was like Jeter, a Rod and Nomar, those were like the guys. They all him in the same year. They were all shortstops. They were all stars. It was this crazy era. And then no Mark a Rod joins, Jeter goes to third base and no Mar's gone, So it was they could all been in this game. Miguel Tata was in that era too. He was excellenta he was great. Yeah. Road the World Series for the Red Sox. They swept the Angel Yankees Yankees. Oh no, that's the sorry the Red Sox, you're right, Wait a minute, Yeah, they swept the Angels. They beat the Yankees four three, and they and then they left the car. It was it a walk up then. I then earlier in the episode, was that I messed up? Then? I thought there was a Game seven between the Twins or was that the year before the year before? Oh, that's what it was. Ortiz on that one. Yeah, he hit a dinger against the Twins. Fully messed this up. Well we're calling ourselves on it though, and that's what it's all about, man. Yeah, I mean we lost to the I think ortizes walk off was against the Oakland A's n O three Alds. Then we ended up losing. We the Red Sox ended up losing to the Yankees in the ALCS Yankees. Was that the Don walk off? Yeah, boom, Gerrit Grady little leaving Peederumn. You know, uh, I will say they sweep the Angels, they'd beat the Yankees four three, and they sweeped the Cardinals like this was the World Series, like you just knew it in the moment. Even for the Boston people, that was the World Series just to you know, overcome the Yankees, who have their number for probably twenty five years and not even including the Curse of the Great Bambino. It seemed like, you know, the Yankees were knocking them out every year. It was pretty cool. Hell Off and the Yankees knocked them out. But hey, man, I remember when they lost. I was kind of you saw the faces in the stadium and you saw these old people who were sharing that with their kids, and I was like, man, that is the cool thing about sports. You know, even as a Yankees fan, I could appreciate that. You know, did you stay the whole game in Game seven? Yeah? I think I think you had. Maybe I walked. I don't know. It was a blowout. Blowout eight too, I believe, Yeah, I think you just always believe in the playoffs. I just can't. I can't bring myself to leave a playoff game early. I just can't. I mean that was twenty years ago. Twenty yeah, twenty years ago now, I mean nowadays fans are out. Yeah, I don't think see Chuck induces. Yeah, I think I kept thinking, like, man, how funny would it be if they blew it? After all this? But wasn't that funny? Kevin Brown really bitched out that. I remember being like Kevin Brown, his prime was unhittable, and then we get him and he just was always hurt. I felt like, yeah, the whole cowboy up was the rallying cry for the Red Sox started by Kevin Miller in the Clubhouse a ton of characters. Johnny Damon and Kevin Miller dubbed his the Idiots, pretty good nickname. They took shots at I'm a wanna mamajana? What is that drum? They took shots of it. It sounds like performance enhancing drugs, and it sounds like the series shouldn't count this. A little bit of alcohol can sway a series. Grandpa's old cop medicine ain't on the list. Buddy and Pedro brought Dominican actor and the little person Nelson de la Rossa into the series. Brought Look at that he stood two foot four inches. I think I remember this too, Hosbula before Hosblo Damn Like how tiny he is? Look at padro Se, what a what an outstanding you know? Samaritan Yankees were one oh one and uh sixty one first in the Al East, managed by the great Great Joe Tory, who you always respect. Joe Tory. You got to you captain. You gotta tip your captain, pure class and uh we had a Rod who was an all star Jeter, All Star, Mariano, all Star, Gary Sheffield, that all star, uh Giambi All Star. Was Sheffield before Mariners or he was on the Marlin Marlin? Who was he before the before the Yankees? Though? Was it just Marlins? He won? Was Tigers after Tiger's after I believe because I used to like Chef. He was always a super He's on the Braves, the Braves, he was great. We also had Bernie on this team. Mike Mussina, Uh wow. We also had Matt Sue was an All Star this year, Tom Gordon All Star, the Great Jorge Posada, Javiovaskaz. Oh yeah, Kenny Lofton, whose son is in the NBA right now. Wow, And he's like kind of a thick kid. It's pretty funny. He does not look like you think Lofton was a speed demon. Hey, this crazy thing is you never know what you're gonna poop out because Jackie Slater Hall of Fame right tackle is the father of the one of the fans guys in the NFL, Matthew Slater for a long time. Is crazy. You never know what you're gonna be for now, Wait, you don't Kenneth Lofton Junior, the guy from Louisiana too, Yeah, not related, really, I don't think so. Fuck we got a double check, but I don't think so. Man, we are throwing some bad passes today that you were somehow catching six six seventy five. Kenneth Lofton's that heavy heavy said, boy, did you not? Did you not talk about the stopper, the closer, Mariano Rivera, the greatest closer of all time? Really, he lights out saves. We had a play named after him, did you yeah? Stop stop her? Why shoot? Damn a Boston team with a name after Marianna. I mean, you got tip your hat to the goats. I respected Boston fans a lot the way they did the farewell to Mariano and Jeter. I thought he showed a lot of class, and I was I was surprised. You know, we got a classy group of people out there. You know, game knows game, game respects game. I loved Mariano, he was. I mean when he would come in, you just were like, it's over. And that's why him blowing this hurts. I mean, he's such a he's such a lovable guy too. Oh yeah, I mean didn't really blow this. I mean he pitched three. We got to get him on here because we we we've done some cross stuff. Really you know him, Yeah, we know him. What did we do? We did something. I've done a couple of things with them, and he's always been just an outstanding gentleman, a professional, just a professional. He also is a sweet signature. Pull up Mariano's signature. It looks so like detailed. You know how hard that is though, you have to you know, your signature when you get in the league is like beautiful this, But then when you start selling these things, that's an unbelievable, unreal signature, you know. I mean he probably had to do that. He's probably signing that a million times every time like this, So after like you know, you start signing a bunch of stuff, you gotta he gotta modify. He was He was one of the coolest New York athletes of all time. Like we we love him forever. Marianno, he was just you know, he was everything. He was the best closer that cut fastball so hard to no one could hit it, and you knew he was coming in. You knew it was a save. They beat the Twins. The Yankees did in three to one of the lds. They Yankees owned the Twins during this time. They picked a finish first in al You kind of liked The Twins though, because that one kid's movie when the kid becomes a manager, not Rookie of the Year. That was the Cubs. Which one was a Little big League? Little big League? I don't think I saw that one. It's a great one. I remember that it was a Twins in Major League. Back to the Miners the third installment with Scott Bakula and Walton Goggins. Man, I've seen some shitty movies. Guy. Oh, Dennis Farina was in Little big League? Whoa clasp? Chicago Legend? Get Shorty Midnight Run? Come on? All right? The Yankees or the narrative? Okay, they were coming out of a loss of the World Series that last season. They lost the Marlins. The Yankees? Did we lost the Marlins? Did we really? I think the Marlins won the World Series against the Indians? Did they really? They won? Two? Marlin Sneaky Sneaky, Marlin's Man, shout out a guy who's a big fan over there. I don't remember. This is marlins Man podcast. He's worth having on. He's seen some games. Huh. You think Marlin's Man's worth having on? He's seen a lot of games. Marlin's man is you know, we'll have to talk it over the you know, in the the board meeting room. But yeah, you know, so many people trying to come on this soup can just throw, you know, Marlin's man. I love Marlins Man, but I got to see if Sam likes him. He's probably got some shit against him because he I hate beat his Yankees. Fuck that guy, dude, Fuck Marlins Man. Dude, I heard it here first. No, it's probably all right. I'm just pissed this so Yankees Red Sox rivalry. He actually hates Derek Jeter, really, yeah, because Derek Jeter was the owner of the Marlins for a while, right, yeah, and he funcksh it up. I don't think Marlins blow it up every it's they always have something and then just collapse it. But it all began when the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees in nineteen nineteen. That's the Curse of the Bambino. Since then, the Red Sox pretty much played second fiddled in New York. The bad blood was always there, given the proximity and being in the same division. Thurman Munson and Carl Carlton Fisk. The fight and the feud and the seventies they were they were the two catchers, right. I mean it was like Fisk was always a little more talented, but Thurman Munson was the fucking he was a captain. Baby that mustache kind of like Veritech loved it. Heat it up in the late seventies, the Bucky Dent game, which yeah, a painful memory for a lot of Red Sox things. Effing Dent lolled a bit in the eighties because both teams kind of sucked. I guess the Red Sox made those series that one year, but they got sucked over by the Mets. That was the Bay Areas time, Baby, wasn't it Battle of the Bay. That's when the That's when the Bash Bros and shit, the A's were going crazy. Oh yeah, Canseikah maguire heated up in the late nineties in the early two thousands with guys like Jeter and Pedro. By two three, the bad blood was fully back. We talked about the Don Zimmer attack. It was terrible self defense. He was charging them an attack that rivals Pearl Harbor self in its cowardice self defense. The Yankees would once again break the socks heart in seven games for a flip for a trip to the World Series. And this was I mean, look, this was we talked about it. It was kind of just it was their time down three to zero, to come back in extra innings to stay alive. And then when the next three as well. You gotta tip your hat to the Red Sox, you do. And even a Rod, who is terrible this postseason, I believe it a two run shot in this game. We had shit firing. That's remember when a Rod came and then you guys didn't win it for until like two thousand and nine, and it it was like, it's because of a Rod. Fuck. Oh, he doesn't get that. Pitt Stipes. No, he's not a Bronx bomber. He was. Admittedly that was a tough New York impression. That does sound like us. I mean, he was, you know, incredible in the regular season, and he admittedly he admits it. He disappeared every postseason until the year they won it, where he was Unreo and Matsui of course went off in that World Series, but uh ye had a Rod admits it, Man, he wasn't good enough in the postseason. Yeah, I just remember, I'm not talking I'm just I'm just talking with I, you know, from an outsider of you know, Yankee Nation. What do you guys call it? Is it like Yankee World? Yankee? I don't know the Yankee Yankee fans, yeah, outside the Yankees fans. I just remember always hearing the Yankees fans saying, this guy's ruining our Mojoe. He's no Jeter. He didn't make it easy on himself. I remember when he fucked Madonna and all the Red Sox fans just had the Madonna mass. I'm like, you can't tee it up like that, you know, but it is pretty impressive that he's fucking pop legends and hitting fifty homers a year, I know in the postseason, but he did eventually. Guy lives has had a good life. He's had a great life. We love a Rod in New York. Now. I think he really, you know, he went through a lot. The starting pitchers of this game were Orlando El Duque, Hernandez, one of those Cuban pitchers paid for the Imperiales in Cuba. His brother his brothers were a great pitcher Levon for the Marlins, and he was one of those Cuban guys where were like, I don't know if this guy's twenty two or ninety seven, Like you did not know his real age. It was like. And then Derek Low for the Red Sox, who was he was great for you guys, you know, did very well, did very well. Keep it going, Sam, this is you, this is the Red Sox answered with a three run fifth inning to take the lead. The Yankees retook the lead for three and the sixth. I thought, that's when I thought it was over because we brought in, you know, Mariano. Gotta believe. Then in the ninth, this is the play that really won it. Dave Roberts safe by an eyelash, stealing second pisada with a good throw but just barely not in time. Was that a pay? That was a pinch run? Right? That was great by Terry francona, Hey, that's good, that's good managing. Knocked home on a Bill Miller single game winn an extra innings, big Poppy. It's a two run walk off in the bottom of the twelve. It was pure body. Fuck with Boston, that's what he said. Don't fuck with Boston. This is our fucking city, this all fucking city. That was a cool moment too. Look, he was bigger than just an athlete in Boston. He was a He was a Boston leg still is final score six to four Boston and they won the series, as we all know. The gaming corner presented by win Bet, the prop bet. I wonder if I can get Ortiz to admit that Pedro shoving Zimmer was an active cowardice. If we can get him to admit that that's then is that is that? Do it? Eah? You know? Yeah? But this is this is a bet on me versus Sam. This isn't a prop bet because I'll try to say that it was like self defense. Yeah, and whoever he agrees with this is a good bet. This is both. This is this is he's like the judge and we're, you know, plaintiff defendant. All right, I have objected your unner. Before we hear from David Ortiz, let's take a quick break. We gotta thank you for joining games with names presented by wim bet, and we get we gotta we gotta give you your flowers. He's number thirty four, but he's number one. Huh. I'm always given you flowers, Big Poppy, ten time All Stars, seven time Silver slugger Boston icon, three time World Series champion. This was the first one we're covering today. Mister Clutch, one of the most clutch athletes. It pained me how clutch he was. You knew he if he was coming up, if he was coming up in the in the playoffs, I was like, fuck, you see him on deck and you'd just be like, oh, big Poppies come. His stats in the ALCS thirty one at bats, twelve hits, three dingers, eleven RBIs, a point forced four five seven on base percentage and a three eighty seven average. Just smoked the Yankees for one of the most iconic comebacks. From one comeback guy to another, Thank you once again, Big Poppy, my older brother for joining us here. Man, you got to take us back to two thousand and four going into this series. What was what was Big Poppy all about two thousand and four? Man? First, first of all, you know I'm a big fan of yours brother. You know that you you made me happy so many times I had to see you running the balls. Man, I was like, this motherfucker must be the guy the biggest ball on earth, because he ain't that bacon. He run through everybody like his king coming. Like I say, like, like, I always admire you because you left your haller and soul on that field. And for us Patrio fans man, that means a lie. And based on what you just told me, I feel you. I feel you because I feel the exactly the same way about yourself. And and going back to the two thousand and four UH playoff and worst series, you know, like I'm working for Fox now and I'm in the playoffs and stuff like that, and like I've been doing that for years, but I got excited twice while I've been working on TV. And it was once what was uh? Once? And how bad that he have a couple of years ago in the World Series against Uh, just my boy, Justin Berlander, and he justter Bentland to throw high fastball and he was you see how they put the square on the strike song during the game, the ball was about an inch above the strike song and the Empire one ball, and I saw one sort of John Ass basically telling the catcher bring it down a little, and I show you it's a strider or up, same pitch an inch down. He hit the ball to the back wall. Like over all the fans and I was like, damn, that's some gangster ship. And then the other day my boy Brice Harper hitting the home run against San Diego just to finish them, that was some gangster ship too. So what I'm trying to tell you is you don't leave that memory, those memories so much nowadays for many reasons, but one or then I don't think. I think there's the talents, is there. There's a lot of youngs that in the game right now with incredible talent play. They haven't burned rods yet. They haven't burned bridges yet. For you to get to be at that level, you have to burn bridges. You have to have a spirit, you have to know, like in my days, to play in the Big league, there's no way you can stay in the Big leagu hitting two hundreds, No fucking way. I gotta ask you, know everything is uh huh, I'm sorry. I was gonna ask him when you talk about like burning bridges and like kind of finding yourself, did you is there something that maybe you learned playing in Minnesota that you took with you to Boston. Oh? Man, I learned verty much everything over there, like I mean, and it probably was the best thing that happened to me because I always had the talent to hit. You know, the thing is that I was in the wrong crowd since like because when I first got to Minnesota, they basically want me to be a punching juty. To be honest with you, they they the way they teach, they want to teach me how to do things. It wasn't it wasn't lined up with the thing that I was capable of. Like I was coming through the minor league hitting Teddy bombs, hitting over power, hitting over three hundred, getting all console RBIs, and like I like in the minor league. If you look at my number in the minor league, I show what my career was gonna be like. And then I get to Minnesota and everything kind of changed to want me to hat the ball up the field, you know, And there's nothing wrong with that. He just you know, I'm a power hitter. You need to give me the freedom to swim, because that's what they do with kids nowaday. And it's not like I totally agree with the way they they do kids nowaday, because they basically want to tell them that they're striking ours. It's not such a thing. And to me, when you strike out an underd time, you're not helping me. That's the way I was teaching. You eat forty homers, you strike out two hundred time, you missed at least an under opportunity to hung me out. Not everyone's big Poppy. Not everyone's big Poppy. Not everyone can just go up there and fucking hit home runs. All right, that's what the world needs to know. Okay, Not everyone just hits dingers and fucking walk offs like Poppy. There needs to be some doubles. There need to be some singles. Okay, you know what I'm saying. I mean and even myself that he over found Romas in the big league. Very few time I went to the play, hid in the home hitting. Very few times. I went to the play thinking about hitting a home run, and he happened very few time. Hey, you're preaching the choir. I want to tell you, is I used to just Hey, I was like a doubles guy. I just converted third downs. Okay, the homers were grounk. Grounk hit the homers in the red area. He's getting the touchdowns. I'm getting that. Yes, Now you have to punching Judy Goling through your Homer. That's what they get to be ditched. So he got a little complicated some time when he cleans down to it. That's why you're gonna see so many strike out. That's why you're gonna see so many low biting average. It's crazy, David, It's crazy. David. I got to ask you how strong was the hatred between the Yankees and the Red Sox. Do you think about, you know, the July two thousand and four a Rod and veritec brawl. You think about the Pedro throwing Don Zimmer to the ground, which you know many have called an active cowardice self defense. The guy was going in the lions. Then you can't come in the lions then not expect, not get big. What do you think about that? Even even uh mister simmer Man, Riss and peas, all right, that was one of my guys. He know that he make a mistake doing that. Yeah, apologized afterward later on. You know, I would argue that Pedro made the mistake. That was an old man he threw Hey. No, but you know what though, it doesn't murtter all you are. You don't cross the line, brother, don't cross the line. You don't cross the line. Don't cross the line, you know, and you don't cross the firewars going on. Don't light another one, do not. He's not gonna end up being good. Did you guys hate each other? You and the Yankees? Did you like? Did you hate each other this time? No? No, no, you know better. Fact in my era was when everything comes down to be what it is nowadays, you don't see that many braw you don't see that many fight I was. I basically start that up because my game wasn't about hitting anyone. My hand was about beating you. I don't fucking play for the I don't work for the w w F to be fucking swinging out people out there and fucking doing it. No, no, no, no, no no, that's not baseball, not baseball. You don't. You don't saying the right message when you do that to the kids watching. In football, yeah, you woo pass and you get us bat. That's the game. It's contact, it's aggressive. That's part of football. W w F. Yes, that's But in baseball is who is better than who you known? I'm saying all game come down to it. But in baseball, the contact part of it's very limited. And and and now all this rule and stuff, you know, because you don't wanna, you don't want to get into a bra all of a sudden, a guy making ten million missed three months bay is getting injury because of it. You know that our salary, our contract is guaranteed, but we have an insurance company right behind it. So if a guy get injured because of a fight, the insurance company had to take over the contract. And the insurance company don't like that because we ain't at to fight. We are there to play the game that way it's supposed to be exactly, I guess the insurance company and I emphasized a lot on MV on that on having all this rule. Even when they throw to preach and preach close to you, nowadays you get a warning for that. Softened up. It's definitely it's it's softened up, big poppy. But let's it's more of a it's more of a company. I mean, I know, I know they are cross the line. And some of the things may basically changing the nature of the game, like the sliding thing a second base, just because what happened with Chasetly a couple of years ago. This and that you know. I know that was daddy, and there's a better way. Wait. Breaking over plak to me is part of the nature of the game. Taking out the home player, bust your posey, knocking the guy our homeplay cold, that's part of the game. I love that I did not know this, thatcher's no catchers know that that is coming. I did not know this was an insurance issue. Though. That's such a bummer for fans to hear when you're like get him and they're like, no, no, no, we got an insurance company, my pullet. We're not saying listen, let me clify this. I'm not saying that they are changing everything because of it, but I think in my mind may think it in my own bubble, I think that that has on how to do with Definitely, I bet it does. Let's big poppy. I'm not saying that that I'm an hundred percent sure that's what it is, But me and my own bubble, I think that that's something I had to do with because it don't make no sense. It don't make no sense that if I'm met at you, I can go out and meet you in the hand, meet you to hey, eat you whatever I feel like it because of my emotion that I'm going through you going to the DL and it's okay, not okay, No, it's not you know what I'm saying. So Mob had to, you know, make sure that doesn't happening there, and they're doing a good job based on that. So back in two thousand and three, you lose the Yankees in seven. There's been the curse of the Great Dambino ever since god knows when thirteen or whateverteen nineteen nineteen, right after the Titanic sunk and going into this league, you guys, it's Francona's first year. You got a fucking clubhouse full of personalities. What made you guys vibe and fucking believe in each other to go out and think this is gonna be the team after being down three to zero, to go in and fucking come back and win the series? What makes you? What was that? Man? Remember, I got a whole bunch of idiots out there that we don't even He was it was no fear. He was like, hey, listen, just I mean, we heat bottom, there's only one way to go back up. You know what I'm saying. Let's say that goes like, hey, it doesn't matter how many times they knock you down. What is important how many times you know how to get up. He worked perfectly for us at the time because that's exactly what we do. That's exactly what we did back then. I mean, the Yankees have a fucking h They're having a squad that It was like, like, I don't I don't think I was seeing moving forward a team like the Yankee as that those those couple of years, like they was bombered, like they was really bumbered, like like it was scary, Like I remember this one game that it goes through the game that we lost that that it was like fireworks like they they he looked like, I mean they never got to first, but it was second third and home, second third and home like like they have they have a team that wow, and uh we were able to bounce back. I mean it was it was we have high confidence level, but we also have good chemistry. We also have good things going on in the clothouse. We have players like her chilling white soul, get him a surgery in the training room. I saw that with my own eyes, Like when when I heard people talking about the bloody sauce and I heard what people have to say about it. I left my ass off because I saw the doctor practicing basically just doing a surgery on him in the in the training room. I saw that nobody told me about. I saw my own eyes, and this dude was out there pitching a couple of days later in that rainy, cold weather. I don't know how the hell he did it, but that was the type of thing that it was in the clobhouse the motor Whales to you know, go out there and fucking do it for New England. By we also had the most incredible fan base that basically started building up because after the after the two lessand and three season, the two lessond and forty was basically sold out because we get them hoped, you know what I'm saying. And the fan base, I mean, you know, d you know you know how it's pool is up in New England. I mean, the fan base over there is incredible and that was a big part of the motivation that we had to go out there and whoop that airs. But David, you're saying, Julian knows Julian came into a team like he was in the second half of a New England dynasty. You guys hadn't won since nineteen nineteen, so, you know, base, different sport, different fan base. There was this hunger to win when you're down three to er. Is there a part of you that's like this Yankees offense is stacked, We're fucked. No, or do you believe like we're gonna win this? They're taking the mamajuana shots. They're taking fucking mamajuana shots. That's a good worry even if I tell you that, yes, it's not because we beat your ass. I know the result. I'm saying, how did you feel in game four? History? Like the history is rolled down? The Red Socks in two thousand and four bounced back after the three and all and whoop the Yankees as you know what I'm saying, Like like he was no fear. Yeah, we know we were playing against some bad motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying. But who cares? You already there? What's the worst thing that came out? Can only go up? Can only go up? Were you doing the mama wana shots? Man? I do my wana for breakfast? Take us yo, man, We have we have a we have an incredible team. Man. Really, everybody was just doing something expresial for us to win it, and that's why I end up happening. So Dave Roberts steals. We pinch on him MLR. He gets the hit, hits him in take us back. You guys get into extra innings and in the twelfth Big Poppy comes up. We're not thinking about home runs because Big Poppy don't think about home runs. But Ray, maybe right here, big Poppy is thinking home run because Big Poppy dudes does home runs in these kinds of situations. What was what was the preset mind going into this app bat I'm gonna end it right here, We're gonna fucking get this thing started or what? No? I basically went back to my history against who was the guy it was? It wasn't Gordon, it was after Gordon, whoever was in uh, because I know we're Vera retired to you. I believe on a pop up prior to that, were you were you? Like, thank god, Rivera's out and we're going deeper into the bullpen. No, if you look at my nun but I hate pretty well against Marie. Did you know, like Mariana was not a contrat water back And I'm not going to tell you that I enjoy hit enough when because the only one thing that I like about facing it was that I know that everything was coming hard. You don't say, and I had to make up my mind and I can't like I had no problem hitting faster, you know what I'm saying. But Mariana fast was not that regular fast that you see on the lady basis. It wasn't cut fast cut him fast cutting. So yeah, I mean, you have to face Mariana. What can you do? It was Paul quandtrail was it was po Quantre. Yeah, po Quandra who his son is pitching in the Big League with Cleveland. Now I saw the other the other day and I was very happy about saying that. And uh, but poke one throw he had the front door fastball who he threw it at you and come back into the play and I just realized about it. I mean, like that's what I'm gonna look for, and he threw it to me. But she was a good pitch, Like every everythingle hit her, normally give up on that pitch. But he throw to me so many times that I was like, you know what, I'm gonna stay on and keep my hands close to my body and tried to drive it and boom boom. The rest is history. Geez. And at this point, you know you you win the game at three to one. Did you feel the momentum switched? Was there a moment after this home run where you're like, we're fucking we're taking us now. Yeah, everything and started basically clicking. Was when we went to New York. That was when I tell you, even when we when we went for the third game, I would comfort the level that would high, and I'll tell you what, we won the third game, we feel like we already won it all. And that's exactly what happened. And then it's because it was once you guys beat the Yankees, we don't have to talk about the fucking World The World Series was this match. It was was this was this series? Right? Is that how we felt? It sends like it. It sends like it, and San Louis know it. San Louis know that we was How did the fighter cracker, you know, like they know they know that we're coming in hot. Well, that's it's all about kind of coming together at the right time and winning four straight against the number one team in the al e straight. Because then they went and swept that's right. And you swept the prior series. I believe too. And then you just steamrolled the NL best team, the Cardinals. Uh when you won in Game seven against the Yankees. I was at that game, uh, in the same hat, and you ripped my heart out. David as the Johnny Damon who hit the Grand Slam? I mean, how sweet was that? It was great? Man, I got to give it to you. Man. The Yankee fans are the only fans that come to mer, the only fans out of all the teams. The Yankee fans are the only people that come to me and be like, hey, Poppy, I'm a Yankee fan, but I respect you. Oh, I love you with Poppy Hill. You know people Yankee fans. For all I played, I always respect fans no matter what they were cheering for. You know what I'm saying, Like I used to go to New York and take my time signing or what I have, and it doesn't matter who you were cheering for, you know. And I was doing that by nature. By people talk to me about it like, you know what I alway used to see you. We used to come to New York, take care you time with the fans and this, and I or when we used to come to Boston, and I would respect that, and plus that a lot of people tell me when we used to boo you at New York that was a bad move because you used to use bounce back and whoop our ass. We learned in the hard way. So I noticed at some point during my Korea that the boo wasn't there, no more laid it on. He wasn't the strong the strongest it was at the beginning, and to someone just made that clear for me, and I was like, oh, makes sense. You Big Poppy. You were like, you know, it's it's very similar to how Boston fans feel about Jeter. He's a likable guy. You respect his accolades. And I could honestly say this was before I was even with Boston, and this was like my introduction to Boston, New York that you were. I was on the West Coast. I was a little West Coast kidd, and you fuck I loved Big Poppy just because you were a lovable dude that came up when high pressure situations like that's that's what they was. You know, that's what people will always respect and remember you by now this this game and this series has been documented and and there's been documentaries, fucking books. I mean, we did the research. You could find anything. What tell me something that wasn't documented in all this bullshit? I need to hear something good. Give me something that people don't know about this? You know what the game is? I think pretty much is out there. Everything pretty much is out there. You know. Why go and see Dany the other day. I'm in the hotel, I'm at the end Court and no bullshit, I was. I wasn't. I was in Philadelphia. It was in the Philadelphia Sunday. I can remember. The thing is that I'm coming down an elevator and this guy, this Jackie fan, was talking shit about my boy had a judge. He's talking to another guy an elevator. But it was when Adam and Judge have like seven a strikeout on the road, right, they were doing their share out of him in New York and this and that, And he's talking to this guy. But he know who I am, and he wanted me to hear what he had to say. And this is this is what I told him. I was like, hey, yeah, have you ever taken a minute to picture the Yankees line up? Without Adam Judge next year, and the motherfuckers stay quiet for a minute. And I told him you guys, I said, fans needs to understand that would ever take that field when I get things done. I never got booed a flame Way Park. And that's why I ride and die with those fans. I know not. I know that not everyone bring the same look. You know what I'm saying. By as especially I was and I still be for Boston. I think a guy like Anat Judge, it's at that level. But the minute you see that the guy who loved you're going to bull his ass when you know that he's the best player. Ear I say a lot about you Yankee fans. I'm not doing Aaron Judge. Well, I love Aaron Judge. Whoever these Yankees fans were that that's not that's not what you see on TV. Well, I hear what you're saying. I don't judge the minut he cool love even during the regular season. He get the biggest bull And let me tell you, I said, nathlete, you would take that from the opposition when you go to their play, But when you get that shit at home, brood, I think you're right and all I heard was that Boston legend David Ortiza is the best player in the world. Is Aaron Judge, New York Yankee. That's what I took from that. That's in the world. Yeah, it's him. And but you said, Aaron Judge, we're going to run that. Uh, Aaron Judge is the best player in the world him, they bet Hey, man, oh the why the why? He was hitting for the met next yeater. Maybe don't say that to me, dude, never know Aaron Judge better. But you're right. You make a good point. I think New York fans are very tough, and I think you know, we saw in the nineties Patrick Ewing got booed unfairly. I think I think we got to support our guys. So I'm with you. I think we should be cheering Aaron Judge. We should need to know on what b out of the crowd. You want to be that so you need to know that that's that's that's that's just like Zimmerman. You can't cross the line. You can't cross the line. Bro, you're gonna boo the only guy that you are depending on. I mean, come on, man, come on, man, I'm with you. What was your reaction. No, you guys not stupid New York. But now I never thought it was that much. You're dropping wisdom. Man, You're right, bro, you booing your hero. I'm not I'm booing your hero. Sam. You know you know what I'm talking about, the only one of the stadium. What what was your reaction when No More got traded? He seems like he was needed. Even if that's my boy, thing changed for good. You know, the thing is that you you can't have well he got Remember it was in the middle of the season, and want end up happening. We ended up winning the worst series. He has a distruction, and he was creating a distruction. That's what I think. You know what I'm saying. He was chasing his contract, what I got no problem with. But at the same time, we were trying to win the worst series, you know what I'm saying. And it seems like the thing wasn't comfortable with what was going on. They make them move, and it looked like they were right, don't you think. I mean it looked pretty damn good after you know, going down three of them and coming back. Yeah, it looked good. The results look good. And I'll tell you why they went. They went and get the piece that we really need. A guy who uh basically came in played with different He wasn't a home room heiter boy. He was really good a movie running over and doing his thing, and that help us to win a world series. Look, man, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how good I am. If I don't win, Who cares? You guys are talking to me right now, because I'm a fucking winners. That's a That's why I love you. You're a winner. If you don't fucking win, it doesn't matter. If personal number don't don't matter, personal number don't fucking matter. What matters is win. You're gonna remember every single motherfucker that wasn't the twenty fourteen and seven, thirteen, two and eighteen, Yes, because what gets what happened when we won? Don't one remember the second place? Eada man right there, you know what, you wanna remember him because he will pass and won and he uh you know how many great you know how many great baseball player went through the red socks. I don't nobody remember them because gets what they never wont? Semple is that simple as that. Speaking of winners, I mean Chicken. Speaking of winners, you played alongside another winner, one of the great power hitters of this era, one of the great hitters of this era, Manny Ramirez. Any great Manny stories, anything you learned from him? Oh, I learned a lot of things from Manny. Manny was one of the best hit I ever seen in my life, you know. But money, you know, he got his own way to do things. And that was him, boy, great, great human being, good guy, hard working motherfucker man. Because let me tell you, Manny, I want you to believe that he was lazy, want you to believe that he wasn't into it, But numbers don't lie. What was he What was he doing in the Green Monster all the time. I just always remember he was always exactly what's my guy doing? He was his own He had his own personality. Man, I'm telling you, that was hard. That was hard to fight, That was hard to fight by. That's exactly how he was. And what was Pedro like? No, Pedro was more down here, you know. Pedro. Pedro was more simple when it comes down to personality. But just like having fun. But I thinks both of them alive because I learned, you know, part of myself that I don't know until I start, you know, watching them, watching their work, edict and the way they go by the business. Now, what was the bigger celebration after the LCS or the World Series? The biggest celebration, Uh, after you got past the Yankees because you guys knew you were gonna win against the Carns or no, no, no, no, we don't know we we're gonna win. I mean, it doesn't matter with what I tell you guys right now, you don't know what's gonna happen. Bab with is very unpredictable. Yeah, we went in and we whooped them. Yeah that's fine, But we know we're playing against a great team. No, you got my boy Albert on that team. You got my boy Molina on that team. You have Ah, let's see what else I can't remember for that boat club? Wayne Wright, the nasty breaking ball. I mean, I can't tell you tons of players that we're in the boat club. Uh that made them be who they were, you know what I'm saying. And we don't know. We we know that we play a great series against the Yankees, but we don't know that we're gonna turn down to be like that we just went in, how do how does the fighter cracker? And we swept them back? You know what I mean. Now I'm coming and any crazy, any crazy party stories from when you won. Were doing the warm in the room, You're doing the worm big Bobbies. Yeah, you gotta say, my big old ass doing the warm in the room. I did a few times and they went. There was stops where you got another series to go stop. Now now Boston's title town. And I remember when anytime you guys won, or the Bruins one or the Celtics one, it like motivated us, like we had to pull our end of the string. Did you guys ever feel that with the other teams winning. I gotta say that was the best era or sport in New England those past two decades. And it was because it was because of it. It was because of what you just say, Watching you guys win, watching the Celties win, watching the Bruins win, that was a motivation. Competition, had the really good competition going on in town. The guys did it. Fuck it, let's go at it. You know what I'm saying. I mean being a New England fans of sport those two decade ofy like the best time of all time because he was punching coming out of from every different organization. You know what I'm saying. And the most important thing we support each other. You know what I'm saying. When you guys win, Julie, we used to go there. You guys used to come to us. We used to go to the Southeast. We used to go to the brewin Brewing used to come. It was. It was. It was like a family thing. I used to love us those things. I used to love just having you guys coming over. We're going to you guys. I mean, it was, it was, It was. It was a great, great time, great hitter and the most important thing, it was fun because everybody was winning. It was. I mean, you were such a clutch hitter. Yankees fans hate respected you because you were. You were so good in the postseason. You're great in the regular season too, but not everyone delivers in the postseason. And you did. Who other hitters that you think of is as just postseason monsters. To be honest with you, I had to go to uh. Rice Harper to me is one of the most incredible hero this new hera that I have seen in years, Like why he has showed this playoff. Bro, it is something that it's remarkable. It's something that you don't see every day, especially in this era we're hitting is it's it's so miserable, Like like, I see guy hitting in the Big League and nice sometime tell myself, Man, he's not ready to be at this level. You know what I'm saying, And and and and you see guy like him performing the way he is, it's something that it's a spressure. Bro. All right, big Poppy, I know, I know you got to bounce right now, but your son's about to take VP. Yeah, he's about to do it. Look over there, I was saying, about to start hitting. Tell him, you know, if he wants an the way down here to watch him. If your son wants to play for the Yankees, I'm gonna spread the word. No one's gonna do him. We could use some power in the postseason. So hey, hey, listen, you gotta earn that. It's not just saying that you gotta you gotta earn it, you know. And and that's why I think my boy, Aaron Judge, I earned that. So I want it on the record that we love Aaron Judge. Here we want him to be Yankee. Hey, listen, I got to me. I don't judge. I don't judge once, just one time. It didn't take me long to love him, very like he really will representing that organization. But he's to me representing the Yankees. He's a jitter level personality wise. The guy don't show emotion. The guys is totally dedicated to his career. The guy just want to whoop pass. I mean, it's a great teammate. What don't you want? He just went for the record. What else? I mean? If I keep talking, I won't finish. I mean, the guy have all the all the talent in the world too to be loved, be loved by by his fans. So I just don't think it was right. All right, we'll let you get going, But before you get going, can can we just hear it one more time? It gets me so fired up? What do we say after the Boston bombing? We we what is it? This is our fucking city, This is our fucking body, our freedom, and that that this is our fucking city. It was an epic look, man, New Yorkers were Bostonians that day. We felt it too. That was that was bad as. We love you, man, I appreciate you coming on and I can't wait to I can't wait to see your son. I can't wait to see the jeans get passed down. And he's coming. He's coming. Dude's working extremely hard. I'm very proud of him, you know. I mean he's a good kid. He always listened to what I have to say. He always want to do things based on my opinion. And you know, especially in the rather we are living where the you they feel like they got everything figured out. You know, he he listened. He's a good listener. So I love it and I can't wait for him all the way. You're the man, and I support you all the way, no matter what. Whatever you need, you need anything, you know that, I love it. Thank you for coming on, man, Thank you big Poppy. Hey, I love your brother. Man. Well, the Curse of the Great Bambino it was lifted on it was lifted and you could just instant reaction. Just superstar legend he was. He is Boston Sports Royalty. I mean, you realize you're talking to an all timer for sure. Just everything you know, his setting where he was watching his son here in the baseball is getting dinged in the background. That's just big poppy, you know, And you could totally tell, like you were saying earlier, he's a player bringing in current players. He loves Bryce Harper. He's pissed off about Aaron Judd. It's crazy that this dude is literally in the elevator defending Yankees. That's how much of a baseball head he is. Head. Yeah, so they call him seamhead. But uh, sometimes I'll be on stage at the end of a show in comics Pete crowd members will like scream out comics names that they want me to shoot on. I'm like, I don't, I get it. I get that. It's like kind of a brotherhood. You kind of don't want to do that shit. No, And it's just like you know, for me, any any guy that I competed against, you know now now it's over in between the lines, you hate them, but afterwards it's it's a fraternity of guys that you know, there's no one you still hate. Nah, I don't. I don't really hate anyone. That's good, you know, But it's because you know how hard it is to get to that level, and you know that everyone has a story. Yeah, you know, regardless of what situation you're in as an individual. It takes a lot to get to that situation, to be in those high pressure situations and to deliver in those pressure situations. There's always a winner and there's always a loser. You know, lost a lot of those, and you know, fortunately enough you can win some and and that's just how it is. You respect those. You have an ultimate respect for someone you compete against at the high level, for sure, for sure, especially being in as many big games as you and Poppy were. Poppy man, he's cheez he's got three three three rings. Yeah, three ring club. Well, we got to settle this prop bet. How how do we do? Jack? I know, I know how we did, and I know I lost. I try What can I do? It's two Boston legends teaming up on me. What am I going to do? I went for it, you win for it. I went. I tried to get him to call his World Series buddy a coward. He wouldn't do it. Valiant effort. Yeah, dude, what's the legacy for this game? I mean, it's the first time ever three to zero comeback and is it still the only time ever? Yep? I mean it's crazy. That's that's that's so hard in baseball. Just like he said, baseball happened any Like, after they won this series, they still weren't They didn't think they won everything. You knew, you knew this team was kind of a team of destiny. Maybe they didn't even know at that point because they had the humility, you know, going in against the Cardinals said you have to you have to stay focused. But like as as someone watched them, like they're gonna win at all, I just I felt like they were a team of destiny. There was just so many instances where the Red Sox were that close though, So I'm sure in that locker room there was leaders in there like, hey, guys, we need to shut the fuck up. We need to we need to really focus on this. We can't get this far just to get this far. Yeah, I mean that was always the thing. Playing in the last game of the season, You're always like, we didn't come this far to just get this far. We got to win it. And it was just cool to hear him speak about that and how how they stuck together. And I guess he likes the mama wanna yeah, trying to try it. You want to get mama wan. We got to get some mama wana. Yo. You got any hooks? Really yo? Get her in. He drank it for breakfast, he said, which probably with a cereal that's pretty bad. I She'd asked him, what cereal guy is? I bet your big poppy loves a good bowl of cereal? What's your number one cereal? Like most Underrated or Julian Edelman like every day and a treat? What are your go to every day? When? I like, when you feel like you're gonna be healthy even though it's not healthy. Hunting at cheerios, Yeah, no at all, but they're not as bad as like a fucking Captain Crunch, or if I'm feeling cocoa, eat little cocoa pebbles or or maybe fruity pebble. You know, it depends on what I'm feeling that day. I'm never a one cereal kind of guy. I like multiple and some. Yeah, I do like to mix up. Sometimes I'll put fruity pebbles in Captain Crunch, the regular Captain Crunch without the crunchberries, like a cereal gang bang Dude's I'm here for a gang bang? Yeah, here you are. What's your favorite cereal. I got a lot an underrated one. Crackling oat bran is so underrated. That's a great fuck is that with the people think of stuff with the o's at the stuff in the middle. That's a very good one. It's underrated. It's people think it's a healthy cereal. It's not a healthy cereal. No, it's great marketing. It sounds healthy. Crackling oat bran fucking not healthy. Sugar pops. I love sugar pops. Never got into pops. My dad used to love or smacks. Smacks and pops were like. Never liked either of those. I liked. I was a big fruit loops guy. That was a class that love. I mean the chocolate, the ones you can't go. Reese's Peanut butter Puffs was crack. Remember when that came out. Yeah, that was crack. That was That's not breakfast, that's you know. That's the thing is I I tend to stay away from the puffs and go with more of the pebbles because of the roof of my mouth. The roof can get fucked up. And that's why I love the taste of Florida in September. Am I right? All right? Yeah? Well but you know, you eat some Captain Crunch. I love Captain Crunch and the crunch berries, but then I can't eat for two days. The roof damage is real. It's the same effect as when you take a piping hot bite of pizza and the cheese slides off and you get that little burn. This is the breakfast version of that Captain crunch. And you can't not eat pizza piping hot unless it's refrigerator cold, which I'm fine with it. I'm cool with cold pizza, but I love a hot hotli. Well, yeah, it either has to be burning my mouth or it has to be refrigerator cold for me. I can't do this fucking sind out for three hours thing. Yeah, that's horrible. Lukewarm pizzas, Like, what are we doing? I want a hard stance, definitely all right. So the broke the broken Curse of the Bambino is really the legacy of this game. Boston winning a three to zero comeback. I mean, I hate to say it. There's so many legacies in this game going on. That's why it's starts of legacies. It is one of the most iconic series and games. And it hurts to say this because this is kind of we did the eighteen wins in one Giant loss game, and this is kind of the flip of that where you got to give it up. I mean, this is an incredible you know how I think wins, everyone wins, not everyone lost. New York lost. The New York Boston rivalry that this it just nourishes it. Yeah, you're right, it wasn't a rivalry at this point. It was a rivalry, but Boston had won, hadn't won, and it makes that Boston New York thing like just that much better because, you know, rivalry, both teams have to win. That's why I never really thought that, you know, the New York Jets were rivals because they don't really beat us. But then you go with the Giant. Remember time Mark Sanchez knocks you guys out though, right, if you gotta win a super Bowl to have that, you know, he's also the guy that they hadn't won at this point. So then this game doesn't count either, yeah, because they hadn't won at this point. They hadn't so but afterwards the aftermath, because true, you know, it would have been a rivalry potential for one year if the Jets went on to win one of those Super Bowls. I wish they won one. Just a championships. Well, yeah, this is a classic. They did a thirty for thirty called four Days in October on this. Yeah, I will not be watching, no, be sitting that one out. What's the lasting image for this? It's got to be something Big Poppy related or definitely that. And I I just remember watching Sports Center and you would see all these old Boston people, like I'm talking like eighty year olds, ninety year olds crying. Yeah, you know, people like this was like that was such a huge thing for Boston people. They love they of the Red Sox. It's a beautiful thing to share that with your with your kids, your grandkid. Yeah, you know. There's got to be someone though, who was like on life support in a Red Sox hat, and he died like right before Big Poppy hit this home run anything. Yeah, definitely that's got a sting. It does. But then you know they probably afterwards they they cremated him and then and then they sprinkled them over to Fenway and and he grows as the grass. That's beautiful, you know. So that person who died and didn't get to see it is Fenway Park. Now, that's like that's gonna be like some sad novel. He grows with the Grass, a Boston tale, my dad who passed away just before David Ortiz hit the bomb. What do we forget? Jack? Oh? Not much? Pretty clean episode. Quick pronunciation check Bill Miller's Bill Miller. Kevin, he said, Kevin Miller, Yeah, Miller, Mila, Yeah, you know, it's it's uh, it's It's something I've been dealing with since third grade. It's all right, A little like remember Letterman at the Oscars Oprah I remember that kind of like that. What do you do? I remember he's doing like the oprah Uma Thurman thing. Mallar millh never mind, I don't remember. I don't remember, but Jack, I take your word for it, all right. We also talked Curse of the Bambino, or as some call it, the Curse of the Great Bambino. Great Bambino. Nineteen eighteen, we said, nineteen nineteen A couple of times night. Oh my bad. That was me nineteen eighteen, six years after the Titanic. I don't know why, but I'm obsessed with Titanic. I traded Ruth. Yeah, okay, but the course is at eighteen. Yeah, so adds up. You know you're right, You're spot on with the Titanic. I love, I love it was it April twelve, April fifteenth, I believe because that was my parents. That's my parents' wedding marriage thing. Anniversary, Yeah, the anniversary. We can call this game the A Night to Remember game and under the Titanic. I mean, I don't know. It also reminds Jules is fit. Reminds me of having to get the Great Bambinos baseball back from this Leary, the that you guys lost in Sandlot Leary. Oh that remember he was a dad with the great man being knows baseball. How did I mean, how did Dennis Leary pull off playing an asshole? That must have been really hard, uh performance for him? He's a Boston guy. Oh yeah, he is a Boston guy. He was with the Fire Shows You Rescue Me Already was in that Already Lane. Yeah yeah, I never saw the show. I love Already Lane too. So the naming of the game, the breaking of the curse. The curse is over, sorry, Sam, the Dave Roberts game. That's no no, uh, don't let us win tonight or we're not even gonna say the four days in October because there's a there's a thirty for thirty. This is game's name. It's it's the breaking of the curse because it is in action. It is the breaking of the curse. It's the curse isn't over yet. The curse is over when you beat the cardinals, but it is the process of breaking the curse. Definitely. I'm going with breaking of the curse as well. It's it's the breaking of the curse. Let's score it. Stakes are high. It's one hundred years in the May making almost ninety steaks. Are crazy with the individual game. I mean, this is winner go home, this is this is do or die. This is cornered animal mentality. What are we going? Eight eight eight eight eight eight nine nine to one? All right, fun, we'll go nine star power. I don't know if the stakes are as that high though, because they haven't won in that Yeah. Fuck, you're right, it's an one all right. Star power is high, dude. I mean this is a lot of bit I mean the amount of all stars we listed Hall of Famers. I mean there's like eight Hall of Famers on both teams. I'm sure in the stands you probably had Matt damon the ben word, are the B word? That's Jennifer? Yeah? Are they there? You think? Let me look? But now we should have we should have looked into that. But I mean, I think star power has got to be a nine nine. This is a high it's a high guy gameplay. It was a pretty good game. Unfortunately went to extra innings. There's a walk off, there's a fucking you know, a hit to get it into overtime or extra innings? Are we going like an a niner? God damn, this is gonna be one of our highest Oh the name is high to I hate I hate that this might Dude, is this gonna fucking overtake? Shit? The name is high, the name is like it's probably one of the biggest most are we going nine again on the name god? Nine one? I'm angry? How well this is scoring? Nine oh two five two. That's brutal? I know too. Is that a number one? It is number two behind what eighteen and one? Yeah, yees, can't win them all. We really got to reevaluate these scores. No, we don't. I think it. I think it works properly. I think the system works. I mean, I think those two are prove I mean those are those are those are two big games, and I mean, yeah they are. We're both Boston, New York, so it's appropriate that they're one and two. Hey, super Bowl, you gotta go super Bowl higher than a game four. Yeah, have to. It's one game, one game, bigger city, larger population. What about eighteen and oh and that was when nineteen and oh we stopped history? We per I agree with Sam Jacker Kyler. I agree with Sam, and unfortunately I'm on the short end of this stick. That's damn right. You are follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok at Games with Names, Subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get podcasts, and comment on a game you want us to do, rate and review comments. We want comments. And that's all for this episode of Games with Names, presented by win Bet. Thank you so much for listening, and thank you Big Poppy. 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